Madeleine - can this really be you?

by Ribisl 29.04.12 14:17

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Concerning the child's personality, she is extrovert, very active, talkative, smart and relates to other children with great ease. But she would never go with a stranger.
- Kate McCann in a statement to the Policia Judiciaria 4/5/07
- Gerry McCann in a statement to the Policia Judiciaria 4/5/07

KM: "Well, she's got bags of character, that's for sure. Errm... She's very loving, caring, she's very funny, very chatty, very engaging. Errm... She has her moments, like all children do, errm... but I do think she's pretty special."

GM: "What I'd like to say is that she looks like Kate but she's got a McCann personality and if you've seen the rest of my family..."

KM: "She's loud."

GM: "Yeah, she's loud and she's a real extrovert and, errr... for one so young, errm... she can express herself so well and, you know, she tends to be the ringleader with the younger kids and, errm... and during the holidays she was the oldest of the eight children here and, errrr... and she just loved every minute of it; every waking minute she was having a ball and that is certainly the image that I keep in my head."
- Kate and Gerry McCann, ITV interview, 25 May 2007

"They are quite similar in looks. Kate was a quiet child, never liked to be centre of attention, very very gentle. Madeleine is quite exuberant. She's full of life and probably really relishes being the centre of attention. Lovely little girl, a funny character, too special to just disappear, far too special just not to be with us anymore. But as I say, almost a 'mini Kate' to look at. And Kate feels that way too. 'Mini me' she calls her. She's so close to Madeleine, it's hard to imagine how Kate must be feeling."
- Sue Healy, The Mayo News, 3/7/07

This image is a shadow of Madeleine as her close family evidently remember her to be like and what we see in her earlier photos. Even giving allowance for the trauma she must have suffered being abducted, then having to adapt to her new life amongst strangers (if we adhere to the abduction scenario), I remain unconvinced by the merit of age-progressed photos in general just by seeing how totally different they can look depending on the software used and because it must be nay impossible to incorporate 'personality' with this kind of process.

by **tigger** 29.04.12 14:34

I have little time for these so-called artists. I'd like to see pictures from random children to be age advanced and then compared to the reality. That would be a good test.
This girl's neck, for a start, is far to thick for a child aged nine.

by ufercoffy 29.04.12 15:07

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Here's a gallery of age-progressed Maddie's.

by Guest 29.04.12 15:12

These images resemble each other about as much as most of the photos which are claimed to be genuinely of Madeleine!

The lower one, second from the left, looks like some demented doll.

by jd 29.04.12 15:13

Jean wrote:These images resemble each other about as much as most of the photos which are claimed to be genuinely of Madeleine!

The lower one, second from the left, looks like some demented doll.

I was just about to say this big grin

by Ribisl 29.04.12 15:18

ufercoffy wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

Here's a gallery of age-progressed Maddie's.

Brilliant! clapping

by Ribisl 30.04.12 0:18

Russiandoll wrote in another thread

I meant in my post, that if I were in SY's position where they have to be seen at this point imo to be considering a live child, because there is no evidence otherwise despite the stats, I would have produced a few photos showing same face, different hairstyles and colours...

I agree with you. Why make her look like a school girl next door when England is probably the least likely place for her to be found. Different haircuts, sun tan... Maybe they wanted to contain false sightings within more manageable territory? winkwink

by Ribisl 30.04.12 17:53

tigger wrote in another thread

All they're doing with their age advanced photographs is producing more confusion. But one finds these photographs don't get published quite as often as THE one. That one is the trigger - a masterstroke of marketing - and it looked as much like the real girl as all these others. Why does she have to be 'beautiful' to be saved? Imo she was a lovely little girl, like many other little girls of that age.
But the reason these new editions of Maddie aren't that appealing is that all these pictures miss the impact of the first one. She looks ordinary, and Maddie was beautiful, special and would light up a room with her presence. An ordinary girl doesn't have the same appeal.

followed by russiandoll

yes I was searching for a word for the girl's looks on the photo, which btw I think is the most realistic to date........bland was the word, I just thought of it now after reading your "ordinary".
She needs to be found because she is a child, the marketing of her turns my stomach. Like many little girls of 4 as you say, lovely but in the way a lot are lovely, striking and interesting is the face I would expect as she grew up, but then faces change so much as they develop and even the most stunning adults [I find an awful lot actually ] at one stage, ususally pre or around puberty when things are changing at some pace, go through an ugly duckling phase.
Regardless of that, this girl's face while looking like a real girl in a photo, unlike the others which look like mock-ups, is missing something, it is the overall expression rather than individual features, but maybe that is due to my not being a specialist in how and when faces change throughout childhood. I just would have expected a more striking face, at least one really distinctive feature, whether you accept the coloboma or not, her eyes were and would have been her stand-out feature, shape and colour imo

by russiandoll 30.04.12 18:03

Jean wrote:These images resemble each other about as much as most of the photos which are claimed to be genuinely of Madeleine!

The lower one, second from the left, looks like some demented doll.

a bit like your avatar then. big grin

by **tigger** 30.04.12 18:07

KM: "Well, she's got bags of character, that's for sure. Errm... She's very loving, caring, she's very funny, very chatty, very engaging. Errm... She has her moments, like all children do, errm... but I do think she's pretty special."

She very loving - loved doesn't come into it very often. Photographs of Mum hugging Maddie, or with Maddie on her knees, or for goodness sake doing anything with Maddie, are practically non existent. If Maddie was 'very loving' how was that expressed? Hugging Mummy?
If someone asked me to talk about my daughter, I'd say: I love her to bits, she's so naughty sometimes but she can talk your head off and she can be so funny and she loves big hugs, she's such an affectionate child. Then I'd go on about the games we play and her on her tricycle and so on. In short, I'd bore the pants of people.

-but I do think she's pretty special. - Is a conditional response, it is in fact saying she has qualities a,b and c. But she's difficult too - like other children - which count against her - but despite that she is special. It's not an unconditional statement of maternal love.

It's the sort of response one can expect from someone who had an idealised image of children. Maddie is special, but she's not like the brochure, as it were.

by Ribisl 30.04.12 18:12

Yes, there is definitely a case of role reversal here. It's the mother that loves and cares for her infant child, not the other way round.

by Shibboleth 01.05.12 22:19

ufercoffy wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

Here's a gallery of age-progressed Maddie's.

Also this one which had the approval of Kate.

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by friedtomatoes 01.05.12 22:21

Shibboleth wrote:
ufercoffy wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

Here's a gallery of age-progressed Maddie's.

Also this one which had the approval of Kate.

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vomit

by Guest 01.05.12 23:19

Are you being serious, Shibboleth? When was this hideous image produced?

by friedtomatoes 01.05.12 23:23

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Concerning the child's personality, she is extrovert, very active, talkative, smart and relates to other children with great ease. But she would never go with a stranger.
- Kate McCann in a statement to the Policia Judiciaria 4/5/07
- Gerry McCann in a statement to the Policia Judiciaria 4/5/07

KM: "Well, she's got bags of character, that's for sure. Errm... She's very loving, caring, she's very funny, very chatty, very engaging. Errm... She has her moments, like all children do, errm... but I do think she's pretty special."

GM: "What I'd like to say is that she looks like Kate but she's got a McCann personality and if you've seen the rest of my family..."

KM: "She's loud."

GM: "Yeah, she's loud and she's a real extrovert and, errr... for one so young, errm... she can express herself so well and, you know, she tends to be the ringleader with the younger kids and, errm... and during the holidays she was the oldest of the eight children here and, errrr... and she just loved every minute of it; every waking minute she was having a ball and that is certainly the image that I keep in my head."
- Kate and Gerry McCann, ITV interview, 25 May 2007

"They are quite similar in looks. Kate was a quiet child, never liked to be centre of attention, very very gentle. Madeleine is quite exuberant. She's full of life and probably really relishes being the centre of attention. Lovely little girl, a funny character, too special to just disappear, far too special just not to be with us anymore. But as I say, almost a 'mini Kate' to look at. And Kate feels that way too. 'Mini me' she calls her. She's so close to Madeleine, it's hard to imagine how Kate must be feeling."
- Sue Healy, The Mayo News, 3/7/07

This image is a shadow of Madeleine as her close family evidently remember her to be like and what we see in her earlier photos. Even giving allowance for the trauma she must have suffered being abducted, then having to adapt to her new life amongst strangers (if we adhere to the abduction scenario), I remain unconvinced by the merit of age-progressed photos in general just by seeing how totally different they can look depending on the software used and because it must be nay impossible to incorporate 'personality' with this kind of process.

that is not a nine yr old and it certainly is not madeleine mccann she was pretty that efit is ugly

by russiandoll 01.05.12 23:49

Beauty is subjective, however I think a majority of people would find the latest Maddie a nice looking girl. Hardly ugly, maybe a little on the bland and uninteresting side....not enough made of her very striking eyes

by Shibboleth 02.05.12 8:08

Jean wrote:Are you being serious, Shibboleth? When was this hideous image produced?

Yes, quite serious. One year after Maddie vanished, a woman made this mannekin and put it in the square of Praia da Luz. It was reported that Kate approved of it.

by MrsDoubtful 02.05.12 13:36

ufercoffy wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

Here's a gallery of age-progressed Maddie'[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]s.

The second to last one on the right is probably the closest to how she would look now. My grandson was her age when she disappeared, he will be 9 this year. Facially he hasnt changed at all he has just got a bit taller and chunkier, but looking at him now and prior you can clearly see he is the same lad when he was nearly 4. I think the image they have shown now is too progressed to be honest. Mind you there is no way anyone would recognise her if she is alive because she would have different style hair, possibly darker skin, IF she is allowed that is to be outside. Or she would be covered in a burka. But she aint going to be seen in MacDonalds or sitting on beach somewhere.

The McCanns really need to get real over this. If there were no clues 5 years ago there are hardly likely to be any now. God bless her. x

by Guest 02.05.12 13:54

MrsDoubtful

by tuom 02.05.12 19:46

russiandoll wrote: Beauty is subjective, however I think a majority of people would find the latest Maddie a nice looking girl. Hardly ugly, maybe a little on the bland and uninteresting side....not enough made of her very striking eyes

I agree Rd, I have been looking at some pictures of my own 2 daughters , one had what you would call "buck" teeth and needed braces for many years resulting in her face especially her jaw line changing considerably , but my other daughter looking at a picture of her aged 4 her face is quite rounded and a little chubby , in her school picture at 9 her chin is less chubby and a little pointed , and from then on the shape of her face has not changed too much , her features then started to mature , but her chin remains the same as nine.

I have looked at MMC chin and teeth in many of the pictures and I cannot find many that actually match , one in point is the one where she looks rather ill , I think it was taken from the photo of her in the middle with Sean and Amelie, her whole face shape in that one is quite rounded , no sign of the "pointy chin"

In other pictures , the one with the crimped hair and with the too big red dress I think MMC (?) has a dimple in her left cheek , I may be wrong but it is worth a look, family always commented on my dimples when I was a child and I still have them , mind you they are in between the wrinkles now [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

Would be interested if anyone else sees that .........

by Ribisl 02.05.12 20:03

Very observant of you tuom. Madeleine definitely had a prominent dimple. Here we go...

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by tuom 02.05.12 21:23

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Thank You , now the iconic poster picture is lacking this (of course !)

by tuom 05.05.12 20:50

Re the dimple on MMC's left cheek that I posted above , I came across a picture somewhere earlier today of MMC with her grandmother Healy , she has the football jersey on in it , now for the life of me I cannot find it , please help[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]