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Maddie's clothes
tigger on Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:58 pm
Maddie's clothes have long intrigued me.
For a little girl who's hair is often looking pretty perfect, her clothes don't seem to live up to that image.
As Kate tells us about the 'apricot dress' which is in fact pink - which she wears in the pool photo, I wonder why the pretty dress or skirt of just a few weeks ago in Donegal wouldn't have done as well. So I will post each set of garments that puzzle me in separate posts.
We start with the pyjamas:
Dr. Roberts, 'Dormant Issues' 2011
We have long known of the pink Disney outfit Madeleine was wearing when she was taken from the apartment. Kate's washing of the top after breakfast that Thursday illustrates just how little time it took to dry. We know also that the McCanns had a duplicate set (for Amelie) with them in PdL. They were shown to UK viewers of 'Crimewatch' before being taken on a tour of the European capitals at the end of May/beginning of June. We have also been told, by Olga Craig, writing for the Sunday Telegraph (27.5.2007), that when the McCanns moved to an apartment near to the one from which Madeleine was taken they "unpacked their missing daughter's clothes...laying out her pyjamas on what would have been her bed."
Self-evidently these pyjamas were not being worn by Madeleine at the time of her disappearance. They couldn't have been or they wouldn't have come back. Equally self-evidently, for something to be unpacked it must first be packed. These pyjamas (that's two pairs so far) obviously travelled in the luggage and, since they awaited Madeleine's return, they would have been clean (would anyone welcome their lost child home with dirty pyjamas?) Hence these pyjamas were neither the recently washed pair since departed with Madeleine, nor the unwashed pair thrown hurriedly into the back of the Renault Scenic hire car at the time the McCanns moved house.
But the McCanns say the fluids probably came from Madeleine's unwashed pyjamas and sandals which were carried in the boot when the family was moving apartments.'
To have been somehow soiled with Madeleine's DNA these unwashed pyjamas must have been worn earlier in the week. They could not have been worn by Madeleine after May 3, the day when Kate McCann saw fit to wash the pink pyjama top on account of an overlooked tea stain, whilst Madeleine's previously worn and unwashed pair remained - unwashed.
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3 pairs of pyjamas?
For a little girl who's hair is often looking pretty perfect, her clothes don't seem to live up to that image.
As Kate tells us about the 'apricot dress' which is in fact pink - which she wears in the pool photo, I wonder why the pretty dress or skirt of just a few weeks ago in Donegal wouldn't have done as well. So I will post each set of garments that puzzle me in separate posts.
We start with the pyjamas:
Dr. Roberts, 'Dormant Issues' 2011
We have long known of the pink Disney outfit Madeleine was wearing when she was taken from the apartment. Kate's washing of the top after breakfast that Thursday illustrates just how little time it took to dry. We know also that the McCanns had a duplicate set (for Amelie) with them in PdL. They were shown to UK viewers of 'Crimewatch' before being taken on a tour of the European capitals at the end of May/beginning of June. We have also been told, by Olga Craig, writing for the Sunday Telegraph (27.5.2007), that when the McCanns moved to an apartment near to the one from which Madeleine was taken they "unpacked their missing daughter's clothes...laying out her pyjamas on what would have been her bed."
Self-evidently these pyjamas were not being worn by Madeleine at the time of her disappearance. They couldn't have been or they wouldn't have come back. Equally self-evidently, for something to be unpacked it must first be packed. These pyjamas (that's two pairs so far) obviously travelled in the luggage and, since they awaited Madeleine's return, they would have been clean (would anyone welcome their lost child home with dirty pyjamas?) Hence these pyjamas were neither the recently washed pair since departed with Madeleine, nor the unwashed pair thrown hurriedly into the back of the Renault Scenic hire car at the time the McCanns moved house.
But the McCanns say the fluids probably came from Madeleine's unwashed pyjamas and sandals which were carried in the boot when the family was moving apartments.'
To have been somehow soiled with Madeleine's DNA these unwashed pyjamas must have been worn earlier in the week. They could not have been worn by Madeleine after May 3, the day when Kate McCann saw fit to wash the pink pyjama top on account of an overlooked tea stain, whilst Madeleine's previously worn and unwashed pair remained - unwashed.
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3 pairs of pyjamas?
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Shoes
tigger on Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:06 pm
The cleaner Mrs. da Silva commented on the shoes the three children wore on the Sunday morning. Trainers with little pink lights along them.
1) Kate has never mentioned these shoes and I would have thought a toddler would be over the moon with such trainers.
2) It may be that those are the trainers in the playground picture but are they the same ones in the airport bus? No decoration on the side is visible.
3) In June, when the photograph of the family in the booth was taken, each twin is wearing different trainers (different soles visible) no lights visible.
In the tennis photo she should have been wearing trainers but is wearing scuffed sandals instead.
Does that mean: that the three children Mrs. Da Silva saw, were not the three McCann children?
Does that mean that the tennis photo isn't likely to have been taken at PdL? (the tennis court itself is probably not that of OC)
I've tried to find photographs of the twins post 3/5 wearing this type of trainer but haven't seen it. Why should they in any case have two pairs of trainers each? The booth photo can at best show one of the trainers in question. As the soles are different one of them is wearing another type of trainer.
That would make the twins possibly with: two pairs of trainers each.
Plus sharing Maddie's sandals.
Weren't there only the sandals available for DNA tests? But Maddie is shown with trainers in the playground
1) Kate has never mentioned these shoes and I would have thought a toddler would be over the moon with such trainers.
2) It may be that those are the trainers in the playground picture but are they the same ones in the airport bus? No decoration on the side is visible.
3) In June, when the photograph of the family in the booth was taken, each twin is wearing different trainers (different soles visible) no lights visible.
In the tennis photo she should have been wearing trainers but is wearing scuffed sandals instead.
Does that mean: that the three children Mrs. Da Silva saw, were not the three McCann children?
Does that mean that the tennis photo isn't likely to have been taken at PdL? (the tennis court itself is probably not that of OC)
I've tried to find photographs of the twins post 3/5 wearing this type of trainer but haven't seen it. Why should they in any case have two pairs of trainers each? The booth photo can at best show one of the trainers in question. As the soles are different one of them is wearing another type of trainer.
That would make the twins possibly with: two pairs of trainers each.
Plus sharing Maddie's sandals.
Weren't there only the sandals available for DNA tests? But Maddie is shown with trainers in the playground
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Re: Maddie's clothes
jay2001 on Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:27 pm
So why did GM have to return to UK for dna? If there were sandals, trainers, jim jams why were the sniffer dogs given a towel that could've been used by the whole family?
What happened to the clothes worn by the pool on the last day? So many unanswered questions. There must be so much info that SY have to check so they can take as long as possible imo. Just get the right answers to this 'mystery'.
What happened to the clothes worn by the pool on the last day? So many unanswered questions. There must be so much info that SY have to check so they can take as long as possible imo. Just get the right answers to this 'mystery'.
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Dresses
tigger on Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:32 pm
Dresses:
The ‘apricot coloured’ dress Kate mentions, which is in fact pink.
She looks rather young in that photo.
The expense is mentioned as are Gap and Monsoon. One might expect people with their kind of income to buy at those stores in any case.
The red christmas dress - fits Maddie perfectly and with her hairdo, she looks perfect. This is Christmas 2005 I think.
The red dress in the kitchen photos is much too large, her hair is unkempt and it seems to be a party for the twins’ first birthday. Maddie looks a little too old for that so might it be the February 2007?
But the dress is highly unsuitable for the time of year.
The shoestring strap dress in the floor photograph and the ice cream photo. This does fit - but as it happens, both poses are extremely suggestive. The strappy dress only adds to the image.
Donegal dress or skirt. This was allegedly taken less than three weeks before the PdL holiday. It’s a very pretty dress with ruffles and she is wearing a fleece top.
questions: I think both photos have Maddie’s head pasted on and the child in question is younger which is why she is almost the same size as Sean.
This dress/skirt isn’t one I’ve seen in any other photograph. Which may lend weight to the theory that that body doesn't belong to Maddie.
The ‘apricot coloured’ dress Kate mentions, which is in fact pink.
She looks rather young in that photo.
The expense is mentioned as are Gap and Monsoon. One might expect people with their kind of income to buy at those stores in any case.
The red christmas dress - fits Maddie perfectly and with her hairdo, she looks perfect. This is Christmas 2005 I think.
The red dress in the kitchen photos is much too large, her hair is unkempt and it seems to be a party for the twins’ first birthday. Maddie looks a little too old for that so might it be the February 2007?
But the dress is highly unsuitable for the time of year.
The shoestring strap dress in the floor photograph and the ice cream photo. This does fit - but as it happens, both poses are extremely suggestive. The strappy dress only adds to the image.
Donegal dress or skirt. This was allegedly taken less than three weeks before the PdL holiday. It’s a very pretty dress with ruffles and she is wearing a fleece top.
questions: I think both photos have Maddie’s head pasted on and the child in question is younger which is why she is almost the same size as Sean.
This dress/skirt isn’t one I’ve seen in any other photograph. Which may lend weight to the theory that that body doesn't belong to Maddie.
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Holiday clothes.
tigger on Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:37 pm
So far we've got the poolside dress.
The pink hat. (which Amelie wears in the poolside photo) possibly a white hat although that might be Amelie's.
The pink tracksuit plus possibly another pair of pink trousers.
The shoes that she was wearing with the tracksuit, probably trainers.
The shorts and t-shirt.
Three pairs of pyjamas.
A pair of sandals.
Possibly a pair of trainers with lights on the sides.
Although this is not correct as trainers of any kind were not available for the PJ. The sandals were allegedly shared with the twins.
So we have a child on holiday with shared sandals and three pairs of pyjamas. According to her parents who should know.
From the horse's mouth so to speak.
The pink hat. (which Amelie wears in the poolside photo) possibly a white hat although that might be Amelie's.
The pink tracksuit plus possibly another pair of pink trousers.
The shoes that she was wearing with the tracksuit, probably trainers.
The shorts and t-shirt.
Three pairs of pyjamas.
A pair of sandals.
Possibly a pair of trainers with lights on the sides.
Although this is not correct as trainers of any kind were not available for the PJ. The sandals were allegedly shared with the twins.
So we have a child on holiday with shared sandals and three pairs of pyjamas. According to her parents who should know.
From the horse's mouth so to speak.
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Re: Maddie's clothes
Ribisl on Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:07 am
Interesting posts Tigger. More inconsistencies implying untruthfulness. Reminds us again the odd fact that there are so few photos made public from that week even given that all the children appear to have spent most of their holiday in the creche or taking part in some activities with their staff.
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Re: Maddie's clothes
tigger on Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:16 am
As a 'control' argument, what would one expect to find in the suitcase of a four year old on holiday for a week?
One pair of pyjamas - why more? Because there were laundry facilities and washing machines there. They expected it to be warmer than it was as well.
One pair of trainers and pair of sandals.
One tracksuit for probably most of the holiday and a spare pare of trousers.
One pretty dress. (for going out for a meal with the family)..
Three or four T shirts. One with long sleeves.
Shorts. Sun hat.
Bathing suit. Underwear for each day.
One pair of pyjamas - why more? Because there were laundry facilities and washing machines there. They expected it to be warmer than it was as well.
One pair of trainers and pair of sandals.
One tracksuit for probably most of the holiday and a spare pare of trousers.
One pretty dress. (for going out for a meal with the family)..
Three or four T shirts. One with long sleeves.
Shorts. Sun hat.
Bathing suit. Underwear for each day.
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Re: Maddie's clothes
PeterMac on Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:10 am
tigger wrote:As a 'control' argument, what would one expect to find in the suitcase of a four year old on holiday for a week?
snip Underwear for each day.
Probably not for each day. Three children makes it logical to plan to do at least a mid week wash, so I would guess only 3 pairs.
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Re: Maddie's clothes
tigger on Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:41 am
PeterMac wrote:tigger wrote:As a 'control' argument, what would one expect to find in the suitcase of a four year old on holiday for a week?
snip Underwear for each day.
Probably not for each day. Three children makes it logical to plan to do at least a mid week wash, so I would guess only 3 pairs.
Ah yes! I've overlooked the logistics with three children. Dr. Roberts also supposes that the twins might have had two sets of pyjamas, as Amelie's Eyore pyjamas were taken on a tour of Europe, she must have had a spare and so would Sean, being twins.
It gets more complicated: two sets of trainers for the twins too, unless they bought them new ones within two months and seven sets of nightwear in total.
It was cold, the T9 were wearing fleece jackets on and off. The Donegal photo shows the children with such jackets - why, if the parents had taken fleece jackets with them, wasn't there even a cardigan for Maddie in her skimpy dress? (from the book).
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Re: Maddie's clothes
russiandoll on Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:10 am
One pair of pjs not enough imo, would pack two.
washing machine there but drying outside was the way...I doubt holiday resorts go to the expense of washer dryers in apartments and anyhow haven't we seen a photo of Kate hanging the washing on a clothes horse outside in Portugal? Given spillages and the weather, whilst they expected it to be warmer it is not hot in Spring in Portugal, 2 pairs of pjs sensible . No way was it warm enough imo to dry that pj top properly in the hours between washing and getting Maddie ready for bed early evening..anyway why would you put a possibly not bone dry top on a youngster when you had another with you ? ot, but the reason ROB gave for his annoyance over the lack of a request for fresh sheets after his child had been sick...he laboured the point that there was a washing machine in his apartment...well unless it had a dryer and unless he switched it on at 10pm, he would still have needed clean sheets for his child's bed. Putting the sheets in the machine does not mean he was able to wash and dry them and make up the bed with them immediately...why did he not simply say he planned for the child to sleep elsewhere as was probably the case, with him and his partner for example?
washing machine there but drying outside was the way...I doubt holiday resorts go to the expense of washer dryers in apartments and anyhow haven't we seen a photo of Kate hanging the washing on a clothes horse outside in Portugal? Given spillages and the weather, whilst they expected it to be warmer it is not hot in Spring in Portugal, 2 pairs of pjs sensible . No way was it warm enough imo to dry that pj top properly in the hours between washing and getting Maddie ready for bed early evening..anyway why would you put a possibly not bone dry top on a youngster when you had another with you ? ot, but the reason ROB gave for his annoyance over the lack of a request for fresh sheets after his child had been sick...he laboured the point that there was a washing machine in his apartment...well unless it had a dryer and unless he switched it on at 10pm, he would still have needed clean sheets for his child's bed. Putting the sheets in the machine does not mean he was able to wash and dry them and make up the bed with them immediately...why did he not simply say he planned for the child to sleep elsewhere as was probably the case, with him and his partner for example?
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