Re: What was so special about Burgau?

by roy rovers 20.05.14 20:30

The upper part of the supposedly badly photoshopped arm is a pink ribbon on her dress surely?

by Hicks 20.05.14 21:09

Madeleine definitely has red lipstick on as well as black eye make up. Either that, or it has been added later.

The cone is way two long, it looks like two have been put together in order to make it appear longer.

Now why would any parent, who believed their four year old daughter might in the hands of some vile paedophile gang, put out a photo like that?

by ultimaThule 20.05.14 21:42

tigger wrote:
worriedmum wrote:the width of the arm nearest the camera looks almost as wide as her body!

If you enlarge the one Poe posted, you'll see around the shoulder strap a much lighter area which may well be the result of pasting an adult arm on the body (reduced in size).
I've commented on the bingo wings years ago. It may be that the icecream didn't fit the picture so a bit more hamfisted adjustments were made by shortening the fore arm and overlooking the fact that now the arm was in fact amputated.

We see knuckles on this hand, on the tennis photo and on the strange left hand in the kitchen photo as well.
In the last one the colour of the arm changes abruptly from the elbow on.

Copied from the "favorite" trousers thread:

What was so special about Burgau? - Page 15 06-05-07-Mail

On the subject of 'knuckles' the way Kate is wielding that knife is a scary sight. Is that a shadow on the upper part of the blade?

by Guest 20.05.14 22:03

Does anyone else think that the dress Madeleine is wearing in the ice cream photo is the same as the one in the photo of her lying down looking back?

I am hopeless at posting photos and they need to be seen together. It did occur to me that as both photos are unsuitable and suggestive for a 3 year old maybe they were taken close together, same day, same photographer?

I must add that I think the one of Maddie lying down is shown (briefly) to be framed on GM's desk in the Jon Corner video, and if I'm right seems an inappropriate photo of one's missing daughter to display.
Only my opinion of course, and I may have got it all wrong.

by HelenMeg 20.05.14 22:30

Mirage wrote:
daffodil wrote:

I know there has been a lot of discussion about this photograph. Does the hand with the ice cream belong to Maddie and so on.

I came across this copy on another forum, and it doesn't appear as clipped as others so seems to show her full arm.

It is a bad pic. very grainy, but thought it might be worth copying here.
That ice cream would be more at home on the launch pad at Kennedy Space Center.

that really made me laugh

by sallypelt 29.07.14 19:35

ROSA wrote:According to other records in the file the Police record that the Polish couple are staying at the Solimar apartments in Burgau - owned by Peter and Margaret Owen from Cardiff.

http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowUserReviews-g776012-d529427-r195350984-Luzmar_Villas-Luz_Faro_District_Algarve.html

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/NUNO_LOURENCO.htm

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/NUNO_LOURENCO.htm#

http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/SmartDeals-g312712-Burgau_Faro_District_Algarve-Hotel-Deals.html

Are all these GERMAN connections coincidences. I find it very difficult to believe a word of what Michael Shrimpton says, as he makes some outrageous claims, but is it the right thing to do, to dismiss something completely? After all, he is a barrister, and barristers have SOME credibility...............don't they?

by bubblewrap 29.07.14 19:58

sallypelt wrote:
ROSA wrote:According to other records in the file the Police record that the Polish couple are staying at the Solimar apartments in Burgau - owned by Peter and Margaret Owen from Cardiff.

http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowUserReviews-g776012-d529427-r195350984-Luzmar_Villas-Luz_Faro_District_Algarve.html

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/NUNO_LOURENCO.htm

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/NUNO_LOURENCO.htm#

http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/SmartDeals-g312712-Burgau_Faro_District_Algarve-Hotel-Deals.html

Are all these GERMAN connections coincidences. I find it very difficult to believe a word of what Michael Shrimpton says, as he makes some outrageous claims, but is it the right thing to do, to dismiss something completely? After all, he is a barrister, and barristers have SOME credibility...............don't they?

Robert Argiz said...
I remember writing before about the background of Christopher Story on intelligence and other matters of interest to those of us seeking the truth. He had deep knowledge of things some folks would rather keep secret, so it wouldn't be a surprise at all if he was in fact murdered. One journalist based in Paris that I exchange mails with sometimes, mentioned something in connection with the death threat that Jose Manuel Barroso, made on him for publishing information about his involvement in the case of Madeleine McCann. If you read Mr. Story's report at his website, you will understand why someone like Mr.Barroso would not let anyone get away with what Story wrote on him, regarding his peadophile activities and the McCann case.

http://whats-going-on-alex.blogspot.co.uk/2010/08/christopher-story-death-confirmation-of.html

Shrimpton (MI5) Twisted a credible account....IMO. Like Ive said, far too many Controlled Oppositions involved in this case.

by sallypelt 29.07.14 20:02

sallypelt wrote:
ROSA wrote:According to other records in the file the Police record that the Polish couple are staying at the Solimar apartments in Burgau - owned by Peter and Margaret Owen from Cardiff.

http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowUserReviews-g776012-d529427-r195350984-Luzmar_Villas-Luz_Faro_District_Algarve.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmYNiwVy72I

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/NUNO_LOURENCO.htm#

http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/SmartDeals-g312712-Burgau_Faro_District_Algarve-Hotel-Deals.html

Are all these GERMAN connections coincidences. I find it very difficult to believe a word of what Michael Shrimpton says, as he makes some outrageous claims, but is it the right thing to do, to dismiss something completely? After all, he is a barrister, and barristers have SOME credibility...............don't they?

I've edited my earlier post as I posted the PJ file link twice. I meant to post the Michael Shrimpton youtube article (33 seconds) for members to make up their own minds.

by j.rob 30.07.14 16:40

sallypelt wrote:
sallypelt wrote:
ROSA wrote:According to other records in the file the Police record that the Polish couple are staying at the Solimar apartments in Burgau - owned by Peter and Margaret Owen from Cardiff.

http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowUserReviews-g776012-d529427-r195350984-Luzmar_Villas-Luz_Faro_District_Algarve.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmYNiwVy72I

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/NUNO_LOURENCO.htm#

http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/SmartDeals-g312712-Burgau_Faro_District_Algarve-Hotel-Deals.html

Are all these GERMAN connections coincidences. I find it very difficult to believe a word of what Michael Shrimpton says, as he makes some outrageous claims, but is it the right thing to do, to dismiss something completely? After all, he is a barrister, and barristers have SOME credibility...............don't they?

I've edited my earlier post as I posted the PJ file link twice. I meant to post the Michael Shrimpton youtube article (33 seconds) for members to make up their own minds.

I wonder what connection, if any, the suspicious Polish couple have with this case?

"They have taken her".

Kate telling the social worker who spoke to her after Madeleine's disappearance that 'a couple' had taken Madeleine.

The parents and friends suggesting that the motive for Madeleine's abduction was paedophilia?

Or just another of those coincidences?

by Moonbathed skin 13.11.15 2:11

Forgive me if this has been pointed out before but after looking at the photograph of the blue eye shadow for quite a while it seems to me like camouflage.

IMO it looks like that poor child has taken a crack on the nose. The bruising from impact has pooled in both her tear troughs (and beyond) and also the upper eyelids.
If you look carefully at Maddie's left (right as we see it) eye you can see the purply pink of relatively new trauma of the bruise creeping above the blue eye shadow on the upper left hand side reaching as far as the eyebrow. There is also a small circular bruise at the right hand corner of her mouth. This along with photoshopping of what looks like bruises on her neck is really quite sickening.

This would explain why the garish and outmoded use of the blue eye shadow was used.

As I said sorry if the possibility of a crack on the nose has been discussed before.

by cbeagle 22.12.15 17:54

For comparison here's a commercial of a kid with an ice cream if anyone is interested.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKqemb7cHwU

by Verdi 12.04.16 13:08

Relative to the last photograph thread discussion but slightly off-topic so I've dragged it over here. This post was made by ROSA at the beginning of this thread..

Quote: The photo is one of the balconys at the Solimar Apartment that is what they look like
im looking at the background wall and chair colour the photo of M is a close up the colour and prob texture of the wall is very simalar
i think this might be the real last photo of M and there is a possibitie that it was taken at the Solimar Apartment the photo gives me the chills and its not the make up .
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How ROSA knows this I haven't a clue so can't vouch for it. Until such times as the shot is entirely ruled out by conclusive evidence I will reserve further comment. This excerpt from an old article is interesting - researched I believe by forum member 'tigger'. The article is a bit lenghty and rather picturesque but well worth the read as it features all the old favourite scenes and players.

Vanity Fair - 10th January 2008

Unanswered Prayers by Judy Bachrach

It is part of the odd dynamic of this story that when I phone Sally Eveleigh, Murat’s cousin, who also lives in Praia da Luz, her first remark is that she cannot utter a syllable about Murat without the O.K. of her British press agent, the famously rambunctious Max Clifford. And when his blessing is secured, her second is: “Wonderful, darling, see you shortly. Robert can’t talk to you, because he’s an arguido. But we’ll have a bit of a party, won’t we?”

When I arrive at her massive house, lined with rosy tile and Moroccan rugs, Sally greets me in floor-length blue voile trimmed with pretty stones. And the party includes Murat: five feet 10 inches, dark-haired, wearing beige trousers, serving us tea, wine, and cigarettes.

“All I can say,” says Murat, “is that I am innocent. There is no way I was at the resort that night. Full stop. I was in my mother’s kitchen until one a.m. Yes, we are a kitchen kind of family. I spent the night at the house.” As an arguido he cannot reveal more. But he does drive me around and point out the major landmarks of the case. “That’s the apartment from which Madeleine vanished,” he says. “That’s my mother’s villa.” The police ransacked the place four months ago and came up with nothing.

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2008/02/mccanns200802
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I'll leave you to ponder.

by skyrocket 12.04.16 14:48

@Verdi, actually the PJ visited the Sol e Mar apartments in Burgau and took photos, both in and out - it is in the files (I have posted this before on the Sally Eveleigh/Burgau thread):

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P9/09_VOLUME_IXa_Page_2383.jpg (all pages through to page 2395)

The real Sol e Mar is a bit of a drab block built building with white doors, windows and columns. Not a blue railing or chair in sight.

I think that can be taken as conclusive, and I think the other photo should be put away unless it can be proven it has any relevance to the case at all.

Sorry can't post photos but someone might like to oblige.

by Verdi 12.04.16 15:39

@skyrocket wrote: actually the PJ visited the Sol e Mar apartments in Burgau and took photos, both in and out

It's been pointed out in the past (perhaps you missed it) that the photographs included in the PJ files are of the front elevation of the Aparthotel, clearly showing external coridoors servicing entrance doors. To my knowledge there are no photograhs of the back elevation where I would expect a balcony to be situated - if indeed there was/is a balcony.

Burgau features heavily in this saga, particularly in connection with Robert Murat, I therefore do not plan to readily dismiss anything that might be relevant - that includes the photograph of the balcony said to be of the type to be found at Aparthotel Sol e Mar.

by skyrocket 12.04.16 17:06

@Verdi - just so that this is absolutely clear for anyone reading this thread, the Sole e Mar apartment in Burgau which was forensically examined and photographed is the one at (in the pj files middle column/about half way down; starts at page 2383; several photos of the outside included):

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PROCESSO_9a.htm

If anyone can find me a photo showing any blue balconies on any side of this building I will be happy to accept them BUT as it stands there is clear, factual, police evidence showing the building looking entirely different to the photo with the blue chairs. Three sides are shown in the photos - would the fourth unseen side have a different wall finish; different window colour/door/balcony colour? Wouldn't it be more prudent to accept the PJ File appearance of the building until a photo is produced actually showing a blue balcony attached to the Sol e Mar?

I'm not sure what the problem is - the photo could have been taken anywhere in the area. It's location is probably never going to be known.

by soedar 24.05.16 21:11

why the heck did the McCanns ever release it?

Maybe to continue putting pressure on someone, to extort?

Everytime the funds slow down, the Mccanns turn up the heat.

Not too much, they are above a fire too: being framed for murder.

Either way neither side can come clean with the whole truth, just hint at parts of it(real or fabricated) which are enough to make the other side hopefully fall in line.

Perhaps this picture(considered inappropriate by most observers) is all too familiar to some parties. The basis on which the original agreement was made.

Remeber the Mccann Pr machinery feeding the press the notion she was abducted after being selected on the basis of pictures taken and send back for approval.

These 'releases' and theories tangentially touch upon the truth of the matter, enough to upset people in certain circles.

These ofcourse set off counter moves incriminating evidence against the parents...

They were having financial difficulties some suggest and they werent there to enjoy themselves said GM.

Perhaps the trip was put together by a friend to introduce them to new circles and consummate a deal. But disaster struck. Bringing in high level professional cleaners and fixers. The Mccanns given every possible support. Frantic telephones and urgent flights to Portugal. But then the body being removed without KM knowing leading to her exclamation: They have taken her! The Fund acting as a pay off.

The Mccanns suddenly finding themselves at the center of attention, money coming in,thinking themselves untouchable. Even given the chance to privately say goodbye to their daughter's cremated remains.
No body,no proof of any wrongdoing right? Gaspar statement notwithstanding...

But these people they are dealing with are not idiots: imagine the Mccanns shock when the dog results came in: an alternative fallback scenario is unfolding before their eyes. And now it is kinda like a Mexican standoff...

Just a theory and general impression, not real

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by Verdi 25.05.16 16:45

@soedar - reply here..

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t8706-the-make-up-photo

by Eastree27 06.06.20 21:44

Guest wrote:That's the only thing we know about Burgau I think. But it seems strange that on the Lobster creche record sheet for May 3rd, the Totman child's entry it says "Burgau Walk", If I am reading it correctly. I'm wondering if there is a hospital or research facility there, or something else? As Dr JulianTotman, is allegedly yet another Doctor from the Salisbury area.

This post is more relevant now Totman is stated to be Tannerman.

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