The Strange World of Jeffrey Epstein

Ladyinred wrote:

BlueBag wrote:

Ladyinred wrote:I don't think it's been established that any crime was committed.

Because he paid $$$ MILLIONS $$$ to make sure of that.

But you're arguing for an independent police prosecution - he didn't pay off the police.

Absolutely should be one.

BlueBag wrote:

Jill Havern wrote:If Virginia wanted her day in court, why did she settle?

$$$$ MILLIONS $$$$

Money more important than justice.

Strange.

Jill Havern wrote:

BlueBag wrote:

Jill Havern wrote:If Virginia wanted her day in court, why did she settle?

$$$$ MILLIONS $$$$

Money more important than justice.

Strange.

For some people yes.

For some (most) people $12 million is a lot of money.

Didn't Andrew want justice?

Surely she'd still have got a lot of money by forcing him to attend court.

Jill Havern wrote:Surely she'd still have got a lot of money by forcing him to attend court.

Maybe not.

Then she was running the risk of a rigged court.

Why aren't you wondering why Andrew paid up?

I think he has the most questions to answer.

BlueBag wrote:

Jill Havern wrote:Surely she'd still have got a lot of money by forcing him to attend court.

Maybe not.

Then she was running the risk of a rigged court.

Why aren't you wondering why Andrew paid up?

I think he has the most questions to answer.

It's reported that Prince Charles told him to pay up to bring this to an end before the Platinum Jubilee celebrations. Not great to have Andrew as headline news (which it would have been) when the Queen's 70 year reign is coming to an end.

Who knows what the truth is about any of it.

I don't know. You don't know. But you're making assumptions because you don't like the Royal Family and want the Monarchy abolished.

Jill Havern wrote:

Close friend of Prince Andrew, Lady Victoria Hervey, on why she believes infamous Virginia Giuffre image is fake

Tbh there's something that doesn't sit right with that photo, I don't claim Andrew is innocent but reading Maria's tweets she says she was raped by 2 men and only had liaisons with 2 men, Virgina says she was raped by Andrew. 

There are stuff that doesn't sit right with both women, Maria threatened everyone with her lawyers, there was another girl who wrote a book, allegedly she's exposing everything in that book, Maria & Virginia send their fans on her, watched people sending abusive tweets to that girl.  Maria is gone off twitter now, saying she found her sweetheart on twitter (some people claim her sweetheart is some sort of a drug lord) 

But why use Trump, Lex Wexner & Prince Andrew only. What about the other men?

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] They say Charlie & William allegedly asked him to pay up and shut her up

Sweet Virginia was not 'raped'.

She wasn't groomed nor abducted nor trafficked - unless you think acceptance of large sums of money and lavish presents is being groomed. I call it seduced by gilding.

She was 17 years of age, not 7. I knew exactly what I was about at the age of 17 (much earlier if truth be known).

Experience working at a spa, training as a masseuse? Don't try and tell me she was there against her will.

Poor bloke, this is like a medieval mobbing.

Verdi wrote:Sweet Virginia was not 'raped'.

We'll never know now as he paid her $12 million to shut up.

The empathy for a mate of Epstein, Maxwell, Clinton and Spacey is amazing.

The power of the Royal family.

Jill Havern wrote:


I don't know. You don't know. But you're making assumptions because you don't like the Royal Family and want the Monarchy abolished.

Actually my judgement is not clouded by Queen tinted spectacles.

If this was anyone else...

Vera Krista wrote:

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] They say Charlie & William allegedly asked him to pay up and shut her up

So they don't believe him either.

BlueBag wrote:

Vera Krista wrote:

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] They say Charlie & William allegedly asked him to pay up and shut her up

So they don't believe him either.

I don't think believing is the case, it's because their Kingdom is at stake. 

I think he's just being being black mailed, he's an easier pawn comparing to Killary & her hubby whose body count is higher than the Italian Mobs.

Vera Krista wrote:

BlueBag wrote:

Vera Krista wrote:

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] They say Charlie & William allegedly asked him to pay up and shut her up

So they don't believe him either.

I don't think believing is the case, it's because their Kingdom is at stake. 

I think he's just being being black mailed, he's an easier pawn comparing to Killary & her hubby whose body count is higher than the Italian Mobs.

Nah.

He's like the rest of his family.

Sex with anything is fine.

(Edward VII is a good example).

Parasites.

Oh...

The Royal Family are scum.

100% self interested.

See above video.

Hey... the Royal world you think you live in is not the world you live in.

Well the suicide happened in the part of the prison which was reportedly not overlooked by the cctv. how quite convenient just like in Epstein's suicide.

What... a... convenience...

Inside the quiet suburban housewife life of Virginia Giuffre

After a public battle with the Duke of York, the campaigner is living under the radar – with up to £10 million heading her way

By Lucie Morris-Marr 20 February 2022 • 5:00am

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It’s unlikely that many residents of the small, laid-back Ocean Reef community (population: 8,000) know the blonde mother with a slight American accent who lives quietly in the large detached home by the beach – and who is about to receive a life-changing sum of money after alleging she was trafficked for sex to the Duke of York.

Amid the furore surrounding the out-of-court settlement reached in the civil case against Prince Andrew, his accuser Virginia Giuffre spent last week hidden from public view, as usual, in remote seclusion in Western Australia.

The 38-year-old has effectively been calling the shots about the future trajectory of the life, and reputation, of the Duke of York by phone and Zoom meetings, from behind the 10ft-high security gates of her beachside mansion situated on the outskirts of one of the most remote cities on earth.

While the Duke prepares to pay a hugely embarrassing bill rumoured to be £12 million, the advocate and mother-of-three has been tucked away in her luxurious six-bedroom home, 12 miles up the coast north of Perth. Giuffre is as far away as possible from the ugly fallout, privy only to the sound of the gentle waves of the Indian Ocean from her terrace overlooking endless white sands.

It is here that she walks her dog, Juno, each day – one of her many coping methods, she says, that she developed to try to recover from the memories of her two years as a teenage sex trafficking victim at the hands of convicted late paedophile Jeffrey Epstein.
A teenage Virgina Giuffre with Prince Andrew; in the background is Ghislaine Maxwell

In late 2020, Giuffre purchased the $1.9 million AUD (£1m) property, which is believed to have been possibly funded by previous large out-of-court settlements related to Epstein and his former girlfriend, Ghislaine Maxwell.

The residence comes with a deluxe, upper-level master suite and parents’ retreat, with an entertainment room, a spa, huge walk-in wardrobe, a balcony overlooking the sea and even a “make-up nook”.

By all accounts, Giuffre has largely kept to herself, apart from occasional trips to the shops, hairdressers and ferrying her three busy teenage children – two sons in their mid to late teens, and a daughter aged 12 – to school and to their various sporting and social activities.

Sometimes, friends of her children look her up on Google, leaving her to have to explain and reassure her brood yet again exactly why she is currently one of the most famous household names in the world.

“They have friends that say: ‘Oh my god, is this your mum?’ ” Giuffre explained in an interview with New York website The Cut in December. “It’s a lot for them to carry. But they’re teenagers. They’re at that prime era in life where I think it’s important to teach them about sex trafficking.”

As well as the ability to live a life largely unnoticed in Western Australia, Giuffre also does regular therapy sessions and yoga, as she revealed just recently, to ease what she describes as sleepless nights routinely disturbed by vivid dreams about her abusers.

“I’m doing as many things to clear my mind as possible so that I can be sharp and focused when it matters,” she said.

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Giuffre, who has said in the past she endured a troubled childhood dominated by other abuse incidents and time spent in foster homes, also spends time reading messages from victims of abuse who contact her through her advocacy organisation SOAR, short for “Speak Out, Act, Reclaim”. It is believed that it is to this organisation that Prince Andrew has made a donation as part of the confidential settlement.

Her husband Robert – a martial arts expert who is reported to work on the “fringes of the fashion industry” – was last week seen leaving the family’s white-painted property to buy supplies of beer and food, while his wife remained out of view. The Telegraph could not confirm whether the couple were currently in regular paid employment.

But it is clear that it was Robert, an Australian native, who saved Giuffre when they fell in love and married, just 10 days later, in Thailand in 2002, after Epstein paid for her to fly to the country to do a massage course. And it is Robert who has been fundamental in supporting his wife during her decade fighting for both justice and other victims of sexual predators.

The couple first set up their new life together in the Central Coast of New South Wales where they started a family and made a home for 11 years. The family were reported to have relocated to the United States in November 2013, initially living in Florida, and later in Colorado.

Six years later, the family returned to Australia, basing themselves in Cairns, a popular gateway to the Great Barrier Reef, before their latest move to Western Australia.

Giuffre has never confirmed why she chose to make her home in a state comprised mostly of arid outback, and at the furthest point away from where she had previously settled in Queensland. But she was certainly delighted by the purchase, marking the family’s delight with a smiling Instagram post in front of a “Sold” sign.

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The estate agent who sold Giuffre the family’s beachside property in December 2020 told The Telegraph that the area is “very community-based and close-knit”.

Certainly, the relaxed, some say sleepy lifestyle in sunny Ocean Reef is a world away from the tense arguments that would have been playing out behind closed doors between legal teams in recent weeks.

“A lot of people joke they are happy to live and die here because you don’t ever need to leave Ocean Reef,” says Pauline Lyon of Peard Real Estate. “Over here, you’re on another planet. That’s the reason why a lot of people come to Western Australia – they can see how easy our lives have been without all the lockdowns, due to our strict border controls.”

So what now for Virginia Giuffre? Despite having struck a deal with the Duke, there is little chance of her legal battles ending any time soon. Alan Dershowitz, Epstein’s former lawyer, is currently being sued by Giuffre for defamation; however, he denies all wrongdoing and is, in fact, counter-suing Giuffre. The constant legal bills must be eye-watering.

But at least she can pull up the drawbridge in Ocean Reef. With her children having settled into their new schools, it seems unlikely she’d uproot them for one of the more fancy, exclusive suburbs closer to the city, such as Cottesloe or Peppermint Grove.

“Staying put means she can certainly just stay under the radar,” says one Perth media expert. “She doesn’t seem to be seeking a lifestyle where she mixes in trendy restaurants and boutiques with the local mining magnates and celebrities.”

Under the radar for now, perhaps – but with up to £12 million heading in her direction after bringing down a Duke, a victorious Giuffre could soon have an unofficial royal title among the locals: ‘The Duchess of Ocean Reef’.

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Prince Andrew has a "dear friend" called Keith Gleed.

Look him up.

How many pervy friends can one man have?

Verdi wrote:So what now for Virginia Giuffre? Despite having struck a deal with the Duke, there is little chance of her legal battles ending any time soon. Alan Dershowitz, Epstein’s former lawyer, is currently being sued by Giuffre for defamation; however, he denies all wrongdoing and is, in fact, counter-suing Giuffre. The constant legal bills must be eye-watering.

Under the radar for now, perhaps – but with up to £12 million heading in her direction after bringing down a Duke, a victorious Giuffre could soon have an unofficial royal title among the locals: ‘The Duchess of Ocean Reef’.

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So after she eats the money from Andy who'll be the next to sue.

20 years sentence for Maxwell.

I wonder if she will name names now? Or would that cause her to be suicided? Its hard to believe that P. A. was the biggest fish in that pond, imo.