Re: Mark Saunokonoko: UK police guilty of flawed tunnel vision in hunt for Maddie McCann answers, former top cop says

by Cheshire Cat 15.05.17 19:07

Get'emGonçalo wrote:
aquila wrote:The main thing to me is the total absence of UK media doing anything.
There may come a time when they have to.

Maybe. Hopefully.

Colins original interview was on Sky and his comments were certainly reproduced in The Mail.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4467832/Met-interested-proving-McCann-parents-innocent.html

by coati mundi 15.05.17 21:41

I agree with Tony, GeG and others who have given qualified approval to what Colin Sutton has done.

Of course it is not in the UK MSM. Who of them would touch it? They are either suborned or in fear of retribution in the form of legal action.

It is important that this is out there and it does help to undermine the official narrative. Distances are now no longer what they were because of the internet, and this article could just as well have been published on our doorstep as half a world away. if people choose to look.

We shouldn't carp about what he hasn't done, but give a guarded welcome to what he has, and see what develops as a result. He may not have let the cat quite out of the bag, but perhaps we can now see it wriggling inside.

All IMO, still hoping for justice

by Verdi 16.05.17 0:53

No wonder Colin wisely chose not to return back to this forum

Why did 'Colin' wisely chose not to return back [sic] to this forum - because some members are sceptics and are looking for answers?

A former Metropolitan Police officer shouldn't be intimidated by a little confrontation, surely that's par for the course for one of her majesty's esteemed servants?

He made a claim, he needs to defend his position rather than hiding behind an alleged telephone call that will never be verified and his own blogspot. Put yer money where yer mouth is Sutton - this is all about a little three year old child that disappeared off the face of the earth ten years ago, not your ego or pension supplement. If you can't put-up you shouldn't have ever put yourself forward in the first place.

by skyrocket 16.05.17 8:37

What is all this haranguing of Colin Sutton hoping to achieve? Why on earth should/would he come back here and get involved in some pointless discussion which, inevitably, will end up as a one-sided slanging match?

Regardless of his personal motivation etc, the fact remains that Colin is a retired senior Met detective, with years of experience of serious crime investigation, who has spoken out and slated Operation Grange. Whichever way I think this through I can't come up with a scenario whereby the position he has taken is going to be turned around to discredit the anti-abduction stance - am I missing something; is that the fear here amongst some members? If not, then why not just take his official confirmation of irregularity with thanks and good humour?

by Doug D 16.05.17 8:47

Mirage:

Bottom line, evidence was needed to voice his suspicions.

That came in the form of....

A. The Supreme Court ruling that clearly stated the McCanns had not been cleared.

And....

B. Mark Rowley's admission they had not investigated the McCanns because all that had been done by the Portuguese investigation.

At a stroke, the two ends of the Gordian knot were revealed and the McCann bandwagon unleashed.

Sutton’s article damning OG in the Mirror supplement was dated 22^nd April, a couple of days before Rowley’s statement was released, which seemed to make Rowley’s ‘confession’ all the more amazing.

It may have been pre-recorded though and Sutton may have already seen it.

......................

Yes, it might be nice for Sutton to give a name to this senior officer in order to apply more pressure, but Rowley has confirmed that the OG remit was effectively corrupt, so another senior officer confirming the same thing isn't going to advance matters, even if it would open up another corridor.

by princess_leia 16.05.17 8:55

aquila wrote:
pennylane wrote:Excellent article by Mark Saunokonoko.
Keep up the pressure Mr Sutton, you are doing a superb job!
Keeping up the pressure in Australian media? how is that going to help?

Channel whatever who misquoted Pat Brown and Colin Sutton is not a Murdoch enterprise. Now we have Colin Sutton being quoted by channel9 which is a Murdoch enterprise. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

At the risk of being labelled something or other, what power does the Australian media have other than to accommodate Colin Sutton, who hasn't blown a whistle?

It's the UK media that matters - and they're doing nothing to secure justice for Madeleine McCann.

With respect.

I agree the UK media is what matter most, but whilst we sit around waiting another 10, 20, or 30 years for half decent journalism in this country then surely it is better to have people like this than nothing at all. There is obviously a lid on it in the UK, if other countries are willing to allow reports that aren't full of pink fluff then this is a good thing in my opinion. What purpose does it serve? It will make people think, the more people who think, the better.

Just like Colin Sutton, many people will now have seen or read what he had to say, people who perhaps had limited knowledge of the case, here you have an Ex high level detective, who suggests something is not quite right.

It could lead to nothing at all, but it could also lead to the masses saying NO MORE!

by Sceptic 16.05.17 8:55

He made a claim, he needs to defend his position rather than hiding behind an alleged telephone call that will never be verified and his own blogspot

No he doesn't

by plebgate 16.05.17 8:58

Of course Top Brass could always make comment but they haven't.

by pennylane 16.05.17 14:17

plebgate wrote:Of course Top Brass could always make comment but they haven't.

No and they won't (imo) because thanks to Colin Sutton's MSM exposé, Mark Rowley, the Asst Commissioner for Specialist Operations, has been forced to publicly admit on National TV, that his band of merry men have never so much as questioned the McCanns or the tapas 7 (as the nation gasps in horror); and he further amateurishly confirms a fear of starting rumours. Oh really????? In yet Operation Grange have openly named countless innocent people both dead and alive, without a second thought as to the negative impact on them and their families lives.

Funny old world when the two most likely culprits, with major discrepancies in their stories, whose apartment and hire care were the only places hit on by the blood and cadaver dogs, are strictly off limits... whilst everyone else is fair game!

by sar 16.05.17 14:44

coati mundi wrote:I agree with Tony, GeG and others who have given qualified approval to what Colin Sutton has done.

Of course it is not in the UK MSM. Who of them would touch it? They are either suborned or in fear of retribution in the form of legal action.

It is important that this is out there and it does help to undermine the official narrative. Distances are now no longer what they were because of the internet, and this article could just as well have been published on our doorstep as half a world away. if people choose to look.

We shouldn't carp about what he hasn't done, but give a guarded welcome to what he has, and see what develops as a result. He may not have let the cat quite out of the bag, but perhaps we can now see it wriggling inside.

All IMO, still hoping for justice

+1 coati mundi

by JRP 16.05.17 14:46

pennylane wrote:
plebgate wrote:Of course Top Brass could always make comment but they haven't.

No and they won't (imo) because thanks to Colin Sutton's MSM exposé, Mark Rowley, the Asst Commissioner for Specialist Operations, has been forced to publicly admit on National TV, that his band of merry men have never so much as questioned the McCanns or the tapas 7 (as the nation gasps in horror); and he further amateurishly confirms a fear of starting rumours. Oh really????? In yet Operation Grange have openly named countless innocent people both dead and alive, without a second thought as to the negative impact on them and their families lives.

Funny old world when the two most likely culprits, with major discrepancies in their stories, whose apartment and hire care were the only places hit on by the blood and cadaver dogs, are strictly off limits whilst everyone else is fair game!

Oh and a flower bed outside the apartment... and Kate's check cadaver trousers, a cadaver blouse, Cuddlecat, wasn't there an item of Madeleine's clothes too?

by pennylane 16.05.17 14:48

JRP wrote:
pennylane wrote:
plebgate wrote:Of course Top Brass could always make comment but they haven't.

No and they won't (imo) because thanks to Colin Sutton's MSM exposé, Mark Rowley, the Asst Commissioner for Specialist Operations, has been forced to publicly admit on National TV, that his band of merry men have never so much as questioned the McCanns or the tapas 7 (as the nation gasps in horror); and he further amateurishly confirms a fear of starting rumours. Oh really????? In yet Operation Grange have openly named countless innocent people both dead and alive, without a second thought as to the negative impact on them and their families lives.

Funny old world when the two most likely culprits, with major discrepancies in their stories, whose apartment and hire care were the only places hit on by the blood and cadaver dogs, are strictly off limits whilst everyone else is fair game!

Oh and a flower bed outside the apartment... and Kate's check cadaver trousers, a cadaver blouse, Cuddlecat, wasn't there an item of Madeleine's clothes too?

Yes indeed JRP, and also their key fob!

by sar 16.05.17 14:55

pennylane wrote:
JRP wrote:
pennylane wrote:
plebgate wrote:Of course Top Brass could always make comment but they haven't.

No and they won't (imo) because thanks to Colin Sutton's MSM exposé, Mark Rowley, the Asst Commissioner for Specialist Operations, has been forced to publicly admit on National TV, that his band of merry men have never so much as questioned the McCanns or the tapas 7 (as the nation gasps in horror); and he further amateurishly confirms a fear of starting rumours. Oh really????? In yet Operation Grange have openly named countless innocent people both dead and alive, without a second thought as to the negative impact on them and their families lives.

Funny old world when the two most likely culprits, with major discrepancies in their stories, whose apartment and hire care were the only places hit on by the blood and cadaver dogs, are strictly off limits whilst everyone else is fair game!

Oh and a flower bed outside the apartment... and Kate's check cadaver trousers, a cadaver blouse, Cuddlecat, wasn't there an item of Madeleine's clothes too?
Yes indeed JRP, and also their key fob!

what an ensemble!! May be it will catch on for spring / summer?

by Doug D 16.05.17 19:59

STM have got a Sutton thread up now:

https://stopthemyths.info/viewtopic.php?f=149&p=330425#p330425

‘Does Mr.Sutton really believe that the Portuguese and Operation Grange Met officers didn't look at the McCanns as "closest first"?’

…………………………….

Conveniently not noticing that Rowley has actually confirmed it as regards OG!

Well it is STM after all.

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