Re: Goncalo Amaral claims ‘MI5 hid Madeleine McCann’s body in cover-up after her parents killed her’ - The IDENTICAL THEORY that Richard D Hall propounds in his latest Maddie documentary: 'WHY THE COVER-UP?

by **Tony Bennett** 24.04.17 7:55

coati mundi wrote:Whilst I understand why people are bemused by the apparent cover up...

The speedy and continuing government involvement was and is, I think, because of fear of the media...I cannot see any real evidence for the dark forces of the state to have been involved in what happened initially.

@ coati mundi    Could I please ask you to review your opinion after reading the list below? - thanks. Also, can I ask if you have viewed Richard Hall's new film: 'Why the Cover-Up yet? - thanks again.

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THE PEOPLE WHO RUSHED OUT TO PRAIA DA LUZ AFTER 3 MAY 2007 AND BY FRIDAY 11 MAY 2007

This summarises a list of those known to have rushed out to Praia da Luz after 3 May 2007 (or on the case of Resonate and Robert Murat, BEFORE then). Dates of arrival given where known, all before Thursday May 10 unless otherwise stated

Government officials

Robert Henderson – British Consul for the Algarve – immediate (persuaded Portuguese Police to allow the McCanns to wash clothes before seizing them)

John Buck – British Ambassador to Portugal (Lisbon), arrived immediately

Angela Morado – British Proconsul, arrived immediately

Liz Dow, British Consul rom the Embassy in Lisbon, arrived immediately

Andy Bowes, British Embassy Press Officer, arrived immediately

Sheree Dodd, Foreign and Commonwealth Office

Other staff from the Foreign and Commonwealth Office

British Police Officers

Glen Power, British Police Liaison Officer for Portugal, arrived 5 May

An ‘Analyst’ (unnamed) from the National Policing Improvements Agency, arrived 4 May

Detective Chief Superintendent Bob Small, Leicestershire Police

Two other police ‘family liaison’ officers from Leicestershire Police

Government security and secret service personnel

Staff from MI5 (unnamed)

Staff from Child Exploitation and OnLine Protection Service (unnamed – Kate McCann in her book describes them As ‘Forensic Psychologists’), arrived 4 May

More staff from CEOP, the ‘Director of the Forensic Psychology Unit’ AND a CEOP ‘social worker’ (arrived 6 May)

Staff from Special Branch (unnamed)

‘Criminal profilers’ (unnamed - attached to unnamed government security departments)

Government-funded private security firms

Kenneth Farrow from Control Risks Group

Michael Keenan from Control Risks Group

Staff from government-supported private crisis psychology group

Alan Pike, Head of Yorkshire-based Centre for Crisis Psychology (CCP) (arrived 4 May)

Martin Alderton, Colleague of Alan Pike from CCP (arrived 5 May)

Public Relations Consultants

Michael Frolich, Head of Resonate, subsidiary of international PR company Bell Pottinger (already there by Monday 30 April)

Tricia Moon, Deputy Director of Resonate, (already there by Monday 30 April)

Alex Woolfall, Head of Risk for international PR company Bell Pottinger, arrived 4 May (helped to edit Gerry McCann’s photos before putting them on a disc for the PJ)

Lawyers

Staff from the recently-formed International Family Law Group (IFLG):

Michael Nicholls, barrister, arrived 11 May

Accompanied by a ‘paralegal’ from Leicestershire, arrived 11 May

There are references to other government lawyers having arrived

Top staff from Mark Warner (company that organised the holiday)

David Hopkins, Managing Director of Mark Warner

One of his senior colleagues

Interpreters

Robert Murat became the initial main interpreter for the Portuguese Police on 4 May. He had already flown out from England on 1 May. He was recommended by British Consul Robert Henderson

Religious Organisations

Rev. Haynes and Susan Hubbard mysteriously arrived in Praia da Luz from Canada on Sunday 6 May, to take up an appointment as the Anglican Minister in Praia da Luz. The Hubbards rapidly became very close friends of the Mccanns

Others

‘Hugh’ – Kate in her book says he would only identify himself as ‘Hugh’, he was brought in by Control Risks Group and said he was ‘a former intelligence officer, now a kidnap negotiator and counsellor’. He attended meeting with the lawyers from IFLG

OTHER APPOINTMENTS

Clarence Mitchell, Head of the government’s Media Monitoring Unit: According to the reply to a Freedom of Information request, he was appointed on Sunday 6 May to head up the government’s PR support for the McCanns, but he did not travel to Portugal until 22 May 2007

The government set up a very high-powered liaison committee on Tuesday 8 May under the Chairmanship of Matt Baggott, Leicestershire Police Chief Constable. It consisted of representatives from a wide variety of government departments and agencies. The government has refused to answer FoIAct questions about who those agencies were.

Government Ministers Gordon Brown (Chancellor of the Exchequer) and Margaret Beckett (Foreign Secretary) spoke to Gerry McCann in the first week. Tony Blair, Prime Minister, did so later.

Literally hundreds of international journalists were also there in that first week.

by ChippyM 24.04.17 8:23

coati mundi wrote:I really hope Snr Amaral didn't say that, but since it's in The Star I'd lay large odds-on that he didn't.

He didn't . As I wrote above, in the dire Australian stitch up he was asked about this Mi5 hiding a body theory and said 'I wouldn't say that much'.

They are totally twisting his words!

I think I would agree with others here on this forum that the UK press are baiting him to try and get a reaction.

by **Jill Havern** 24.04.17 9:14

Goncalo Amaral claims ‘MI5 hid Madeleine McCann’s body in cover-up after her parents killed her’ - The IDENTICAL THEORY that Richard D Hall propounds in his latest Maddie documentary: 'WHY THE COVER-UP? - Page 2 Pat_mo10

I posted this on facebook this morning and got this interesting comment.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/HiDeHoCONTROVERSYofMadeleineMcCann/permalink/801344013355423/

by **Tony Bennett** 24.04.17 9:54

Sorry, I may have lost a few sentences in trying to copy and paste this from the Mail article today.

But now the Mail, which is read by about 5-6 million every day, has mentioned a theory about what really happend to Madeleine McCann, in its headline, which mirrors almost exactly what Richard Hall says in his latest documentary.

And that's a fact.

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MI5 spies HID Madeleine McCann's body, claims Portuguese ex-detective who led hunt for her in explosive new documentary

Goncalo Amaral made the astonishing new claim in an Australian documentary
The former police chief said British secret agents 'for sure had an involvement'
Mr Amaral claimed that Madeleine died in 2007 and her parents covered it up
He would publish a book in 2008 making claims about Kate and Gerry McCann

By Alexander Robertson For Mailonline
Published: 07:10, 24 April 2017 | Updated: 07:14, 24 April 2017

Goncalo Amaral claims ‘MI5 hid Madeleine McCann’s body in cover-up after her parents killed her’ - The IDENTICAL THEORY that Richard D Hall propounds in his latest Maddie documentary: 'WHY THE COVER-UP? - Page 2 3F8B04A300000578-4439068-image-a-5_1493013779180

A former police chief claimed MI5 covered up the death of Madeleine McCann (pictured)

A former police chief has sensationally claimed that MI5 helped to cover up the death and disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Goncalo Amaral, who was the original lead investigator in the case, made the astonishing claim in an Australian documentary which aired last night.
The Portuguese detective said he believed that British secret agents 'for sure had an involvement' when Maddie went missing at the age of 3 in 2007.
He claimed MI5 helped to hide the body of the youngster and that even former British Prime Minister Gordon Brown was involved in the cover up.

The documentary also suggested that a new key witness - who worked at the Praia da Luz resort at the time of Maddie's disappearance - was being sought.
One theory put forward by a professor is that the youngster was run over by a motorist, who then hid her body in one of the resort's 600 wells.
Producers billed the show as a 'landmark television event', prompting the McCanns to ask the documentary-makers to hand over any 'credible' evidence to police.
A spokesman had said: 'If the Australian TV show contains any credible, fresh lines of inquiry they should, of course, have been given immediately to the police.
Goncalo Amaral claims ‘MI5 hid Madeleine McCann’s body in cover-up after her parents killed her’ - The IDENTICAL THEORY that Richard D Hall propounds in his latest Maddie documentary: 'WHY THE COVER-UP? - Page 2 3F8CDEB500000578-4439068-image-m-2_1493013678822

Goncalo Amaral, who was the original lead investigator in the case, made the astonishing claim in an Australian documentary which aired last night.

Kate and Gerry McCann had urged the documentary-makers to hand over their evidence to police ‘immediately'.

Mr Amaral worked on the case when Maddie went missing from the apartment the McCanns were staying in in Praia da Luz as Kate and Gerry ate dinner with friends.

He was moved off the case and resigned six months later but wrote his book using police files as he put forward a theory she had died in the apartment.

The McCanns took legal action, saying there was no evidence and his work was defamatory.

The appeal hearing in Lisbon which ruled against the McCanns was held in private.

Mr Amaral, 56, who the McCanns first sued for libel in June 2009, won the lengthy legal fight after judges decided he had the 'right to freedom of expression'.

A spokesman for the McCanns has dismissed the Australian documentary, adding that it revealed nothing 'new' about the case.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4439068/Maddie-McCann-s-body-hid-MI5-spies-claims-police-chief.html#ixzz4f9ZMZysN
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by ChippyM 24.04.17 9:59

What is meant by a 'nuclear building'?

I'm sceptical of a nuclear power plant being built in such a small place and no-one noticing!

According to WIKI :

"Nuclear energy in Portugal is very limited and strictly non-commercial. Portugal has one 1MW research reactor located in the National Nuclear Research Centre at Sacavem. Further nuclear energy activities are not planned in the near future. Other nuclear activities include medical applications such as radiology, radiotherapy and nuclear medicine, as well as use of industrial radioactive sources.''

by ChippyM 24.04.17 10:06

People are falling for the Daily Mail headline , hook line and sinker!

- Oh, Goncalo: all your previous theories had sounded quite logical but this new one, well, you've really jumped the shark! If you had said that a spaceship came down and snatched her, that would have been more plausible.

- Amaral now sounds delusional, and to portray this as new evidence is a sick showbiz stunt. How sad.

- This man is obviously mental deranged and needs treatment. How on earth could any court even in Portugal find in his favour. Even his bosses saw his problems and took him off the case.

- All this speculation is getting ridiculously out of hand! Next we'll be told an alien space ship was involved!

by **Jill Havern** 24.04.17 10:08

ChippyM wrote:What is meant by a 'nuclear building'?

I'm sceptical of a nuclear power plant being built in such a small place and no-one noticing!

According to WIKI :

"Nuclear energy in Portugal is very limited and strictly non-commercial. Portugal has one 1MW research reactor located in the National Nuclear Research Centre at Sacavem. Further nuclear energy activities are not planned in the near future. Other nuclear activities include medical applications such as radiology, radiotherapy and nuclear medicine, as well as use of industrial radioactive sources.''

This is oddyfinder's twitter account and there's lots of photos on there. https://twitter.com/oddityfinder

Looks like it's Rocha Negra.

by ChippyM 24.04.17 10:19

Get'emGonçalo wrote:
ChippyM wrote:What is meant by a 'nuclear building'?

I'm sceptical of a nuclear power plant being built in such a small place and no-one noticing!

According to WIKI :

"Nuclear energy in Portugal is very limited and strictly non-commercial. Portugal has one 1MW research reactor located in the National Nuclear Research Centre at Sacavem. Further nuclear energy activities are not planned in the near future. Other nuclear activities include medical applications such as radiology, radiotherapy and nuclear medicine, as well as use of industrial radioactive sources.''
This is oddyfinder's twitter account and there's lots of photos on there. https://twitter.com/oddityfinder

Looks like it's Rocha Negra.

I'm not really sure what they're getting at. Doesn't seem very credible to me. They think an area of sand which could be a quarry or carpark is a 'Scientific space project'???

"Research pictures shows Rocha Negra summit was possibly area of scientific space project in 2007''

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RESPONSE BY A MOD: This is a re-hash of the nonsense posted by Ben Salmon = 'April 28th' about Rocha Negra here a few months ago, is it not? It is a diversion - Mod

by **Tony Bennett** 24.04.17 10:22

ChippyM wrote:People are falling for the Daily Mail headline , hook line and sinker!

- Oh, Goncalo: all your previous theories had sounded quite logical but this new one, well, you've really jumped the shark! If you had said that a spaceship came down and snatched her, that would have been more plausible.

- Amaral now sounds delusional, and to portray this as new evidence is a sick showbiz stunt. How sad.

- This man is obviously mental deranged and needs treatment. How on earth could any court even in Portugal find in his favour. Even his bosses saw his problems and took him off the case.

- All this speculation is getting ridiculously out of hand! Next we'll be told an alien space ship was involved!

@ Chippy M There is really only one antidote to all this, and that is for people to be exposed to the hard facts about the heavy involvement of MI5 and various shadowy government security services in this case from Day One.

Now that Goncalo is on the record as pointing at least to government involvement in the cover-up, if not actually hiding Madeleine's body, the people of Britain need to be pointed urgently in the direction of the three places in the world which most reveal the extent of the government cover-up operation:

1. Various threads on CMOMM (starting with 'The People Who Rushed out to Praia da Luz'),

2. Richard Hall's films, notably Part 4 of 'Buried' and the whole of 'Madeleine: Why The Cover-Up, and

3. The two books, 'The Truth of the Lie' and 'The English Gag', by Goncalo Amaral.

The word must get out urgently that MI5 are up to their necks in this matter.

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by RosieandSam 24.04.17 10:29

I have found 7 Tweets from @Oddityfinder referring to a nuclear station built on Rocha Negra

https://twitter.com/oddityfinder/status/853293813988823041

https://twitter.com/oddityfinder/status/854750531205648384

https://twitter.com/oddityfinder/status/854326862625087489

https://twitter.com/oddityfinder/status/853293813988823041

https://twitter.com/oddityfinder/status/842745310598352897

https://twitter.com/oddityfinder/status/842742608854237184

https://twitter.com/oddityfinder/status/853279311931027462

and a photo found in a geocaching magazine (linked to phone pings)

https://twitter.com/oddityfinder/status/854321783297769472

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FURTHER RESPONSE BY A MOD: This is a re-hash of the nonsense posted by Ben Salmon = 'April 28th' about Rocha Negra here a few months ago, is it not? It is a diversion - Mod

by pennylane 24.04.17 10:32

ChippyM wrote:
coati mundi wrote:I really hope Snr Amaral didn't say that, but since it's in The Star I'd lay large odds-on that he didn't.

He didn't . As I wrote above, in the dire Australian stitch up he was asked about this Mi5 hiding a body theory and said 'I wouldn't say that much'.

They are totally twisting his words!

I think I would agree with others here on this forum that the UK press are baiting him to try and get a reaction.

Of course they are twisting his words, they are cold hearted liars with a sleazy agenda, and there's an ongoing collaborated intent to mislead the public re Maddie's fate.

I'm glad Pat Brown is going to sue! I hope she shouts it from the rooftops how these grotesque journalists constantly twist and distort facts in favor of the McCanns! We've had 10 deceit-ridden years of xenophobia and misreporting on this case.

I recall way back, when James Murray was tweeting from the Lisbon Courtroom during the Amaral trial, you could parallel his tweets with Anne Guedes, and starkly see his omissions on anything that favored Goncalo Amaral, which most of it did! It was a very bad day for the McCanns, but you wouldn't have known it by Murray's reporting. It was truly shocking how adept he was during his live tweets, at rapidly dropping a convenient word or two, or indeed an entire sentence, in order to alter the context in favor of the McCanns.

I admire Pat Brown for standing up for herself, and hope she wins big! I very much wish her every success in her lawsuit. roses

by Irene 2 24.04.17 10:34

Tony Bennett wrote:Sorry, I may have lost a few sentences in trying to copy and paste this from the Mail article today.

But now the Mail, which is read by about 5-6 million every day, has mentioned a theory about what really happend to Madeleine McCann, in its headline, which mirrors almost exactly what Richard Hall says in his latest documentary.

And that's a fact.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

MI5 spies HID Madeleine McCann's body, claims Portuguese ex-detective who led hunt for her in explosive new documentary

Goncalo Amaral made the astonishing new claim in an Australian documentary
The former police chief said British secret agents 'for sure had an involvement'
Mr Amaral claimed that Madeleine died in 2007 and her parents covered it up
He would publish a book in 2008 making claims about Kate and Gerry McCann

By Alexander Robertson For Mailonline
Published: 07:10, 24 April 2017 | Updated: 07:14, 24 April 2017

A former police chief claimed MI5 covered up the death of Madeleine McCann (pictured)

A former police chief has sensationally claimed that MI5 helped to cover up the death and disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Goncalo Amaral, who was the original lead investigator in the case, made the astonishing claim in an Australian documentary which aired last night.
The Portuguese detective said he believed that British secret agents 'for sure had an involvement' when Maddie went missing at the age of 3 in 2007.
He claimed MI5 helped to hide the body of the youngster and that even former British Prime Minister Gordon Brown was involved in the cover up.

The documentary also suggested that a new key witness - who worked at the Praia da Luz resort at the time of Maddie's disappearance - was being sought.
One theory put forward by a professor is that the youngster was run over by a motorist, who then hid her body in one of the resort's 600 wells.
Producers billed the show as a 'landmark television event', prompting the McCanns to ask the documentary-makers to hand over any 'credible' evidence to police.
A spokesman had said: 'If the Australian TV show contains any credible, fresh lines of inquiry they should, of course, have been given immediately to the police.

Goncalo Amaral, who was the original lead investigator in the case, made the astonishing claim in an Australian documentary which aired last night.

Kate and Gerry McCann had urged the documentary-makers to hand over their evidence to police ‘immediately'.

Mr Amaral worked on the case when Maddie went missing from the apartment the McCanns were staying in in Praia da Luz as Kate and Gerry ate dinner with friends.

He was moved off the case and resigned six months later but wrote his book using police files as he put forward a theory she had died in the apartment.

The McCanns took legal action, saying there was no evidence and his work was defamatory.

The appeal hearing in Lisbon which ruled against the McCanns was held in private.

Mr Amaral, 56, who the McCanns first sued for libel in June 2009, won the lengthy legal fight after judges decided he had the 'right to freedom of expression'.

A spokesman for the McCanns has dismissed the Australian documentary, adding that it revealed nothing 'new' about the case.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4439068/Maddie-McCann-s-body-hid-MI5-spies-claims-police-chief.html#ixzz4f9ZMZysN
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"A spokesman for the McCanns has dismissed the Australian documentary, adding that it revealed nothing 'new' about the case."

Correct. MI5 were involved.
At last the lid is off that fact now.

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Absolutely. And amidst everything else, let us all remember that the source of those wretched e-fits which have caused so much deliberate confusion in this case were manufactured by none other than Henri Exton, formerly the HEAD of MI5's Covert Intelligence Unit - a fact that is very much on the record - Mod

by ChippyM 24.04.17 10:37

pennylane wrote:
ChippyM wrote:
coati mundi wrote:I really hope Snr Amaral didn't say that, but since it's in The Star I'd lay large odds-on that he didn't.

He didn't . As I wrote above, in the dire Australian stitch up he was asked about this Mi5 hiding a body theory and said 'I wouldn't say that much'.

They are totally twisting his words!

I think I would agree with others here on this forum that the UK press are baiting him to try and get a reaction.
Of course they are twisting his words, they are cold hearted liars with a sleazy agenda, and there's an ongoing collaborated intent to mislead the public re Maddie's fate.

I'm glad Pat Brown is going to sue! I hope she shouts it from the rooftops how these grotesque journalists constantly twist and distort facts in favor of the McCanns! We've had 10 deceit-ridden years of xenophobia and misreporting on this case.

I recall even when James Murray was tweeting from the Lisbon Courtroom during the Amaral trial, you could parallel his tweets with Anne Guedes, and starkly see his omissions on anything that favored Goncalo Amaral, which most of it did! It was a very bad day for the McCanns, but you wouldn't have known it by Murray's reporting. It was truly shocking how adept he was during his live tweets, at rapidly dropping a convenient word or two, or indeed an entire sentence, in order to alter the context in favor of the McCanns.

I admire Pat Brown for standing up for herself, and hope she wins big! I very much wish her every success in her lawsuit.

I wish Amaral would sue. They have blatantly attributed something to him which were not his words.

However, I'm sure he has his own strategy that he is sticking to and will not just react to the gutter press.

by RosieandSam 24.04.17 10:42

@ChippyM

I think this summary post (on Jill's "Abuse of Power" blog) is worth a re-read before you totally dismiss the involvement of MI5/MI6.

http://gerrymccan-abuseofpower-humanrights.blogspot.co.uk/2016/10/evidence-of-direct-involvement-of-mi5.html

by ChippyM 24.04.17 10:50

RosieandSam wrote:@ChippyM

I think this summary post (on Jill's "Abuse of Power" blog) is worth a re-read before you totally dismiss the involvement of MI5/MI6.

http://gerrymccan-abuseofpower-humanrights.blogspot.co.uk/2016/10/evidence-of-direct-involvement-of-mi5.html

I think we may have a crossed wire. I don't doubt the involvement of Mi5 in the case as a whole. I was just clarifying what G. Amaral did and didn't say in the Australian farce with regards to MI5 'hiding a body'.

by pennylane 24.04.17 10:51

ChippyM wrote:
pennylane wrote:
ChippyM wrote:
coati mundi wrote:I really hope Snr Amaral didn't say that, but since it's in The Star I'd lay large odds-on that he didn't.

He didn't . As I wrote above, in the dire Australian stitch up he was asked about this Mi5 hiding a body theory and said 'I wouldn't say that much'.

They are totally twisting his words!

I think I would agree with others here on this forum that the UK press are baiting him to try and get a reaction.
Of course they are twisting his words, they are cold hearted liars with a sleazy agenda, and there's an ongoing collaborated intent to mislead the public re Maddie's fate.

I'm glad Pat Brown is going to sue! I hope she shouts it from the rooftops how these grotesque journalists constantly twist and distort facts in favor of the McCanns! We've had 10 deceit-ridden years of xenophobia and misreporting on this case.

I recall even when James Murray was tweeting from the Lisbon Courtroom during the Amaral trial, you could parallel his tweets with Anne Guedes, and starkly see his omissions on anything that favored Goncalo Amaral, which most of it did! It was a very bad day for the McCanns, but you wouldn't have known it by Murray's reporting. It was truly shocking how adept he was during his live tweets, at rapidly dropping a convenient word or two, or indeed an entire sentence, in order to alter the context in favor of the McCanns.

I admire Pat Brown for standing up for herself, and hope she wins big! I very much wish her every success in her lawsuit.

I wish Amaral would sue. They have blatantly attributed something to him which were not his words.

However, I'm sure he has his own strategy that he is sticking to and will not just react to the gutter press.

At the moment I don't think GA intends to sue, as he has said more than once that he would have to be back and forth to the UK, and he isn't keen. Hopefully he can spend time writing another book regarding this case, which I'm very much looking forward to!

by RosieandSam 24.04.17 10:54

RosieandSam wrote:I have found 7 Tweets from @Oddityfinder referring to a nuclear station built on Rocha Negra

https://twitter.com/oddityfinder/status/853293813988823041

https://twitter.com/oddityfinder/status/854750531205648384

https://twitter.com/oddityfinder/status/854326862625087489

https://twitter.com/oddityfinder/status/853293813988823041

https://twitter.com/oddityfinder/status/842745310598352897

https://twitter.com/oddityfinder/status/842742608854237184

https://twitter.com/oddityfinder/status/853279311931027462

and a photo found in a geocaching magazine (linked to phone pings)

https://twitter.com/oddityfinder/status/854321783297769472

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FURTHER RESPONSE BY A MOD: This is a re-hash of the nonsense posted by Ben Salmon = 'April 28th' about Rocha Negra here a few months ago, is it not? It is a diversion - Mod

To the Mod:

I have no idea. I simply followed the link to @Oddityfinder on Twitter (given above by GEG) and thought it would save members time if I trawled through the TL and found the pertinent tweets.

My post does not endorse, dismiss or even discuss the authenticity or validity of the photos posted.

You (Mod) may think it is a diversion, but the owner of this forum brought the discussion over from facebook so I understood that she would want us to explore/find out what was said by @Oddityfinder.

I sought to short-cut the process for everyone - nothing more and nothing less.

by ChippyM 24.04.17 10:56

@ PennyLane.

I do hope he is writing another book. It must be really galling to have all this awful stuff directed at you and then just try and keep a dignified silence.

by RosieandSam 24.04.17 11:12

ChippyM wrote:
RosieandSam wrote:@ChippyM

I think this summary post (on Jill's "Abuse of Power" blog) is worth a re-read before you totally dismiss the involvement of MI5/MI6.

http://gerrymccan-abuseofpower-humanrights.blogspot.co.uk/2016/10/evidence-of-direct-involvement-of-mi5.html

I think we may have a crossed wire. I don't doubt the involvement of Mi5 in the case as a whole. I was just clarifying what G. Amaral did and didn't say in the Australian farce with regards to MI5 'hiding a body'.

Then I do apologise @ChippyM - that was clearly my misunderstanding.

I do agree though that GA's words have been twisted to suggest that HE believes that MI5 actually hid Madeleine's body.

But we have seen a lot of 'twisting of words' this weekend - according to Pat Brown and Colin Sutton.

Rhani Sadler has a lot to answer for ..... she simply fed the UK media with enough supercilious information and discreditation about Madeline's disappearance for them to find enough headlines from now until May 3rd 2017. And, in the process, she hurt the reputations of those who trusted her to report the truth.

Thanks to Hi-De-Ho for preserving the promotional video:

Madeleine: FB Live Promo of Controversial 'Sunday Night' Program

by sallypelt 24.04.17 11:35

This is an excellent link, where Dr Amaral answers questions put to him, from different sources. These interviews go back to 2008, and comes up to February 2016, yet nowhere, down the years, has Dr Amaral, been anything other than dignified. He talks about the McCanns with compassion.
I have to go out into for a few hours, but for those who haven't seen this site, there is enough to keep you busy for a while. thumbsup

https://mmknowthetruth.blogspot.co.uk/2017_02_16_archive.html?m=0

by **Hobs** 24.04.17 11:42

The McCanns had earlier explained that there was only an hour in which their daughter disappeared, since Mr McCann had seen her sleeping in the villa's front room at 9.05pm and when her mother went to check at 10pm she was gone and the locked window was wide open.

Except they conveniently forget to mention that
matt oldfield had allegedly done kate's check at 9.30pm and reported everything was fine.

The problem here is that matt could not have seen what he claimed to have seen in the mccann apartment, he described a different apartment altogether.

Then kate helpfully put her foot in it by claiming the door was open wider that they had left it despite the claim matt had done a check on them which presumably meant he would have opened the door to make sure they were alright, unless of course he went to the kate mccann school of checking, in which case he went into the apartment, listened, didn't hear anything and then left the apartment.

They also have another problem in that by claiming the alleged abductor had an hour between gerry's check and kate's check, they also ignore tanner's alleged sighting of the alleged abductor carrying Maddie away immediately after gerry's check whist gerry and Jez Wilkins are having a chat in the street as tanner walks past them, seeing them and the alleged abductor whilst neither gerry nor Wilkins see or hear tanner, despite it being an empty street and quiet.
Nor does gerry or Jez make any mention of the sound of shutters being raised which would have been clearly audible given thye time of night and location.

it smacks almost of desperation to widen the possible time in order for the alleged abductor to commit said alleged crime rather than the known time they claimed for so long which was approximately 2 mins give or take 2 mins :)

The problem with lying, especially over such a long period of time, is remember what you said happened/didn't happen and to whom.

They cannot keep track of their own lies with a result all the contradictions become apparant, thus this is how criminals get caught.

it looks like the Aussie programme is a rehash of cobbled together interviews and statements which haven't been questioned, rather taken at face value and it shows.
it smacks of jumping on the anniversary bandwagon.

by RosieandSam 24.04.17 11:59

sallypelt wrote:This is an excellent link, where Dr Amaral answers questions put to him, from different sources. These interviews go back to 2008, and comes up to February 2016, yet nowhere, down the years, has Dr Amaral, been anything other than dignified. He talks about the McCanns with compassion.
I have to go out into for a few hours, but for those who haven't seen this site, there is enough to keep you busy for a while.
https://mmknowthetruth.blogspot.co.uk/2017_02_16_archive.html?m=0

Didn't 'Moz' from Maddie Case Files meet with GA and Sophia in Belgium (around that time)

I recall an exclusive interview where Sofia (who spoke English) interpreted between Moz and Dr Amaral.

[English was the 'common language' between 2 of the partipants but not a 1st language for any of them ]

by pennylane 24.04.17 12:20

ChippyM wrote:@ PennyLane.

I do hope he is writing another book. It must be really galling to have all this awful stuff directed at you and then just try and keep a dignified silence.

Indeed so Chippy!

I am rather concerned about the heading to this thread, as it appears Goncalo Amaral's words are being taken out of context re MI5 hiding the body? He has said MI5 were involved, but not that they hid the body as far as I know?

by Verdi 24.04.17 12:40

According to today's Daily Mail report, I quote..

The Portuguese detective said he believed that British secret agents 'for sure had an involvement' when Maddie went missing at the age of 3 in 2007.

He claimed MI5 helped to hide the body of the youngster and that even former British Prime Minister Gordon Brown was involved in the cover up.

The documentary also suggested that a new key witness - who worked at the Praia da Luz resort at the time of Maddie's disappearance - was being sought.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4439068/Maddie-McCann-s-body-hid-MI5-spies-claims-police-chief.html

Watch the video - Dr Amaral did not say that !!!

I can't waste anymore time on this bloody nonsense.

by Phoebe 24.04.17 12:46

British military intelligence were on covert operations in the region when Madeleine vanished. It makes perfect sense that there would have been cooperation with them in order to check out any underworld characters in the Algarve who might have been involved in an abduction or who could be fingered as a patsy. It also makes sense that care was taken not to pursue the investigation in any way which might compromise the already longstanding undercover work being done. I believe MI5 were kept fully informed of progress and conclusions reached and that they breathed a sigh of police when the British police "suddenly" upped sticks and abandoned Portugal shortly after the McCanns fled. The media's misreporting of Dr. Amaral with claims that he suggested MI5 masterminded the whole affair from the outset are having a very damaging effect on his credibility. The comments sections of various newspapers are awash with criticism and spreading claims that he is a deranged fantasist. This does not serve those seeking to highlight hard evidence showing that the Tapas 9 lied well, IMO.

Goncalo Amaral claims ‘MI5 hid Madeleine McCann’s body in cover-up after her parents killed her’ - The IDENTICAL THEORY that Richard D Hall propounds in his latest Maddie documentary: 'WHY THE COVER-UP?