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Post by NickE on 04.05.16 20:58



Carlos Anjos: 'I believe that there is clearly an attempt to exonerate the couple'



Short debate on the news that Scotland Yard is allegedly following a lead that presumes that Madeleine McCann was abducted by three Portuguese men. Rua Segura is a daily TV show broadcast by CMTV where criminal current issues are debated and analysed. On this episode the program had as guests Carlos Anjos, former PJ inspector and former head of the Criminal Investigation Officers' Union and André Ventura, University Law Professor & book author.

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Anchor Sara Carrilho - The thesis of abduction of Madeleine McCann by three Portuguese men is back on the table for the British authorities. The Judiciary Police however does not believe in that hypothesis which was already investigated two years ago.

Voice Over Joana Sales (news segment) - It's the last line of investigation concerning Maddie's disappearance. If it doesn't produce any results Scotland Yard will close the case nine (sic, 5) years after it started. The thesis of this new investigation is unknown, but English police sources believe that the possibility that the little 3-year-old girl was abducted during a burglary deserves a fresh look. This hypothesis surfaced in 2014. The Portuguese police constituted at the time three men as arguidos (suspects), José Carlos da Silva, 30 years old (sic, 39), Ricardo Rodrigues, 24 years old, and Paulo Ribeiro, 53 years old. One of the suspects worked at the Ocean Club resort where the McCann family were staying. He was in charge of accompanying the clients up to the apartments in Praia da Luz. The British police believes that this man together with the other two suspects assaulted the McCanns' apartment and upon seeing the little girl decided to take her. The English police suspicions have as basis phone calls records between the three men on that night. The Portuguese police provided at the time the information requested but considers that there are no indicia to incriminate the three suspects. Scotland Yard will carry on with the investigation, as was recently advanced, until they close it in a few months time whether they have conclusions about Madeleine McCann's disappearance or not.

Anchor Sara Carrilho - Carlos, do you think it makes any sense for the English authorities to question these three Portuguese men again, or return to this abduction thesis? 

Carlos Anjos - No, nothing makes sense anymore. I would say, from the day the process was reopened or since when the English authorities reopened the case in England and started to investigate, it has never made any sense. It would make some sense if the English authorities had read the Portuguese process and said that there were failures, and then followed alternative lines of investigation. All they did do, what they have limited themselves to, was merely to follow or repeat what was done by the Portuguese, several times. In fact, they are now redoing what they themselves had done, they've already done this step. 

Anchor - That they themselves did, they've already investigated this lead.

Carlos Anjos - It has been a series of blunders, even from the point of view.. A few years later they were searching the sewers to see if the girl was still there, if the body had been there the sewers would have blocked and would have likely burst, with all that rained down in Portugal in the past winters there would be no hypothesis. What they have done, from an investigative standpoint, not only was badly done, we cannot also see a line (methodology). Now they want to pursue a thesis of abduction, which is something... They want to talk with three people, it should be said that of these three I can almost guess who they are going to try pin the blame on for the abduction - on the one that died. Of the three men there's one that has already died, and that is always the weakest link since he's not here to defend himself. These Portuguese have been very helpful, even the suspects, because they've always talked to the English. That is, whenever the English want to speak with them, they have accepted to answer their questions and to give them statements. 

Because they could clam up, they could refuse with the status of arguidos to give any statements. Actually, they are not arguidos1 because the English don't have the capacity for that. There is a curious fact, the only suspect that was an arguido, Robert Murat, who right or wrong was considered initially as the main suspect, the English discarded him immediately, maybe because he is also English, but that one didn't matter for this scenario. We couldn't see a line of reasoning in there. 
I believe this process is going to end very soon, after they make this new onslaught in Portugal. They've spent a lot of money, it's one of the most expensive cases in English investigation history. Strangely enough, numerous children disappear in England yet they don't give them any special care, but they have that with Madeleine McCann. 


I would applaud them if I saw an investigation done in different way, and if I saw them taking steps that we hadn't taken, if we had failed it would be necessary to do them, and I do think that we failed, this was already said in here, Rui Pereira said that and Manuel (Rodrigues)2 also, that one of the serious errors was not constituting the McCann couple and their friends as arguidos for the abandonment of their children. There were mistakes in the investigation but those errors were repaired. 

Now, the English have never brought anything new to the investigation, absolutely nothing at all. 
And we are here today - if people notice, Portugal followed several lines - we don't know of the English investigation a single lead that was different, a single line of investigation that was different, or that it had produced a different type of results. 
This is gearing up for one thing, the English, Scotland Yard will end up arranging a report that says that they have eliminated for good the possibility of the child dying in that house, in that night - and I'm not saying that it was homicide, negligent or not - and that what happened was an abduction. 

They're not going to say much more than that because they don't have any factual basis to affirm that it was an abduction. 
But they are going to say it. 
And why? Because this investigation since it started, from the English side, and from the point the dogs came to Portugal, the dogs that detected cadaver scent which lead to a different line of investigation, those English (officers) were replaced because it was of no interest (unhelpful), the thesis wasn't the one the UK wanted and what they want is a thesis that says: 'No, what happened was an abduction and the McCann couple is once and for all exonerated". 
Curiously, we heard the process was going to be archived, and I am convinced, it's my personal opinion, that this process wasn't archived now because the Portuguese court decided in favour of Gonçalo Amaral. Since the decision was favourable for Gonçalo Amaral, and the McCanns are very embittered with that decision because they felt that it was unfair - I'm not saying that it was or not, this is just an observation - the English police, at a time when everything pointed to the archival of the case for lack of evidence - there was even a news article on Correio da Manhã and in other newspapers - decided to start new investigations upon the decision of the Portuguese courts. 

I believe that there is clearly an attempt to exonerate the couple, the English want to remove any suspicion from the McCann couple. In my opinion, it was never their main goal to find Madeleine McCann. 
The main objective of the English authorities was to exonerate the parents of Madeleine McCann.

(will add the other guest comments later, ongoing)

broadcast by CMTV, Rua Segura, SE16 EP86, April 30, 2016


http://joana-morais.blogspot.co.uk/2016/05/carlos-anjos-i-believe-that-there-is.html

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Post by suzyjohnson on 04.05.16 21:11

And there you have it. Very good article.

The British didn't want to believe Madeleine's disappearance was the responsibility of the McCanns. They set out, arrogantly, to prove that it wasn't them (must all be the fault of someone who wasn't British, the abductor, the PJ) Now, having spent all that money, they don't want to admit the Portuguese might have been right all along.

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Post by pennylane on 04.05.16 21:47

"I believe that there is clearly an attempt to exonerate the couple, the English want to remove any suspicion from the McCann couple. In my opinion, it was never their main goal to find Madeleine McCann."


agreed 

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Post by Mirage on 04.05.16 22:12

British authorities are out and out bullying the Portuguese now to get the result they want. It smacks of neo-colonialism.

Stand your ground, Portugal. We British are not like our ruling elite. The ordinary British people support fair play, truth and justice.

PS  We do not have a culture of leaving our children home alone either.

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Post by pennylane on 04.05.16 22:15

Exactly Mirage!

The Home Office did everything in their power to stall the Portuguese investigation, and when they failed to intimidate and bully "the inferior foreigners" into ignoring the evidence stacked up against the McCanns, they set up Operation Grange to rewrite history.  Then they have the unmitigated gall to accuse the Portuguese of not cooperating with Operation Grange. How dare they!

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Post by Mirage on 04.05.16 22:38

pennylane, this case stinks. Not only does it stink , it makes you realise that this attempt to hijack the truth is routine for our ruling classes. They are so out of control now, so cock sure of their power over "the little people" that they bully in plain sight.

For me, I will never look at my country through the same eyes again. I have lost respect for our institutions. And that is probably the same for a majority of the public.It makes you question everything authorities say because their default position is to lie and manipulate. 

Psychopaths run this country and I will go so far as to say we who are aware are engaged in a deadly struggle against pure evil.

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Post by pennylane on 04.05.16 22:50

Oh its definitely wise to question everything the authorities say as there's nearly always a nasty hidden agenda!

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Post by pennylane on 04.05.16 23:26

There isn't a doubt in my mind that Operation Grange's aim is to turn the original Portuguese investigation that points squarely to the McCanns culpability, upside down on its head and bring some absurd phantom abductor to the fore, no matter how idiotic the scenario!

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Post by Verdi on 04.05.16 23:34

Unbelievable as it is to me that the McCanns have been in a position to stifle the truth and manipulate public opinion by way of the media within the confines of the UK, to think that their power stretched to suffocating Portugal as well is just criminal.  Thank goodness for people like Natasha Don who's not afraid to tell it like it is.

I can understand the McCanns desperation and need to silence Dr. Amaral  (not that I agree with their actions) but I fail to see how or why the Portuguese were, until recently, prevented from voicing their opinions and/or speaking out about the PJ investigation.  A fact alone that leads one to think that inter-governmental influence is a strong factor behind this conspiracy.  

Note:  Not conspiracy theory but conspiracy pure and simple!

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Post by Verdi on 04.05.16 23:40

@pennylane wrote:There isn't a doubt in my mind that Operation Grange's aim is to turn the original Portuguese investigation that points squarely to the McCanns culpability, upside down on its head and bring some absurd phantom abductor to the fore, no matter how idiotic the scenario!
thumbup !  It's been going on since September/October 2007 when Goncalo Amaral was given the order of the boot - all downhill since.  They really think the public are a load of mugs don't they, or is it that they just don't care?

The proletariat can grumble, moan and groan to their hearts content but at the end of the day what care our leaders?  They do and will continue to do just as they please whether we like it or not.  Oh me of zero faith!

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Post by Tony Bennett on 04.05.16 23:49

From above:

Carlos Anjos -

"No, nothing makes sense anymore.

"I would say, from the day the process was reopened or since when the English authorities reopened the case in England and started to investigate, it has never made any sense.

"It would make some sense if the English authorities had read the Portuguese process and said that there were failures, and then followed alternative lines of investigation.

"All they did do, what they have limited themselves to, was merely to follow or repeat what was done by the Portuguese, several times. In fact, they are now redoing what they themselves had done, they've already done this step".

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I wish I'd had this before my trip to Downing Street last Friday.

I feel another Addendum coming on...

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Post by pennylane on 04.05.16 23:54

@Verdi wrote:
@pennylane wrote:There isn't a doubt in my mind that Operation Grange's aim is to turn the original Portuguese investigation that points squarely to the McCanns culpability, upside down on its head and bring some absurd phantom abductor to the fore, no matter how idiotic the scenario!
thumbup !  It's been going on since September/October 2007 when Goncalo Amaral was given the order of the boot - all downhill since.  They really think the public are a load of mugs don't they, or is it that they just don't care?

The proletariat can grumble, moan and groan to their hearts content but at the end of the day what care our leaders?  They do and will continue to do just as they please whether we like it or not.  Oh me of zero faith!
Yes they do think we're all mugs. I've never before felt so entirely despondent about the future as I do now.  

I really must try and 

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Post by Vicky87 on 05.05.16 0:02

Its obvious that Grange was never about Madeleine..or else all scenarios would have been looked at, not just abduction. I mean, honestly..since when do we take the people who SHOULD (and would be in any other case, because of statistics and such) be the prime suspects word for it and centre the investigation around nothing but what they say? Its just crazy.

Having said that though I do not see why on earth this whole sorry parade happened if the only point was to exonerate the McCanns.

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Post by Bishop Brennan on 05.05.16 2:35

@Vicky87 wrote:Its obvious that Grange was never about Madeleine..or else all scenarios would have been looked at, not just abduction.
...
Having said that though I do not see why on earth this whole sorry parade happened if the only point was to exonerate the McCanns.

Remember that OG was actually Rebekka Brooks' idea - with Cameron jumping on board either through fear or error of judgement. Having made the decision, he then had to be 100% certain that Grange would not come back and bite him in the backside. The only way to avoid that was to strictly limit the remit and ensure that the T9 were not even looked at as suspects.

The primary goal of OG was therefore to save the faces of all those (particularly politicians) who had ill-advisedly thrown their weight and government resources behind the McCanns. Exonerating the McCanns was the only way to do this. A guilty McCann result would have had Brown and Cameron looking like complete fools. Ditto all the high-profile supporters. Worse, it would look as though the UK government had actively tried to pervert the course of justice in the case. Grange would never be permitted to do that - and so it has proved.




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Post by Bishop Brennan on 05.05.16 2:45

It looks like SY's prayers have been answered. This is the most telling quote from Carlos Anjos:

"Now they want to pursue a thesis of abduction, which is something... They want to talk with three people, it should be said that of these three I can almost guess who they are going to try pin the blame on for the abduction - on the one that died. Of the three men there's one that has already died, and that is always the weakest link since he's not here to defend himself."

Suddenly the reason for SY recycling the 3-burglar theory becomes clear. They have their man - even better, one that they had tracked down, made an arguido, and even interviewed. And one that nobody cares enough about to complain when he gets framed for the abduction / murder of Maddie. It's perfect. Well done SY.

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2016/05/carlos-anjos-i-believe-that-there-is.html



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Post by pennylane on 05.05.16 8:37

@Bishop Brennan wrote:
@Vicky87 wrote:Its obvious that Grange was never about Madeleine..or else all scenarios would have been looked at, not just abduction.
...
Having said that though I do not see why on earth this whole sorry parade happened if the only point was to exonerate the McCanns.

Remember that OG was actually Rebekka Brooks' idea - with Cameron jumping on board either through fear or error of judgement.  Having made the decision, he then had to be 100% certain that Grange would not come back and bite him in the backside. The only way to avoid that was to strictly limit the remit and ensure that the T9 were not even looked at as suspects.

The primary goal of OG was therefore to save the faces of all those (particularly politicians) who had ill-advisedly thrown their weight and government resources behind the McCanns.  Exonerating the McCanns was the only way to do this.  A guilty McCann result would have had Brown and Cameron looking like complete fools. Ditto all the high-profile supporters.  Worse, it would look as though the UK government had actively tried to pervert the course of justice in the case. Grange would never be permitted to do that - and so it has proved.  



Personally I believe a guilty result would restore much needed faith in the system and the British Establishment.  It could then be spun in both Cameron and Scotland Yard's favor that they worked closely with Portugal to find the truth about Madeleine's fate, and for justice to prevail.  Win, win surely.

If only........

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Post by Mirage on 05.05.16 8:46

@pennylane wrote:
@Bishop Brennan wrote:
@Vicky87 wrote:Its obvious that Grange was never about Madeleine..or else all scenarios would have been looked at, not just abduction.
...
Having said that though I do not see why on earth this whole sorry parade happened if the only point was to exonerate the McCanns.

Remember that OG was actually Rebekka Brooks' idea - with Cameron jumping on board either through fear or error of judgement.  Having made the decision, he then had to be 100% certain that Grange would not come back and bite him in the backside. The only way to avoid that was to strictly limit the remit and ensure that the T9 were not even looked at as suspects.

The primary goal of OG was therefore to save the faces of all those (particularly politicians) who had ill-advisedly thrown their weight and government resources behind the McCanns.  Exonerating the McCanns was the only way to do this.  A guilty McCann result would have had Brown and Cameron looking like complete fools. Ditto all the high-profile supporters.  Worse, it would look as though the UK government had actively tried to pervert the course of justice in the case. Grange would never be permitted to do that - and so it has proved.  



Personally I believe a guilty result would restore much needed faith in the system and the British Establishment.  It could then be spun in both Cameron and Scotland Yard's favor that they worked closely with Portugal to find the truth about Madeleine's fate, and for justice to prevail.  Win, win surely.

If only........
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Post by pennylane on 05.05.16 8:48

@Bishop Brennan wrote:It looks like SY's prayers have been answered.  This is the most telling quote from Carlos Anjos:

"Now they want to pursue a thesis of abduction, which is something... They want to talk with three people, it should be said that of these three I can almost guess who they are going to try pin the blame on for the abduction - on the one that died. Of the three men there's one that has already died, and that is always the weakest link since he's not here to defend himself."

Suddenly the reason for SY recycling the 3-burglar theory becomes clear.  They have their man - even better, one that they had tracked down, made an arguido, and even interviewed.  And one that nobody cares enough about to complain when he gets framed for the abduction / murder of Maddie.  It's perfect.  Well done SY.

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2016/05/carlos-anjos-i-believe-that-there-is.html



Yes it's been apparent for some time that Op Grange is uncannily interested in the obituaries!

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Post by pennylane on 05.05.16 8:49

@Mirage wrote:
@pennylane wrote:
@Bishop Brennan wrote:
@Vicky87 wrote:Its obvious that Grange was never about Madeleine..or else all scenarios would have been looked at, not just abduction.
...
Having said that though I do not see why on earth this whole sorry parade happened if the only point was to exonerate the McCanns.

Remember that OG was actually Rebekka Brooks' idea - with Cameron jumping on board either through fear or error of judgement.  Having made the decision, he then had to be 100% certain that Grange would not come back and bite him in the backside. The only way to avoid that was to strictly limit the remit and ensure that the T9 were not even looked at as suspects.

The primary goal of OG was therefore to save the faces of all those (particularly politicians) who had ill-advisedly thrown their weight and government resources behind the McCanns.  Exonerating the McCanns was the only way to do this.  A guilty McCann result would have had Brown and Cameron looking like complete fools. Ditto all the high-profile supporters.  Worse, it would look as though the UK government had actively tried to pervert the course of justice in the case. Grange would never be permitted to do that - and so it has proved.  



Personally I believe a guilty result would restore much needed faith in the system and the British Establishment.  It could then be spun in both Cameron and Scotland Yard's favor that they worked closely with Portugal to find the truth about Madeleine's fate, and for justice to prevail.  Win, win surely.

If only........
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Post by Joss on 05.05.16 9:13

@Vicky87 wrote:Its obvious that Grange was never about Madeleine..or else all scenarios would have been looked at, not just abduction. I mean, honestly..since when do we take the people who SHOULD (and would be in any other case, because of statistics and such) be the prime suspects word for it and centre the investigation around nothing but what they say? Its just crazy.

Having said that though I do not see why on earth this whole sorry parade happened if the only point was to exonerate the McCanns.
Exactly. I have wondered a few times if this case is some type of experiment? But for what, i don't know?

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Post by sar on 05.05.16 9:39

@Joss wrote:
@Vicky87 wrote:Its obvious that Grange was never about Madeleine..or else all scenarios would have been looked at, not just abduction. I mean, honestly..since when do we take the people who SHOULD (and would be in any other case, because of statistics and such) be the prime suspects word for it and centre the investigation around nothing but what they say? Its just crazy.

Having said that though I do not see why on earth this whole sorry parade happened if the only point was to exonerate the McCanns.
Exactly. I have wondered a few times if this case is some type of experiment? But for what, i don't know?
..some type of med experiment gone badly wrong might award all involved with a get out of jail card immediately, plus a d notice for 100 years or so

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Post by pennylane on 05.05.16 9:39

@Joss wrote:
@Vicky87 wrote:Its obvious that Grange was never about Madeleine..or else all scenarios would have been looked at, not just abduction. I mean, honestly..since when do we take the people who SHOULD (and would be in any other case, because of statistics and such) be the prime suspects word for it and centre the investigation around nothing but what they say? Its just crazy.

Having said that though I do not see why on earth this whole sorry parade happened if the only point was to exonerate the McCanns.
Exactly. I have wondered a few times if this case is some type of experiment? But for what, i don't know?

This whitewash in many regards has been an experiment (imo) as this crime happened abroad, and the Portuguese Judiciary after careful deliberation, were zoned in on the McCanns' implausible version of events and timelines, as is recorded in the PJ files. Therein lies the dilemma for Operation Grange, who continue to make utter fools of themselves in a hopelessly vain attempt to misdirect the investigation so ridiculously far away from the bleedin' obvious!

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Post by NickE on 05.05.16 12:08

Don't you have ONE journalist in the UK with courage who can ask these questions that Anjos brought up in this interview?

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Post by melisande on 05.05.16 12:15

@NickE wrote:Don't you have ONE journalist in the UK with courage who can ask these questions that Anjos brought up in this interview?
Katie Hopkins has been the only one recently who has caused a few waves but as the public are divided on her I am not sure how seriously she is taken . She had a radio discussion last Sunday but was limited to discussing the cost and whether the investigation should be stopped. She said at the start it wasn't going to be a discussion about the investigation itself. She did mention the withheld efits though and a couple of callers did express their doubts about the McCanns.

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