Re: Summers & Swan Ch 25 + 26

by Lands_end 14.05.15 12:17

aiyoyo wrote:
Lands_end wrote:In one significant are, moreover, there has been a development. While the Mer has earlier said it was studying eighteen incidents in which an intruder had broken into properties housing British families between 2002 and 2010- well after Madeleine's disappearance- the figure had now risen. Police were now analysing as many as twenty-eight over a period starting as early as 2002. 'The offences are not all the same,' a source said. 'Some involve not children but teenagers or young women......but there are similarities. We're seeing a consistent theme.

In an extract from whatsupdoc above; this is tantamount to saying:

Police now see that there is a consistent similarity in all cases of DWI / DUI reported at roadside screening tests indication. They are now almost certain that this common theme is ...............................................................................
ALCOHOL

28 intruder cases going back to 2002 (till 2015?) isn't an awful lot by any statistics standard. Average 2 a year, furthermore of varying pattern, not following paedophile pattern is nothing at all.

No normal parents of a missing child would be buoyed by this line of enquiry, but the Mcs reportedly are.

If S&S were in K&G's shoes one wonders would they be happy if updated regularly by police they are following that line of enquiry that looks nothing remotely as if the Police is ever going to solve the case? Yet we are told repeatedly that Kate & Gerry are buoyed by the developments and are grateful for the continuity and for the conscientious works of the Police.

No genuine abducted child parents would be full of praise for Police for this kind of work....that leads nowhere, and seems to have no potential in getting to the abductor...

No Normal Parents of a Missing Child?

This begs the question you must ask your hearts of hearts. Do you consider the parents in this case to be "normal"?

by **PeterMac** 14.05.15 14:01

[quote="aiyoyo"]

Lands_end wrote:In one significant are, moreover, there has been a development. While the Mer has earlier said it was studying eighteen incidents in which an intruder had broken into properties housing British families between 2002 and 2010- well after Madeleine's disappearance- the figure had now risen. Police were now analysing as many as twenty-eight over a period starting as early as 2002. 'The offences are not all the same,' a source said. 'Some involve not children but teenagers or young women......but there are similarities. We're seeing a consistent theme.
.

Have I understood this correctly.

We are being asked to believe that there have been 28 Stranger Abductions, not of children, but of teenagers and Young women . . .
I think someone should be told. Perhaps the local police as a start
Did their parents not notice ?

This is pure Mitchell, Summers, Swan fantasy.
Or in plain English a LIE

by TheTruthWillOut 14.05.15 14:46

aiyoyo wrote:
TheTruthWillOut wrote:Does anyone else feel that this second addition of the book indicates that OG isn't a whitewash for the M's?

Of course a whitewash for the government can't be ruled out, but TM surely wouldn't bother with this desperate attempt of manipulating/frightening the public if OG were in their back pocket?

No one knows.
Not even McCanns it seems, going by S&S info in chapter 26, undoubtedly sourced from McCanns via 2nd or 3rd hand intermediary.

On one hand we are told the current DCI in charge is an "experienced veteran on homicide cases".
On the other hand we are also told she was left a legacy of intruders by DCI Redwood to follow up.
Redwood who during his watch was chasing an array of intruders, hoping for a breakthrough, that maybe will "match a telltale fingerprint or DNA laying forgotten in the exhibit store in Algarve."
How that is going to progress the abduction investigation is the $64M question, since no forensic trace of an intruder was found in 5a.

Also, we are told OG supplies HO with its case progress reports every quarterly. What of, again, is a $64 question?
Imagine, Home Officer getting regular reports from an experienced veteran homicide case DCI and the content is all about historic intruders her team can't narrow down? How does OG hope to justify and reconcile that? There is just such a disconnect of expertise to the type of investigation.
Moreover, we're given to believe that HO is happy to bank roll this operation (money is no objection) indefinitely despite getting regular reports on nothing crucial or potential prospect, except rubbish about intruders.

You'd think an acclaimed writer would realise he had been told a whole load of bollox by his source that simply does not add up -- but apparently not -- he was happy to put his name on such shite. Naive or gullible? And he wonders why people believe he's a pro-mccann propagandist !

Seems to me that S&S and TM have taken OG's/PJ's double check of whether an intruder was in 5a and blown it out of all proportion and twisted its meaning.

OG has always been lead by homicide detectives hasn't it? Why not a team specialising in abduction (if that is what they believe). Is it because only homicide detectives can conduct a whitewash?

by **PeterMac** 14.05.15 16:11

TheTruthWillOut wrote:
OG has always been lead by homicide detectives hasn't it? Why not a team specialising in abduction (if that is what they believe). Is it because only homicide detectives can conduct a whitewash?

A team specialising in Abduction - if there is such a thing - would have stopped the enquiry within about twenty minutes when they realised there was no evidence of any abduction, anywhere, and handed the job over to a team specialising in Fraud, and Child Abandonment, and Concealment of death,

by aiyoyo 14.05.15 16:38

Why send a team specialising in homicide though?
The logical deduction must be they are looking at a "murder" ... kate mentioned, in her freudian slip, when she said "the Portuguese Police don't want a murder on their hands etc" (not verbatim).

by jeanmonroe 14.05.15 16:54

"A team specialising in Abduction" - if there is such a thing..
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"Ask the 'team' (T9)" Sandra!

KM, in Brussels, "If anyone is expert, about 'abduction', we are"

by Casey5 14.05.15 17:07

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_Investigation_Team

Murder/Major Investigation Teams (MIT) are the specialised homicide squads of the Metropolitan Police in London, England. Forming part of the Homicide and Serious Crime Command, itself part of the Specialist Crime Directorate, there 24 MITs within the Met. MITs investigate cases of murder, manslaughter, attempted murder where the evidence of intent is unambiguous, or where a risk assessment identifies substantive risk to life.^[1] They also undertake investigations into missing persons or abductions where there is a reason to suspect life has been taken or is under threat and other investigations identified for specialist needs.^[1]
MITs were established in 2000 to replace the former Area Major Incident Pools (AMIPs) as part of Scotland Yard's Serious Crime Group. In 2001, there were 31 murder investigation teams operating in London, made up of 834 police officers, 182 civilian staff, and 14 senior detectives.
Currently, all homicide investigation in London is undertaken by the Specialist Crime and Operations Directorate's Homicide Command, which is split geographically into six units (West, Central, East, Northwest and South), each led by a Detective Superintendent. Each of the Command Units has 4 Major Investigation Teams (MITs), consisting of 50 staff, led by a Detective Chief Inspector (DCI), who performs the role of senior investigating officer (SIO).

by TheTruthWillOut 14.05.15 18:47

Thanks for that Casey5. Considering how long SY/PJ have now been working this case, I suspect the former reason is what they think. Probably due to a couple of fury animals that bark.(or not!)

by aiyoyo 14.05.15 19:34

TheTruthWillOut wrote:Thanks for that Casey5. Considering how long SY/PJ have now been working this case, I suspect the former reason is what they think. Probably due to a couple of fury animals that bark.(or not!)

The dogs have spoken.
Police still rely heavily on using dogs to help their work on missing person searches.
They must know she is dead.

by willowthewisp 15.05.15 11:28

Casey5
in reply to your post,SDCI Hamish Campbell( Daniel Morgan killing)(Jill Dando, killing) combined costs of investigations£35 million on trials,convictions 1 later unproven Barry George innocent victim,but received no compensation? so still no convictions!?
Operation Grange, SDCI Hamish Campbell, DCI Andy Redwood, now DCI Nichola Wall, costs of over £10 million, no proven suspects of "Stranger Abduction" yet, Crime Watch at least two occasions?
Media moguls,Clarence Mitchell,Lori Campbell Soham Murder's and Operation Grange,Jill Dando case,first named Arquido won £600,000 damages against various MSM,UK, recognised by JT,RO,FP 3 May 2007 in vicinity of apartment 5a?
Hacking of phones,entrapment,black mail of Portugal PJ officers, MSM possible owned by an Austrailian?
Alleged Dossier,Martin Brunt,(well her identity is not a secret any more,Sweepy face,RIP Brenda Leyland, hounded by) Jonathon Levy, public interest, SKY handed to Bernard Hogan Howe, raised funds for the find Madeleine McCann fund,responsible for the future of Operation Grange?
conflict of interest?

by XTC 16.05.15 23:55

aiyoyo wrote:
TheTruthWillOut wrote:Thanks for that Casey5. Considering how long SY/PJ have now been working this case, I suspect the former reason is what they think. Probably due to a couple of fury animals that bark.(or not!)

The dogs have spoken.
Police still rely heavily on using dogs to help their work on missing person searches.
They must know she is dead.

Quite.

The question for S&S is: What exactly was the speciality of the British dogs in the latest dig?

They can't have been live scent dogs- surely?

They were described as " better " dogs than Eddie and Keela.

Better at what?

by TheTruthWillOut 17.05.15 0:24

XTC wrote:
aiyoyo wrote:
TheTruthWillOut wrote:Thanks for that Casey5. Considering how long SY/PJ have now been working this case, I suspect the former reason is what they think. Probably due to a couple of fury animals that bark.(or not!)

The dogs have spoken.
Police still rely heavily on using dogs to help their work on missing person searches.
They must know she is dead.

Quite.

The question for S&S is: What exactly was the speciality of the British dogs in the latest dig?

They can't have been live scent dogs- surely?

They were described as " better " dogs than Eddie and Keela.

Better at what?

Well, according to Scotland Yard the PDL dig/searches last year....

Guardian wrote:Scotland Yard said the meticulous searches were based on the hypothesis that Madeleine was murdered and buried locally

I guess they were cadaver dogs.

Edit: A bit more digging and two of the dogs were Tito and Muzzy. 7 year old Springer Spaniels also used in the April Jones searches.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/meet-badger-spud-muzzy-tito-8460918

by Guest 17.05.15 8:47

TheTruthWillOut wrote:
I guess they were cadaver dogs.

Edit: A bit more digging and two of the dogs were Tito and Muzzy. 7 year old Springer Spaniels also used in the April Jones searches.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/meet-badger-spud-muzzy-tito-8460918

I wonder if they did the bleedin obvious and sent them into 5A.

I doubt it.

by Angelique 17.05.15 9:02

BlueBag wrote:
TheTruthWillOut wrote:
I guess they were cadaver dogs.

Edit: A bit more digging and two of the dogs were Tito and Muzzy. 7 year old Springer Spaniels also used in the April Jones searches.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/meet-badger-spud-muzzy-tito-8460918

I wonder if they did the bleedin obvious and sent them into 5A.

I doubt it.

I suppose it all depends on whether this digging was just a "show" for the MSM and general public - this is where the money is being spent etc. Or it was to back up the Met's remit of abduction. Or the "biggy" if you believe Gerry when he said "what we don't know is where she took her".

by Liz Eagles 17.05.15 9:08

@Blue Bag

Slightly off topic here so apologies in advance. You mention whether the dogs were sent into 5A. No-one knows and neither do Summers & Swan. It would be remiss of the UK Police not to though.

I often wonder what has happened to apartment 5A over the last 8 years. Has it changed ownership? If so, who owns it?

If it was sold, how much was it sold for? (bagging a bargain leaves funds to refurb)

Has it undergone any major refurbishment such as new floors, new kitchen, new windows, new shutters, new appliances, new furniture etc? At the very least it will have been painted in the last 8 years I should think. Has the garden been renovated in anyway? (new topsoil, new plants etc)

Just my thoughts.

by Guest 17.05.15 9:12

Yes the history of 5A over the last 8 years would be interesting.

I wonder who owns it now.

Is it still used?

by Liz Eagles 17.05.15 9:45

BlueBag wrote:Yes the history of 5A over the last 8 years would be interesting.

I wonder who owns it now.

Is it still used?

I wonder not only who owns it now but how many times it may have been sold/acquired since 2007. There must be some sort of audit trail for that. Apartment 5A doesn't strike me as a property a holiday company would bother with for obvious reasons and any private individual would more than likely be put off by its history and the media attention it still attracts (who'd live in a house like this? so to speak).

In terms of sniffer dog detection, would a total refurbishment (including plastering/wall render, new floors, new drainage, new shutters, new windows, new garden) have a negative effect?

Just thinking out loud.

by Amy Dean 17.05.15 9:50

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2026531/Madeleine-McCann-flat-market-couple-young-child-holiday-there.html

There doesn't seem to be anything more recent about the apartment than this in 2011.

by Liz Eagles 17.05.15 10:33

Amy Dean wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2026531/Madeleine-McCann-flat-market-couple-young-child-holiday-there.html

There doesn't seem to be anything more recent about the apartment than this in 2011.

Interesting isn't it!

Snipped from the article you posted up Amy Dean:

Under Portuguese law, estate agents have to tell prospective purchasers about the previous owners.

.....................

Mark Warner would not say if the apartment is being let through them in England.

...................

by whatsupdoc 17.05.15 17:01

Here's a 2007/2008 website with interesting material on what conclusion the PJ arrived at on 29/9/2007 and also information about Eddie & Keela under recent posts which are actually 2008.

http://dogsdontlie.com/main/2008/09/madeleine-mccann-died-after-fall-down-steps/comment-page-3/#comment-33536

Lots of useful links.

by Guest 17.05.15 18:44

aquila wrote:@Blue Bag

Slightly off topic here so apologies in advance. You mention whether the dogs were sent into 5A. No-one knows and neither do Summers & Swan. It would be remiss of the UK Police not to though.

I often wonder what has happened to apartment 5A over the last 8 years. Has it changed ownership? If so, who owns it?

If it was sold, how much was it sold for? (bagging a bargain leaves funds to refurb)

Has it undergone any major refurbishment such as new floors, new kitchen, new windows, new shutters, new appliances, new furniture etc? At the very least it will have been painted in the last 8 years I should think. Has the garden been renovated in anyway? (new topsoil, new plants etc)

Just my thoughts.

No one sent the dogs into 5A last year.

The 3 dig sites were swarming with media within seconds of being started. Plus GNR and PJ. Plus lots of keep-off-this-site tape.

I don't know how the media managed to get to the sites as soon as the Brit cops. I don't know where the Brit cops were staying. The obvious solution was to hang around outside their base and then simply follow them.

I went down to the dig most days, just for the circus, and returned via 5A. The only police presence was a GNR car with 2 officers, that seemed to be working a 24 hour guard (though I never checked in the dead of night). The car was nearly always by the garden gate at the rear of 5A. The officers looked bored out of their skulls.

There was no tape, no media frenzy, and no Brits with doggies. And no report from the media of doggies in 5A, which would have been BIG news.

The most interesting fact was that they had laid on so many GNR cars for the digs that they had run out of official GNR cars. They were using a hire car at 5A.

by Doug D 17.05.15 20:33

So what did the two 'secret' dogs do then, when they were over there last year, as revealed by the South Wales Police at Christmas?

by Guest 17.05.15 20:43

Doug D wrote:So what did the two 'secret' dogs do then, when they were over there last year, as revealed by the South Wales Police at Christmas?

Just a thought did they have them working in shift's,bit hot for the dogs to work all day I'd have thought.

by Casey5 17.05.15 20:55

Maybe"the fund" bought the apartment under a Company name? Then Kate and Gerry could have had it deep cleaned, refurbished etc. just in case.

by **sharonl** 17.05.15 21:05

BlueBag wrote:Yes the history of 5A over the last 8 years would be interesting.

I wonder who owns it now.

Is it still used?

To start with we have

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic2374.html

The house where the McCanns stayed in Praia da Luz, Lagos, belongs to a woman who is also called McCann, and not to the Ocean Club. When confronted with the possibility that this is a relative of Maddie's parents, Clarence Mitchell, the spokesman for the parents, denied the fact, saying it's "a strange and remarkable coincidence".

Fraction A, allotment 5, located at Rua Dr. Agostinho Silva, Urbanização Montes da Luz, Praia da Luz, is registered under matrix 3666. In 2001, the residence was bought by a sort of society that was composed of Daniel John Aldred, Michael William McCann, his daughter (from a first marriage) Donna Michelle Aldred, and his wife, Ruth Margaret McCann.

Michael McCann, who was born in Devonport, Plymouth, was a widower when he married Ruth Margaret Pittaway, who is presently 53 years old, also a widow, in 1987. In 2005, Michael and Ruth decided to buy the Aldred's part, and remained with 50% of the apartment each.

Later, in July 2006, Michael McCann died in Liverpool, and in November of the same year, Ruth McCann inherited her partner's part, and remained as sole proprietor of the apartment.