Media ‘gagged over bid to report MP child sex cases’

Former Scotland Yard detectives say young boys were murdered by Westminster paedophile ring
New claims reportedly made in written statements by two retired officers
Emerged after witness 'Nick' claimed he saw Tory MP throttle a boy, 12
Scandal revolves round Elm Guest House and Dolphin Square in London
Two journalists say they were barred from reporting for 'national security'
But 'D-notice requests from government in 1984' have now been destroyed
By DAN BLOOM FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 09:58 GMT, 23 November 2014 | UPDATED: 11:31 GMT, 23 November 2014

Two retired detectives have reportedly backed claims that young boys were murdered by politicians at paedophile orgies.
The claims, said to be in new written statements handed to the Metropolitan Police, have emerged just a week after a witness called 'Nick' claimed he saw a Tory MP throttle a 12-year-old boy to death.
Scotland Yard has already confirmed it is examining a 'possible homicide' committed 30 years ago by a paedophile ring whose ranks included senior Establishment figures.

Claims: Two ex-detectives have reportedly backed claims that young boys were murdered by a Westminster paedophile ring, whose haunts included the former Elm Guest House (left). Right: Posed by model
Abuse is also said to have taken place at Dolphin Square, a block of luxury apartments in Pimlico, London. 'Nick', who said he witnessed a 12-year-old boy's murder, said he was taken to an apartment here
Their alleged haunts included the now-notorious former Elm Guest House in Barnes, south west London, and a luxury apartment at Dolphin Square in Pimlico.
The two retired officers provided their information today to the Sunday People, which last week revealed the testimony of 'Nick' with the help of the Exaro investigative agency.
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According to the newspaper, the officers were part of the team which originally investigated the claims in the 1980s but it is thought they were told not to probe further.
Their claims appear to support those of 'Nick', now an adult, who said he was in the same room as a 12-year-old boy who was murdered by a Tory MP.
He told the Sunday People last week: 'I watched while that happened. I am not sure how I got out of that. Whether I will ever know why I survived, I am not sure.'

Fresh claims: Vishal Mehrotra's father Vishambar (right) recently claimed his son (left) was abducted, abused and murdered by a Westminster VIP paedophile ring which he said was linked to the Elm guest house
And the notion that they could have been told to halt their investigation backs claims of a cover-up made by several MPs, including campaigning Labour MP Tom Watson.
Mr Watson, who first raised allegations of a Westminster paedophile ring in Parliament, said last week: 'We are at the point where the government should consider a national police inquiry made up of specialists from around the country.
'It is unfair to ask the police in London alone to investigate alleged crimes that took place in many regions of the UK. I am writing to the PM to make this request.'
Two former local newspaper executives have now claimed they were told to stop their reporting of a Westminster paedophile ring in the name of 'national security'.
'DAVID BLUNKETT WAS TOLD OF CHILD ABUSE CLAIMS IN 2002'
A union official wrote to then-Home Secretary David Blunkett 12 years ago to make allegations about the Elm Guest house, the Sunday Express reports.
According to the report, Mr Blunkett replied personally to the letter in November 2002 after it raised concerns about a 'brothel on Rocks Lane' in south west London.
He is said to have referred the matter to the Home Office in his reply.
However, the allegations were then passed from to the Local Government Ombudsman - which passed responsibility again to the police.
It was a decade before a formal investigation was launched.
A spokesman for Mr Blunkett told the Sunday Express he made every effort to have the claims investigated, but they were 'extremely difficult' to deal with because the union official did not want Richmond Council to know about them.
The two men, Don Hale of the Bury Messenger and Hilton Tims of the Surrey Comet, told the Observer they were both served with D-notices around 1984 when they tried to report the story.
Now called DA-notices, the rarely-issued orders come from the government and strongly advise journalists not to reveal issues which could compromise the security services.
But the men's claims cannot be proved because D-notice correspondence 'with no historical significance' is destroyed after 20 years, the Observer reported.
Mr Tims, now 82, told MailOnline: 'We had a tip-off that there was something going on at a guest house in Barnes and I put a reporter onto it.
'He started making enquiries and didn't get very far with it, but got some information that some high-profile people had been using this guest house for their antics.
'The following day the reporter came to me and said we couldn't carry on with it, we'd had a D-notice. I think it was by phone, as I never saw any document and the editor at the time dealt with most of it. I was the news editor at the time.
'It was the only D-notice I ever encountered in my career. I was on the Daily Mail for six years and also worked at the BBC.'
Air Vice-Marshall Andrew Vallance, secretary of the current DA-notice committee, insisted it was 'inconceivable' that genuine D-notices would have been issued to cover up child abuse - or that they would have then been destroyed.
He said: 'The 20-year rule is standard throughout government. You get this mass of files that you haven't used for years and years and some of them have to be destroyed, but not all.
'Anything which contained letters of advice to the newspapers concerned would not have been destroyed.
'The more relevant question is where are these D-notices? If individuals claim to have received D-notice correspondence, let's see it.'
Last week Theresa May admitted there ‘might have been a cover-up’ of an Establishment paedophile ring after more than 100 files went missing from the Home Office.
NSPCC boss Peter Wanless and Richard Whittam QC had tried to track down 114 files dating to the 1980s.
+Labour MP Tom Watson has called for the inquiry to be extended beyond the Metropolitan Police. Home Secretary Theresa May admitted there may have been a cover-up after more than 100 files vanished
Just one was found while another was shredded by the Ministry of Justice, which took possession of the dossier, just three years ago.
In their government-commissioned report, the men concluded: ‘It is ... not possible to say whether files were ever removed or destroyed to cover up or hide allegations of organised or systematic child abuse by particular individuals because of the systems then in place.
'We cannot say that no file was removed or destroyed for that reason.’
In separate claims Vishambar Mehrotra, whose son Vishal was eight when he vanished on the day of the Royal wedding in 1981, said he may have murdered by Westminster-based abusers.
Nick Clegg called on Scotland Yard to investigate the ‘grotesque’ claims after Mr Mehrotra said a male prostitute phoned him and said the boy had been taken to the Elm Guest House.
A Met Police spokesman said last week: 'Our inquiries... have revealed further information regarding possible homicide. Based on our current knowledge, this is the first time that this specific information has been passed to the Met.
'Detectives from the Child Abuse Investigation Command are working closely with colleagues from the Homicide and Major Crime Command concerning this information, which is being looked at under the name of Operation Midland.
'We will not be giving a commentary as this inquiry develops, and it is important that officers are allowed to pursue their work without interference.'

comperedna wrote:I heard most of Theresa May on Desert Island Discs today. I am not a Tory, but she did not strike me as a person who would be cowed by 'powerful establishment forces' if child abuse and child murder were involved. Let's hope she goes for it.



Theresa May interview on BBC Andrew Marr Show today - link here:  http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04t1pzd/the-andrew-marr-show-23112014 - her answers about the child sexual abuse enquiries and murders of boys by MPs are at 55 mins

- TB, Moderator

banshee wrote:

comperedna wrote:I heard most of Theresa May on Desert Island Discs today. I am not a Tory, but she did not strike me as a person who would be cowed by 'powerful establishment forces' if child abuse and child murder were involved. Let's hope she goes for it.



Theresa May interview on BBC Andrew Marr Show today - link here:  http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04t1pzd/the-andrew-marr-show-23112014 - her answers about the child sexual abuse enquiries and murders of boys by MPs are at 55 mins

- TB, Moderator

Here's hoping she does .. this is all so despicable and mind-blowing that it's hard to find words to describe a person who'd treat a child so inhumanely. 

Let's hope too, if found guilty, these utterly abhorrent subhumans, no matter how old, end their days behind bars.

rustyjames wrote:Thanks for the link Tony - it seems a very definitive statement.

".... and it's so important Andrew, there is a real issue here about how was it that in the past but continuing today the very institutions of the state that should be protecting children were not doing so; why was it that these abuses were able to take place and that nobody was brought to justice as a result of that. We must as a society I believe get to the truth of that and because I think what we are seeing is frankly what we've already seen revealed is only the tip of the iceberg on this issue."

Okeydokey wrote:

rustyjames wrote:Thanks for the link Tony - it seems a very definitive statement.

".... and it's so important Andrew, there is a real issue here about how was it that in the past but continuing today the very institutions of the state that should be protecting children were not doing so; why was it that these abuses were able to take place and that nobody was brought to justice as a result of that. We must as a society I believe get to the truth of that and because I think what we are seeing is frankly what we've already seen revealed is only the tip of the iceberg on this issue."

Until a politician commenting on these matters actually mentions the F word (Freemasonry) I won't take them seriously.

PeterMac wrote:What I find fascinating is that so many MPs have gone public, the MSM are publishing long and detailed articles in which they spell out the exact allegations,
and when the first arrests and interviews start not even Carter-Ruck will be able to do anything.

Remember that in a few months there will be a General Election, with public meetings and TV interviews
""Mrs May, could you tell the electors of Maidenhead how the enquiries into the multiple alleged murders and alleged sexual going on, are developing
You did promise the Country that there would be no cover up."

margaret wrote:I mentioned elm guest house on another forum in the summer, when sir.cliffs house was raided and I was ripped to shreds and called a conspiracy theorist, now there's even detectives coming forward with claims of murdered children, much, much worse than I ever mentioned happening there.

I remain an optimist, maybe just maybe the person who protected the mcs will be bought down.

Btw I read Gordon brown is stepping down as an MP.

• Gordon Brown will formally announce plans to stand down 'within days'
  
• Sources say he wants to bow out 'on a high' after showing in referendum
  
• Former Prime Minister has been an MP in the Commons for 32 years
  
• Comes in the wake of Alistair Darling also announcing plans to step down
  

Joss wrote:Gordon Brown to STEP DOWN as MP: Former Prime Minister will quit at next election after 32 years in the Commons, sources say 

• Gordon Brown will formally announce plans to stand down 'within days'
  
• Sources say he wants to bow out 'on a high' after showing in referendum
  
• Former Prime Minister has been an MP in the Commons for 32 years
  
• Comes in the wake of Alistair Darling also announcing plans to step down
  

By Thomas Burrows for MailOnline

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2845713/Gordon-Brown-STEP-MP-Former-Prime-Minister-step-days-32-years-Commons-sources-claim.html#ixzz3JwdXReMu
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Sam S wrote:Huge news indeed. It would take something truly massive to take these headlines off the front pages....say something like a "terrorist" attack in a major British city. Just my opinion.

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Top police officer says five major plots foiled this year alone
New laws being implemented to tackle home-grown terror threat

Britain is facing an ‘almost inevitable’ attack by fanatics who have been ‘militarised’ by Islamic State, according to police and security officials.
In speeches today, Theresa May and senior police will warn that the ‘diverse’ terrorist threat posed by jihadis returning from Syria and Iraq is one of the greatest this country has ever faced.
Potential attacks could range from a ‘lone wolf’ beheading in a crowded shopping centre or street, to a bomb plot using fertiliser stolen from British farms. One Whitehall official told the Mail: ‘It is almost inevitable that something is going to happen in the next few months.’

Bishop Brennan wrote:

Joss wrote:Gordon Brown to STEP DOWN as MP: Former Prime Minister will quit at next election after 32 years in the Commons, sources say 

• Gordon Brown will formally announce plans to stand down 'within days'
  
• Sources say he wants to bow out 'on a high' after showing in referendum
  
• Former Prime Minister has been an MP in the Commons for 32 years
  
• Comes in the wake of Alistair Darling also announcing plans to step down
  

By Thomas Burrows for MailOnline

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2845713/Gordon-Brown-STEP-MP-Former-Prime-Minister-step-days-32-years-Commons-sources-claim.html#ixzz3JwdXReMu
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I'm not seeing too much behind Brown's resignation.  He did do a good job in the Referendum, his speech at the end was very good and not a bad final legacy to leave.  He's rarely in parliament these days and has retired in all but name since being booted out as leader.   Few leaders stay long after that.