WORLD EXCLUSIVE: Jack the Ripper unmasked:
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Senior police officer Donald Swanson who was in overall charge of the Ripper enquiry for a period identified Aaron Kosminski in the 'Swanson marginalia' (notes in the margin of a book of his friends reminiscences). They thought it was him but had insufficient evidence.
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Re: WORLD EXCLUSIVE: Jack the Ripper unmasked:
BlueBag wrote:It would never pass a peer-review.Newt Fink-Nottle wrote:First, data regarding DNA should be published in a peer-reviewed, scientific journal...not a book.Yes, it wasn't in the first police reports/lists.Second, there isn't nearly enough provenance regarding the apron.Indeed.That said, if they can show more evidence for the apron's provenance AND if someone can replicate the results regarding the DNA, I'm willing to accept that Kosminsky was the killer of Eddows. That's it. Doesn't make him the Ripper.
But Eddow's descendants have handled the shawl over the years.. recently... so who's DNA is on it?
The woman was a prostitute.. how many other people's DNA did they find?
The simple solution offered in the book is anything but.
The first murders took place in 1888. DNA strings were only first identified in the 1950's. Never mind that the DNA profiling technique was first reported in 1986...
Did Donald Watson look into the future, and know that we would be able to match DNA profiles, and therefore ensure that articles, such as the shawl, apron whatever, would remain uncontaminated and unwashed, in a zip lock bag , for future DNA investigation?
Nah!
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Re: WORLD EXCLUSIVE: Jack the Ripper unmasked:
The story if the shawl is very interesting.
There is no sound provenance for it.
Good discussion here by people who know this case inside out and backwards.
http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=8296&page=16
There is no sound provenance for it.
Good discussion here by people who know this case inside out and backwards.
http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=8296&page=16
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Re: WORLD EXCLUSIVE: Jack the Ripper unmasked:
So Mitochondrial DNA (without provenance as victims relatives may have handled shawl at Jack the Ripper conferences) is good enough for Mirror etc to declare Kosminsky GUILTY but in McCann case DNA evidence funnily ignored?? Hmm...
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Re: WORLD EXCLUSIVE: Jack the Ripper unmasked:
This is a good post by Paul G over at the Ripper forum.
I guess Mr Edwards did get lucky....
or perhaps something else is going on.
One thing is puzzling me or am I missing something.
Mr Edwards buys the shawl from auction and in good faith believes the historical story connecting the shawl to miss Eddowes.
He decides to pass it over to Mr D.N.A scientist man who comes back and I informs him that he has done extensive tests and has discovered stains identified as blood and semen.
Mr Edwards is so excited
Mr scientists says ok what do you want me to do now
Mr Edwards says get a sample from a living descendant of miss Eddowes see if it matches.
Months pass Mr scientist comes back yeahhhhhh result it matches
Mr Edwards is over the moon.
Mr scientist asks what do you want me to do now
Mr Edwards says test the semen to see if we can match it to a suspect.
Which suspect asks the scientist we have Tumbelty, chapman, kominsky, Barnett, maybruck, sickert, druit well to be honest there's over 40 of them there suspects.
Mmm difficult to chose, we could pick the easiest one to trace possibly MAybrick I'm sure there descendants would be easy to trace.
Or pick one
Ok we will go down the pick one out of the hat way.
Said hat appears and it is Kominsky.
Years of expensive research later as his traceable D.N.A is in Australia mr scientist has a result it matches but only secondary D.N.A.
Mr Edwards is ecstatic and thanks his lucky stars that the first suspect he picked out at random just so happens to match.
I guess Mr Edwards did get lucky....
or perhaps something else is going on.
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Re: WORLD EXCLUSIVE: Jack the Ripper unmasked:
I'm having so much much fun at casebook boards these days. Jack the Ripper is what made me get the interest I have today with crime cases ( ok I admit, obsession ). But this story has so many holes. The science is the important part but the book and the tale of the provenance of the shawl just ruins it.BlueBag wrote:The story if the shawl is very interesting.
There is no sound provenance for it.
Good discussion here by people who know this case inside out and backwards.
http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=8296&page=16
For anyone interested here's a (IMO ) very interesting podcast with the Dr that conducted the DNA tests.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/inscience
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Gillyspot wrote:So Mitochondrial DNA (without provenance as victims relatives may have handled shawl at Jack the Ripper conferences) is good enough for Mirror etc to declare Kosminsky GUILTY but in McCann case DNA evidence funnily ignored?? Hmm...
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