‘Do remember in McCann world - there is always more than one version of events.’
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Gerrys version of events regarding the shutters is farcical anyone with half a brain entering a scene such as this would automatically say to everyone around them don't touch anything call the police but we are led to believe a highly educated person such as a doctor just waltzed straight in there shut the window and pulled the shutter down . It just would not happen and it didn't .
Even if say he had gone into auto pilot by the time it had registered what had happened and he approached the window ( navigating 2 travel cots with sleeping babies ) to pull the shutter down he would have thought shit no I shouldn't.
even when us humans find ourselves in life death situations we can think logically it is only afterwards when the adrenaline rush as gone and you actually sit down and think about what has happened that you might then end up a gibberish mess .Then later when you look back on things wonder how the hell you coped but we do humans are highly resilient creatures especially when faced with danger .
Gerry due to the nature of his job is used to making decisions under immense stress and also keeping a cool head so if this story was accurate Gerrys first reaction would have been 'don't touch anything call the police ' .
Tie in the fact that only Kates fingerprints were found Gerrys version could not have happened unless he had been wearing gloves which holiday makers don't tend to wear when eating their evening meal .
This whole story is like a giant piece of swiss cheese so many holes !
Even if say he had gone into auto pilot by the time it had registered what had happened and he approached the window ( navigating 2 travel cots with sleeping babies ) to pull the shutter down he would have thought shit no I shouldn't.
even when us humans find ourselves in life death situations we can think logically it is only afterwards when the adrenaline rush as gone and you actually sit down and think about what has happened that you might then end up a gibberish mess .Then later when you look back on things wonder how the hell you coped but we do humans are highly resilient creatures especially when faced with danger .
Gerry due to the nature of his job is used to making decisions under immense stress and also keeping a cool head so if this story was accurate Gerrys first reaction would have been 'don't touch anything call the police ' .
Tie in the fact that only Kates fingerprints were found Gerrys version could not have happened unless he had been wearing gloves which holiday makers don't tend to wear when eating their evening meal .
This whole story is like a giant piece of swiss cheese so many holes !
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The McCanns are clearly masters of Quantum Physics.
The whole "abduction" is part of a bizarre Schrodinger's Cat type experiment where she is both dead and adbucted and somehow neither all at once.
The whole "abduction" is part of a bizarre Schrodinger's Cat type experiment where she is both dead and adbucted and somehow neither all at once.
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The bit I've put in bold and italics above is weird! Surely he would have said, 'She must be there, she must be there.' I mean, why wouldn't he expect Madeleine be in the apartment if that's where they left her?jeanmonroe wrote:
G. MCCANN: "The first thing that went straight through my head and I think -- it was just disbelief. I said, she can't be there, she can't be there. And I was running to the apartment with Kate. And I've checked. And she said, I've checked, I've checked, she's not there."
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They don't tend to move fridges around either, so...frost wrote:
Tie in the fact that only Kates fingerprints were found Gerrys version could not have happened unless he had been wearing gloves which holiday makers don't tend to wear when eating their evening meal .
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Hi frost. Gerry also went outside and tried to pull the shutter up from outside.frost wrote:Gerrys version of events regarding the shutters is farcical anyone with half a brain entering a scene such as this would automatically say to everyone around them don't touch anything call the police but we are led to believe a highly educated person such as a doctor just waltzed straight in there shut the window and pulled the shutter down . It just would not happen and it didn't .
Let me think now. Your daughter has disappeared and one of the first things you do is go outside and see if you can raise the shutter.
You don't contact the police, set up search parties, scream her name from the rooftops - no, if you're Gerry McCann you go outside and try to lift the shutter.
Why?
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I recall that 2 ex detectives or policemen went from England and looked at the evidence of windows and shutters and said words to the effect ,that finger print or fingers prints were on the outside of shutters and I think ,that they knew it was kates,does anyone else recall that ? it was on video I watched . joyce1938.
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frost said ''wearing gloves which holiday makers don't tend to wear''
but some people DO take gloves on holiday-who knows whether they wear them?
but some people DO take gloves on holiday-who knows whether they wear them?
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I found Hobs' blogspot earlier, I really enjoy reading her posts, fascinating:parapono wrote:Thanks Hobs!
http://tania-cadogan.blogspot.co.uk/
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worriedmum wrote:frost said ''wearing gloves which holiday makers don't tend to wear''
but some people DO take gloves on holiday-who knows whether they wear them?
They are in a stationary drawer along with paper clips, rubber bands and highlighter so maybe used for changing the ink in a printer.
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Yes they may.Nina wrote:worriedmum wrote:frost said ''wearing gloves which holiday makers don't tend to wear''
but some people DO take gloves on holiday-who knows whether they wear them?
They are in a stationary drawer along with paper clips, rubber bands and highlighter so maybe used for changing the ink in a printer.
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Coo... thats a bit fastidious...
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Casey5 wrote:Hi frost. Gerry also went outside and tried to pull the shutter up from outside.frost wrote:Gerrys version of events regarding the shutters is farcical anyone with half a brain entering a scene such as this would automatically say to everyone around them don't touch anything call the police but we are led to believe a highly educated person such as a doctor just waltzed straight in there shut the window and pulled the shutter down . It just would not happen and it didn't .
Let me think now. Your daughter has disappeared and one of the first things you do is go outside and see if you can raise the shutter.
You don't contact the police, set up search parties, scream her name from the rooftops - no, if you're Gerry McCann you go outside and try to lift the shutter.
Why?
Perhaps because you've just realised that this is major problem with your story, and feel compelled to check out your options for changing it?
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3/4 version of events, or tailored to match evidence found IMO
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Quite. But would an innocent man do that, and even if Gerry did do that why did he say he had? It's a bizarre, guilty thing to do imo.Bishop Brennan wrote:Casey5 wrote:Let me think now. Your daughter has disappeared and one of the first things you do is go outside and see if you can raise the shutter.Hi frost. Gerry also went outside and tried to pull the shutter up from outside.
You don't contact the police, set up search parties, scream her name from the rooftops - no, if you're Gerry McCann you go outside and try to lift the shutter.
Why?
Perhaps because you've just realised that this is major problem with your story, and feel compelled to check out your options for changing it?
Plus Gerry hadn't yet started on his phone calls, and in his phone calls he told all and sundry that the shutters had been jemmied, the window opened and Madeleine taken.
If he was thinking of his options surely he would have discarded that one before he phoned his family. After all it doesn't take a genius to work out that the Ocean Club management would deny the shutters had been interfered with, as indeed they did.
So why not go with option 2 from the start?
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That is of course an extremely good point.Casey5 wrote:
Quite. But would an innocent man do that, and even if Gerry did do that why did he say he had? It's a bizarre, guilty thing to do imo.
Plus Gerry hadn't yet started on his phone calls, and in his phone calls he told all and sundry that the shutters had been jemmied, the window opened and Madeleine taken.
If he was thinking of his options surely he would have discarded that one before he phoned his family. After all it doesn't take a genius to work out that the Ocean Club management would deny the shutters had been interfered with, as indeed they did.
So why not go with option 2 from the start?
He must have known KNOWN that his first set of lies would be found out within the first half hour.
He has told us that he inspected the shutters himself, in some detail.
Kate too knows knows that there is nothing wrong with the shutters.
In her book she had the opportunity to say
"In the children’s room, Gerry lowered the shutter at the open window, but found that it was jammed, obviously broken. . Rushing outside, he made the sickening discovery that it could be raised from this side, too, not just from inside as we’d thought, and he could see how badly damaged it was"
But she doesn't. She says
"In the children’s room, Gerry lowered the shutter at the open window. Rushing outside, he made the sickening discovery that it could be raised from this side, too, not just from inside as we’d thought. "
Why didn't he / they take the opportunity to damage the shutters at that point? They had the perfect cover, the perfect excuse,
but they seem merely to have used the excuse without taking advantage of it.
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Your daughter is missing.. first thing you do is lower the shutters...
She might be just down the road, 30 seconds away....
No.. you lower the shutters to test them.
Sorry Gerry, this doesn't fly.
She might be just down the road, 30 seconds away....
No.. you lower the shutters to test them.
Sorry Gerry, this doesn't fly.
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It does if you want to convince one of the nannies on duty ( an independent witness) that the shutters were up.BlueBag wrote:Your daughter is missing.. first thing you do is lower the shutters...
She might be just down the road, 30 seconds away....
No.. you lower the shutters to test them.
Sorry Gerry, this doesn't fly.
Amy Tierney says she saw the shutters up when she arrived. 10.10pm?
The time of this seeing is not nailed down but when the GNR arrived the shutters were down I believe.
I wonder when GM lowered the shutters if Amy Tierney saw them up?
p.s I think Amy was the one with a boyfriend and a printer - is that right?
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An excellent post, Hobs.
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