Re: Why Operation Grange can only be a whitewash

by Guest 19.05.14 18:57

@AndyB.

Trying to weigh up which is more believable.

Aliens were responsible for the abduction of MBM.

Or..

The parents and the rest of the tapas lot are completely innocent and had nothing whatsoever to do with MBM's disappearance.

Yep, will go with the Aliens theory.

by Guest 19.05.14 19:00

canada12 wrote:
Bumping up, so it doesn't get buried. A timeworthy reminder about where the previous Portuguese investigation left off.

Are we convinced that the NEW Portuguese investigation is also of the same mindset?

by AndyB 19.05.14 19:00

Garrincha wrote:Clay wrote: Monteiro sufficiently of interest to PJ to justify reopening the investigation because phone records show he was in contact with one of the "players" on the evening of the 3rd.

IMO if this is true it changes everything, including the title of this thread...

I don't think it is true. Clay was summing up the latest long winded offering from Textusa in a single sentence. He also managed to do it without resorting to random use of bold and differently coloured text. The original Textusa article is thoroughly critiqued here:
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by AndyB 19.05.14 19:01

Andrew77R wrote:@AndyB.

Trying to weigh up which is more believable.

Aliens were responsible for the abduction of MBM.

Or..

The parents and the rest of the tapas lot are completely innocent and had nothing whatsoever to do with MBM's disappearance.

Yep, will go with the Aliens theory.

:-)

by canada12 19.05.14 19:02

Andrew77R wrote:
canada12 wrote:
Bumping up, so it doesn't get buried. A timeworthy reminder about where the previous Portuguese investigation left off.
Are we convinced that the NEW Portuguese investigation is also of the same mindset?

I am, but admittedly I have no proof.

by Guest 19.05.14 19:15

In Clay's summing up of Textusa's blog reference is made to Monteiro having contact with one of the 'players'. IIRC it was reported [size=31]that he was a petty criminal with a history of drug abuse. What if his alledged contact with a 'player' amounted to the supply of prescription or non-prescription drugs. Does Textusa give any indication of what the contact involved?[/size]

by XTC 19.05.14 23:25

PeterMac wrote:Grange have in the recent past
1 Dismissed Tannerman' (either as a real man or a fantasy) - the only piece of "evidence" of an abduction of a child, whether dead, comatose, or sleeping, on which the McCanns relied -
2 Said that there is a real chance Madeleine did not leave the apartment alive - fairly obvious, but it has been said and cannot now be retracted.
3 Sought permission AND cooperation from the Portuguese authorities in a "search" - fairly obviously for a burial site or sites
4 Sought permission AND cooperation from the PJ in planned digs of various sites - some of which may require warrants of entry - again fairly obviously for burial / disposal
and so on. Not forgetting the visit at the highest level of the CPS to the equivalent authority in Portugal some time ago.

Can there be any doubt that Grange and the PJ are NOT looking for a living child.

No searching has actually been done since early May 2007, when Police and many residents, holiday makers, and other well- wishers actually did some looking around, whilst the parents "kept vigil" or went to sleep, or went jogging and started their European tour, or started writing a book . . .
Since that time, despite the assurance of their most recent and best qualified PI that Madeleine was definitively in a "Hellish Lair within 10 miles of PdL" no one has bothered searching in a physical sense.
Fairly obviously, again, because no one believes, or has believed, there is any point.

"Find the body and . . ."
They are trying to, Gerry.

PeterMac

In my opinion the " revelation " at this stage of the investigation may come about due to the penchant of the modern British Police to feel obliged to tell everyone - meaning via the media who claim to represent the public - everyone what is going on. By everyone I mean the great British Public. The PJ on the otherhand don't feel the need to do that until the investigation is over or archived.

Therefore once the searches are done nearly all will be revealed in the media and no doubt what wasn't there but expected to have been will be extrapolated by Her Majesty's Press as a breakthrough or a potential lead not followed up ( one of many as you know) and it was the Portugueses fault for not taking the not finding of anything seriously.

All will be revealed by the media. That is if there is anything to be revealed? If there isn't something will be found to fill the void.

As someone said Tannerman dismissed is to point the way to Smithman in all his glory but to me what that means is that either JT was mistaken or JT is a fantasist. The link in this is the alibi of GM. In the Doco GM was busy trying to persuade JT that she was in position A whilst she insisted she was in position B. Problem is for GM is that he says he didn't see her in his depositions so how would he know where she was - he didn't see her?

Your PJ alive or dead point is valid. SY are considering the same possibility of the PJ. With the exception that the PJ think that it was a one off and a tourist ( unnoficially of course) meaning not Portuguese. Why are they interested in Tractorman or the binman then being my only question of the PJ and possibly Textusa?

Co-operation in the digs I think is possibly just humouring the British - a case of look if you want to but you won't find anything because we looked previously and maybe you have to justify the millions but we don't. If you want to tell the media how hard you were looking fair enough but as you don't trust us be my guest.

The CPS high ups are very interesting because as far as I know they only operate on the basis of National criminals not foreign ( i.e. Portuguese ) criminals being brought to justice and cannot interfere in other countries prosecutions. As this is a Portuguese investigation if
any perpetrators are to be tried ( British or Portuguese ) it will be via the Portuguese Courts and not any others. So possibly tof the 38 persons of interest 12? may be British and they were advising on how that process would move forward under Portuguese jJurisdiction?

On your last point - vis the search for Madeleiene - this ended when Mr Amaral and his team were taken off the case by The PJ Director Reibero. Technically for the media the search continued but the only ones capable of actually moving towards finding Madeleine was the original PJ team. The problem was that all PJ roads led to the wrong people and some people didn't like/agree with that. The reasons despite our
speculations are at the moment unknown and may remain that way for many years unless some evidence emerges which is credible and unavoidable and non interpretable in its implications.

My tossed coin is in the air as to what SY are up to ditto the current set of PJ investigators .

All I know is that the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth is not being revealed by all concerned and I mean ALL concerned.

by **sharonl** 20.05.14 23:22

If Operation Grange was a genuine review and all aspects of the case were being investigated, NSY detectives may just come to the same conclusion as the Portuguese Police.

If this were to happen and the McCanns were charged in relation to Madeleine's disappearance they would also be charged with many other offences, including fraud and perverting the course of justice.

But, this would not stop there as many others may be implicated:

Would David Cameron and Theresa May really set up a review and allow NSY to charge the McCanns if they were going to take a huge chunk of our Government down with them?

Gordon Brown - amongst other things, rushed over to PDL and insisted that Madeleines' disappearance be treated as an abduction, and he assisted in the setting up of the fund.

Jaqui Smith refused the investigation access to certain documents

A number of Government officials interfered in the case

Clarence Mitchell lied to the world

Officers at Leicester police station withheld information

CEOP officials are alleged to have presented Gerry with their manual that is not available to the public, not to mention the fact that his CATS entry is said to have been wiped.

Then we have these other people who may be guilty of fraud and deception, or have perverted the course of justice:

The private investigators

The directors of the fund

The witnesses that falsely claimed to have seen Madeleine

Margaret Hodges Nephew who claimed to have photographed Madeleine

And that's just a small sample

Imagine the embarrassment that it would cause to the UK authorities if NSY did find the McCanns guilty - It's just not going to happen IMO

by Guest 20.05.14 23:29

sharonl wrote:

Gordon Brown - amongst other things, rushed over to PDL and insisted that Madeleines' disappearance be treated as an abduction, and he assisted in the setting up of the fund.

Sharonl, I can't recall this, can you give me a reminder. Are you meaning when he went to sign the treaty? How did he (Gordon Brown)assist in setting up the fund? I must be getting old as I can't remember this either. big grin

by **sharonl** 21.05.14 0:03

candyfloss wrote:
sharonl wrote:

Gordon Brown - amongst other things, rushed over to PDL and insisted that Madeleines' disappearance be treated as an abduction, and he assisted in the setting up of the fund.

Sharonl, I can't recall this, can you give me a reminder. Are you meaning when he went to sign the treaty? How did he (Gordon Brown)assist in setting up the fund? I must be getting old as I can't remember this either.

He rushed over to PDL early May and insisted that the case be treated as an abduction - I will look for a link

I think that it is written in Kate's book, Gordon Brown was trying all that he could to get charitable status for the fund but it did not meet the public interest test as it was for one child only. There is more, but I need to locate the exact source

by angusallan 21.05.14 10:47

candyfloss wrote:
sharonl wrote:

Gordon Brown - amongst other things, rushed over to PDL and insisted that Madeleines' disappearance be treated as an abduction, and he assisted in the setting up of the fund.

Sharonl, I can't recall this, can you give me a reminder. Are you meaning when he went to sign the treaty? How did he (Gordon Brown)assist in setting up the fund? I must be getting old as I can't remember this either.

Well done Candyfloss.

by Watching The Detectives 21.05.14 13:40

Forthright speech by Theresa May today.....see the video........

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by ultimaThule 21.05.14 15:36

sharonl wrote:
candyfloss wrote:
sharonl wrote:

Gordon Brown - amongst other things, rushed over to PDL and insisted that Madeleines' disappearance be treated as an abduction, and he assisted in the setting up of the fund.

Sharonl, I can't recall this, can you give me a reminder. Are you meaning when he went to sign the treaty? How did he (Gordon Brown)assist in setting up the fund? I must be getting old as I can't remember this either.

He rushed over to PDL early May and insisted that the case be treated as an abduction - I will look for a link

I think that it is written in Kate's book, Gordon Brown was trying all that he could to get charitable status for the fund but it did not meet the public interest test as it was for one child only. There is more, but I need to locate the exact source

The bewk contains two references to Gordon Brown, one being on p137 when Kate writes "there had been words of support, too, from prime-minister-in-waiting Gordon Brown" and the other being on p153 when "seconds" before the couple arrived at Fatima on 23 May "Gerry received a phone call from Gordon Brown" after whch conversation "Gerry relayed his message of support and encouragement to me, commenting on the marked empathy and sincerity in Mr Brown's voice".

Had Gordon Brown joined the throng of lawyers, "crisis psychology" proponents, ambassadors, consulars, and other assorted dignitaries, together with the hordes of freeloading relatives and friends who rushed to ~~dance attendance on~~ console the McCanns, I have no doubt his visit would have been front page news around the globe and in the absence of any such report, it's apparent he did not bestir himself to jump on a jet to Luz.

As it is, notwithstanding the "marked empathy and sincerity" in his voice when he spoke to Gerry on the phone in May 2007, in December of that year Gordon Brown declined to speak with the couple in person and/or hear their lawyers and well-heeled supporters speaking for them: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

With regard to the setting up of the limited company, as described on p125 of the bewk, on 11 May the couple met with a "paralegal" and "a barrister" acting for the International Family Law Group (IFLG) who advised them to set up a "fighting fund", the objectives of which would be devised by IFLG who would instruct "a leading charity law firm, Bates, Wells and Braithwaite (BWB), to draw up articles of association".

On p137, Kate states that BWB "had talked to the Charity Commission about whether it would be eligible for charitable status. As its objectives were limited to the serach for a single child and the beneficiaries were essentially one family, it was deemed that the public benefit test would not be met. So the fund took the form of a not-for-profit, private limited company."

From the above it would seem improbable that Gordon Brown, who at that time was Chancellor of the Exchequer, turned his attention to assisting in the creation of the limited company and the enrichment of the McCanns at the expense of tax payers of the UK and elsewhere.

It should be noted that until he became Prime Minister on 27 June 2007, Gordon Brown was in no position to insist "that the case be treated as an abduction" and that by 18 July, the date which Kate belatedly recognised as a "turning point", the establishment's previously supportive stance had undergone a material change.

Imo if Kate had been gifted with prescience she would not have become enamoured with her spouse and if she had been blessed with hindsight, she would have recognised the call he received from the director of communications at the Foreign Office to the effect that there was concern in government "that Clarence was 'becoming the story'" as the writing on the wall.

by Guest 21.05.14 16:32

Thanks UT so he didn't rush to PDL then, and didn't help set up the fund, I thought I had never read that. Unless of course sharonl can find something.

by **sharonl** 21.05.14 16:56

candyfloss wrote:Thanks UT so he didn't rush to PDL then, and didn't help set up the fund, I thought I had never read that. Unless of course sharonl can find something.

I have definitely read references to both of the above points somewhere, and I will look for them later. Whether there is any truth in either is another matter.

I don't have the book to hand at the moment but I am quite certain that it was Kate who made the reference to Brown trying to obtain charity status for the fund.

I will check tonight

by Guest 21.05.14 17:17

sharonl wrote:
candyfloss wrote:Thanks UT so he didn't rush to PDL then, and didn't help set up the fund, I thought I had never read that. Unless of course sharonl can find something.

I have definitely read references to both of the above points somewhere, and I will look for them later. Whether there is any truth in either is another matter.

I don't have the book to hand at the moment but I am quite certain that it was Kate who made the reference to Brown trying to obtain charity status for the fund.

I will check tonight

Thanks sharonl, it will be good to get it cleared up, as I said I can't ever remember it, but then I am getting rather forgetful in my old age big grin

by HelenMeg 21.05.14 17:24

If SY are seeking to perform a whitewash then I dont understand why AR staged his Crimewatch program to seat Mc Canns under the
e-fits that were blatantly remarkably like Gerry.

I dont understand why it was decided to review the case in a glare of publicity when it was obvious there would be observers scrutinising the review.

I dont understand why the Mc Canns have been so visible and 'loud' over recent years - why they were not advised to lay low and be thankful.

The Mc Canns do not act as if there is a whitewash being performed - surely they would be aware of a prospective whitewash?

If a whitewash were being carried out then SY would need some form of agreement with Portugal. SY cant possibly perform a whitewash if PJ are intent on
finding out what actually happened in pursuit of justice.

The more I think about it the more I dont feel a whitewash is possible. The only outcome possible is either revealing the truth or partially revealing the truth unless UK is in partnership with the
Portuguese.

by Guest 21.05.14 17:25

I like the expression "senior moments" better than getting forgetful in my old age, Candyfloss!

Enid O'Dowd's report on the fund gave the details of every Tom, Dick and Harry that was involved in setting it up. Unfortunately the McCann Files website is down - let's hope for no ominous reason - and so I can't check it out at the moment.

by Poppyfox 21.05.14 19:48

Hi just joined today. After watching Theresa May I am extremely hopeful that Operation Grange is not going to be a white wash. If I were the McCanns I would be scared and looking over my shoulder IMO. My worry is that there's lots of people who jumped on the Mccanns band wagon. Who will be prosecuted and who will escape? I have had no faith in the investigation until recently. I believe AR is playing a very clever game by saying that the parents are ruled out by lulling them into a false sense of security but is watching them very closely. Exciting times and I hope justice for Madeleine McCann and glory to Tony Bennett, and Goncalo Amaral. Also enjoy reading all the theories and opinions especially Petermac. new

Just a reminder not to change surnames of people into derogatory names...........I realise you are new, so wouldn't realise, thanks

by **sharonl** 21.05.14 20:11

candyfloss wrote:
sharonl wrote:
candyfloss wrote:Thanks UT so he didn't rush to PDL then, and didn't help set up the fund, I thought I had never read that. Unless of course sharonl can find something.

I have definitely read references to both of the above points somewhere, and I will look for them later. Whether there is any truth in either is another matter.

I don't have the book to hand at the moment but I am quite certain that it was Kate who made the reference to Brown trying to obtain charity status for the fund.

I will check tonight

Thanks sharonl, it will be good to get it cleared up, as I said I can't ever remember it, but then I am getting rather forgetful in my old age

Maybe it's me that's dreaming things up, perhaps I should work for the Sun big grin

I don't think the article said that Gordon was actually assisting with the setting up of the fund but Kate mentioned that he did try to assist with obtaining charitable status. We will know when I find it, soon I hope.

Not what I read or my source, but its a start:

Tax blow for search fund

In addition, the fund will not benefit from gift aid, a form of tax relief that allows charities to claim from the government an additional 28p for every £1 they receive in donations. And tax will have to be paid on all interest accrued by the fund.

Last night the Treasury refused to intervene, insisting it was the preserve of HM Revenue & Customs to decide tax liability.

The development will embarrass Gordon Brown who told Madeleine’s family last week he would do all he could to help on "a practical and a personal level".

The decision on charitable status could hit the family's efforts to trace Madeleine. Her parents Kate and Gerry are considering hiring a private investigator amid concern over the way police have handled the hunt. A FUND to finance the international search for Madeleine McCann will be forced to pay Vat and denied tax breaks worth tens of thousands of pounds after being refused charitable status writes Mark Macaskill.

The Madeleine fund has already received almost £80,000 from the public and businesses. Madeleine's parents had hoped for charity status for the fund but were turned down by the Charity Commission because the money raised is not for the "wider public good".

Instead, the fund has been registered as a company, which means it is liable to pay Vat at 17.5% on advertising costs and goods designed to raise funds, such as stickers. Charities are eligible for "zero rate" tax relief on such expenses.

by Poppyfox 21.05.14 20:19

Sorry Candyfloss soz

by **sharonl** 21.05.14 20:32

Still not the source that I am looking for but:

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Gordon Brown has pledged his support. Last Friday John McCann was dining with friends when Downing Street called to say that the Chancellor was on the line. Minutes later Mr McCanns mobile on which he takes hundreds of calls daily ran out of power, cutting off Britains next Prime Minister in mid-sentence. Yesterday morning, as Mr McCann was talking to The Times, his mobile rang again. It was Revenue & Customs, calling at Mr Brown request to discuss how the fund could gain charitable status.

Candyfloss - is this going off topic? Do you want to move these posts to a more relevant thread?

by **tigger** 21.05.14 21:15

sharonl wrote:Still not the source that I am looking for but:

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Gordon Brown has pledged his support. Last Friday John McCann was dining with friends when Downing Street called to say that the Chancellor was on the line. Minutes later Mr McCanns mobile on which he takes hundreds of calls daily ran out of power, cutting off Britains next Prime Minister in mid-sentence. Yesterday morning, as Mr McCann was talking to The Times, his mobile rang again. It was Revenue & Customs, calling at Mr Brown request to discuss how the fund could gain charitable status.

Candyfloss - is this going off topic? Do you want to move these posts to a more relevant thread?

At the risk of going further ot. There is a clip of John McC relating this phonecall event.

But I don't think GB ever went to PdL. He was never photographed with the McCs and I don't think met them personally.
Clarrie complained about only being offered a meeting at consular level when they wanted top level after 'returning' to the UK.

by tasprin 21.05.14 21:31

Philomena McCann's meeting with Gordon Brown on 16 May 2007 has probably already been posted, but her comment below is beyond bizarre.

BBC

Wednesday, 16 May 2007

Madeleine's aunt, Philomena McCann, of Glasgow, visited Parliament on Wednesday to lobby MPs and peers for support.

Philomena McCann with MPs
Philomena McCann appealed to MPs for their help

She said that, in a personal meeting, Mr Brown had offered support on "a practical and a personal level".

She added: "For someone to abduct Madeleine, we're aware they would want such a beautiful, caring little girl as she is, and I can totally understand them.

"But give her back, she isn't yours, we want her home and safe."

by **sharonl** 21.05.14 21:34

Tigger

I do remember a press report stating that Brown was in Portugal the week that Madeleine Disappeared - this could of course be spin. This also comes at the same time that he met with JOSE Socrates, both in Portugal and the UK. They discussed Freeport, The Lisbon Treaty & Madeleine. Further to that we have this:

On May 16, Gordon Brown met with members of McCann family and “pledged to help in anyway (he) can". Gordon Brown has personally intervened in the search for missing four-year-old Madeleine McCann after her parents became frustrated by the lack of progress in the police investigation. After a series of telephone conversations with Madeleine's father, the Chancellor requested assistance from the Foreign Office and the Home Office. He asked that pressure be brought to bear on the Portuguese authorities to allow more information about the inquiry to be made public. A source close to the McCann family said: "Within a day of the family speaking to Gordon Brown and expressing their frustration about certain things, the whole attitude of the Portuguese police changed and they found them much more open. The sequence of events suggests some influence was exerted from above." The first foreign visitor to No 10 Downing Street after Gordon Brown became Prime Minister was his Portuguese counterpart Jose Socrates. Speaking to a press conference afaterwards, Mr Brown thanked the Portuguese authorities for their efforts in trying to find missing four-year-old Madeleine McCann. And Mr Brown also said the British Government would do all it could to help locate the youngster.

by **sharonl** 21.05.14 21:39

Madeleine: Brown quizzes Portuguese PM about bungled police inquiry

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HOMEPAGE POLITICIANS NEWS REPORTS INDEX MAIL IMAGES 2007 & 2008 NEWS OCTOBER 2007

Original Source: MAIL: FRIDAY 19 OCTOBER 2007
By VANESSA ALLEN and JAMES CHAPMAN
Last updated at 10:44 19 October 2007

Gordon Brown has raised concerns about the investigation into Madeleine McCann's disappearance with his Portuguese counterpart.

Mr Brown discussed the police inquiry with the premier Jose Socrates during private talks in Lisbon, where the pair are attending the EU summit.
Mr Brown said he wanted to be assured "that the police authorities are taking the actions that are necessary and there's proper cooperation between the British and Portuguese police".

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Assurances: Gordon Brown met Portuguese premier Jose Socrates in private yesterday in Lisbon to discuss Madeleine McCann

The pair previously discussed the case in July, when Mr Socrates assured Mr Brown "everything possible" was being done to find the missing four-year-old.
Mr Brown's involvement in the case has sparked resentment in Portugal in the past.

One detective accused parents Gerry and Kate McCann of creating "constant interruptions and distractions" after it emerged they had been keeping him personally updated on developments over Madeleine, who went missing in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz on May 3.

The policeman said: "It is amazing to me that people in high positions are getting involved. I can't think of any case in Portugal where this has happened."

A source in the Portugese police admitted yesterday they have no evidence against the McCanns, who are still official suspects.

A high-ranking detective in the investigation told the Portuguese newspaper 24 Horas: "The truth is, nothing which allows us to make a definite accusation against the McCanns has yet emerged."

It also emerged yesterday that Mrs McCann is having haunting visions of Madeleine at night.

Her mother Susan Healey said: "She told me she was unable to sleep a couple of nights ago and I said, 'Did the twins wake you up?' She said, 'No, Madeleine came'."

by **Tony Bennett** 21.05.14 22:00

tigger wrote:
At the risk of going further ot. There is a clip of John McC relating this phonecall event.

But I don't think GB ever went to PdL. He was never photographed with the McCs and I don't think met them personally. Clarrie complained about only being offered a meeting at consular level when they wanted top level after 'returning' to the UK.

That's right, there's no mention of Gordon Brown actually going to Praia da Luz or Portugal in the early months, but he did go to Portugal on 17 and 18 October 2007 when, according to a number of reliable press reports, he personally discussed the Madeleine McCann case with Portuguese President Jose Socrtates, during discussions about the E.U. Lisbon Treaty:

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It is also known from Dr Goncalo Amaral's book that the Portuguese Police 'phoned Gordon Brown on 2 October 2007 to tell them that they were going to remove Dr Amaral from the Madeleine investigation later in the day.

There is quite a bit more about all this on another thread here titled simply: 'Gordon Brown'.

It was also Brown who badgered the Portuguese authorities to allow Gerry McCann to release his statement about 'Tannerman'* to the world's press on IIRC 25 May 2007.

* It's DCI Redwood here from Operation Grange. Just to let you all know, and remind you again, Gerry McCann and Gordon Brown were wrong about Tannerman. He was NOT, repeat NOT the abductor. This was in fact a man who was simply taking his child - a blonde three-year-old girl - back from the night creche. Ok, he was going a funny way home, buy why on earth not? He was on holiday. Why was the child only in pyjamas? Come on, I don't know, could be one of any number of reasons. Maybe he took her there in her pyjamas. Maybe he took her in her clothes and left her pyjamas with the night staff and said: 'Put these on her when she starts looking sleepy'. Or, OK, may be he didn't take any pyjamas, but maybe the creche staff carry spare pairs for just this sort of occasion. Why didn't he have a buggy for her? Look, I'm the one asking the questions round here, but I'm sure there's a simple explanation. He was on holiday. He didn't have one, OK? That satisfy you? And look, if you are in any doubt at all, the bloke told us he normally went around Praia da Luz that week in a dark jacket and trousers. Stands to reason he would be wearing them that night, doesn't it? Why didn't he tell anyone for six years that he was walking past Gerry's flat at 9.15pm on 3 May. Look, why are you interrogating me? They never asked me these sorts of questions on CrimeWatch. Take it from me, it was a revelation moment. Who knows? Maybe he couldn't remember? Maybe he was too frightened to come forward. Maybe he really wanted to come forward, but his wife said 'No'. Now, all eyes on 'Smithman' please, and those two e-fits. What was that? How could they come up with those two e-fits if they never saw his face? Right, I'm terminating this interview right now / CUT

by Justformaddie 22.05.14 22:42

IMO all Operation Grange have to do is show the public proof of what they have that is keeping the tapas9 out of their lines of enquiry, that way, there would be a lot more support and help maddie get back home (if the abduction really did take place) maybe they don't have that proof then IMO
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by **Tony Bennett** 23.05.14 8:41

Am not completely au fait with Twitter, but I think these comments are being made on the Met Police's own account.

If so, no doubt one of our hard-working police officers will be busy on the 'Delete' button this morning.

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Random gypsies? Who are you talking about?
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Gypsies, burglars, resort employees, Uncle Tom Cobley and all.
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Sorry, due to my MAN FLU, I misread your last tweet. Thought you were having a go at gypsies. Apologies. Ignore my reply
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I'm sure the police will eventually seek your consent. Just sit tight there. They're on their way...... [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Ludicrous,stop trying to find evidence to fit phoney abduction,do u think we the public were born yesterday.[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] How come hundreds of thousands of us can see it, yet the Police can't?
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I reckon they can see it,but for some bizarre reason(& ur guess is as good as mine)ignore it.
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Don't know what SY are playing at re [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] case,but until u investigate t obvious perps,Madeleine will never get justice.
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Well done [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] for dropping all references to "abduction". We all know that there was no abduction. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] They're white and middle class for starters :-(
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Being white is nothing to do with it,something else stinks re whole [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] case.
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Who's we, Babs? [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] They should be charged with child neglect at the very least. Why don't police want to know?
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] In October, the Met were talking of abduction - now they are talking of disappearance, as are the MSM [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Maybe Andy listened to one of his favourite shillettes? [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] …
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by **Tony Bennett** 23.05.14 8:42

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Yes, thank you! a 'high five hands touching' for putting this straight for once and for all ! [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Contradiction in official statement as some possible scenarios seem to have been avoided. Why?
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] For practical reasons,confidential, police are saying something without saying anything [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] lol good old Andy [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Sorry MW but its not a TV script. Mccanns would not be kept informed if at all being looked at
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] this is a 3 year old innocent child whose memory you are violating. Do the honorable thing, resign
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] please explain why this is violating her memory. Surely everyone is looking for the truth here?
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] so it is definitely a 'disappearance'! No mention of an abduction! [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] downdate not update. Who is missing,who? Uhnnnn
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] it was never an abduction just from liars K&G [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] the child abusers point of view
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Have you found out..or even tried..who died in 5A, and why the cadaver smell was all over [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]?
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] you think the different dogs may take a wee sniff into 5a again ? [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] No need. The top dogs were there. So, has SY found/tried to found out who died there? [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Jersey child abuse, the dogs found dead kids there too. Coconuts? Hmmmm milk teeth? Bones? Torture chambers?
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] The same dogs found evidence of child remains in Jersey, guess the police didn't teach dogs to cover up?
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Only [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] is trained/ordered to cover up? In [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] case it seams to be obvious.
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