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Post by stillsloppingout 10.10.13 12:40

Joking aside , the Met have form for fitting innocent people up Barry George for EG . 

IMO somebody [ probably perfectly innocent , in the literal sense as well] , will be receiving a knock at the door some time next week . 

All the Met etc have been doing for the past couple of year's is looking for somebody to take the hit for this " crime " . Hewlitt ? maybe, but i believe he was being watched where he lived . so that has scuppered the local Nonce theory . 

They IMO must have found either , the local village idiot ? , or somebody who will be up for taking the rap .or worst case , somebody INNOCENT is going to framed, to bring closure to this awkward situation that has arisen . 

DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE THE LENGTHS THE YARD AND THERE PAYMASTERS WILL GO TO GET THE RESULT THEY REQUIRE IN THIS CASE .
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Post by tasprin 10.10.13 12:42

sallypelt wrote:Has this been posted on this forum? If so, admins please remove.

Official Find Madeleine Campaign I would like for people to understand this from the point of view of Madeleine's parents. This is their child. How would you feel if your child's pictures were plastered all over Facebook and on questionable pages and you had no say it? Would you be so cavalier as to say we are only trying to help or would you understand that this is a living, breathing person we are talking about. She's not some character you read about in the news. She's their child. Yes, we need everyone's help, but why do people need to create other pages with family pictures. Why can people not just share our page? This page is an official page--what comes from this page comes directly from Madeleine's parents. It's what they want to share. ~FM Webmaster

Official Find Madeleine Campaign I would like for people to understand this from the point of view of Madeleine's parents. This is their child. How would you feel if your child's pictures were plastered all over Facebook and on questionable pages and you had no say it? Would you be so cavalier as to say we are only trying to help or would you understand that this is a living, breathing person we are talking about. She's not some character you read about in the news. She's their child. Yes, we need everyone's help, but why do people need to create other pages with family pictures. Why can people not just share our page? *This page is an official page--what comes from this page comes directly from Madeleine's parents. It's what they want to share ~FM Webmaster
The sheer hypocrisy of this couple is breathtaking. They have been instrumental in having their child’s pictures plastered all over the world’s media and the internet. They themselves released many family photos into the public domain which included members of the family, the twins and various cousins. After Madeleine’s disappearance they deliberately traipsed the twins around Praia da Luz when they could have spared them the public exposure, but of course the kids were needed then for the ‘happy family’ photo shoots/PR campaign. During the last six years they’ve continually used the twins as a human shield, constantly alluding to them, repeating what they’ve said in private and featuring them in their Mocumentary. Kate McCann published a book she claimed was written solely for her children which included more photos and documented her and her husbands sex life and a horrific imaginary description of her missing daughters abuse (and this was supposedly for the twins eyes only). The McCanns had the opportunity to have the libel trial held behind closed doors but they chose instead to have it heard in public because they needed another circus and as a consequence they exposed the twins to distressing headlines such as ‘Mum’s suicidal thoughts’ ‘Plot to kidnap McCann twins etc. IMO this request has nothing to do with Madeleine or the twins, it is just another attempt by them to control Facebook and dictate what is discussed on there as well as everywhere else.
* I suspect the Webmaster is Kate McCann.
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Post by Angelique 10.10.13 12:42

jeanmonroe wrote:Portia wrote:
"take the trouble to spend a few quid to inform AR/SY of any pertinent information"?
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Unlike DAVID PAYNE, who, i'm sure, has by NOW told AR/SY what he KNOWS to be pertinent and relevent 'things' to establish the MATERIAL 'TRUTH'!
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DC MESSIAH:1485 ”Is there anything that you consider pertinent or relevant to establish the material truth?”

DAVID PAYNE reply ”Err the, there are a few things but I don’t think this is the right forum for bringing those up.”

1485 ”Okay.

eta: you'd love to be 'interviewed' by 1485 if you'd committed a 'crime' wouldn't you?
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"DC MESSIAH:1485 ”Is there anything that you consider pertinent or relevant to establish the material truth?”

DAVID PAYNE reply ”Err the, there are a few things but I don’t think this is the right forum for bringing those up.”

1485 ”Okay."

Do you think this may have been like "the swans are flying tonight" coded message?

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Post by jeanmonroe 10.10.13 12:48

More like 'PIGS ARE FLYING TONIGHT'!

Or

"Yeah and PIGS might FLY"
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Post by Cristobell 10.10.13 12:51

I have had a look at the Official facebook page and agree, astounded at the latest posts.  It is curious that when the 'webmaster' (Kate) posts anything, it immediately comes up with thousands of 'likes'.  That is in units of 1000, 2000 or even 3,000 (units of 500 likes also seem to be available) and thereafter only one or two a day.  It should be noted 'Likes' are now a commodity, usually supplied by dodgy companies in India.  They make a product or a person appear more popular than they are.

But on another note, the McCanns are going to upload the Crimewatch video to their fb page and website. I would assume that they have now seen it, so we can take an educated case that they approve.  Of course, I don't suppose they have much choice, but knowing them so well, they would not promote Crimewatch if it did not promote the abduction.
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Post by Guest 10.10.13 12:52

That does indeed not bode well Cristobell that the Crimewatch reconstruction is going to do anything other than follow the official fairy tale.
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Post by jeanmonroe 10.10.13 12:53

stillsloppingout wrote:Joking aside , the Met have form for fitting innocent people up Barry George for EG . 

IMO somebody [ probably perfectly innocent , in the literal sense as well] , will be receiving a knock at the door some time next week . 

All the Met etc have been doing for the past couple of year's is looking for somebody to take the hit for this " crime " . Hewlitt ? maybe, but i believe he was being watched where he lived . so that has scuppered the local Nonce theory . 

They IMO must have found either , the local village idiot ? , or somebody who will be up for taking the rap .or worst case , somebody INNOCENT is going to framed, to bring closure to this awkward situation that has arisen . 

DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE THE LENGTHS THE YARD AND THERE PAYMASTERS WILL GO TO GET THE RESULT THEY REQUIRE IN THIS CASE .
So, not so much an E-FIT but rather more like an E-FIT UP!
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Post by sallypelt 10.10.13 12:53

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:That does indeed not bode well Cristobell that the Crimewatch reconstruction is going to do anything other than follow the official fairy tale.
Looks like another PR onslaught. We may as well all pack up and go home.
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Post by Cristobell 10.10.13 13:00

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:I presume that is the Barack Obama lookalike.
 
There are a lot of shady characters (in the meaning of dodgy) in this story.

The Official Find Madeleine Campaign Facebook page is being regularly updated.

There's a request for everyone to respect the twins' privacy.....yes, Kate, that would be a good idea, wouldn't it?
Totally agree NFWTD, there are indeed a lot of shady characters in this story.  That is why I think it will be impossible to cover this up forever more.  And they are not all high achieving pillars of the community, some are out and out scallywags and low lives who would sell their grandmother for thruppence!
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Post by tasprin 10.10.13 13:04

Cristobell wrote:I have had a look at the Official facebook page and agree, astounded at the latest posts.  It is curious that when the 'webmaster' (Kate) posts anything, it immediately comes up with thousands of 'likes'.  That is in units of 1000, 2000 or even 3,000 (units of 500 likes also seem to be available) and thereafter only one or two a day.  It should be noted 'Likes' are now a commodity, usually supplied by dodgy companies in India.  They make a product or a person appear more popular than they are.

But on another note, the McCanns are going to upload the Crimewatch video to their fb page and website. I would assume that they have now seen it, so we can take an educated case that they approve.  Of course, I don't suppose they have much choice, but knowing them so well, they would not promote Crimewatch if it did not promote the abduction.
The 'likes' all bought and paid for from the Find Maddie fund no doubt.

Yes, they must be confident the 'Elite team' at Scotland Yard are conducting a whitewash. Corrupt and broken UK. What a shambles.
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Post by jeanmonroe 10.10.13 13:08

Only FIVE days to go , Maddie.

Before mummy and daddy and Andy rescue you from your dungeon lair.

Chin up, girl.

Soon be reunited with the very loving people that created the opportunity for you to go 'missing' in the first place.

They won't let you keep the doggie your friendly 'abductor' bought you. Sorry.

Mummy and daddy don't like dogs!



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Post by Cristobell 10.10.13 13:11

sallypelt wrote:
No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:That does indeed not bode well Cristobell that the Crimewatch reconstruction is going to do anything other than follow the official fairy tale.
Looks like another PR onslaught. We may as well all pack up and go home.
It looks that way if it has McCann seal of approval.  I am consoling myself with the thought that Andy may still be peeling away at that onion and there are only a few layers to go, but I am not hopeful.  Unfortunately, I think the McCanns may be appearing on our screens for many years to come.  Crimewatch 'fiction' however, cannot stand up to court room facts, and many more people are now looking for their news on the internet.  We must continue to get the truth out there.
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Post by galena 10.10.13 13:20

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:That does indeed not bode well Cristobell that the Crimewatch reconstruction is going to do anything other than follow the official fairy tale.
That's what I am expecting - the first Crimewatch appeal was an embarrassing waste of time, this is likely to be more of the same. Realistically what new evidence is likely to come up in a case that was so widely publicised from day one, with police from UK and Portugal/private investigators/journalists and last - and not least - trusty internet sleuths all picking over the same material? Another PR exercise along with the new sightings, new theories to reinforce the belief that the McCanns are doing all they can to find their daughter and co--operating with the authorities.
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Post by marconi 10.10.13 15:19

I suspect the abductor is that Barbara Streisend of the picture.
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Post by bobbin 10.10.13 15:45

marconi wrote:I suspect the abductor is that Barbara Streisend of the picture.
I know English is not your first language marconi, but you've lost me here.
Normally your English is very good. I'd be interested to know what your first language is by the way and how long you've been speaking English, because usually your words are very clear. yes 
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Post by marconi 10.10.13 15:50

Cristobell wrote:
sallypelt wrote:
No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:That does indeed not bode well Cristobell that the Crimewatch reconstruction is going to do anything other than follow the official fairy tale.
Looks like another PR onslaught. We may as well all pack up and go home.
It looks that way if it has McCann seal of approval.  I am consoling myself with the thought that Andy may still be peeling away at that onion and there are only a few layers to go, but I am not hopeful.  Unfortunately, I think the McCanns may be appearing on our screens for many years to come.  Crimewatch 'fiction' however, cannot stand up to court room facts, and many more people are now looking for their news on the internet.  We must continue to get the truth out there.
Cristobell, please don't worry. This couldn't be true. The  police informing anyone, even the McCanns, before the program? The Webmaster's appeal is a cry for help not for Madeleine but for them.I don't even believe that the program is completely finished because police cases can change all the time, every moment.
Remember Gerry's words, talking about the pieces of the puzzle, found by the Yard: "we are still miles and miles away".Imo, the McCanns are manipulating us, out of dispair.
Do you believe that the PJ would allow the Yard to inform the parents or anyone else? Not at all.
If they knew what the program was, we would read a lot more on their facebook, defending themselves. What the Webmaster is writing is very vague.


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Post by marconi 10.10.13 15:53

bobbin wrote:
marconi wrote:I suspect the abductor is that Barbara Streisend of the picture.
I know English is not your first language marconi, but you've lost me here.
Normally your English is very good. I'd be interested to know what your first language is by the way and how long you've been speaking English, because usually your words are very clear. yes 
my first language is Portuguese.
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Post by bobbin 10.10.13 15:57

marconi wrote:
bobbin wrote:
marconi wrote:I suspect the abductor is that Barbara Streisend of the picture.
I know English is not your first language marconi, but you've lost me here.
Normally your English is very good. I'd be interested to know what your first language is by the way and how long you've been speaking English, because usually your words are very clear. yes 
my first language is Portuguese.
Thank you, that's fabulous. Perhaps we can call upon you to help with translations when 'us non-Portuguese-speaking' members get stuck ...you must be bi-lingual with your English being so good. clapping 
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Post by Tony Bennett 10.10.13 17:45

Cristobell wrote:
sallypelt wrote:
No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:That does indeed not bode well Cristobell that the Crimewatch reconstruction is going to do anything other than follow the official fairy tale.
Looks like another PR onslaught. We may as well all pack up and go home.
It looks that way if it has McCann seal of approval.  I am consoling myself with the thought that Andy may still be peeling away at that onion and there are only a few layers to go, but I am not hopeful.  Unfortunately, I think the McCanns may be appearing on our screens for many years to come.  Crimewatch 'fiction' however, cannot stand up to court room facts, and many more people are now looking for their news on the internet.  We must continue to get the truth out there.
I am just wondering what the next metaphor will be.

We have had:

THE MISSING KEY - the key that will unlock this mystery

THE ONION - it's like peeling off the layers of an onion

A JIGSAW - a bloke seen near the apartment may be another missing piece of the jigsaw.

Before that, of course, we had one of the most wretched metaphors of all time

BEING OVERDRAWN

It was like learning that you're overdrawn on your student loan.

Surely these people have got more metaphors than the above three?

There must be more and even better ones.

Surely?


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Post by Daisy 10.10.13 18:08

I voted Carol Tranmer man because we've never been shown this e-fit before. In fact reading through her (second) statement it appears that this particular e-fit mysteriously went missing and she was shown an entirely different image that she disputed giving.

Her first statement was given on the 8th may 2007, this statement along with her e-fit is missing from the files.

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Post by Guest 10.10.13 18:12

Tony Bennett wrote:
Cristobell wrote:
sallypelt wrote:
No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:That does indeed not bode well Cristobell that the Crimewatch reconstruction is going to do anything other than follow the official fairy tale.
Looks like another PR onslaught. We may as well all pack up and go home.
It looks that way if it has McCann seal of approval.  I am consoling myself with the thought that Andy may still be peeling away at that onion and there are only a few layers to go, but I am not hopeful.  Unfortunately, I think the McCanns may be appearing on our screens for many years to come.  Crimewatch 'fiction' however, cannot stand up to court room facts, and many more people are now looking for their news on the internet.  We must continue to get the truth out there.
 I am just wondering what the next metaphor will be.

We have had:

THE MISSING KEY - the key that will unlock this mystery

THE ONION - it's like peeling off the layers of an onion

A JIGSAW - a bloke seen near the apartment may be another missing piece of the jigsaw.

Before that, of course, we had one of the most wretched metaphors of all time

BEING OVERDRAWN

It was like learning that you're overdrawn on your student loan.

Surely these people have got more metaphors than the above three?

There must be more and even better ones.

Surely?

 
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Post by aiyoyo 10.10.13 18:17

None of those listed.

Remember it has got to be "new" otherwise it doesn't count!
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Post by Liz Eagles 10.10.13 18:47

Will Missing People who adopted Kate as their ambassador to launch their new digital media (they're up for an award for that) be showing the new e-fit on these digital screens throughout the UK?

Will the Houses of Parliament/Marble Arch light up with a lasered image of the new e-fit?

Will cinemas throughout the UK be advertising the new e-fit whilst people wait to watch a film?

Are there possible plans for a digi-fest?

This is pure speculation on my part but I wouldn't find it a great surprise if it were to happen.
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Post by tigger 10.10.13 19:01

I think they'd rather have their own images on the Houses of Parliament .

As for the rest - it would no longer surprise me. The abduction is a fixture as are the McCann halos.

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Post by Daisy 10.10.13 19:10

aiyoyo wrote:None of those listed.

Remember it has got to be "new" otherwise it doesn't count!
We haven't seen the Carol Tranmer one yet, (it went missing) so wouldn't that be considered as new?

She'd also make a very credible witness too in the eyes of the general public. Not only did she work for the queen & royal family she also claims she knew them on a personal level.

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Post by tasprin 10.10.13 19:20

aquila wrote:Will Missing People who adopted Kate as their ambassador to launch their new digital media (they're up for an award for that) be showing the new e-fit on these digital screens throughout the UK?

Will the Houses of Parliament/Marble Arch light up with a lasered image of the new e-fit?

Will cinemas throughout the UK be advertising the new e-fit whilst people wait to watch a film?

Are there possible plans for a digi-fest?

This is pure speculation on my part but I wouldn't find it a great surprise if it were to happen.
Ah yes, Missing people's latest poster campaign 'The missing abductor' last seen by Lady Catherine Meyer big grin 
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Post by Harriet94 10.10.13 19:34

I'm sorry , but I can't remember the names of previous 'photo fits' or where they came from. There was a spotty man that resembled Gerry McCann but was this a made up spoof? The only other one I remember looked like George Harrison
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Post by Liz Eagles 13.10.13 11:25

The findmadeleine website has been updated with the Crimewatch trailer.

There have been no update messages from the McCanns since May 2013.

The Christmas 2012 update is interesting as it strives to explain Fund expenditure.

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Christmas 2012
As we approach the end of another year, we'd like to thank everyone again for their amazing support. It is both heart-warming and reassuring to know that after all this time Madeleine still remains in so many people's hearts and minds. This solidarity and commitment gives us great hope. Thank you.
The Metropolitan Police Review of all the material in the inquiry has been underway for over eighteen months. We have been really impressed and greatly encouraged by the work which has been done and its findings to date which are revealing there are definitely many stones yet to turn. We continue to wait and hope that the Portuguese authorities will agree to reopen the case so that the many lines of enquiry can be investigated. As Madeleine's parents, we won't be able to rest until we know that all that can be feasibly done to find her, and the person who took her, has been done.
In the meantime, we will continue to do all that we can to aid the search for our daughter and assist the Review process.
This year, Madeleine's Fund has paid for:
1. A 24 hour, 7 day a week telephone line to receive and capture information from around the world which may assist the investigation
2. A small investigation team, including a Portuguese speaker to help with the above and with campaign activities.
Since March 2012 independent `physical' investigation of lines of enquiry by our team has been put on hold whilst the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) Review progresses. This has been to avoid duplication (and thereby unnecessary expenditure) and to prevent the risk of compromising any work, albeit unintentionally, carried out by the MPS. The private investigation team employed by the Fund continue to cooperate and work with the Metropolitan Police as and when necessary.
3. Part-time administrative support to aid the investigation and campaign to find Madeleine (campaign coordinator and media liaison)
4. The awareness-raising campaign to ensure that Madeleine is not forgotten and to encourage the general public to remain vigilant. This has included the running of the Find Madeleine website.
5. Assistance from a specialist Portuguese communications agency to ensure that our message is communicated as widely and accurately as possible in Portugal, where support and help to find Madeleine is especially needed.
We are very aware that without public help it will be virtually impossible to find Madeleine. It would have been incredibly difficult for us to have maintained a search for her this long without such support, including donations to the Fund. Due to the sales of my book, `Madeleine', the financial position of the Fund has significantly improved from a year and a half ago so we would like to reiterate our gratitude to everybody who bought the book. This has helped the search in more ways than one. Whilst fund expenditure has decreased over the past six months (due to a reduction in investigation spending as outlined in point 2) the Directors feel it is important that the fund maintains reasonable reserves so that the search for Madeleine can be resumed quickly should the MPS review not lead to a reopening of the case in Portugal. We desperately hope of course that the official investigation to find Madeleine will be reopened – and soon – as we still believe this is probably our best chance of finding our little girl.
Despite becoming stronger in ourselves and being able to create as special a Christmas as possible for our children, this time of year will never be as it should without Madeleine. Whilst Gerry and I think it constantly, Sean and Amelie now vocalise it, especially when doing something really nice like putting up the decorations….”If only Madeleine was here too…”
If you know what has happened to Madeleine, or where she might be now, please, please do the right thing: Find the compassion and courage and let us know. Thank you.
This past weekend we sat and opened the many, many Christmas cards which have been sent to us, at what is now our sixth Christmas without Madeleine. The majority were from people we have never met. It was once again a very humbling yet totally uplifting experience. We are deeply touched by the thoughtfulness and compassion which we continue to experience and for the love and hope which shine through for Madeleine. Thank you so much. It means such a lot - and helps us immensely.
MERRY CHRISTMAS to all of our supporters. We wish you a festive period full of laughter, warmth and friendship – and hope for a special 2013.

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Post by Cristobell 13.10.13 11:40

Thank you for remind us of that Aquila.

What utter hypocrisy from start to finish!  One of the significant parts of Enid O'Dowd's excellent report on the Fund accounts, was the fact that there were NO employees, yet here they are stating the Fund paid for a part time co-ordinator, media liaison and someone to run the website.  

I am absolutely flabbergasted that they did not use investigators because of the risk of compromising the investigation! They had no such qualms in 2007 when the PJ were investigating!
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