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Just how many 'McCann-believers' are there?

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Just how many 'McCann-believers' are there?

Post by rainbow-fairy on 11.06.13 19:42

The reason I ask this is that nobody, that's NOBODY, I know (openly) believes the McCanns Version of the Truth (any of them).
Now whether we are all just born cynical this way, I don't know.

Would love comments too from those who DID initially believe what changed their mind, and the same for their friends :)

Guess I'll start the vote with 'Nobody I know believes them'...

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Re: Just how many 'McCann-believers' are there?

Post by aquila on 11.06.13 19:51

@rainbow-fairy wrote:The reason I ask this is that nobody, that's NOBODY, I know (openly) believes the McCanns Version of the Truth (any of them).
Now whether we are all just born cynical this way, I don't know.

Would love comments too from those who DID initially believe what changed their mind, and the same for their friends :)

Guess I'll start the vote with 'Nobody I know believes them'...

I don't know anyone who doesn't think there's something not right about Madeleine's disappearance. Even a relative of mine who is always willing to believe the best in people and make excuses for them says....mmmmmm.
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Re: Just how many 'McCann-believers' are there?

Post by PeterMac on 11.06.13 20:06

Myt vote is on behalf of friends and acquaintances.
One, a retired P&SS investigator, previously counter-intelligence, and so on, took an hour to plough through the e-book, and look at the 60 reasons book,
which -KEVIN - I bought a long time ago, in multiple copies and which - KEVIN, I am prepared to supply to anyone who want one, and which - KEVIN is freely available on the internet anyway, (you cretin )
the second a very high profile Head of Chambers, who conned the brief overnight and said over breakfast "It is obvious. She died in the apartment and the parents hid the body."
And many more, all normal people, the sort who sit on juries, who having actually looked at the evidence, and the lack of evidence, come to the same broad conclusion.

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Re: Just how many 'McCann-believers' are there?

Post by Guest on 11.06.13 20:20

Even here in France, Peter. I bought Amaral's book in French and had it circulated in the village. The moment you mention a couple of crucial points, they're interested, start doubting the story and want to know more.
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Re: Just how many 'McCann-believers' are there?

Post by Guest on 11.06.13 20:24

quote PeterMac:
"It is obvious. She died in the apartment and the parents hid the body."
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Or the parents know who hid the body. But, yes, she died. And whatever, they KNOW ... It is the only thing I am convinced about: whatever happened, THEY KNOW what happened.
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Re: Just how many 'McCann-believers' are there?

Post by roy rovers on 11.06.13 20:27

How many people read books? Not many. This is similar. Most people watch the telly and read redtops. I'd say there are millions of believers - the vast majority. I don't know anyone with an interest in this case apart from those on this forum.
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Re: Just how many 'McCann-believers' are there?

Post by Guest on 11.06.13 20:46

So I can count myself lucky that I know other ones ...
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Re: Just how many 'McCann-believers' are there?

Post by View-from-Ireland on 11.06.13 21:36

I think it's about 50:50 in Ireland.

A lot of my good friends think I am turning into a conspiracy theorist simply because I don't believe the McCann's.

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Re: Just how many 'McCann-believers' are there?

Post by Guest on 11.06.13 22:12

I've only come across 2 people who support them. Quite a lot dislike the couple intensely and feel there's something very shady about them. But at the same time they feel if the UK authorities didn't act against them and because they're receiving such positive media coverage they must be innocent after all.

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Post by View-from-Ireland on 11.06.13 22:16

Finn wrote:I've only come across 2 people who support them. Quite a lot dislike the couple intensely and feel there's something very shady about them. But at the same time they feel if the UK authorities didn't act against them and because they're receiving such positive media coverage they must be innocent after all.


A journalist friend of mine argues that they are pulling off a pretty ballsy strategy if they are guilty and yet are still willing to do so much to keep the case in the news and campaigning for the investigation.

In fairness, the above is as good a defence of the McCanns as one could muster.

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Re: Just how many 'McCann-believers' are there?

Post by whmon on 11.06.13 22:33

I would imagine that the main supporters of the Mccanns are friends and family and of course the Mccanns themselves. I bet KM has a lot of free time for posting on the internet under various names - children at school, no (real) job, probably a cleaner coming in.

As for non - friends and family supporters, I imagine that most people assume it is inconceivable that parents (and gosh - parents who are Drs) could have anything to do with the disappearance of their own child. And as Finn has stated above - people tend to sheepishly believe the media. The problem is that this group can't get past their rose-tinted view of middle England and so don't bother to look at the hard evidence.

Which is more disbelievable - that the Mccanns are guilty, or that cadaver scent/blood droplets/doors locked then unlocked/shutters broken/then not broken/etc is all explained away? (and explained away badly at that, infact, not explained away at all.) I think there can only be one answer to that one.

As an aside - which LinkedIn group do you think is best to post a link to the free ebook on?

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Re: Just how many 'McCann-believers' are there?

Post by suzyjohnson on 11.06.13 23:22

Most of the people I know, in so far as they are interested, only have information from tv and believe them. I just have one friend who is as interested in the case as I am. (Apart from this case when has there ever been so much information available on an ongoing case?)

I think that's the thing really, once you get interested and start reading up on the case, then you start to think, hold on a minute, the evidence does tend towards the McCann's being involved.

At first you think oh well they couldn't possibly have been involved, they would need alibis from the rest of the group, they didn't hire the car until 2-3 weeks later, etc. But then you get a reasonable explanation for the bits you are having trouble accepting, from someone like Pat Brown, and you begin to look at it all in a new light.

That's the path I followed with this anyway.

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Re: Just how many 'McCann-believers' are there?

Post by rainbow-fairy on 12.06.13 0:32

Chatelaine, aquila, Finn,agreed :)
PeterMac, absolutely. I don't think it would be possible for anyone with more than one brain cell to read the literature and come to any other conclusion roses
View-from-Ireland, I'm part Irish and despite the stereotype most Irish are far from daft. However, I suppose the McCann's do constantly praise their Irish 'support' and roots!
@roy rovers wrote:How many people read books? Not many. This is similar. Most people watch the telly and read redtops. I'd say there are millions of believers - the vast majority. I don't know anyone with an interest in this case apart from those on this forum.
Hi roy rovers, you do raise an important point and I certainly concede that most people have no interest in the McCann case whatsoever, BUT - all those I referred to as not believing the McCanns have no interest either.
My late Dad would get so annoyed, tell me I was wasting my time - "Why BOTHER? The girl is DEAD". My Mum will listen under sufferance but my sister is one of these if she hasn't heard or seen it, it can't have happened kind of people lalala.
No interest in the case whatsoever, but no belief in it either.....

However I suspect you are correct and a lot of dumb sheeples swallow pink dung without even blinking winkwink

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Re: Just how many 'McCann-believers' are there?

Post by tigger on 12.06.13 6:27

But the PR helped the believers. I told an old friend (who's a catholic) what I thought and she said: 'But they've been blessed by the POPE!'

End of conversation. That was a deciding factor for her. I could never change her mind because after the visit to the Vatican that would be tantamount to heresy.

That's why they also went to the shrine of Fatima in rather a hurry. Quick, play the religion card for all it's worth.
Gerry had an epiphany in the church and Kate talked to God himself.

The early campaign was very, very good in terms of swaying the public's mind. It was paradise for those PR who specialise in restoring reputations.
Rowling, Branson, Beckham and all sorts of celebrities were dragged into the show.

It was a brilliant move in publicity and PR terms to do so. Imo GMcC is far from brilliant imo and same goes for Clarrie. Imo someone smarter than TM and CM stepped in right after 3/5 using CM as the front man.

But such an effort cannot be sustained over such a long period. Six years ago it was worth pulling out all the stops to elevate the McCanns to sainthood, didn't work and now it's either keeping up appearances for the next fourteen years of so (when the rest of the PJ files will be made public) or - like many films nowadays - create several 'endings'.


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Re: Just how many 'McCann-believers' are there?

Post by Praiaaa on 12.06.13 7:00

I sometimes wonder if one of the reasons for the high profile and constant publicity is so that in the event of a trial they could argue that they are so famous, all the press has been against them etc, and so they could not have a fair trial. Could that happen?

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Re: Just how many 'McCann-believers' are there?

Post by aiyoyo on 12.06.13 8:21

My vote is also on behalf of friends and acquaintances.

One, who's in military intelligence (Brit), said it's obvious Maddie died in the apt (probably of an accident), and her parents not telling the truth.
He said their use of a media PR is typical trait of people with something to hide, won't speak for themselves without first filtering through a PR, definitely not behaviour of innocent, quite the contrary. Main function of PR is there to lie and spin client's story, period.

One, Arab ex-copper friend said the mccanns knew exactly what happened to Maddie. He believes Maddie died in the apt, and one or both her parents the perpetrators.

One, American psychologist friend, said their public behavior displayed disturbing elements that would alarm people in their field of study. He believes Maddie died in the apt and her parents living a lie.
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Re: Just how many 'McCann-believers' are there?

Post by Guest on 12.06.13 9:00

I don't actually go round initiating conversations about the McCanns but every time there is a new "sighting", someone will say something along the lines of they wish the McCanns would go away as its obvious they had something to do with Maddie's disappearance.


That's when I tell them about the dogs, police reports & relevant websites.


Keep those sightings coming Clarence they are most helpful ...just not to the McCanns.
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Re: Just how many 'McCann-believers' are there?

Post by Lostfridge on 12.06.13 9:26

I work with professional people including many Doctors of various descriptions. They either believe what they have read in the UK papers and TV, or just don't care about the case. I have mentioned it and they seem shocked that I would think anything other than the Mccanns are victims. I asked them if they read up on the case and in every instance they have not! they are making an opinion based solely on UK publishing and broadcasting. One such person asked me why I think otherwise, and without giving anything of my own opinion other than 'I don't believe it was an abduction'. I gave them a link to mccannfiles.com, only then did they have a different opinion and indeed very shocked. For me it goes to show what a blinder TM have played with the UK media and the difference that a simple link to information on the case (that is factual but isn't reported on in the UK). I never point anyone toward Facebook, forums (sorry) or certainly not Twitter , as they are full of nonsense, misinformation and extreme ignorance and hatred on both sides!.
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Re: Just how many 'McCann-believers' are there?

Post by Guest on 12.06.13 10:19

My vote is on A preportion of people DON'T believe them. People will have believed at the beginng, and over the first few years with all the PR and celebs pulled into their false cause, however as time has gone on those people will have gone down by half if not more. Acess to the internet and sites like this one will have put questions in their mind that they want answers to, but they will also have read how the McCann's sue anybody who don't agree with their version of events. When comments are allowed following press articals about them or sightings most of them are anti McCann and neglect of their children amongs't other things, now if there is anything printed about them it's no comments allowed, or if there is it seems that anti McCann posts are filtered out, why? have the press been told not to allow comments any more becuse there are post's condeming them, the public are not stupid and are seeing through their web of lies. When I've spoken to family and friends about Madeleine and explained a few things that don't add up, they tend to say "Oh I didn't know that"

That's what's missing people aren't being allowed to know.

When the story first broke of Madeleine missing I remember saying "It's the parents", my veiws have never changed in fact they have grown stronger, seeing photos of them laughing, balloons, ribbons ect, and the visit to see the Pope I thought "My God how can you behave like that you have a child missing".

Madeleine is not a daughter to them she is a source for money, how they can live with themself's and sleep at night God only knows, but in the end he is the one they will answer to, thats if they go that way, has I've said before "The Road to Hell is Paved with Gold"
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Re: Just how many 'McCann-believers' are there?

Post by suzyjohnson on 12.06.13 10:50

I have always thought that it was chance really that the press have ended up where they are with respect to the McCanns rather than the McCanns being protected by the government for any sinister reason. Why would they have sought out expensive extradition lawyers for themselves for example if they were being protected?

Imo these are the factors which have contributed to people believing them -
1) A group of doctors - even if you were prepared to accept that the McCanns might not be telling the truth, why would the others cover for them?
2) Gordon Brown contacting them, for sympathetic reasons, which initially got the government involved
3) The goodwill of people, sending money and assisting in the search. Because a great many people believe them, including for example
tv personalities, then other people assume that they must be telling the truth
4) The fact that it happened abroad and that most British people do not speak Portuguese, for example this has enabled the McCanns to claim they were cleared of involvement when actually the Portuguese report was somewhat different.
5) The inability of the Portuguese to prove their case, so far, which has led to two further consequences -
i) The government giving the McCanns sympathetic support because of the media
ii) The press having to backtrack on what they were printing.



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Re: Just how many 'McCann-believers' are there?

Post by sammyc on 12.06.13 12:08

When I mention the disappearance of Madeleine  to the people I know, their immediate response is along the lines of parental involvement in some capacity.  I have asked many to visit this forum and others to find out what the MSM are not publishing or broadcasting.  Most say they haven't got the time, don't know where to begin as there is quite a lot to plough through, so I printed off the ebook which has recently been added here.

Lo and behold!  The first person to pick up Part 1 was astonished by what they read and wants more info, another supporter for Madeleine!.  I suppose in a way there is a lot of reading online to be done but the ebook is in a far more clear and concise format which can be passed on to many others.  Every supporter for Madeleine is a doubter of the McCanns.
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Re: Just how many 'McCann-believers' are there?

Post by ShuBob on 12.06.13 13:53

I don't think I know anyone who believes the McCanns' version of events. I mean which version are they supposed to believe? One or two believe Maddie was abducted but they still don't believe the McCanns' stories of how that came to happen.

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Re: Just how many 'McCann-believers' are there?

Post by Casey5 on 12.06.13 20:20

( Praiaaa Today at 7:00 am
I sometimes wonder if one of the reasons for the high profile and constant publicity is so that in the event of a trial they could argue that they are so famous, all the press has been against them etc, and so they could not have a fair trial. Could that happen?)

Not in Portugal afaik because trials are not normally jury based trials. The evidence is read by a judge or judges, who I believe, can call witnesses, but there's no cross-examination like we have.
Therefore the fact that they are "infamous" wouldn't matter because the judges would not be swayed by public opinion etc.



I believe that only a small proportion of the British public know, or are interested in the slightest, in the McCann case. I rarely mention the McCanns, my husband's eyes glaze over if I do although he thinks they're lying toads but I have a sister who is very interested, bless her and being without a computer relies on me to print everything of interest in the case and I can discuss it with her. She thinks there was no abduction and Madeleine is dead but, however, her daughter is a fence-sitter.
I think the McCanns have been so lucky all the way through. They were doctors, high earners, large house, well connected- otherwise they couldn't have got their version of the story out to so many influential people so quickly, had small twins used shamelessly for photo opportunities, Catholics. And friends who were prepared  to protect them and cover their backs.
Add a fawning press who never, never asked awkward questions, an Ambassador who stuck his oar in, a Prime Minister who offered unlimited help, celebrities who pledged support and money.
They were very, very lucky imo. Until they ran into an immovable object named Goncalo Amaral, how they must hate him.
Let's hope their luck runs out.

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Post by Guest on 12.06.13 20:48

@Casey5 wrote: [...] being without a computer relies on me to print everything of interest in the case [...]




??????
Sorry, Casey5. It seems I'd been reading too fast and missed you were referring to your sister ...
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Post by plebgate on 12.06.13 20:54

As shubob said, which version are people expected to believe.

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