Re: Criminal Profiler Pat Brown's Maddie Search Fund - Lisbon & PdL Feb 6th - Feb 21st 2012

by Invinoveritas 24.11.11 15:13

aiyoyo wrote:
Xavier wrote:
HiDeHo wrote:Pat is not a 'newbie' to nasty and negative comments towards her.

She is a whistleblower.

She has the courage of her convictions and knows that negative attention confirms the importance of her efforts.

Portugal is the first 'leg' of her journey...it won't stop at that...

Maybe UK next?

Pat is a credible 'force' not to be messed with and I believe she will stop at nothing....

NOTHING!

_______________

Credible force? You jest.

"PAT BROWN
@ProfilerPatB
Why would the PJ leak a Portuguese translation of Kate's diary when they had photocopies of the diary in English? #McCann"

Ye gods.

Sorry I am lost. Who said anything about leaking a portuguese translation?

Forgive me for butting in, could this be a referal to what Kate said at the inquiry, if I remember correctly, when questioned about the publication of the diary, she said that it wasn't the original because there were some words that didn't correlate with the original and that it was a retranslation from the portuegese translation back into english, thereby pointing the finger at the PJ, of course up to now there is no evidence to prove this, the reporter/editor who posted the diary would have to be questioned about his/her source

Oops sorry Stella! double posting, I missed yours

by Guest 24.11.11 15:16

Great minds think alike Invinoveritas. Criminal Profiler Pat Brown's Maddie Search Fund - Lisbon & PdL Feb 6th - Feb 21st 2012 - Page 2 957704

by Guest 24.11.11 15:19

The point is as mentioned by Pat Brown, the PJ must have photocopied Kate's diary which was in English, therefore, they would have had ENGLISH copies to leak if they had wanted to - not Portuguese. It seems the inquiry is going to look into the leaking of this diary and how the NotW obtained them......................

LORD JUSTICE LEVESON: Mr Sherborne, I think that is
5 a speech. We can discuss what we should do, and of
6 course I'm in a position to do something about it,
7 because if there's a name, then I can issue a request,
8 and I put the word "request" in inverted commas, under
9 Section 21 of the 2005 Act, and I can find out.

10 MR SHERBORNE: Sir, I understand that. It's not just the
11 byline, if I may say, with respect, because that's the
12 person who wrote the story. There is also the question,
13 which I'm sure the McCanns would like to be dealt with,
14 if possible, which is who obtained and in what
15 circumstances they obtained the diary from the
16 Portuguese police.

by Guest 24.11.11 15:28

Which makes perfect sense.

by Guest 24.11.11 15:31

I wonder what the PJ will make of this?

by Invinoveritas 24.11.11 15:32

When did the "diary" appear in NOTW?

according to the PJ files the copie(s) were destroyed on or after 27th June 2008:

Conclusion 26-06-2008

(Presents invoice)

The photocopies of the 'diary' do not contain any material of interest to the ongoing investigation, but relate to the personal and inviolable personal experiences of any person.

Accordingly I order the diary's respective destruction.

Portimao

2008-06-27

Pedro Frias
Criminal Instruction Judge

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BIBLE.htm#p17p4486 at the bottom of the page

by Guest 24.11.11 15:36

Actually Mr Sherbourne said this yesterday....

There is also the question,
which I'm sure the McCanns would like to be dealt with,
if possible, which is who obtained and in what
circumstances they obtained the diary from the
Portuguese police.

He is stating that as almost fact. How does he know where NOTW got their copy from , how does he know it came from the PJ? - hope PJ are watching.

by Invinoveritas 24.11.11 16:36

I've answered myself haha, NotW published on the 14th of september 2008:
On 14 September 2008, the News of the World published extracts from 'Kate's Diary'. The newspaper claimed that the 135-page 'journal', written on an A4 pad, had been passed to them by a Portuguese reporter.

Portugal's best-selling daily newspaper 'Correio da Manhã' had already serialised extracts from the diary during July 2008 without comment from the McCanns.

On the 28th of July 2008 the Sun also published a short report of the emergence of the diary:

The pages were obtained from police files by a Portuguese paper.

blue extracts from :
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id166.html

by Guest 24.11.11 16:55

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So the Diary copies were destroyed in June 2008 and the papers printed it in September 2008 !!!

Which means they could not have come from the PJ Criminal Profiler Pat Brown's Maddie Search Fund - Lisbon & PdL Feb 6th - Feb 21st 2012 - Page 2 589179

Criminal Profiler Pat Brown's Maddie Search Fund - Lisbon & PdL Feb 6th - Feb 21st 2012 - Page 2 589179

Oh joy

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by aiyoyo 24.11.11 17:07

By Daniel Sanderson, 13/09/2008

Snipped: Now, for the first time, the News of the World can fill in the blanks and nail those lies. The 135-page journal covering April 28, 2007 to Tuesday, July 31, was passed to us by a reporter in Portugal appalled by the sickening smear campaign against the McCanns.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id166.html

Now, the NOTW published it in Sept 2008, two months after it had appeared in Portuguese papers.

A reporter in Portugal could mean anything - it could well mean a British reporter in Portugal or it could mean as Daniel Sanderson would like people to deduce. So it's clear it wasn't the PJ who passed this to Daniel Sanderson. Of course the 'reporter' be it British or Portuguese could have got it from a different source and the source is anyone's guess.

Since Leveson does not have jurisdiction over state of Portugal I doubt he's going to get to the bottom of the 'leaked source' nor can he do anything about that speculation. He's either naive or sucking up to the gerry's balls when he assumed it was the PJ. A Judge his calibre chairing such an important inquiry should not make assumption AT ALL. He's supposed to be impartial. If from the onset he cant demonstrate himself to be impartial it makes a mockery hence a farcical of the Inquiry.

Also, if the PJ wanted to leak it why bother handing out the 'translation into portuguese version' when they'd the facsimile copy of the real thing.

Plus, the Portuguese Press had printed it (kate's puke) in July 2008 (post shelving - it is safe to assume?) so what would be the point of passing it over to their UK counterpart when it serves nothing post shelving, even if they (Portuguese side) were guaranteed it would appear in the UK press. Also, journalist's words nor work is never ever guaranteed because it is always subjected to censor and/or approval from Editor.

The bit that interests me is when gerry said they were told (by whom I cant remember unless people want to go over his yesterday's dialogue - presumably CM) that the Sun was going to do a good piece about them that weekend only for them to discover it was 'kate's puke' splashed on the front pages of the Sun. Which begs the question, camp mccanns must have got inside information from Sun ahead of the publication to be able to inform the mccanns about Sun's intention to do a piece about them over the weekend, so why didn't this informant find out what the good news was going to be before informing the mccanns?

Call me cynic - maybe the informant (CM most likely - I think yesterday gerry did mention it to be CM but someone has to look back on yesterday's proceedings to confirm as I am not 100% sure) was told by Sun they were going to print kate's diary and CM didnt stop them, thinking the diary would portray kate's inner feelings and reflect her in good lights as a good mum, to deflect all the negatives they'd been getting so far, hence the Sun's impression they got mccanns' explicit permission to print it. Well, if they'd told CM about their intention to print and CM didnt object it's as good as getting a nod from mccanns.

The mccanns had bitten more than they can chew...they go into this with their eyes wide opened to accuse the hands that feed them (the Press) and they may be surprised the source isnt who they thought it was and this is going to backfire on them as certain quarters are watching. Every mccanns public appearance is going to be useful for certain quarters.

by jd 24.11.11 17:48

I got a very strong sense of feeling from yesterdays freak show that they were worried about CM, and why they went overboard with their continuous praise of him, it looked too obvious. Its strange (like everything else) that after the India sighting he has disappeared with no explanation (to my knowledge) and his secretary (I think) saying he had left the role. One can't help feeling that the India sighting was too much for CM and even he realised this was getting too stupid, and he left not on the best of amicable terms. Hence the worry of him saying something one day he shouldn't do...keep your friends close but keep your enemies closer!

by Guest 24.11.11 18:01

Clarence's fate was always on the cards. He was employed by the last corrupt Government and it was only a matter of time before the new one got wise to what was really going on.

10 green bottles, became 9. Let's watch the rest of them fall next year !!! One by one...

by **Nina** 24.11.11 18:52

aiyoyo wrote:

By Daniel Sanderson, 13/09/2008

Snipped: Now, for the first time, the News of the World can fill in the blanks and nail those lies. The 135-page journal covering April 28, 2007 to Tuesday, July 31, was passed to us by a reporter in Portugal appalled by the sickening smear campaign against the McCanns.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id166.html

Now, the NOTW published it in Sept 2008, two months after it had appeared in Portuguese papers.

A reporter in Portugal could mean anything - it could well mean a British reporter in Portugal or it could mean as Daniel Sanderson would like people to deduce. So it's clear it wasn't the PJ who passed this to Daniel Sanderson. Of course the 'reporter' be it British or Portuguese could have got it from a different source and the source is anyone's guess.

Since Leveson does not have jurisdiction over state of Portugal I doubt he's going to get to the bottom of the 'leaked source' nor can he do anything about that speculation. He's either naive or sucking up to the gerry's balls when he assumed it was the PJ. A Judge his calibre chairing such an important inquiry should not make assumption AT ALL. He's supposed to be impartial. If from the onset he cant demonstrate himself to be impartial it makes a mockery hence a farcical of the Inquiry.

Also, if the PJ wanted to leak it why bother handing out the 'translation into portuguese version' when they'd the facsimile copy of the real thing.

Plus, the Portuguese Press had printed it (kate's puke) in July 2008 (post shelving - it is safe to assume?) so what would be the point of passing it over to their UK counterpart when it serves nothing post shelving, even if they (Portuguese side) were guaranteed it would appear in the UK press. Also, journalist's words nor work is never ever guaranteed because it is always subjected to censor and/or approval from Editor.

The bit that interests me is when gerry said they were told (by whom I cant remember unless people want to go over his yesterday's dialogue - presumably CM) that the Sun was going to do a good piece about them that weekend only for them to discover it was 'kate's puke' splashed on the front pages of the Sun. Which begs the question, camp mccanns must have got inside information from Sun ahead of the publication to be able to inform the mccanns about Sun's intention to do a piece about them over the weekend, so why didn't this informant find out what the good news was going to be before informing the mccanns?

Call me cynic - maybe the informant (CM most likely - I think yesterday gerry did mention it to be CM but someone has to look back on yesterday's proceedings to confirm as I am not 100% sure) was told by Sun they were going to print kate's diary and CM didnt stop them, thinking the diary would portray kate's inner feelings and reflect her in good lights as a good mum, to deflect all the negatives they'd been getting so far, hence the Sun's impression they got mccanns' explicit permission to print it. Well, if they'd told CM about their intention to print and CM didnt object it's as good as getting a nod from mccanns.

The mccanns had bitten more than they can chew...they go into this with their eyes wide opened to accuse the hands that feed them (the Press) and they may be surprised the source isnt who they thought it was and this is going to backfire on them as certain quarters are watching. Every mccanns public appearance is going to be useful for certain quarters.

Hi Aiyoyo, the copy of Kate's diary was said to have been destroyed in late June yet what was printed in the NOW was up to July 31st, so where did that extra month come from, certainly not the PJ as when they had the copy the last entries hadn't even been written Criminal Profiler Pat Brown's Maddie Search Fund - Lisbon & PdL Feb 6th - Feb 21st 2012 - Page 2 50899

Criminal Profiler Pat Brown's Maddie Search Fund - Lisbon & PdL Feb 6th - Feb 21st 2012 - Page 2 50899

From Invinoveritas,

By Daniel Sanderson, 13/09/2008

Snipped: Now, for the first time, the News of the World can fill in the blanks and nail those lies. The 135-page journal covering April 28, 2007 to Tuesday, July 31, was passed to us by a reporter in Portugal appalled by the sickening smear campaign against the McCanns.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id166.html

When did the "diary" appear in NOTW?

according to the PJ files the copie(s) were destroyed on or after 27th June 2008:

Conclusion 26-06-2008

(Presents invoice)

The photocopies of the 'diary' do not contain any material of interest to the ongoing investigation, but relate to the personal and inviolable personal experiences of any person.

Accordingly I order the diary's respective destruction.

Portimao

2008-06-27

Pedro Frias
Criminal Instruction Judge

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BIBLE.htm#p17p4486 at the bottom of the page

by aiyoyo 24.11.11 19:05

[quote="Nina"][quote="aiyoyo"]

By Daniel Sanderson, 13/09/2008

Hi Aiyoyo, the copy of Kate's diary was said to have been destroyed in late June yet what was printed in the NOW was up to July 31st, so where did that extra month come from, certainly not the PJ as when they had the copy the last entries hadn't even been written

By Daniel Sanderson, 13/09/2008

Snipped: Now, for the first time, the News of the World can fill in the blanks and nail those lies. The 135-page journal covering April 28, 2007 to Tuesday, July 31, was passed to us by a reporter in Portugal appalled by the sickening smear campaign against the McCanns.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id166.html

Hi Nina

The way I understand it:

135-page covering April 28, 2007 to July 31, 2007 presumably.

Diary was ordered destroyed in June 2008.
Portugal Press printed them in July 2008
UK press printed them in Sept 2008

Looking at the period it is obvious she wrote it to manipulate the evidence. She must have stopped writing the moment they fled home.

No one knows how much they were compensated for by the Sun.
Plus no one knows what they were paid for serialisation of kate's bewk?

All in all what the mccanns were paid by various publications including magazine is unclear - not sure if everything received goes into the fund as their accounting is very ambiguous. Its funny how come no one ever raised questions about their fund, not even at the LI.

by **Nina** 24.11.11 19:21

[quote="aiyoyo"][quote="Nina"]

aiyoyo wrote:

By Daniel Sanderson, 13/09/2008

Hi Aiyoyo, the copy of Kate's diary was said to have been destroyed in late June yet what was printed in the NOW was up to July 31st, so where did that extra month come from, certainly not the PJ as when they had the copy the last entries hadn't even been written

By Daniel Sanderson, 13/09/2008

Snipped: Now, for the first time, the News of the World can fill in the blanks and nail those lies. The 135-page journal covering April 28, 2007 to Tuesday, July 31, was passed to us by a reporter in Portugal appalled by the sickening smear campaign against the McCanns.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id166.html

Hi Nina

The way I understand it:

135-page covering April 28, 2007 to July 31, 2007 presumably.

Diary was ordered destroyed in June 2008.
Portugal Press printed them in July 2008
UK press printed them in Sept 2008

Looking at the period it is obvious she wrote it to manipulate the evidence. She must have stopped writing the moment they fled home.

No one knows how much they were compensated for by the Sun.
Plus no one knows what they were paid for serialisation of kate's bewk?

All in all what the mccanns were paid by various publications including magazine is unclear - not sure if everything received goes into the fund as their accounting is very ambiguous. Its funny how come no one ever raised questions about their fund, not even at the LI.

Hello again Aiyoyo. If the copy of the diary that the PJ held was destroyed in late June how the devil did the Portuguese press and the NOW get up to 31st July. The PJ only had at the most up to end June when their copy was destroyed, so where did this extra month come from? End June to end July?

by aiyoyo 24.11.11 19:35

Nina wrote:
Hello again Aiyoyo. If the copy of the diary that the PJ held was destroyed in late June how the devil did the Portuguese press and the NOW get up to 31st July. The PJ only had at the most up to end June when their copy was destroyed, so where did this extra month come from? End June to end July?

Nina Nina,
The diary entries made by kate were up to July 2007.
The destruction was almost one year later in June 2008.
The publication in both sides of the channel were in July and Sept respectively in 2008. So given that, they would have the diary in entirety from April to July 2007
- get it now?

You are one year out!

by **Nina** 24.11.11 19:39

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DOH!!!! we are speakink here of 2007 and 2008. stupid Nina

by Guest 29.11.11 12:56

ProfilerPatBPAT BROWN

#WhatIReallysaid:If Kate really believes Maddie is alive...she would make CONTINUAL direct pleas to the captor for Maddie's return. #McCann

59 minutes
http://twitter.com/#!/ProfilerPatB

From facebook.............

Criminal Profiler Pat Brown's Maddie Search Fund

Search plans to date: I will be arriving in Lisbon, Portugal on February 6, attending the libel trial of Goncalo Amaral, then driving down to Praia da Luz from where the search will begin, and returning to Lisbon for my flight back to the US on February 21. I have wonderful offers for places to stay and help getting around and with the search. I will update you later on more specific details.

Jacci Freimond Rudling I would like to ask, has anyone thought that there might very well be investigation going on in PdL, that we don't know about? I just worry that Pat going over there and searching or asking questions might very well wreck a delicate operation and jepordise and already drawn out investigation.

As far as I am aware the Mccann's and their team are not in the habit of telling us public what is going on in the search.
22 November at 14:29.

Chris Davies You mean fears Scotland Yard might start a genuine investigation rather than work to the McCanns terms of reference?
22 November at 14:32 · 6.

Jacci Freimond Rudling Well SY are investigating, and Im sure they are quite able to run an investigation on their own. Mccann's point of ref or not! There may very well be progress which might be destroyed by well intentioned meddling.
22 November at 14:37.

Chris Davies Wrong! The McCanns love telling us about 'persons of interest' and the secret lair where Maddie is being held near Luz.
22 November at 14:37 · 2.

Criminal Profiler Pat Brown's Maddie Search Fund Jacci, I have already been in contact with people in Portugal and there is no official investigation to conflict with. I will speak with authorities before doing anything. As far as the McCanns go, I sincerely doubt that there is some clever spy stuff happening. If Maddie was abducted by some creepy guy who slipped in the apt, she is likely dead and buried in PDL. If I get any information that leads me to believe otherwise, I will share that with the police.
22 November at 14:3

Criminal Profiler Pat Brown's Maddie Search Fund When you ask for donations, Jacci, you should be properly using them and you should detail where all the money is going.. I would say they are not doing that. In reality, since Maddie is likely dead in PDL or vicinity, it makes no sense to run down every lead to every prostitution, porn ring, and false sighting in the world. They would spend their money properly (out of simply having the case reopened) with PIs working PDL and using the rest of any monies on behalf of ALL missing children in ways that could find one of them if not Maddie.
22 November at 14:57

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Criminal-Profiler-Pat-Browns-Maddie-Search-Fund/298440643512565

by jd 29.11.11 13:22

"If Kate really believes Maddie is alive...she would make CONTINUAL direct pleas to the captor for Maddie's return"........Absolutely, can any remember when the last one was? 4 years ago?

" I just worry that Pat going over there and searching or asking questions might very well wreck a delicate operation and jepordise and already drawn out investigation"....some people are so nieve bless them

by sijm 29.11.11 14:04

I read Ms Browns Lawyer Anne Bremner is well known for her excellent work in acting as Legal Counsel

and a spokesman for friends of Amanda Knox and that they set up a fund raising to pay

the legal fees and look at the good result Amanda Knox had.

Also on a Anne Bremner profile page on the Internet it says Ms Bremner took unpaid leave

of absence in 2005 from her job with Stafford Frey Cooper to offer television commentary on

People v Jackson and that she had said the publicity had brought in millions of dollars of business for her firm.

So if we beleve all this I trust Ms Brown is in capable hands to win her case, don' you

Ms Pat Browns profile is also seems very impressive having had an excellent TV carreer in acting jobs playing herself

on one SATV 4 series and as a host on Discovery Channels 2004 documentry Mysterious Death of Clleopatra

all in all two very talented ladies, don't you think.

by Gillyspot 29.11.11 14:38

Pat is a bit more than a TV detective she is a real criminal profiler that helps US police forces. lol

"After having once rented a room to a murder suspect, Brown was moved to become an investigative criminal profiler. By 1996, she'd founded The Sexual Homicide Exchange (SHE). In 2000, she opened The Pat Brown Criminal Profiling Agency.^[2] Today, she is one of the few women criminal profilers, assisting police departments and victims' families by analyzing physical and behavioral evidence to make determinations about crime behavior, suspects and motive"

"In 2007, she received her master’s degree in criminal justice from Boston University"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Brown_(criminal_profiler)

by Anders 10.12.11 0:52

sijm wrote:I read Ms Browns Lawyer Anne Bremner is well known for her excellent work in acting as Legal Counsel

and a spokesman for friends of Amanda Knox and that they set up a fund raising to pay

the legal fees and look at the good result Amanda Knox had.

Also on a Anne Bremner profile page on the Internet it says Ms Bremner took unpaid leave

of absence in 2005 from her job with Stafford Frey Cooper to offer television commentary on

People v Jackson and that she had said the publicity had brought in millions of dollars of business for her firm.

So if we beleve all this I trust Ms Brown is in capable hands to win her case, don' you

Ms Pat Browns profile is also seems very impressive having had an excellent TV carreer in acting jobs playing herself

on one SATV 4 series and as a host on Discovery Channels 2004 documentry Mysterious Death of Clleopatra

all in all two very talented ladies, don't you think.

Fantastic post! Thank you!

I lived in the USA for many years and watched the nancy grace show all the time - these people are not dummies and in my opinion the snowball is only getting rolling! They can say stuff in the USA which is injunctioned in the uk.

by scotclogs 17.12.11 8:02

jd wrote:
aiyoyo wrote:
It's so anal to mock other's efforts when her parents did absolutely NOTHING to search for her. They didn't even join the search party on the night they reported her missing (not that she went missing) because it was too dark they told Oprah!

Yep. and then in the 'book'' lied by saying how they jumped through hedges, ran through fields through the night searching for her! beggars belief these outright lies they tell

Just how the hell can they STILL getting away with all this. aaagh

by scotclogs 17.12.11 8:16

Stella wrote: So the Diary copies were destroyed in June 2008 and the papers printed it in September 2008 !!!

Which means they could not have come from the PJ

Oh joy

I will join you in that Mrs