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Post by Tony Bennett on 05.10.10 13:31

I'm posting up these two articles without further comment at the moment. Ray Wyre was famed as a self-professed expert on therapy for paedophiles, having founded the Gracewell Clinic, a residential centre for treating sex offenders, in 1988.

Sadly for the paedophiles and Wyre, the clinic closed in 1993 because, it seems, the locals didn't appreciate a building full of nonces at the ends of their gardens. Wyre died on 20 June 2008 at the age of 56, less than six months after Kate and Gerry shared banoffee pie with Ray and Christine Wyre at their Buckinghamshire pad:


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What the Portuguese police must do

Daily Telegraph - By Ray Wyre - 10 May 2007
Last Updated: 2:06am BST 10/05/07

I have worked with men who have abducted and killed children. Often, their capture has failed to save the child and has not come about through good police work.

The planning needed to take the child can not be overestimated. It was clear from the beginning in Portugal that we were dealing with an abduction and the need to "think offender" was essential.

What was his motivation? How would he initiate contact and target the child? How would he control the environment to evade discovery?

Portuguese police cannot ignore the UK's experience in such cases. In the early '90s a British paedophile group filmed the sexual abuse of Portuguese boys.

At one stage the Americans were so concerned about the role of British paedophiles in Portugal that I was approached about the targeting of schools there. International co-operation should be part of police thinking.

However, there is no culture of community policing in Portugal and they have laws that prevent the discussion of cases. This is clearly the wrong way round. The media are essential in passing co-ordinated and directed information to the community.

In this case, speculation is rife, confused messages are likely to be given.

The parents will be feeling guilty for leaving the children and even a half hour is a long time if a child wakes up and starts to cry immediately after one leaves the room.

This could, possibly, lead to a woman on her own, who has lost a child, saying to herself wrongly that the parents did not care for this child and deciding to take the girl home. No paedophile, no conspiracy - just a lonely woman.

The window of opportunity for the abductor means that the information given by the parents has to be very accurate. Police must help them to say exactly how long it was since they last saw their child.

The parents need to know that if this was an offender who planned the abduction then there is probably nothing they could have done.

I once asked an abductor who had killed girls how we could stop him. He said: “I suppose you would have to chain a child to the mother”. But he added: “No, that would not work. I would take both”.

Ray Wyre is an expert in sexual crime who worked in the UK Probation Service in the 1970s before specialising in programmes for sex offenders.

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EXCLUSIVE: MCCANNS ARE 'TOTALLY INNOCENT'

EXCLUSIVE TRUTH ABOUT THE McCANNS: BY TOP UK CRIME CRACKER

The People By Marcello Mega And Daniel Jones
Daniel.Jones@People.Co.Uk - 27 January 2008


Kate and Gerry played NO part in the disappearance of their daughter Madeleine, one of the world's top crime experts declared last night.

Ray Wyre - who has given Cracker-style testimony to courts since the 1970s - said: “It is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE for them to have been involved”. He insisted the grief-stricken parents were incapable of doing anything to harm their children.

He told how the couple feared Maddie was dead in the hours after she vanished - the first time their initial anguish has been revealed. And he heaped scorn on claims the McCanns are being torn apart by the tragedy, adding: “They are a close and loving couple”.

Wyre spoke out as it was revealed Portuguese cops now believe four-year-old Maddie may have been abducted - as Kate and Gerry have always claimed.

The couple met Wyre, 56, to discuss setting up an international taskforce to help cops trace missing children.

They poured out their hearts to him and his wife Charmaine over dinner at the ace criminologists's home in Milton Keynes, Bucks.

Wyre - who's helped nail a string of monsters including child-killer Robert Black - said: "I was with them for several hours and I could not help but apply some of the practices I use when I'm carrying out assessments of suspects for police and the courts.

“I can state categorically there is no way they were involved in their daughter's murder or disappearance.

“They would be incapable of such an act.

“I have more than 30 years' experience in this field and am used to people trying to hide dark secrets.

“There was NO sign of any such deceit. It is absolutely impossible for them to have been involved”.

And Wyre paid a moving tribute to the way the 39-year-old couple manage to think of other people even though their hearts are broken.

He said: “It was humbling and moving to meet the McCanns.

“They brought flowers for my wife, which brought tears to our eyes.

“You consider what they've been through and they still bring flowers when they come to your home”.

Wyre hit out at shocking claims of eating disorders and marriage rifts made about Kate and heart specialist Gerry, whose twins Sean and Amelie have just turned three.

He said: “It can't have helped while they've had this massive tragedy on their hands.

“Days before we met I was reading an ill-informed article saying they were growing apart.

“But they are a close and loving couple who are certainly united in their roles of being good parents to the twins and maintaining momentum in their quest to find Madeleine.

“There is no doubt they are a couple - they are together and they support and comfort one another. They were very warm and friendly to each other and there was no sign of dispute between them.

“During the meal, Gerry often put his arm round the back of Kate's chair.

“They were affectionate to one another all the time. They looked very much together.

“As for any suggestion Kate might have an eating disorder, it's nonsense. She sat down to my wife's home-made lasagne and garlic bread with a smile and really enjoyed it .

“And she tucked into the banoffee pie for pudding like the rest of us."

Wyre told how for 72 hours after Maddie vanished in Praia da Luz on May 3 last year the McCanns were certain their daughter was dead.

Their despair has never been made public before - and Wyre blasted critics who insist they have not expressed enough grief.

He said: “For three days, all they could see in their minds was Madeleine lying dead.

“They were in complete agreement she'd been taken by a predator, abused and killed.

“They were certain they would never see her alive again. The image of her lying murdered hardly left them and they expected at any time to receive the news that her body had been found.

“When three days passed and that had not happened, they began to feel the stirring of hope.

“They reasoned it was most likely that if someone had seized her to abuse and kill her, her body would probably have been nearby and would have been found.

“They continue to cling to that hope - but they are also prepared for the worst.

“However, as long as she remains missing I know they will not rest in their efforts to find her”.

Wyre also told The People how GP Kate is so dedicated to answering the flood of emails she gets every day about Maddie she sometimes gets up at 4am to deal with them all.

His tribute came as detectives in Portugal finally admitted they could be WRONG in their belief that the McCanns - from Rothley, Leics - were involved in Maddie's disappearance.

Prosecutors had named the couple as official suspects in September.

And since then police have been hellbent on trying to prove Kate and Gerry had hidden their daughter's body after the youngster died in their Algarve holiday apartment.

Investigators even claimed they had enough evidence to charge the couple just three weeks ago.

But yesterday police sources admitted the McCanns may have been telling the truth all along.

And detectives are now set to review the case and quiz all the witnesses again.

The amazing about-turn comes after a British laboratory said DNA tests carried out on blood samples found in the Praia da Luz flat and the couple's hire-car had been inconclusive.

The theory Maddie had been kidnapped was also given another boost last week with the release of a sketch of a possible suspect.

A source told Portuguese newspaper 24 Horas: “There are now two hypotheses on the table - abduction or accidental death.

“There are no concrete proofs to charge the current suspects.

”No “No line of inquiry can be discounted - but the first hypothesis is the most credible."

The McCanns' family spokesman Clarence Mitchell told The People last night: “We welcome any movement on the part of the police that accepts Madeleine was abducted - because that's what happened.

“It’s ridiculous we've had to wait this long for any indication they believe Kate and Gerry are telling the truth.

“The sooner the police realise they don't have a case against them, the sooner they focus on finding Madeleine - which is what this investigation should be about”.

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Post by littlepixie on 05.10.10 14:17

Who exactly was Ray Wyre? A Probation Officer who set himself up as an expert?

It says in his obituary he was an expert on paedophiles and sex crimes. There was no evidence found that indicated that Madeleine had been a victim of a sex-crime so why did he feel the need/was asked/ to give his opinion.

It makes me wonder whether if her body had been found early on whether it would have contained evidence of sex-crimes.

Just my opinion but if her body had of been found before Eddie and Keela and had shown evidence of such crimes it could have been blamed on an abductor.
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Post by Tony Bennett on 05.10.10 14:24

@littlepixie wrote:Who exactly was Ray Wyre? A Probation Officer who set himself up as an expert?
He trained to be a priest. He gave that up and soon developed a 'specialism' in helping sex offenders. I will be writing a bit more about Wyre in due course. People thought of him as a true expert in his subject - hence the Telegraph giving him space in their newspaper less than a week after Madeleine was reported missing, and The People - with Clarence's support of course - trumpeting him as 'A Top UK Crime Cracker' a few months later.

littlepixie, you asked:

Who exactly was Ray Wyre?

A very good question, still I fear to be full answered.

But his wife made scrumptious banoffee pie.
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Post by baconbutty on 05.10.10 14:26

Doesn't say much for his objectivity and credibility as an 'expert' if he can be swayed so easily by a bunch of flowers and KM's liking for his wife's pudding.
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Post by ufercoffy on 05.10.10 14:39

@Tony Bennett wrote:Wyre died on 20 June 2008 at the age of 56, less than six months after Kate and Gerry shared banoffee pie with Ray and Christine Wyre at their Buckinghamshire pad:

Is there no one connected to paedo's that the McCann's havent' made themselves known to?
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Post by Judge Mental on 05.10.10 14:44

@ufercoffy wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:Wyre died on 20 June 2008 at the age of 56, less than six months after Kate and Gerry shared banoffee pie with Ray and Christine Wyre at their Buckinghamshire pad:

Is there no one connected to paedo's that the McCann's havent' made themselves known to?

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Post by Tony Bennett on 05.10.10 14:48

@baconbutty wrote:Doesn't say much for his objectivity and credibility as an 'expert' if he can be swayed so easily by a bunch of flowers and KM's liking for his wife's pudding.
Is this objective?

“I can state categorically there is no way they were involved in their daughter's murder or disappearance. They would be incapable of such an act. I have more than 30 years' experience in this field and am used to people trying to hide dark secrets. There was NO sign of any such deceit. It is absolutely impossible for them to have been involved”.

I have to say the recent comment of the Pakistani High Commissioner about the far-reaching cricket betting scams within Pakistan cricket sprang to mind. Everyone but him knows that spot betting is rife in Pakistani cricket and that the Pakistani players take bribes for all sorts of things including from bowling a no-ball on the fifth ball in the thirty-seventh over to losing whole matches.

Clearly exposed in the recent News of the World sting was Pakistani cricket was their captain, Salman Butt.

The High Commissioner interviewed him and his two team-mates who had also flagrantly accepted money to 'fix' situations in matches.

After these interviews (I'm not sure of the exact words) he came out and said, in terms:

"I have got to the bottom of it. They are innocent".


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Post by kangdang on 05.10.10 15:29

@baconbutty wrote:Doesn't say much for his objectivity and credibility as an 'expert' if he can be swayed so easily by a bunch of flowers and KM's liking for his wife's pudding.

Damn you butty, you beat me to it...lol

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Post by kangdang on 05.10.10 15:41

All Wyred up
Ray Wyre, the pioneer behind Gracewell, Britain's first clinic for treating sex offenders, talks to Jack Cordery and Jerry Shevills
[Men & Crime - Issue 13 - Summer 1992]

http://www.achillesheel.freeuk.com/article13_2.html

A very interesting article.

There was a book in the cabinet in Wyre's office entitled 'Witchcraft". We asked if he had found any evidence of ritualistic or "Satanic" abuse in his work at The Gracewell Clinic.

Well yes, I've worked with more born-again Christian abusers than any other. The religious sex offender is the bane of my life. A lot of our child killers are evangelical born-again abusers. In a sense, I have to be careful coming from my background, but it helps me to understand it. I could count on two hands those men I know who have abused using a Lucifer concept to control children but other religious sex offenders are just too numerous to mention.

Ray Wyre, head of the Gracewell Clinic for male sexual abusers, one of the countries foremost experts in child-abuse re-offenders, and an advisor to many local social services departments. He has admitted that Christian Ritualised Abuse is a well-known phenomenon within social work. He is on record as saying:

"I have worked with more vicars who have abused than ever Satan Worshippers"

(Interview with the Northern Echo, August 24 1990)

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Post by kangdang on 05.10.10 15:58

Out of the mouths of babes

The evidence of children convicted six men in the Pembroke child abuse case. Tomorrow the six will appeal

Bob Woffinden and Margaret Jervis


Sunday, 8 October 1995
AFTER the highly-publicised scandals over child abuse allegations in Cleveland, Rochdale and the Orkneys, social workers in Pembroke, west Wales, took no chances when they began an investigation in 1991. They sought guidance from ''the best legal and paediatric brains in the country'' and worked closely with the police. ''Our credibility was checked and double-checked,'' said John Wreford, Dyfed's deputy director of social services.

The outcome was Britain's biggest-ever trial for organised child abuse, ending in June 1994 with six men receiving prison terms totalling 53 years. For the first time in post-war Britain, conspiracy charges arising out of allegations of organised ritual abuse had been successfully sustained. Afterwards Ray White, chief constable of Dyfed-Powys, voiced a pride felt by the whole team when he called the inquiry ''a model of perfection''.

Yet just six months later it began to unravel. In the Family Division of the High Court, Mr Justice Connell ruled that several children should be returned to their homes, criticised the methods used by social workers and pointed out that there was no evidence at all against one of the convicted men. Tomorrow, all the convictions go to appeal. Despite the precautions, it seems, there may have been a terrible miscarriage of justice.

THE story of the Pembroke child abuse case begins in 1990, with the Thorpe family. Peter and Sally Thorpe had two children, Malcolm, 10, and Jason, 8. Their marriage had broken down and Sally was at her wits' end coping with her younger son, regarded by social workers as ''attention- seeking'' and ''a persistent liar". After separating from Peter, Sally put Jason into voluntary care while she sorted out her life. Malcolm went to stay with his grandparents.

She began divorce proceedings and moved out of their rented country cottage to an estate in Pembroke. By then, Peter had met Anne Mason, a divorcee with four children. They occasionally stayed together at the cottage.

Jason had intensive social work counselling, but at this stage there was no suggestion of abuse. In fact, such was Jason's apparent ignorance of sexual matters that his social worker, Ann Done, arranged a sex education programme for him.

Thus began a long process of therapeutic excavation, delving into his memories. Ms Done began what was termed "direct work": Jason was questioned about his past and encouraged to interpret dreams and drawings. Later, after a period in which social workers prevented him seeing his mother, he also underwent "disclosure work", using dolls and toys to help him describe his experiences.

In May 1991, he accused his father of sexual abuse. Soon, he implicated his mother, too, and suggested that other adults and children had been involved in group sex at local farms and quarries. In August Mr Thorpe was charged with abusing Jason and detained. At the same time his girlfriend, Anne Mason, was interviewed by police and three of her children were taken into care on suspicion that Thorpe had abused them.

The inquiry soon involved two related families, the Dalburys and the Watersons (the fathers were brothers), who lived on the same estate as Sally Thorpe. Although they had little in common with the Thorpes, both families were known to social services. Jason had mentioned a ''Paul'' as being among the children involved. Jim Waterson's eldest son, Paul, had suffered a minor molestation (by a stranger) in 1988. The matter had been reported to the police and dealt with. John Dalbury had, some years back, told his pastor that he had sexually fondled his daughter, Mary, when she was seven. There had been no complaint prior to his admission. He appeared contrite, and no action was taken.

None of the Dalbury and Waterson children confirmed Jason's allegations, and the police could not find adequate evidence against Thorpe, so the investigation stalled. In September 1991 the charges against him were dropped and he was freed.

Yet the law at that time still allowed social workers to take children away from their parents on the mere suspicion of abuse. This is what happened to Anne Mason's children. They were put into foster homes and became wards of court. The Dalbury and Waterson children remained at home, but under social worker supervision.

Over the months that followed, social workers quizzed them all repeatedly. Some received group therapy for abuse. Their mothers were counselled and pressed to provide evidence against their husbands, partners and other suspects.

In June 1992, Mary Dalbury, 14, ran away from home, saying her father had raped her over a number of years. John Dalbury was arrested and confessed. He was charged with rape, and his wife with aiding and abetting him. Both pleaded guilty. In December 1992, they were sentenced to seven and four years' imprisonment respectively.

By the summer, the police and social services, putting Jason's and Mary's allegations together with what other children had told them, were convinced they had discovered something horrifying in their quiet corner of Wales: a paedophile network.

THE ARRESTS began on 8 December 1992 and ultimately 18 children from nine families were taken into care while 11 men and two women were charged. They included Thorpe, the alleged ringleader, his wife Sally, Waterson and Dalbury, as well as friends of Thorpe's, other farmers and a civil servant whose children, taken into care after his wife had suffered a mental breakdown, had been in the same foster home as Paul Waterson.

Opening the prosecution case in Swansea Crown Court in January 1994, Gerard Elias QC told the jury that children were victims of ''the most depraved and revolting conduct imagineable ... [to] a degree of degradation that sometimes almost defies belief

By now the accusations ranged widely. One social worker said that Mary Dalbury estimated that ''around 200 people were involved'', and the judge told the jury that ''if everyone named had been charged, the case would have gone on for ever''.

The charges covered the period 1983-91. Mr Elias said the adults had conspired to abuse their own and other children. Abuse had included ritual sex orgies in homes and outlying places such as derelict sheds, an old airfield, tunnels and seaside caves.

The children, forced to participate from a very young age, were silenced by death threats from the men. Wives were similarly threatened, forced to watch and sometimes to take part. The 12 defendants (the charges against Sally Thorpe were held over, and dropped soon afterwards) all pleaded not guilty.

Eight children aged from six to 15 recounted their experiences. Jason and the others gave evidence through pre-recorded videos and were cross- examined through a video link. The prosecution said their testimony, gathered independently, was consistent and amounted to compelling evidence. But Mr Elias stressed that the Crown case did not depend on the words of children alone: ''They are supported in material ways by the detailed evidence of two mothers, who will tell of some of the abuse they witnessed and of the threats made to them to prevent their coming forward."

When they took the stand, the two women indeed spoke of threats - but threats from the authorities. Both claimed they had been emotionally blackmailed. Anne Mason said she was forced to make up allegations by social workers and told that if she wanted to see her children again, she had to stick to her story.

The defence questioned the social workers closely. Nigel Mylne QC accused one, Tudor Walters, of leading a ''blinkered crusade to convict the defendants''. This was denied.

Three defendants were acquitted in March on the direction of the judge, and two others were cleared before the trial ended. In all, 120 witnesses were called. During the course of the inquiry 500 statements were taken and 9,000 pages of evidence assembled. Ultimately, however, the case rested on the credibility of the children.

The jury took five days to reach its verdicts. One defendant, an English farmer, was cleared of all charges. The civil servant was acquitted of conspiracy but found guilty of serious sexual assault. The remaining five were found guilty of conspiracy, with Peter Thorpe being convicted of an additional charge of gross indecency with a child. He was imprisoned for 15 years. The others received sentences of between five and 11 years. The judge told the jury: ''The whole community should be extremely grateful to you. I certainly am.''

YET there were many disquieting aspects to the case. Not one child had made an allegation of abuse before being interviewed by social workers. No dates were ever mentioned, so defendants could not bring forward alibi evidence. There was no forensic evidence to speak of, although the circumstances of many of the alleged incidents suggested that there ought to have been. (For example, Jason pointed out sheds where, he said, his father had fired through the roof to frighten children; yet Crown scientific experts could locate no bullet-holes in the roof.) Several children referred to the use of cameras and camcorders at the paedophilia sessions; but no photographs, film or equipment were ever discovered.

Medical evidence was scant and defence lawyers were unhappy with the way it was presented. Some Crown experts couched their testimony in equivocal terms: ''I could not find any evidence of the abuse as described, but that does not preclude such abuse having taken place; and I would expect that in the timespan between the alleged abuse and my examination, injuries arising as a result of such abuse would have healed.''

There were no independent witnesses, although the allegations were so sweeping there surely should have been. Large numbers of people had supposedly abused children in a children's playground in the middle of a housing estate; in sheds that adjoined houses; and on Angle beach, behind the Texaco oil refinery at the most western point of Wales. Yet not one person, it appeared, had ever noticed anything untoward. And the jury was given no opportunity to inspect these various sites.

Four prosecution witnesses - both the adults and two of the children - retracted their evidence. For example, Paul Waterson, 12, became confused under cross-examination and then stated that the allegations were untrue. There were indications that children had been threatened with punishment if they refused to say anything (Stephen Mason said social workers told him he wouldn't go home unless he and his mother admitted knowing about abuse); and rewarded when they made allegations. A social worker recorded one meeting with Mary Dalbury in June 1993: ''Mary was quite annoyed about her holiday ... she had been promised so much and things were not being delivered ... would I take her horse-riding on Thursday?''

Indeed, there was considerable evidence that investigators approached the case in the certainty that abuse had occurred. In doing so, they ignored new procedural guidelines on the collection of video evidence and flouted recommendations in the 1988 Butler-Sloss report on the Cleveland abuse debacle. They used play props, which were known to have a distorting effect; and investigation and therapy were intertwined, which also contaminates evidence.

Perhaps most disturbing of all is the evidence that the investigation team was influenced by Ray Wyre, a former probation officer who describes himself as "an independent sexual abuse consultant". Though the local authority refused to admit it, the investigators attended a special three- day training programme in October 1991 organised by Mr Wyre's Gracewell Institute. Only after this did they begin group therapy sessions for the children. Subsequently, the allegations began to flow.

It was Mr Wyre who, at a conference of social work directors in Scotland in 1990, told delegates that they must "think the unthinkable, believe the unbelievable and imagine the unimaginable". And it was Mr Wyre who had played in important role in advising social workers and foster parents during a child abuse investigation in Nottingham in 1988-89. After that investigation had broken down amid recriminations between police and social workers, an inquiry was held. It blamed Mr Wyre for creating unfounded fears of a Satanic abuse network. Inter- viewing and therapy techniques were faulty, it said, and the evidence produced was a reflection of social workers' obsessions. The report concluded that ''unless action was taken, witch-hunts could develop in this country and grave injustice result''.

This report was suppressed by Nottinghamshire social services and the Department of Health, and has never been published. Instead, the Government set up another inquiry into the existence of satanic abuse, under Jean La Fontaine, professor of anthropology at the London School of Economics. She found no evidence that there was any such thing as Satanic abuse, but her report did not appear until May 1994, as the Pembroke case trial was ending.

WHATEVER the outcome of the Pembroke appeal, families have been devastated. Anne Mason has endured more than most. She has never even been charged with any offence and yet she has been parted from her children longer than anyone else in the case.

''I was supposed to say all these dreadful things had happened," she says. "The social workers prepared me for court, and told me to focus on a piece of wood at the back of the jury. I thought, if I go through with it my children will be home, and if I don't, I'll lose them for ever.

"But I knew I had to tell the truth. I've been brought up a Catholic, and that's what I believe in ... When I said, 'it's all lies', all I could hear was someone in the public gallery exclaiming 'Yes!' It was just a blur.''

After the trial she watched social workers sending out invitations to a celebration party, even as they were curtailing her visits to her own children. Since then, she sees her daughter four times a year, for two hours. ''I begged and begged them to let me see her on her eighth birthday, but they won't allow it.'' She believes her son Walter is very distressed, and recently tried to kill himself.

When the appeal begins in London tomorrow, the central issues will be the credibility of the children's evidence and the credibility of the investigating techniques used. Did the children's testimony reflect what they remembered, or the preconceptions of the social workers? And did the authorities act as protectors, or as persecutors?

All names in this article which might identify the children have been changed.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/out-of-the-mouths-of-babes-1576495.html

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Post by Tony Bennett on 05.10.10 16:13

@kangdang wrote:Out of the mouths of babes

The evidence of children convicted six men in the Pembroke child abuse case. Tomorrow the six will appeal

Bob Woffinden and Margaret Jervis

Sunday, 8 October 1995

AFTER the highly-publicised scandals over child abuse allegations in Cleveland, Rochdale and the Orkneys, social workers in Pembroke, west Wales, took no chances when they began an investigation in 1991... Yet just six months later it began to unravel...YET there were many disquieting aspects to the case. Not one child had made an allegation of abuse before being interviewed by social workers.
That's worth repeating - and emphasising...

Not one child had made an allegation of abuse before being interviewed by social workers.

As this thread is, I'm glad to say, beginning to reveal, Ray Wyre did a lot of damage. He was IMO a disturbed yet powerful individual.

Social workers can also do a lot of damage...as I saw for myself on social work training courses. Pop psychology and pop sociology was taught but really useful skills were not.

If you recall the 'Baby P' case, you'll remember that a key point is how the three abusers of 'P' regularly lied to social workers - but the social workers didn't realise.

That's criminal.

Doing the work they do, social workers should be highly trained in spotting whether people are lying or telling the truth.
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Post by littlepixie on 05.10.10 16:56

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Doing the work they do, social workers should be highly trained in spotting whether people are lying or telling the truth
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I agree Tony. I have found that when you are telling the truth they think you are lying and trying to prove something to them can be very scarey.
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Oops can't edit above post but just wanted to add I was applying for a job - not being invesigated big grin
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Post by Tony Bennett on 06.10.10 10:00

HOW RAY WYRE DECEIVED POLICE AND SOCIAL WORKERS IN NOTTINGHAM, SCOTLAND AND WALES

[Extract from my forthcoming article on 'Ray Wyre and the McCanns' which will appear shortly on The Madeleine Foundation website]


The Nottingham Satanic Abuse Ring that wasn’t

One of the worst cases of waste of police time, and social workers’ time. and one which involved many children and families in a great deal of distress, was caused by Ray Wyre. Despite this, his career was not finished, but in fact went from strength to strength.

During 1988, the country was gripped by lurid stories of an alleged Satanic Ritual Abuse network operating in and around Nottingham. And it was all triggered by Wyre.

During the course of investigating claims of a Satanic Abuse Ring, tens of thousands of hours of police and social worker time were spent. The cost ran into tens of millions of pounds. It led to a rift between Nottinghamshire Social Services and Nottinghamshire Police, because, in the end, the police simply refused to investigate any further claims of Satanic Ritual Abuse. The claims, they concluded, were not true.

In 1988, two social workers in the city were encountering a particularly vile case of incest involving nine adults and 23 children who had been taken into care. According to Christine Johnston, a senior social worker, and Judith Dawson, the team leader, the children began telling bizarre stories which they could not understand. They called in Ray Wyre, a former probation officer who runs a clinic in Birmingham for sex offenders. However, another version of the introduction of Ray Wyre to Nottingham held that it was a journalist, Tim Tate, who advised social workers to contact Wyre.

Wyre proceeded to give the social workers a list of "Satanic indicators", a profile of signs and symptoms used by American police officers which he told the Independent on Sunday he was given by Pamela Klein, a Chicago social worker who lectures on Satanic abuse.

Wyre had other literature on Satanic abuse from the United States, where he had first studied child abuse in 1984. He had picked up some of the material himself on a visit in 1988; other information he had been sent. Mr Wyre says the social workers initially asked him if he knew anything about witchcraft because the children were writing strange things in their diaries. He said he told the social workers and foster parents the sort of things said by children who had been ritually abused.

By June 1989, the police refused to investigate any new allegations disclosed by the children and described in the diaries. The Chief Constable and the Director of Social Services decided to resolve the conflict by creating a joint unit of 4 full-time members, half police officers and half social workers. None had any previous involvement with the Broxtowe cases. Their inquiry started on 10 July 1989 lasted for 5 months. They investigated locations disclosed by the children and adults, and interviewed alleged perpetrators, police, social workers, foster parents, and experts used by the Social Services Department. They interviewed 12 children who had disclosed ritual abuse. Finally, they examined studies of ritual abuse.

This group, called The Nottingham Police/Social Services Joint Enquiry Team (JET) issued their 600-page, five volume ‘Joint Enquiry Report' at the end of 1989. Kenneth Clarke, the Health Secretary and local Member of Parliament, realised that the findings of this team should be generally circulated in order to prevent similar situations occurring elsewhere in the UK. He asked for a shortened version of that report. A ‘Revised Report' was then prepared in 1990, and sent to the Social Services Inspectorate and to the government.

But it was then suppressed; it was never circulated to individual Social Services Departments.

The team began the investigation assuming that Satanic Ritual Abuse had actually happened. They re-investigated a number of locations identified by the children and adult witnesses where Satanic Ritual Abuse ceremonies were alleged to have been held. These included: 2 tunnels and a room at Wollaton Hall Tunnels, an underground room at St. Mary's Church, a room under the stables at a Ruddington private dwelling, tunnels running from Old Lodge Gates to Wollaton Hall, an underground room in a private dwelling on Derby Road and tunnels which led to Wollaton Hall and an outdoor swimming pool, a swimming pool at a private dwelling on Lenton Ave, and a secret passage and underground room with four dead bodies in a house in Derbyshire.

None of the rooms, tunnels, outdoor pools or bodies existed.

The children disclosed a wide range of Satanic Ritual Abuse, including such graphic events as: being killed by being jumped upon, shot, having their heads bashed against the floor, thrown on a bonfire, killed by a monster, stabbed in the stomach, killed by crocodiles, sharks and a dragon…There was a huge list of similar events being described by the children, culminating in ‘an adult putting on a cloak and flying and adult witches turning the children into frogs”.

Essentially all of the diary allegations were made by four children from three foster homes. It was only after Ray Wyre briefed the foster parents with so-called ‘Satanic indicators’ on 9 February 1988 that the children started to disclose [i.e. make up] these stories”. These ‘Satanic indicators’ that Wyre introduced included: transportation to other places, animal sacrifices, drinking of blood, eating flesh, killing of children and other gruesome indicators.

The team concluded that the events described by the children ‘could not have happened’…The team was able to trace many of the symbols and images described by the children to children's fantasy books about witches, TV programmes and to props used during ‘therapy sessions’, the latter included witches’ costumes, toy monsters, masks, unclothed dolls, a toy medical kit, rubber snakes and plastic spiders”.

This hysterical investigation in Nottingham was generated by Ray Wyre’s bizarre theories and list of indicators. The relevant authorities should have taken note; all of this happened at then same time as Wyre was setting up his controversial Gracewell Clinic.

Yet despite this massive and costly blunder by Wyre, he repeated exactly the same thing three years later in Scotland, where there was another Satanic Ritual Abuse false alarm.

One report referred to Wyre in very robust terms:

“Perhaps most disturbing of all is the evidence that the investigation team was influenced by Ray Wyre, a former probation officer who describes himself as ‘an independent sexual abuse consultant’. Though the local authority refused to admit it, the investigators attended a special three-day training programme in October 1991 organised by Mr Wyre's Gracewell Institute. Only after this did they begin group therapy sessions for the children. Subsequently, the allegations of Satantic Ritual Abuse began to flow.

It was Mr Wyre who, at a conference of Social Services Directors in Scotland in 1990, told delegates that they must: “think the unthinkable, believe the unbelievable and imagine the unimaginable”. And it was Wyre who had played in important role in advising social workers and foster parents during a child abuse investigation in Nottingham in 1988-89. After that investigation had broken down amid recriminations between police and social workers, an inquiry was held. It blamed Mr Wyre for creating unfounded fears of a Satanic Abuse network. Interviewing and therapy techniques were faulty, it said, and the evidence produced was a reflection of social workers' obsessions. The report concluded that ‘unless action was taken, witch-hunts could develop in this country and grave injustice result'.

Wyre seems to have had a mesmeric influence on social workers and even Social Services Directors. It is also of note that the Nottingham report on Wyre’s activities was suppressed, while in the Scotland case, several social workers ‘refused to admit’ that they attended a special three-day training programme in October 1991. Why did they deny that?

Three years later, Wyre was at it again. In June 1994, another Satanic Ritual Abuse hysteria broke out in Pembrokeshire (Dyfed), Wales. It was subsequently revealed that workers in that case had attended a 3-day conference held by Wyre, for which he was paid tens of thousands of pounds. Despite the trail of havoc in his wake after Nottingham and Scotland, Wyre remained a revered educator and trainer on the subject of ritual abuse of children.

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EXTRACT FROM ARTICLE BY TONY BENNETT
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Post by The Slave on 06.10.10 12:02

Jesus wept! What a bloody menace he was!!
Dodgy as f**k. Rotting in Hell , I hope.
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Post by Guest on 06.10.10 12:14

@The Slave wrote:Jesus wept! What a bloody menace he was!!
Dodgy as f**k. Rotting in Hell , I hope.

hi and welcome The Slave, nice to see you here thumbsup
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Post by kangdang on 06.10.10 12:30

@littlepixie wrote:Oops can't edit above post but just wanted to add I was applying for a job - not being invesigated big grin

Nothing to be blushing1 of even if you were being investigated...the McCanns were, they are champions in the protecting children from abduction and explotation arena...pillars of the community...really they are thump

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Post by aiyoyo on 06.10.10 15:48

Ray Wyre is an expert in sexual crime who worked in the UK Probation Service in the 1970s before specialising in programmes for sex offenders.
That jumps out of the passage!

'Specialist in programmes for sex offenders' -- as in sexual offenders counselling?
Throwing Satanic Ritual Abuse and group therapy sessions for the children into the mix as well!
All witchcraft, blackmagic, dark forces and evil sounding activities and the mccanns were sharing desserts with him?
Bet dinner conversation topic went beyond banotoffee (sp)
They must be receiving reinforced counselling on how to “think the unthinkable, believe the unbelievable and imagine the unimaginable”.

Crikey! How is it they (mccanns) always managed to make a bee line for dodgy people?
And marvellously have this 'character' spoke up for them defending their innonence to the hilt as if he knows better! Blimey heck, must be possessed by satan, in tranche, and when he bleated to the paper no clarity which voice was doing the talking.
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Post by Judge Mental on 06.10.10 15:53

No wonder the Pope did not want them on his website. He was already having to deal with enough problems of his own.
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Post by littlepixie on 06.10.10 18:10

"It was subsequently revealed that workers in that case had attended a 3-day conference held by Wyre, for which he was paid tens of thousands of pounds."

I am always skeptical of people setting themselves up as "experts" in this and that then charging people to attend their "courses". I have seen it too many times with (amongst others) - Dog Groomers, Animal Care Experts, Health and Safety Experts - all who write out a course of their own and charge people hundreds of pounds for a "certificate".
I have also seen how easy it is for individuals and big companies to be taken in by these courses - run by someone no more qualified than I am and a course that is a figment of someones imagination.
I don't know if Ray Wyres courses were like this but it does seem easy to set yourself up as an expert - you just keep telling everyone that you are.
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Post by The Slave on 06.10.10 18:13

candyfloss wrote:
@The Slave wrote:Jesus wept! What a bloody menace he was!!
Dodgy as f**k. Rotting in Hell , I hope.

hi and welcome The Slave, nice to see you here thumbsup

Thanks for the welcome, Candyfloss.
Nice to be here.
I've been a McCann forumite ( or Vampire as That dodgy Portuguese lawyer Isabel What'serface likes to think of us ) for three years now.
Was a member of the original Mirror forum , then the original 3As until that imploded.
I still don't believe the Mcfairytale.
All the expensive P.R. in the world won't turn me. I've witnessed the [edited out] with my own eyes and listened to their [edited out] with my own ears.
And I've read the files.

Please be careful with the language and words used - thank you
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Post by The Slave on 06.10.10 18:14

@aiyoyo wrote:
Ray Wyre is an expert in sexual crime who worked in the UK Probation Service in the 1970s before specialising in programmes for sex offenders.
That jumps out of the passage!

'Specialist in programmes for sex offenders' -- as in sexual offenders counselling?
Throwing Satanic Ritual Abuse and group therapy sessions for the children into the mix as well!
All witchcraft, blackmagic, dark forces and evil sounding activities and the mccanns were sharing desserts with him?
Bet dinner conversation topic went beyond banotoffee (sp)
They must be receiving reinforced counselling on how to “think the unthinkable, believe the unbelievable and imagine the unimaginable”.

Crikey! How is it they (mccanns) always managed to make a bee line for dodgy people?
And marvellously have this 'character' spoke up for them defending their innonence to the hilt as if he knows better! Blimey heck, must be possessed by satan, in tranche, and when he bleated to the paper no clarity which voice was doing the talking.

Marvellous! smilie
They sure can pick 'em.
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Post by Tony Bennett on 06.10.10 21:40

More on Ray Wyre and his associates - this from the Sunday Mercury [Midlands paper], 2003, uploaded here without further comment:

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‘I've fallen in love with 200 killers’
Sunday Mercury - by Caroline Wheeler, 24 August 2003

A middle-aged psychology student is dedicating her life to helping notorious child killers, sex offenders and murderers - by falling in LOVE with them.

Sally Smith regularly writes to 200 dangerous criminals and counts paedophile killer Sidney Cooke and Robert ‘The Cannibal’ Maudsley among her close friends.

In the past the spinster, who claims to have been sexually abused as a child, has corresponded with Moors Murderers Ian Brady and Myra Hindley.

More recently she wrote to Ian Huntley, who is charged with killing Soham schoolgirls Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman.

Yet Sally, 56, sees nothing wrong in the bizarre relationships. She claims instead that they could help the rehabilitation of the monsters behind bars.

“I love the men because of - not in spite of - what they have done,” said Sally, adding that it started when she fell in love with her own abuser.

“I was sexually abused by a serious sex offender as a child over a number of years,” she explained. “He was in a position of authority and I was assaulted within what I would call a loving environment.

“When he dumped me several years later, I thought if I couldn’t love him, I would love men like him. I began to write to some of Britain’s most violent sex offenders.”

Sally, who is studying for an MA in criminal psychology, claims that she wants to help rehabilitate the men by offering them her close friendship. She first began work in the field of sex offenders in the 1980s when she volunteered at Ray Wyre’s controversial Gracewell Institute, in Moseley, Birmingham.

When the clinic closed in 1993 she branched out on her own and set up the Michael and Ray Snowy Trust in Stourbridge, West Midlands, to continue her controversial psychological techniques.

“My work begins with the question of not what I can do for these men, but what they need,” she said. “I offer them emotional and financial support while they are in prison and I am developing links with other organisations who can help them once they are released.

“I send cards and letters and make prison visits. I also send them money for things like phone cards and trainers”.

Sally, who is hoping to get her semi-autobiographical book ‘Forwards With Hope And Love’ published, says that her desire to help the men is motivated by love. “Everybody needs love,” she explained. “If these offenders are given back some self-respect and self-esteem it is my hope that they might begin to change. By using these techniques we could all eventually enjoy a safer society.”

Sally claims that her methods have already had a positive impact on several high-profile criminals, including serial killer Robert Maudsley. The 50 year-old murderer, currently in HMP Wakefield, once ate part of a victim’s brain with a spoon.

“Robert Maudsley has been improving since I began writing to him,” she said. “And Sidney Cooke and I have been friends for years - I’ve been to prison to visit him. I’m not as interested in women but I have also written to Rose West and the late Myra Hindley. She once sent me a Christmas card and a letter, in which she said she wanted to get to know me better.

“I’ve also written to Rose West and sent her a small cheque for Christmas. She cashed it but she has never written back.”

Leading sex crimes expert Ray Wyre confirmed that Sally had been a volunteer at the Gracewell Institute - but said that he had serious doubts about her methods. “Our approaches are very different,” he added. “I know where her heart is but in the end we just had to agree to disagree on her methods. I think that some of the work she does is extremely dangerous and could leave her open to attack.”

• Anyone who wants to contact Sally about her work should write to PO Box 1782, Stourbridge, DY8 1WZ., sending an SAE so that a newsletter can be sent out free of charge. Sally’s name has been changed at her request.

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[NOTE from T.B. : Some of the names of the criminals ‘Sally Smith’ was associating with are well-known. Sidney Cooke was surely one of the most evil of all, leading a gang rape of a 10-year-old boy at a flat in Hackney, which killed him, and then dumping his body in a wood near Ongar, Essex]
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Post by littlepixie on 06.10.10 21:52

She is puddled writing to this scum. My house-mate once brought a stack of letters home written by Ian Brady to a young man in the Manchester area. Out of curiosity I read a few of them and was so appalled at the content I wouldnt let my friend keep the letters in the house over-night. She put them in the shed. Brady had been incarcerated for decades when he wrote those letters yet still he was playing with the mind of a young man IMO.

The type of person who rapes and murders children does not change. The only reason they are not re-offending is because they are locked up. In my opinion some of them are very clever at manipulating people and will tell someone exactly what they think they want to hear.
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Post by aiyoyo on 07.10.10 10:42

Nope, dont believe in self professed 'anything' making big and easy bucks off the guillable!
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