Re: New DCI

by Liz Eagles 05.12.14 15:43

Bishop Brennan wrote:It makes a lot of sense though if the events behind the photos never happened. If you add details other than the photo, then you have to remember what you invent. And both Gerry and Kate have to remember the same stuff.

Classic prisoners dilemma game theory. Best and safest strategy is to describe the photo. Can never be forgotten, and both can do it in an way that will never conflict.

A simple trick and one of many that hopefully the new boss will spot on day 1 of her takeover.

I want to see Clarence in the dock at some point to explain his media strategy. I want to see this man who manipulated the media and drove an awareness campaign in the dock to explain how he knew he was right about the demise of a little 3 year old.

I want to see Clarence swear on oath that the weird private detectives run by the private limited company from which he was paid £70,000 p.a. was absolutely kosher.

That pink thing needs to be in a court room.

Just my lil' old opinion.

by **PeterMac** 05.12.14 16:16

By Numbers wrote:
splurgegun wrote:according to @JerryLawton, DCI Nicola Wall, of Met's Homicide and Major Crime Command, will take over Op Grange on December 22

i wonder if a woman is less likely to go along with a whitewash?[/]
we now have female prosecutors in Portugal and the UK, and a female DCI in the UK[/]
i don't think they have women in the Freemasons[/]
are women less likely to turn a blind eye to child abuse?[/]

Not if the story of Hollie Greig is anything to go by, and those involved went onto further 'cleaning up' activities of a different nature.

This woman seems interesting, so far -- it seems too long since the days when you'd hear about people doing their jobs (not just having meetings about meetings to talk about talking about the job) and achieving results, let alone quickly. Also, she talks about the victim as if she really understands what it is they are there for. Let this be a good omen, please.

Britain also has a woman Home Secretary.

by ultimaThule 05.12.14 17:05

Bishop Brennan wrote:It makes a lot of sense though if the events behind the photos never happened. If you add details other than the photo, then you have to remember what you invent. And both Gerry and Kate have to remember the same stuff.

Classic prisoners dilemma game theory. Best and safest strategy is to describe the photo. Can never be forgotten, and both can do it in an way that will never conflict.

A simple trick and one of many that hopefully the new boss will spot on day 1 of her takeover.

I would imagine the old boss is not incognisant of the games played by those who have something to hide, Bishop, and is no doubt aware of the tendency of the McCanns to continue to add embellishment to their original story in order to fool those gullible enough to believe their claims about the events of 3 May 2007.

As for the new boss, she is likely to prove resistant to the ploys of those females who attempt to use their feminine charms to obsfucate the truth and is no doubt something of a red rag to a bull when questioning males who are chauvinistic by nature and/or inclination.
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by aiyoyo 05.12.14 17:07

aquila wrote:
sallypelt wrote:
aiyoyo wrote:
Dee Coy wrote:
MRNOODLES wrote:Please move or remove if need be.

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The Mirror link about Redwood leaving has an extremely telling clip of video (which for me has made a penny drop)

Kirsty Young asks about going staight to the swimming pool when the McCanns first get there. Is the Mirror trying to say something to its readers?

Last photo?

No date mentioned.

I find it odd how the McCann's describe their time by the pool ("last photograph") There's no finer detail about what happened there. All they are talking about, is what you can see in the photograph; for example, sunny day, what Madeleine was wearing. Sitting by the pool. Something isn't adding up.
That's the point sallypelt, there's no animation, nothing about Madeleine's day, just about what she was wearing, it was sunny and they were sitting by the pool and took a photograph...the 'last photograph'...and then there was the other tennis ball photograph which was apparently Gerry's favourite according to Kate (although Gerry says his best memory was the 'last photograph') and Kate boasts of her photograph being across the globe when in actual fact neither photograph has any provenance whatsoever and there are those females in the Tapas 7 who claim to have photographed Madeleine with tennis balls.

It doesn't add up as you so rightly say.

It's odd that the CW shows Kate at the pool with Gerry and Madeleine splashing their feet into the water when the last photo says something else. If that scene was meant to be day of arrival, then Kate's mention of "hence the pool photo" is so out of synch and so out of context with the flow of the sequence of events shown on the programme.

It's not clear she meant first or last day. Confusion is good....yeah...tell us about it!

by aiyoyo 05.12.14 17:12

PeterMac wrote:
By Numbers wrote:
splurgegun wrote:according to @JerryLawton, DCI Nicola Wall, of Met's Homicide and Major Crime Command, will take over Op Grange on December 22

i wonder if a woman is less likely to go along with a whitewash?[/]
we now have female prosecutors in Portugal and the UK, and a female DCI in the UK[/]
i don't think they have women in the Freemasons[/]
are women less likely to turn a blind eye to child abuse?[/]

Not if the story of Hollie Greig is anything to go by, and those involved went onto further 'cleaning up' activities of a different nature.

This woman seems interesting, so far -- it seems too long since the days when you'd hear about people doing their jobs (not just having meetings about meetings to talk about talking about the job) and achieving results, let alone quickly. Also, she talks about the victim as if she really understands what it is they are there for. Let this be a good omen, please.

Britain also has a woman Home Secretary.

Making it a total of 4 Powerful women on their case.
Woman judge in the damage claim civil case.

New PT Prosecutor is woman.
New Scotland Yard DCI is woman.
Not forgetting Theresa May who set this whole thing up.

by ultimaThule 05.12.14 17:25

jeanmonroe wrote:SERIOUSLY, PEOPLE.

THe Leicestershire Social Services NEED to 'check' on the 'twins'..........right NOW!

TODAY, preferably!

But certainly in the 'next' week.

"Press button and we'd ALL be gone"

"Car crash wipes us ALL out"

If, IF, this new 'boss' is totally 'kosher' there's no telling what 'some' people might do, is there?

Although I can see reason why this course of action was not taken, imo the twins should have been removed from their parents immediately on their return to the UK, jeanmonroe.

However, it would beggar belief if the twins have not been the subjects of some form of supervisory order and, indeed, such is the secrecy of the family courts, for all we know they may have also been warded with care and control being given to the parents.

Fwiw, I consider it more likely that 'the scientist' who 'cut chunks' of hair from the twins' heads while they were sleeping (these two are noted for sleeping through events which would have other tots screaming) and left their mother looking as if she had 'alopecia' was acting at the instigation of Leicester Social Services rather than the author of Exhibit KH1's version of this momentous occasion. .

by ultimaThule 05.12.14 17:28

aiyoyo wrote:
PeterMac wrote:
By Numbers wrote:
splurgegun wrote:according to @JerryLawton, DCI Nicola Wall, of Met's Homicide and Major Crime Command, will take over Op Grange on December 22

i wonder if a woman is less likely to go along with a whitewash?[/]
we now have female prosecutors in Portugal and the UK, and a female DCI in the UK[/]
i don't think they have women in the Freemasons[/]
are women less likely to turn a blind eye to child abuse?[/]

Not if the story of Hollie Greig is anything to go by, and those involved went onto further 'cleaning up' activities of a different nature.

This woman seems interesting, so far -- it seems too long since the days when you'd hear about people doing their jobs (not just having meetings about meetings to talk about talking about the job) and achieving results, let alone quickly. Also, she talks about the victim as if she really understands what it is they are there for. Let this be a good omen, please.

Britain also has a woman Home Secretary.

Making it a total of 4 Powerful women on their case.
Woman judge in the damage claim civil case.

New PT Prosecutor is woman.
New Scotland Yard DCI is woman.
Not forgetting Theresa May who set this whole thing up.

Or Rebekah Brooks who, as some would have it, 'lent' on David Cameron to get the ball rolling, aiyoyo?

by Grim 05.12.14 17:34

Welcome DCI Wall , please demonstrate the correct procedure to peel an onion . welcome

by Woofer 05.12.14 18:10

Head of CPS also a woman - Alison Saunders (although not sure TB has great confidence in her!)
Mind you, I don`t have much confidence in T.May.

Lets hope Ines, Alison and Nicola can score some points for the ladies.

by Guest 05.12.14 20:57

A source say's,more like they don't know but let us hope they haven't got anything.

After Andy Redwood's announcement, a source close to the inquiry said: "A lead detective would not typically stand down if they can see a result in the pipeline"

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by Guest 05.12.14 21:03

WMD wrote:A source say's,more like they don't know but let us hope they haven't got anything.

After Andy Redwood's announcement, a source close to the inquiry said: "A lead detective would not typically stand down if they can see a result in the pipeline"

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Here we go..... been waiting for a 'close source' to make a comment. Wishful thinking imo. winkwink

by Guest 05.12.14 21:08

daffodil wrote:
WMD wrote:A source say's,more like they don't know but let us hope they haven't got anything.

After Andy Redwood's announcement, a source close to the inquiry said: "A lead detective would not typically stand down if they can see a result in the pipeline"

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Here we go..... been waiting for a 'close source' to make a comment. Wishful thinking imo.

They have had the best part of the day to come up with it,and thats it. spin

by Guest 05.12.14 21:39

Man.. woman.. black.. white.. gay.. straight...

Makes no difference.

Short of a revolution the decisions made will be political.

by Guest 05.12.14 21:44

From today's Telegraph:

"...Portuguese police closed down their investigation into her death in 2008 but the Met launched its own operation three years later.

Mr and Mrs McCann paid tribute to Mr Redwood's work on the investigation into their daughter's disappearance.
In a statement, they said: "We would really like to thank Andy Redwood for his commitment to the search for Madeleine. We appreciate everything he has done and the great progress that has been made under his leadership.
"We are sure the investigation will continue in the same positive way under his successor DCI Wall.
"We don't think Andy could have done more for our family, especially for Madeleine."

by Miraflores 05.12.14 22:31

Ladyinred wrote:From today's Telegraph:

".. We appreciate everything he has done and the great progress that has been made under his leadership."

Have I missed something? Does finding an old sock count as progress?

by Grim 05.12.14 22:35

First name terms with Andy , just like Stu .

by tungsten tel 05.12.14 23:17

Grim wrote:First name terms with Andy , just like Stu .

But not DCI Wall ........Yet

by Woofer 05.12.14 23:40

tungsten tel wrote:
Grim wrote:First name terms with Andy , just like Stu .
But not DCI Wall ........Yet

................. until the Mcs make it clear to her that she is working for THEM.

by Silverspeed 06.12.14 0:06

This from The Portugal Resident.

» Madeleine: Redwood moves over for “painted” lady Posted by portugalpress on December 05, 2014 Madeleine: Redwood moves over for “painted” lady Just as the Met confirmed that thus far the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann has cost the British taxpayer over £10 million, detective-in-charge Andy Redwood has announced that he will be retiring and handing over to a rather unusual DCI from Homicide and Major Crime Command, Nicola Wall. Ms Wall, who appeared in Vogue last year, is described as an officer who “enjoys playing with her femininity if only to shake up the stuffier factions of the Met”. She told Vogue how she usually wears “a heel” and “always” paints her nails. Twenty-five years with the Met, has seen her with over nine years as a DCI, most recently heading up Homicide and Major Crime. She is also a trained hostage and crisis negotiator. In interview with Vogue, she said she “usually has about six or seven live cases at any one time, and prides herself on her investigative speed”. As the article pointed out, “she is only partially joking when she attributes her low media profile to the fact ‘we solve cases so quickly nobody gets involved…" Thus Wall is a perfect choice for a case that has taken upwards of seven years so far to get to the point where it is re-interviewing people who were discounted from the original PJ investigation. According to today’s Telegraph, DCI Redwood will be introducing Nicola Wall to the Portuguese authorities when the latest Met team arrives to interview witnesses on Monday (see: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Meantime, as the Met reshuffles its Operation Grange, in Portugal the long-standing defamation case taken out by Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry McCann against former PJ police detective Gonçalo Amaral is due to reconvene in Lisbon next Wednesday at 9.30am. - See more at: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

by Brian Griffin 06.12.14 1:47

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

by Brian Griffin 06.12.14 1:52

Woofer wrote:
tungsten tel wrote:
Grim wrote:First name terms with Andy , just like Stu .
But not DCI Wall ........Yet

................. until the Mcs make it clear to her that she is working for THEM.

by Realist 06.12.14 2:47

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This piece of garbage is totally misleading and unrepresentative of the facts. For instance:-

''Madeleine disappeared from her holiday apartment on May 3, 2007 as her parents dined out with friends.''

This isn't a fact, or indeed a proven entity, it is an assertion by the McCanns.

What is a fact is that the McCanns have stated that Madelaine disappeared from her holiday apartment on May 3. 2007 as they dined out with friends.

However, without wishing to champion the cause of the media, their products make extremely good fire lighters.

by Bishop Brennan 06.12.14 4:11

ultimaThule wrote:
I would imagine the old boss is not incognisant of the games played by those who have something to hide, Bishop, and is no doubt aware of the tendency of the McCanns to continue to add embellishment to their original story in order to fool those gullible enough to believe their claims about the events of 3 May 2007.

As for the new boss, she is likely to prove resistant to the ploys of those females who attempt to use their feminine charms to obsfucate the truth and is no doubt something of a red rag to a bull when questioning males who are chauvinistic by nature and/or inclination.
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Agree completely. I've worked with women like that in business over the years and they were all excellent at what they did. They have little time for anyone who is not up to their high standard, and have a powerful mix of empathy and focus. Let's hope the new DCI is just the same and also that she is able to resist any external political interference.

Regardless, it's a relief to see the back of the entirely ineffectual and totally unconvincing Redwood. I've also met plenty of his kind in the past. Useless, every single one!

by Bishop Brennan 06.12.14 4:17

Ladyinred wrote:From today's Telegraph:

"...Portuguese police closed down their investigation into her death in 2008 but the Met launched its own operation three years later.

Mr and Mrs McCann paid tribute to Mr Redwood's work on the investigation into their daughter's disappearance.
In a statement, they said: "We would really like to thank Andy Redwood for his commitment to the search for Madeleine. We appreciate everything he has done and the great progress that has been made under his leadership.

"We are sure the investigation will continue in the same positive way under his successor DCI Wall.
"We don't think Andy could have done more for our family, especially for Madeleine."

Didn't he dig up a good portion of PDL looking for a body?

by Liz Eagles 06.12.14 4:52

I can't summon up much enthusiasm for a new leader of the investigation. It smacks to me of handing over a poisoned chalice to someone with 22 years service who will more than likely retire/move to pastures new within approximately 3 years - just like Andy Redwood has done. The fact this new person is female and people are somewhat buoyed by that means not much to me.

Here's another recent outgoing SY female (gone to the Foreign Office to take up a role in goodness knows what as it's an unspecified [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] level posting.

Cressida Dick, Assistant Commissioner

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by Sam S 06.12.14 4:58

This woman has said that she has a great life, nice house and a brilliant career, doesn't have kids, doesn't sound like she wants any. Seems to be living a feminists perfect life. So, IMO, she is not going to put this perfect life in danger by ruffling too many feathers. She has had her orders, Shut it down, quickly and as quietly as you can and move on with your career. End of.

by Joss 06.12.14 5:00

Isn't it uncanny that the new portugese prosecutor taking over the Madeleine McC case kind of coincides with the new DCI on the UK side. Both women have been portrayed in the media as no nonsense types to solve the case, hmm.
Not holding my breath on all of this. Wasn't it Mr. Amaral that said because of all the political interference in this case that it will never be solved or words to that effect?

by Joss 06.12.14 5:02

IMO this case will be officially made a cold case and eventually shelved again.

by Joss 06.12.14 5:22

2008-07-01

Gonçalo Amaral speaks of pressures in the Maddie case

Former coordinator for the investigation of the Madeleine case said pressures existed around the process of the case for it never to be solved. Gonçalo Amaral says that the presence of the officer Clarence Mitchell is proof of that and argued that neither researchers nor directors should be afraid of working.

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by aiyoyo 06.12.14 7:47

Internal political reason and/or strategy must be behind the switch from Wood to Wall giving the curious timing. Could it be one cannot see wood for trees, and the replacement is to put a wall between the Perp/s and Police? Are the parents from now to be ex-communicated, no more running commentaries to them, as we are led by a source close to the family to believe they were kept in the loops by SY constantly and frequently?

I fail to understand why a committed DCI who takes his job seriously, saying he feels privileged to be given charge of the case would make a sudden decision to quit at the tail end of it.
If his retirement by end of 2014 was a planned thing in advance, was on the table all along and known to the organisation, it seemed a bad judgement to put him in charge. Knowing full well a time structure for completion was never set for this case, the possibility that Wood might not be able to see this through to completion should have been foreseen.
If the longevity of the process was an unknown factor and if Wood's retirement was not priorly planned (and even if it was) why was it crucial for him to adhere to it or to withdraw now whilst in the middle of it? Why not delay it a bit until he completes this "privileged" task ? The timing just does not make sense at all unless some elements that necessitate it are at play behind the scenes.

The transistion process would involve more a comprehensive briefing to the successor and just straight hand over. The procedure to select and put a successor in place requires internal reorganising, restructuring, deliberating, follow by a multi-tier hierachy unanimous decision to decide on the successor and all that requires a process of time. You've got to wonder what the overriding factor was for the decision to do the head-switchover at this particular juncture. Why not earlier ? It must be apparent to them at some earlier stage that the process is going to drag beyond Wood withdrawal dateline?