"Seven more Portuguese and British Arguidos in the Maddie case" - TOTAL SUSPECTS NOW 11 (ELEVEN)
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The seven suspects know the Praia da Luz resort where Madeleine, then aged three, vanished from on May 3 2007, know each other and made phone calls the night she disappeared, Jornal de Noticias said.
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This could be quite good news. Or is it maybe an attempt to stitch up some of the supporting cast, while the big fishes swim free? But surely someone will crack?
The 'burglary gone wrong' part is nonsense. But of course it could be deliberate misinformation.
But these are locals and even include (former?) staff at OC. Locals and staff at OC would have been vital eye-witnesses. Someone/several people would have seen or heard things that week that would incriminate TM in the 'disappearance' of Madeleine. Not just Mrs Fenn but other people too, imo.
This is much more promising, imo, than ugly, pimple, tractor, bogey-man sightings in Outer Mongolia.
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This could be quite good news. Or is it maybe an attempt to stitch up some of the supporting cast, while the big fishes swim free? But surely someone will crack?
The 'burglary gone wrong' part is nonsense. But of course it could be deliberate misinformation.
But these are locals and even include (former?) staff at OC. Locals and staff at OC would have been vital eye-witnesses. Someone/several people would have seen or heard things that week that would incriminate TM in the 'disappearance' of Madeleine. Not just Mrs Fenn but other people too, imo.
This is much more promising, imo, than ugly, pimple, tractor, bogey-man sightings in Outer Mongolia.
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Hello & thoughts on new development
Hello, all--
This is my first time posting, but I have been a longtime reader of this site and follower of this story. Over the years my thoughts on theories have changed a bit, but I've always felt that the parents' behavior was off (for me it was all the blogging about jogging after their daughter's disappearance.)
I just wanted to add my voice to comments on this new development in the case. My current thought (hope?) is that SY is onto the truth here...Could this be a possible scenario?: M died at beginning of trip; Murat was called in to help (by G?). I am wondering if he--Murat--was the orchestrator behind all of the arrangements, paying folks in the area--the folks who are now being pinpointed by SY. My thought is that perhaps all the unusual protection has been afforded b/c of M's connections rather than the Mccanns'...Also, I am wondering if perhaps the death was an accident, which led more people to abet (with the additional incentive of $$$$ from the Fund).
Swinging, pedophilia, sedation, the occult--all of these things are also of interest to me in that they could be true...but even if one or more person is/was involved with any or all of the above, it doesn't mean that that was behind the cause of M's disappearance. It is odd to me, though, that it may have happened on May 1, Beltane...so odd when considered with another tragic child's story--Jon Benet-R, who died on another pagan feast day. So an alternative is that the event was preplanned. Also, I wonder if perhaps the Murat/Gerry connection was based on unsavory interests (Gaspar etc.).
I do think that the research on the creche records and the possible substitute Maddie is very compelling.
Anyway, this is what I hope is happening now...the unraveling of the plot & hopefully justice will prevail.
Thank you for providing such an interesting & informative site!!
(All in my opinion only & no offense intended to any party)
This is my first time posting, but I have been a longtime reader of this site and follower of this story. Over the years my thoughts on theories have changed a bit, but I've always felt that the parents' behavior was off (for me it was all the blogging about jogging after their daughter's disappearance.)
I just wanted to add my voice to comments on this new development in the case. My current thought (hope?) is that SY is onto the truth here...Could this be a possible scenario?: M died at beginning of trip; Murat was called in to help (by G?). I am wondering if he--Murat--was the orchestrator behind all of the arrangements, paying folks in the area--the folks who are now being pinpointed by SY. My thought is that perhaps all the unusual protection has been afforded b/c of M's connections rather than the Mccanns'...Also, I am wondering if perhaps the death was an accident, which led more people to abet (with the additional incentive of $$$$ from the Fund).
Swinging, pedophilia, sedation, the occult--all of these things are also of interest to me in that they could be true...but even if one or more person is/was involved with any or all of the above, it doesn't mean that that was behind the cause of M's disappearance. It is odd to me, though, that it may have happened on May 1, Beltane...so odd when considered with another tragic child's story--Jon Benet-R, who died on another pagan feast day. So an alternative is that the event was preplanned. Also, I wonder if perhaps the Murat/Gerry connection was based on unsavory interests (Gaspar etc.).
I do think that the research on the creche records and the possible substitute Maddie is very compelling.
Anyway, this is what I hope is happening now...the unraveling of the plot & hopefully justice will prevail.
Thank you for providing such an interesting & informative site!!
(All in my opinion only & no offense intended to any party)
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Anyone seen any recent photos of the Mcs? I wonder what the mood is like over coffee and croissants at breakfast time in Rothley Towers?
I have to say that at both the six and seven year 'low key' anniversaries marking Madeleine's disappearance, the gruesome twosome are looking decidedly somber.
Hmmmm. More cat and mouse games, methinks.
Not quite sure about the mobile phones but I think I read on here that someone delivered new phones to some of them?
The FACT that Kate deleted past calls (and texts?) from her mobile - apart from one wrong number - is highly suspicious, imo.
I have to say that at both the six and seven year 'low key' anniversaries marking Madeleine's disappearance, the gruesome twosome are looking decidedly somber.
Hmmmm. More cat and mouse games, methinks.
Not quite sure about the mobile phones but I think I read on here that someone delivered new phones to some of them?
The FACT that Kate deleted past calls (and texts?) from her mobile - apart from one wrong number - is highly suspicious, imo.
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j.rob wrote:It’s thought three of those being questioned will be declared “arguidos” - or given formal suspect status under Portuguese law.
Some of those being questioned have been spoken to by police before - none were known to the McCanns.
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How could the press know this? How can this be stated as fact? More lies I suppose.
Why does the article not say that none are known to the McCanns?
Sloppy writing or an indication that although none were known to the McCanns at a certain point in time, presumably before the fateful holiday, they may have subsequently became known to them, jrob?
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Re: "Seven more Portuguese and British Arguidos in the Maddie case" - TOTAL SUSPECTS NOW 11 (ELEVEN)
violet6000 wrote:Hello, all--
This is my first time posting, but I have been a longtime reader of this site and follower of this story. Over the years my thoughts on theories have changed a bit, but I've always felt that the parents' behavior was off (for me it was all the blogging about jogging after their daughter's disappearance.)
I just wanted to add my voice to comments on this new development in the case. My current thought (hope?) is that SY is onto the truth here...Could this be a possible scenario?: M died at beginning of trip; Murat was called in to help (by G?). I am wondering if he--Murat--was the orchestrator behind all of the arrangements, paying folks in the area--the folks who are now being pinpointed by SY. My thought is that perhaps all the unusual protection has been afforded b/c of M's connections rather than the Mccanns'...Also, I am wondering if perhaps the death was an accident, which led more people to abet (with the additional incentive of $$$$ from the Fund).
Swinging, pedophilia, sedation, the occult--all of these things are also of interest to me in that they could be true...but even if one or more person is/was involved with any or all of the above, it doesn't mean that that was behind the cause of M's disappearance. It is odd to me, though, that it may have happened on May 1, Beltane...so odd when considered with another tragic child's story--Jon Benet-R, who died on another pagan feast day. So an alternative is that the event was preplanned. Also, I wonder if perhaps the Murat/Gerry connection was based on unsavory interests (Gaspar etc.).
I do think that the research on the creche records and the possible substitute Maddie is very compelling.
Anyway, this is what I hope is happening now...the unraveling of the plot & hopefully justice will prevail.
Thank you for providing such an interesting & informative site!!
(All in my opinion only & no offense intended to any party)
Welcome to the forum violet I also like kikorattons ideas.
As for today's news at the moment you won't convince me that this is a whitewash. SY used sniffer dogs again in their search this year so it follows they must agree with their alerts in 2007. SY have hardly helped the Mccanns in this investigation, it appears to me they are slowly making the general public realise exactly who is to blame.
Who did the forensics point to last time? We've heard about phone calls on the night Maddie disappeared who was deleting their call records that night? Fwiw I'm not sure the interviews will take place in Portugal, I believe they've already been done over here and the tapas group are the arguidos. There was a reason we never found out who they were last time, to keep things from leaking so SY knew they could pile on the pressure on the tapas group by making them arguidos this time but without a media storm.
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Aye, the interviews can wait until the end of November, it's not like it's a matter of life or death.
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Re: "Seven more Portuguese and British Arguidos in the Maddie case" - TOTAL SUSPECTS NOW 11 (ELEVEN)
Tony Bennett wrote:I think this means that we have two possibilities:NickE wrote:The Scotland Yard thesis remains unchanged. On May 3, 2007, there was a failed robbery at the apartment 5A where the McCanns left their three children alone to go to dinner. Madeleine, then aged three years old, woke up and was abducted so she wouldn't recognize and accuse the intruders - a crime that may have been committed by one of the arguidos or by several, in association.
EITHER
The United Kingdom is blessed, in the person of Detective Chief Insepctor Andy Redwood, with one of the most brilliant detectives the world has ever seen, combing hundreds of thousands of pages of documents, tens of thosuands of mobile 'phone records, and records relating to hundreds of registered sex offenders, to have finally trapped the ELEVEN persons responsible for Madeleine's abduction
OR
It is one of the most devious and elaborate of whitewashes, charades and cover-ups in world history.
I can't see much scope for anything in between those two possibilities
The Ocean Club management said that there was no sign of a forced entry
The official investigation found no sign of an intruder
The abduction theory was proven to be impossible by Moita Flores
Gerry McCann said that nothing of value was taken
Burglars do not take children
4 year olds are not really able to give a detailed description of anyone, even a burglar would now that.
Madeleine would not have got a good look at the burglar in the dark
Even a burglar has some idea of right and wrong, how far a burglar would go depends on the person, but I doubt that there are many out there who would harm a child in any way. Are we expected to believe that 11 people knew what happened Madeleine and not one of them came forward before now, or tried to stop this happening?
Nothing was touched in the McCanns' apartment, so if Madeleine had woken up and saw this burglar, all he had to do was walk away. With no evidence of anyone being there who would act upon the word of a 4 year old?
No, Sorry Mr Redwood - I'm just not buying this, its nonsense.
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ultimaThule wrote:j.rob wrote:It’s thought three of those being questioned will be declared “arguidos” - or given formal suspect status under Portuguese law.
Some of those being questioned have been spoken to by police before - none were known to the McCanns.
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How could the press know this? How can this be stated as fact? More lies I suppose.
Why does the article not say that none are known to the McCanns?
Sloppy writing or an indication that although none were known to the McCanns at a certain point in time, presumably before the fateful holiday, they may have subsequently became known to them, jrob?
I would ask why is the statement made at all ? Why the need to state they were / are not known. A question answered before it was asked, yet again.
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Are people falling into the trap of believing the sycophantic papers ?
Unless we are told this latest development is sourced from the investigators, otherwise who is to say what degree of accuracy (if at all) these stories hold.
Unless we are told this latest development is sourced from the investigators, otherwise who is to say what degree of accuracy (if at all) these stories hold.
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So does Gerard Couzens actually get paid for just re-vamping the story from Jornal de Noticias?
He does attribute both his (?) story in the Mail and also this one in the Mirror to the JdN but doesn’t appear to have done a lot of ‘journalistic work’ in order to come up with them, yet puts his name to both of them.
He seems to tout himself around- Mail, Star, Sun, Mirror, Irish Ind. etc
This is his Mirror story:
Madeleine McCann missing: Brits among 7 new suspects to be quizzed by cops hunting missing school girl
By Gerard Couzens 10th November 2014 13.50
The seven suspects know the Praia da Luz resort where Madeleine vanished from on May 3 2007
Brits will be quizzed as new suspects over missing [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]'s disappearance, it was claimed today.
The British nationals are among a group of seven people due to be questioned as arguidos - or 'formal suspects' - leading Portuguese daily Jornal de Noticias reported.
Four more will be interviewed as witnesses towards the end of the month at a police station in Faro.
The seven suspects know the Praia da Luz resort where Madeleine vanished from on May 3 2007, know each other and made phone calls the night she disappeared, Jornal de Noticias said.
Some are also said to have criminal records and others are ex-workers of the Ocean Club holiday resort where Madeleine, three at the time, was staying with her parents.
It is not known how many of the group of seven, which also includes Portuguese nationals, are British.
Neither was it clear last night if they continue to live in Praia da Luz or have now moved away from the town.
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At least the ‘new’ picture of ‘Pumpkin Maddie’ doesn’t get into this one.
He does attribute both his (?) story in the Mail and also this one in the Mirror to the JdN but doesn’t appear to have done a lot of ‘journalistic work’ in order to come up with them, yet puts his name to both of them.
He seems to tout himself around- Mail, Star, Sun, Mirror, Irish Ind. etc
This is his Mirror story:
Madeleine McCann missing: Brits among 7 new suspects to be quizzed by cops hunting missing school girl
By Gerard Couzens 10th November 2014 13.50
The seven suspects know the Praia da Luz resort where Madeleine vanished from on May 3 2007
Brits will be quizzed as new suspects over missing [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]'s disappearance, it was claimed today.
The British nationals are among a group of seven people due to be questioned as arguidos - or 'formal suspects' - leading Portuguese daily Jornal de Noticias reported.
Four more will be interviewed as witnesses towards the end of the month at a police station in Faro.
The seven suspects know the Praia da Luz resort where Madeleine vanished from on May 3 2007, know each other and made phone calls the night she disappeared, Jornal de Noticias said.
Some are also said to have criminal records and others are ex-workers of the Ocean Club holiday resort where Madeleine, three at the time, was staying with her parents.
It is not known how many of the group of seven, which also includes Portuguese nationals, are British.
Neither was it clear last night if they continue to live in Praia da Luz or have now moved away from the town.
Continues……………
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At least the ‘new’ picture of ‘Pumpkin Maddie’ doesn’t get into this one.
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Interesting if this is the eastern European woman to be questioned.
Svetlana Starikova Vitorino
Occupation: Kitchen assistant
Place of work: Tapas Restaurant
SVETLANA STARIKOVA VITORINO (Russian citizen, with the telephone No "96635 ####) - kitchen assistant:
- Said that, yesterday, one individual, purportedly the father of the missing, left the dinner table where a group of friends (in number 8 or 9), for about 30 minutes. After having returned, a woman whom she believed to be his wife, also left the table, there having passed a few moments, all the guests left the table in question, except one elderly lady, who told her [Svetlana's] colleagues that that child had disappeared.
- During the time that she was working yesterday (between 14:30 and 23:00) she did not see any individual with blonde "rastas".
Svetlana Starikova Vitorino
Occupation: Kitchen assistant
Place of work: Tapas Restaurant
SVETLANA STARIKOVA VITORINO (Russian citizen, with the telephone No "96635 ####) - kitchen assistant:
- Said that, yesterday, one individual, purportedly the father of the missing, left the dinner table where a group of friends (in number 8 or 9), for about 30 minutes. After having returned, a woman whom she believed to be his wife, also left the table, there having passed a few moments, all the guests left the table in question, except one elderly lady, who told her [Svetlana's] colleagues that that child had disappeared.
- During the time that she was working yesterday (between 14:30 and 23:00) she did not see any individual with blonde "rastas".
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Is it possible SY is re-interviewing the OC employees who were on duty that night, not to establish whether they had a motive to kidnap Madeleine, but to try and narrow down the times they stated in their first interviews, and to ask them more detailed questions, or perhaps the same questions, but in a different way? ie, how many men and how many women were seated at the table at 9.30pm?
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[quote="sharonl"][quote="Tony Bennett"][quote="NickE"]The Scotland Yard thesis remains unchanged. [b]On May 3, 2007, there was a failed robbery at the apartment 5A where the McCanns left their three children alone to go to dinner. Madeleine, then aged three years old, woke up and was abducted so she wouldn't recognize and accuse the intruders - a crime that may have been committed by one of the arguidos or by several, in association[/b].[/quote]
I think this means that we have two possibilities:
EITHER
The United Kingdom is blessed, in the person of Detective Chief Insepctor Andy Redwood, with one of the most brilliant detectives the world has ever seen, combing hundreds of thousands of pages of documents, tens of thosuands of mobile 'phone records, and records relating to hundreds of registered sex offenders, to have finally trapped the ELEVEN persons responsible for Madeleine's abduction
OR
It is one of the most devious and elaborate of whitewashes, charades and cover-ups in world history.
I can't see much scope for anything in between those two possibilities[/quote]
The Ocean Club management said that there was no sign of a forced entry
The official investigation found no sign of an intruder
The abduction theory was proven to be impossible by Moita Flores
Gerry McCann said that nothing of value was taken
Burglars do not take children
4 year olds are not really able to give a detailed description of anyone, even a burglar would now that.
Madeleine would not have got a good look at the burglar in the dark
Even a burglar has some idea of right and wrong, how far a burglar would go depends on the person, but I doubt that there are many out there who would harm a child in any way. Are we expected to believe that 11 people knew what happened Madeleine and not one of them came forward before now, or tried to stop this happening?
Nothing was touched in the McCanns' apartment, so if Madeleine had woken up and saw this burglar, all he had to do was walk away. With no evidence of anyone being there who would act upon the word of a 4 year old?
No, Sorry Mr Redwood - I'm just not buying this, its nonsense.[/quote]
And The Burglar managed to leve his sperm high up on the wall?
Curiouser &curiouser?
I think this means that we have two possibilities:
EITHER
The United Kingdom is blessed, in the person of Detective Chief Insepctor Andy Redwood, with one of the most brilliant detectives the world has ever seen, combing hundreds of thousands of pages of documents, tens of thosuands of mobile 'phone records, and records relating to hundreds of registered sex offenders, to have finally trapped the ELEVEN persons responsible for Madeleine's abduction
OR
It is one of the most devious and elaborate of whitewashes, charades and cover-ups in world history.
I can't see much scope for anything in between those two possibilities[/quote]
The Ocean Club management said that there was no sign of a forced entry
The official investigation found no sign of an intruder
The abduction theory was proven to be impossible by Moita Flores
Gerry McCann said that nothing of value was taken
Burglars do not take children
4 year olds are not really able to give a detailed description of anyone, even a burglar would now that.
Madeleine would not have got a good look at the burglar in the dark
Even a burglar has some idea of right and wrong, how far a burglar would go depends on the person, but I doubt that there are many out there who would harm a child in any way. Are we expected to believe that 11 people knew what happened Madeleine and not one of them came forward before now, or tried to stop this happening?
Nothing was touched in the McCanns' apartment, so if Madeleine had woken up and saw this burglar, all he had to do was walk away. With no evidence of anyone being there who would act upon the word of a 4 year old?
No, Sorry Mr Redwood - I'm just not buying this, its nonsense.[/quote]
And The Burglar managed to leve his sperm high up on the wall?
Curiouser &curiouser?
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Dare there be hope, that this is now the inner circle being worked on. Dare we hope that the investigation started from the outside aiming to work it's way in. If it's Murat and his GF I shall see this as positive.
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Portia said "with sperm high up the wall"
Where has this come from? Is this fact? I've never heard this before
Where has this come from? Is this fact? I've never heard this before
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sonic72 wrote:Aye, the interviews can wait until the end of November, it's not like it's a matter of life or death.
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Has it been established on this Forum, or any other forum, why Robert Murat states:bodiddly wrote:Dare there be hope, that this is now the inner circle being worked on. Dare we hope that the investigation started from the outside aiming to work it's way in. If it's Murat and his GF I shall see this as positive.
Quote from RM's PJ statement he arrived in Portugal on 1st May 2007
Relating to the events under investigation, he said he arrived on May 01 at 09:30 at the airport in Faro, coming from the city of Exeter, which has an airport. His address, that is the home of his grandmother that he is restoring, is at Sidmouth in Devon. His sister lives in two different locations, both in Exeter.
--- At the airport he was met by his mother, in the VW that the respondent drove. He went to a petrol station at the airport exit, that had closed the toilets. He didn't eat anything or fill up the car. He then drove to the A22, where he stopped at the first service station on the way........
End quote.
But according to SERGEY MALINKA, Malinka met R Murat on the 30th April 2007, a day BEFORE Murat arrived in Portugal
Quote taken from S Malinka's PJ Statement:
The last time they met was at the request of ROBERT, who called the witness to perform other work and improve the page. The day after the telephone contact he met with him together with MICHAELA. This meeting took place on 30 April 2007, so the contact call occurred on 29th. It was held in the "Baptista" supermarket, about 10H00.
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The seven will be spoken to by officers between November 24 and November 28 in Faro.
Hurry! hurry! hurry! (maddie can wait a few more weeks in her 'lair' in the lawless village less than 10kms from PDL, can't she?)
Give the 'suspects' 2 weeks 'notice'
Hope they don't all get 'together' in Chaplins bar.............to get their 'stories' straight!
Ala........ T9 at Rothley Hotel!
The seven will be spoken to by officers between November 24 and November 28 in Faro.
Hurry! hurry! hurry! (maddie can wait a few more weeks in her 'lair' in the lawless village less than 10kms from PDL, can't she?)
Give the 'suspects' 2 weeks 'notice'
Hope they don't all get 'together' in Chaplins bar.............to get their 'stories' straight!
Ala........ T9 at Rothley Hotel!
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sharonl wrote:Tony Bennett wrote:I think this means that we have two possibilities:NickE wrote:The Scotland Yard thesis remains unchanged. On May 3, 2007, there was a failed robbery at the apartment 5A where the McCanns left their three children alone to go to dinner. Madeleine, then aged three years old, woke up and was abducted so she wouldn't recognize and accuse the intruders - a crime that may have been committed by one of the arguidos or by several, in association.
EITHER
The United Kingdom is blessed, in the person of Detective Chief Insepctor Andy Redwood, with one of the most brilliant detectives the world has ever seen, combing hundreds of thousands of pages of documents, tens of thosuands of mobile 'phone records, and records relating to hundreds of registered sex offenders, to have finally trapped the ELEVEN persons responsible for Madeleine's abduction
OR
It is one of the most devious and elaborate of whitewashes, charades and cover-ups in world history.
I can't see much scope for anything in between those two possibilities
The Ocean Club management said that there was no sign of a forced entry
The official investigation found no sign of an intruder
The abduction theory was proven to be impossible by Moita Flores
Gerry McCann said that nothing of value was taken
Burglars do not take children
4 year olds are not really able to give a detailed description of anyone, even a burglar would now that.
Madeleine would not have got a good look at the burglar in the dark
Even a burglar has some idea of right and wrong, how far a burglar would go depends on the person, but I doubt that there are many out there who would harm a child in any way. Are we expected to believe that 11 people knew what happened Madeleine and not one of them came forward before now, or tried to stop this happening?
Nothing was touched in the McCanns' apartment, so if Madeleine had woken up and saw this burglar, all he had to do was walk away. With no evidence of anyone being there who would act upon the word of a 4 year old?
No, Sorry Mr Redwood - I'm just not buying this, its nonsense.
ALSO REMEMBER THE MASSIVE REWARD MONEY UP FOR GRABS . Conveniently forgotten in the midsts of time . NEVER forget the Reward Money .
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As other have said, I think we need to treat this "news" with a pinch of salt. Unless it comes out of the mouth of Redwood, or an official SY mouthpiece, then it's probably being placed in the MSM by team mccann.
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Re: "Seven more Portuguese and British Arguidos in the Maddie case" - TOTAL SUSPECTS NOW 11 (ELEVEN)
phil_burton wrote:Portia said "with sperm high up the wall"
Where has this come from? Is this fact? I've never heard this before
Where has this COME from !!!!! : ......
Probably from Mr Completely
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On the basis that there is some truth in the various reports, I am viewing it positively. There will be some deliberate misinformation about burglaries gone wrong etc, but the make up of the witnesses, although identities currently withheld, are probably correct. The British witnesses are of particular interest and moves things uncomfortably close to home.
I think that previous reports of witnesses being interviewed were reported with much less notice (can anyone confirm ?), so I wonder why we are being told this information 2 weeks prior to the Nov interviews. On the basis of the reports, none of the holiday party are being spoken to....is this is a ploy to put pressure on ?
Lots of jogging over the next few weeks to find remote places to talk !
IMO
I think that previous reports of witnesses being interviewed were reported with much less notice (can anyone confirm ?), so I wonder why we are being told this information 2 weeks prior to the Nov interviews. On the basis of the reports, none of the holiday party are being spoken to....is this is a ploy to put pressure on ?
Lots of jogging over the next few weeks to find remote places to talk !
IMO
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Re: "Seven more Portuguese and British Arguidos in the Maddie case" - TOTAL SUSPECTS NOW 11 (ELEVEN)
Sorry I disagree.phil_burton wrote:As other have said, I think we need to treat this "news" with a pinch of salt. Unless it comes out of the mouth of Redwood, or an official SY mouthpiece, then it's probably being placed in the MSM by team mccann.
even this would not be enough.
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Is this a media theory or Scotland Yard's theory?Bishop Brennan wrote:BlueBag wrote:Is that their thesis?The Scotland Yard thesis remains unchanged. On May 3, 2007, there was a failed robbery at the apartment 5A where the McCanns left their three children alone to go to dinner. Madeleine, then aged three years old, woke up and was abducted so she wouldn't recognize and accuse the intruders - a crime that may have been committed by one of the arguidos or by several, in association.
Or an assumption?
(I know it's hard not to make that assumption).
It'll never fly, not in a million years.
It's just such an appalling theory. This is a burglar that knows PDL and the resort very well. While checking out the loot, a bleary-eyed toddler (in the dark, having just woken up, in a place she doesn't know) appears. Maddie - sharp as a button - immediately realises he is up to no good (rather some friend or babysitter) - clocks his appearance, his clothes - ready for the inevitable photo-fit and police line-up that will follow the next morning.
The burglar meanwhile knows full well that he cannot be arrested, let alone convicted, on the word of a toddler. However, instead of simply heading off into the night a free man, he prefers to become a child-killer; murders Maddie leaving not a single trace, takes her body away, runs through the village with her and then buries her.
Either AR is the biggest fool ever to grace the corridors of SY, or he believes the UK public is.
The " we don't do running commentaries " from SY is wearing very thin indeed I think unless
this really is spin from usual sources solely?
In fact in an ongoing investigation I'm surprised the Portuguese haven't read the riot act in repect of
Judicial Secrecy laws to SY.
Just because SY are briefed to treat the investigation " as if it happened in the UK " it doesn't mean that
THEY will be doing any prosecuting in Portugal. That's the Portuguese authorities job. If they turn anything
up of course.
If SY found that the crime occurred in the UK then that is a different matter. Then The PJ will be assisting
SY and not the other way round as it is at the moment.
The media/SY? theory itself, though not impossible is highly unusual.
The only way that a death could have occurred is possibly the prevention of a child screaming. But we have three
children allegedly in the same room and two of them didn't wake up. The drugging ( by the burglar(s) doesen't stand
up either for me.
Secondly if accidental death happened due to prevention of screaming then would the perpetrator seriously
consider hiding the body by walking around the complex for many minutes in order to bump into JT and the
Smith family and any other passes by? Pedestrian burgalary is rare I think. A quick escape in a car perhaps is
better. No matter what your criminal activity is.
The fly in the ointment for this theory is Eddie. The cadaver scent dog.
The efficacy of Eddie is disputed by some but what can't be disputed is the number of times and the articles he indicated
on as well as a car to which the burglar(s) could not have access to and to the indicated items for the same reason.
As far as I am aware Cadaver Scent does not develop to the degree Eddie indicated to until 45 minutes or more after
death. Bearing in mind Eddie indicated in 5a and on the items and Scenic many weeks after the event.
Some have said that Cadaver scent develops straightaway possibly after death. Yet if this theory is to gain its
wings then the burglar(s) must have removed Madeleine straightaway or hung around for a bit because Eddie signalled
many weeks later. The intensity of the scent is interesting. If removed swiftly straightaway ( i.e. in panic
Failing that, the remover(s) came back to 5a to leave something that had been in contact with the removed person?
Whilst there they contaminated many items in 5a with the hope that a car would be hired in the future to be contaminated
and further push the blame for removal the opposite way? A fit up?
Further to that the remover(s) may have thrown something or things away in their panic - somethings which the SY " same
but better " SY recruited dogs who were trained in the same discipline as Eddie were in PdL to possibly detect?
It's not entirely ludicrous but this alleged theory is sailing very close to the wind of absurdity.
There are some viewers of this current investigation who think that SY will eventually have no alternative but to go back to the
very beginning. With this latest alleged theory it would be better to do that now in my humble opinion. Before anyone starts to
look ridiculous?
Only opinion though.
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Re: "Seven more Portuguese and British Arguidos in the Maddie case" - TOTAL SUSPECTS NOW 11 (ELEVEN)
In an earlier broadcast to our duped nation, DCI Redwood explained how he had 'drawn everything back to zero', calling to mind Edith Piaf's song 'Je repars a zero'.XTC wrote:There are some viewers of this current investigation who think that SY will eventually have no alternative but to go back to the very beginning. With this latest alleged theory it would be better to do that now in my humble opinion. Before anyone starts to look ridiculous?
Most of us worked out that this was a typically pompous phrase which, in normal English, simply meant 'beginning from the beginning', or 'starting from scratch'.
Did you say: before anyone starts to look ridiculous...?
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Dr Martin Roberts: "The evidence is that these are the pjyamas Madeleine wore on holiday in Praia da Luz. They were photographed and the photo handed to a press agency, who released it on 8 May, as the search for Madeleine continued. The McCanns held up these same pyjamas at two press conferences on 5 & 7June 2007. How could Madeleine have been abducted?"
Amelie McCann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".
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Re: "Seven more Portuguese and British Arguidos in the Maddie case" - TOTAL SUSPECTS NOW 11 (ELEVEN)
It was the top story on tonight's "ITV News" at 6:30pm. Redwood was interviewed.phil_burton wrote:As other have said, I think we need to treat this "news" with a pinch of salt. Unless it comes out of the mouth of Redwood, or an official SY mouthpiece, then it's probably being placed in the MSM by team mccann.
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Re: "Seven more Portuguese and British Arguidos in the Maddie case" - TOTAL SUSPECTS NOW 11 (ELEVEN)
Tony Bennett wrote:Welcome to the forum.DaSteelMan wrote:I take this article with a pinch of salt. SY have made it clear they do not give running commentaries.
I think the fact that at the end of November, another highly-paid team of Operation Grange staff plus translators will be jetting to Faro to interview another seven arguidos=suspects is correctly reported.
They will sit patiently in their chairs watching Portuguese police officers interviewing these suspects, no doubt going through a mammoth list of 253 or more questions, like they did last time. Asking such penetrating questions as: "Did you kill Madeleine McCann?" - I believe that all four suspects were asked that question last time and, presumably, they all answered either 'No' or 'No Comment'.
Like all the other exercises by OG in Praia da Luz, the time and expenses of the Portuguese judicial and investigatory officers will be paid - according to a number of press reports - by the British taxpayers. They have probably already invoiced the British for the helicopters, staff and translators used at the previous rogatory interviews of suspects, all the personnel required to facilitate Redwood's highly-publicised searches, etc.
As for the theory that they were part of a group of burglars carrying out a robbery, Madeleine (but not the children) woke up, the robber(s) panicked, and abducted her - to be honest that is very close to the statements that DCI Andy Redwood has made on the record in the past year or so about what may have happened.
He has indeed spoken about a burglary that went wrong.
He has suggested that Madeleine might have been dead before she left the apartment.
He has said that the abduction may have occurred between 9.15pm and 10.00pm.
He has organised two massively expensive searches of patches of ground in Praia da Luz close to a route which might have been followed from Apartment G5A to where the alleged Smith sighting took place.
He told 6.7 million viewers on the BBC CrimeWatch McCann Show on 14 October 2013 that his 'central focus' was now finding the bloke on the two e-fits of very different-looking men.
And as the above Daily Mail report (thanks for posting, NickE) reminds us, quote: "Three of the four suspects questioned at the start of July were quizzed because British police suspected they were involved in a burglary at apartment 5A where Madeleine was sleeping with her twin siblings Sean and Amelie, now nine. At least one of the 11 people set to be quizzed later this month is thought to be a woman".
@ Monty Heck
It would certainly be fascinating to read the 253 questions asked of Sergei Malinka and the other three suspects last time round back in the summer - and their answers
But of course, never ever consider putting a similar number of questions to the Tapas 9. That would never do.
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Re: "Seven more Portuguese and British Arguidos in the Maddie case" - TOTAL SUSPECTS NOW 11 (ELEVEN)
I very rarely watch BBC, ITV or Sky News and haven't bought a paper in 40 years or so as I don't expect to get any truth at all.
I was dissolutioned when TSR2 was scrapped. I wonder if the Americans leaned on Harold Wilson?
Just to add...I don't think DCI Redwood's zero was taken back far enough. It should have been the start of the holiday, at least.
I like your avatar AlexBG. I wonder if the mccanns will be employed by some TV company to tell fairy stories to the children as well?
I was dissolutioned when TSR2 was scrapped. I wonder if the Americans leaned on Harold Wilson?
Just to add...I don't think DCI Redwood's zero was taken back far enough. It should have been the start of the holiday, at least.
I like your avatar AlexBG. I wonder if the mccanns will be employed by some TV company to tell fairy stories to the children as well?
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Thanks. The avatar is a reference to 'Inspector Gadget', a cartoon featuring a clumsy, dim-witted detective. His niece Penny (pictured) and her dog always ended up solving the crime.whatsupdoc wrote:
I like your avatar AlexBG. I wonder if the mccanns will be employed by some TV company to tell fairy stories to the children as well?
The dog analogy has already been validated, but I wonder if DCI Mahogany has an intelligent niece...
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Michaela, Malinka, Malinkas mum. I wonder if old one eye Murat will be reinterviewed.
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