Re: DCI Andy Redwood is to retire later this year and PJ now believes it was a foreigner who committed a crime whilst he was in Portugal.

by AndyB 07.06.14 8:06

maebee wrote:Hi Shu, I just got it from Wiki:
Scotland Yard case review
Further information: Operation Grange

Thats a bit naughty of the author of the wikipedia article. They've quoted redwood saying "conspiracy theories" yet, while the article they cite as a reference from The New York Times does include the phrase, it isn't a quote from Redwood. Its from the journalist that wrote the article

by plebgate 07.06.14 9:01

If he's retiring by the end of the year does it mean that a conclusion to the case will have been reached or will someone else take over as lead invesigator?

Will he be on the receiving end of a GONG?

by SixMillionQuid 07.06.14 9:03

DonNewbery wrote:
jeanmonroe wrote:

3mins 10secs

DCI Andy Redwood:

".................and it is our belief as experienced investigators, (emphasised) ON THE EVIDENCE that erm, that y'know. that, that, is a criminal act that has been y'know undertaken by, by a stranger.........."

Now what 'EVIDENCE' would that be then, DCI Redwood?

Do tell!

So we can all know, 'y'know'.

eta: 'EXPERIENCED INVESTIGATORS'?

Oh please.

Over 3 YEARS, £8,5+ MILLION of taxpayers money, rising daily, (God knows how much the 2 week PDL 'jolly' they are on at the moment is going to 'cost'), 38 'solely dedicated' Maddie 'cops', to come up with................... NADA, ZILCH, NUFFINK, ZERO!

Even the office junior, and Andy's Ex boss, Cmd Simon Foy, KNOWS the last person(s) to have claimed to have seen a 'live' missing person is automatically a 'person of interest'

BUT, according to those 'experienced investigators' at Belgravia (Met) he/she/they are NOT!
I'm baffled why you're posting this interview now, which is surely at least two years old and TOTALLY irrelevant to anything that's happened since.

Let me guess. He only said that to fool the McCanns?

And what has happened over the last two years?

by endgame 07.06.14 9:13

NickE wrote:Dogs, a geo-radar and probes used in the search for Maddie McCann
Sandra Felgueiras / Carlos Pinota / Nuno Castro on Jun 06, 2014 21:35 / Updated on Jun 06, 2014, 21:35

Dived in case Madeleine and British operation, unprecedented, riding in Praia da Luz since Monday and that will continue until next week.
Thirty British police, equipped with two dogs specialists in detecting victims, a geo-radar and probes you inspect the sewerage component to what should be the last step of the British investigation.
The Friday 9 to know that the head of the operation, Andy Redwood, will retire later this year. For now, the Judicial Police demarcates altogether these clues so far not produced any results.
The PJ does not believe that Madeleine is buried in any of the three campuses of Praia da Luz that Scotland Yard is in sight and therefore did not displace any member of the team investigating the case in Portugal for the Algarve.

PJ now believes it was a foreigner who committed a crime whilst he was in Portugal. (video)
http://www.rtp.pt/noticias/index.php?article=743386&tm=8&layout=122&visual=61

Translated with Google.

Why have you changed the last sentence therefore completely changing the meaning of what was actually said? This is what was said

"The PJ, meanwhile, has discarded Euclides Monteiro as primary suspect, and believes now, that the man who may have taken Madeleine, was a foreigner that has committed an isolated crime, at a time when he was spending his holidays in Portugal."

This strongly suggests that the PJ is also [or at least could well be] pursuing some form of abduction theory and not that they are talking in code that really means "we are right on the heels of the McCanns" which some of the above posters seem to believe based on your misquotation.

by tiny 07.06.14 9:25

endgame wrote:
NickE wrote:Dogs, a geo-radar and probes used in the search for Maddie McCann
Sandra Felgueiras / Carlos Pinota / Nuno Castro on Jun 06, 2014 21:35 / Updated on Jun 06, 2014, 21:35

Dived in case Madeleine and British operation, unprecedented, riding in Praia da Luz since Monday and that will continue until next week.
Thirty British police, equipped with two dogs specialists in detecting victims, a geo-radar and probes you inspect the sewerage component to what should be the last step of the British investigation.
The Friday 9 to know that the head of the operation, Andy Redwood, will retire later this year. For now, the Judicial Police demarcates altogether these clues so far not produced any results.
The PJ does not believe that Madeleine is buried in any of the three campuses of Praia da Luz that Scotland Yard is in sight and therefore did not displace any member of the team investigating the case in Portugal for the Algarve.

PJ now believes it was a foreigner who committed a crime whilst he was in Portugal. (video)
http://www.rtp.pt/noticias/index.php?article=743386&tm=8&layout=122&visual=61

Translated with Google.
Why have you changed the last sentence therefore completely changing the meaning of what was actually said? This is what was said

"The PJ, meanwhile, has discarded Euclides Monteiro as primary suspect, and believes now, that the man who may have taken Madeleine, was a foreigner that has committed an isolated crime, at a time when he was spending his holidays in Portugal."

This strongly suggests that the PJ is also [or at least could well be] pursuing some form of abduction theory and not that they are talking in code that really means "we are right on the heels of the McCanns" which some of the above posters seem to believe based on your misquotation.

Sounds like they still think its gerry

by DurhamGuy1967 07.06.14 9:30

With no news everyone seems to be twisting the meaning of every word from unofficial sources, many of these translated backward and forward that just confuse the situation more. We just have to wait for the tests, but the body language doesn't look positive.

Of cause Andy can retire.... when is his book out?

by Cheshire Cat 07.06.14 9:41

tiny wrote:
endgame wrote:
NickE wrote:Dogs, a geo-radar and probes used in the search for Maddie McCann
Sandra Felgueiras / Carlos Pinota / Nuno Castro on Jun 06, 2014 21:35 / Updated on Jun 06, 2014, 21:35

Dived in case Madeleine and British operation, unprecedented, riding in Praia da Luz since Monday and that will continue until next week.
Thirty British police, equipped with two dogs specialists in detecting victims, a geo-radar and probes you inspect the sewerage component to what should be the last step of the British investigation.
The Friday 9 to know that the head of the operation, Andy Redwood, will retire later this year. For now, the Judicial Police demarcates altogether these clues so far not produced any results.
The PJ does not believe that Madeleine is buried in any of the three campuses of Praia da Luz that Scotland Yard is in sight and therefore did not displace any member of the team investigating the case in Portugal for the Algarve.

PJ now believes it was a foreigner who committed a crime whilst he was in Portugal. (video)
http://www.rtp.pt/noticias/index.php?article=743386&tm=8&layout=122&visual=61

Translated with Google.
Why have you changed the last sentence therefore completely changing the meaning of what was actually said? This is what was said

"The PJ, meanwhile, has discarded Euclides Monteiro as primary suspect, and believes now, that the man who may have taken Madeleine, was a foreigner that has committed an isolated crime, at a time when he was spending his holidays in Portugal."

This strongly suggests that the PJ is also [or at least could well be] pursuing some form of abduction theory and not that they are talking in code that really means "we are right on the heels of the McCanns" which some of the above posters seem to believe based on your misquotation.
Sounds like they still think its gerry

or Payne.

by ChippyM 07.06.14 9:43

DurhamGuy1967 wrote:With no news everyone seems to be twisting the meaning of every word from unofficial sources, many of these translated backward and forward that just confuse the situation more. We just have to wait for the tests, but the body language doesn't look positive.

Of cause Andy can retire.... when is his book out?

You're right, just endless speculation from 'sources' beause SY are not commenting.

by Truthandjustice 07.06.14 9:48

It is clear that SY are not looking at the MCs, never have been and probably never will. It seems as if the PJ too are not pursuing that route, but even if they do, the SY 'conclusion' will almost certainly ensure that no extradition will ever take place.

by DonNewbery 07.06.14 9:56

ChippyM wrote:
DurhamGuy1967 wrote:With no news everyone seems to be twisting the meaning of every word from unofficial sources, many of these translated backward and forward that just confuse the situation more. We just have to wait for the tests, but the body language doesn't look positive.

Of cause Andy can retire.... when is his book out?

You're right, just endless speculation from 'sources' beause SY are not commenting.

Absolutely agreed.

by DonNewbery 07.06.14 9:58

Truthandjustice wrote:It is clear that SY are not looking at the MCs, never have been and probably never will. It seems as if the PJ too are not pursuing that route, but even if they do, the SY 'conclusion' will almost certainly ensure that no extradition will ever take place.

Your claim here seems to me to be without any foundation whatever,

by ChippyM 07.06.14 10:06

It's not clear at all who SY are looking at.

Quite a while ago Andy R said the parents were not under suspicion.

Since then we have endless stories of imminent arrests, arrests within weeks etc. from the media which have never actually happened, which indicates those reports had no factual basis.

So all we can say logically is that at one stage SY were not looking at the parents but we have no idea who they are looking at now.

by Hongkong Phooey 07.06.14 10:08

DonNewbery wrote:
Truthandjustice wrote:It is clear that SY are not looking at the MCs, never have been and probably never will. It seems as if the PJ too are not pursuing that route, but even if they do, the SY 'conclusion' will almost certainly ensure that no extradition will ever take place.

Your claim here seems to me to be without any foundation whatever,

The foundation of this argument would be AR himself. He stated at the beginning (and during Crimewatch) that the remit was stranger abduction and none of the T9 were suspects (not his exact words). Nothing they have done so far leads me to believe anything has changed.

by russiandoll 07.06.14 10:12

plus since then, HKP, Redwood is on record as saying that Maddie might have been dead when she left 5a and that abduction did not necessarily follow all of Grange's thinking on the case.

They both indicate to me that Grange has no choice but to consider the parents as persons of interest, so maybe their status as POIs changed during the investigation.

by DonNewbery 07.06.14 10:12

ChippyM wrote:It's not clear at all who SY are looking at.

Quite a while ago Andy R said the parents were not under suspicion.

Since then we have endless stories of imminent arrests, arrests within weeks etc. from the media which have never actually happened, which indicates those reports had no factual basis.

So all we can say logically is that at one stage SY were not looking at the parents but we have no idea who they are looking at now.

I think we can say equally logically, perhaps more logically, that A R was, and still is, doing everything he can to mislead the public and the McCann's that they are in fact the main suspects. I am still (v optimistic admittedly) that they will arrest the McCanns once they feel they have a complete scenario with some forensic evidence to back it up. Plus the evidence that I believe someone may have given them over the last year.

by Hongkong Phooey 07.06.14 10:13

ChippyM wrote:It's not clear at all who SY are looking at.

Quite a while ago Andy R said the parents were not under suspicion.

Since then we have endless stories of imminent arrests, arrests within weeks etc. from the media which have never actually happened, which indicates those reports had no factual basis.

So all we can say logically is that at one stage SY were not looking at the parents but we have no idea who they are looking at now.

So far we do know who SY are looking at: anyone else in the world other than the parents (as seen by their official communications and actions).

by Truthandjustice 07.06.14 10:15

DonNewbery wrote:
Truthandjustice wrote:It is clear that SY are not looking at the MCs, never have been and probably never will. It seems as if the PJ too are not pursuing that route, but even if they do, the SY 'conclusion' will almost certainly ensure that no extradition will ever take place.

Your claim here seems to me to be without any foundation whatever,

Firstly the searches currently underway are based in ILORs that are based on the theory of burglar abduction. Secondly redwood stated that GM had been eliminated as suspect based on forensic analysis of timeline. Thirdly there is political pressure to 'conclude' the case as stated by David Cameron. Lastly, the PJ got their fingers badly burned last time they followed that line of enquiry with the case coordinator nearly destroyed through litigation for purporting a theory based on available evidence. I founded my statement on this evidence.

by cass7 07.06.14 10:18

nobody and i mean nobody should be in the clear till this case is solved , or closed and then still nobody is in the clear , someone was the last person to see madeleine alive , unless the mcanns and friends didnt do any checks at all for the scent to form what eddie and keel indicated to gives a fact that checks was not done . wasnt there a policeman on record as saying 15 out of 19 markers enough for conviction ? i believe in those wonderful dogs and only thing that will make me change my mind is if there was something planted

by russiandoll 07.06.14 10:19

T and J.. you replied to another member :

Your claim here seems to me to be without any foundation whatever,Firstly the searches currently underway are based in ILORs that are based on the theory of burglar abduction. Secondly redwood stated that GM had been eliminated as suspect based on forensic analysis of timeline. Thirdly there is political pressure to 'conclude' the case as stated by David Cameron. Lastly, the PJ got their fingers badly burned last time they followed that line of enquiry with the case coordinator nearly destroyed through litigation for purporting a theory based on available evidence. I founded my statement on this evidence.

The burglar related ILORs are press reports and nothing about the reasons for the ILORs has been stated by SY as far as I know.

Have never heard of this " redwood stated that GM had been eliminated as suspect based on forensic analysis of timeline."

Could you provide a source for this, please?

I do agree that there is pressure to close this and conclude it, but a shelving does not indicate a whitewash to me, that would have been done under the radar not with public fanfare and huge expense.

Sky has just reported that the police are not saying what has made them decide that this search area is significant. They are keeping their cards close to their chest. Meanwhile the media speculate and we are all speculating on the speculation !

by Hongkong Phooey 07.06.14 10:21

russiandoll wrote:plus since then, HKP, Redwood is on record as saying that Maddie might have been dead when she left 5a and that abduction did not necessarily follow all of Grange's thinking on the case.

They both indicate to me that Grange has no choice but to consider the parents as persons of interest, so maybe their status as POIs changed during the investigation.

It seems a bit controversial whether the abduction statement was made as reported, however I expect the end result to point the finger elsewhere, all the digging etc. doesn't put the parents in the frame necessarily.

by **PeterMac** 07.06.14 10:28

Is he retiring, or have then used regulation A 19

Reg A19 of the Police Pensions Regulations 1987 (A19)

A19 permits police authorities to require a police officer of the range of chief superintendent or below to retire if their retention would not be in the general interests of efficiency,

How much has he cost the Met ?
How long has he taken ?
How much has he delivered ?
Efficiency ?
Hmmmmm !

by Benion 07.06.14 10:33

This is my first post on this forum, so apologies if I have put it in the wrong place....

http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/crime-desk/donal-macintyre-s-crime-cafe/maddie-search-expanded-as-effort-branded-pr-exercise-to-distract-from-corruption-troubles

I was really hopeful when Op Grange started that they were going to do a thorough review of the case. Whether or not an abduction took place, surely the police should examine all lines of enquiry, which would include the hypothesis the parents concocted the abduction. This has not been done, it is a total waste of time.

by Truthandjustice 07.06.14 10:41

russiandoll wrote:T and J.. you replied to another member :

Your claim here seems to me to be without any foundation whatever,Firstly the searches currently underway are based in ILORs that are based on the theory of burglar abduction. Secondly redwood stated that GM had been eliminated as suspect based on forensic analysis of timeline. Thirdly there is political pressure to 'conclude' the case as stated by David Cameron. Lastly, the PJ got their fingers badly burned last time they followed that line of enquiry with the case coordinator nearly destroyed through litigation for purporting a theory based on available evidence. I founded my statement on this evidence.

The burglar related ILORs are press reports and nothing about the reasons for the ILORs has been stated by SY as far as I know.

Have never heard of this " redwood stated that GM had been eliminated as suspect based on forensic analysis of timeline."

Could you provide a source for this, please?

[size=40]He said officers had carried out a forensic analysis of the timeline of events, and had identified opportunities when the child could have been taken in a criminal act.[/size]

[size=40]Dismissing conspiracy theories about Madeleine's parents' involvement, Redwood said he believed the girl's disappearance was the result of "a criminal act by a stranger".[/size]
[size=40]--- End quote ---[/size]
[size=40]http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/apr/25/madeleine-mccann-case-reopen-call[/size] I do agree that there is pressure to close this and conclude it, but a shelving does not indicate a whitewash to me, that would have been done under the radar not with public fanfare and huge expense.

Sky has just reported that the police are not saying what has made them decide that this search area is significant. They are keeping their cards close to their chest. Meanwhile the media speculate and we are all speculating on the speculation !

by Riddlemeree 07.06.14 10:51

Of course the police know it was the Mccanns .

by russiandoll 07.06.14 11:14

anything to add to that, as there is much debate here about how honest they are?

DCI Andy Redwood is to retire later this year and PJ now believes it was a foreigner who committed a crime whilst he was in Portugal.