Diplomatic Assistance Given to McCanns

by Cristobell 02.03.14 12:19

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An interesting article on a subject that came up on another thread. Aside from its content, I think it is interesting to see way in which the Express reported on this case 5 years ago, and the way in which they report on it now. The style seems to have gone from Classic Theatre to Pantomime. Unfortunately the writer of the 2009 article is not credited, and it was whooshed long ago.

Clearly there were alarm bells in Whitehall from the very early days after Madeleine disappeared. These emails were leaked for a reason, they are clearly asking for confirmation that they were to continue putting pressure on the Portuguese given the suspicions surrounding the McCanns. The writer of the email wanted instructions in writing, whether he got them, we don't know, as it seems the key people sent to aid the McCanns moved on.

Admin. If there is an existing thread on this topic, please do merge. smilie

by Woofer 02.03.14 14:48

Concerning the diplomatic assistance given to the Mcs, I found what TB posted on another thread interesting :-

"There is a thread on the forum called 'The people who rushed out to Praia da Luz' (or similar) and there I raise the question of why so many important people suddenly descended on PdL when it was perfectly possible, so far as we knew at that stage, for Madeleine to have been found alive and well any day.

Most respectfully, I would invite you to consider - for each person who suddenly went out there - why was it necessary for them to go, why did they go, who sent them there, and who paid for them to go there? And finally, what did each of them achieve?".

I can`t find a thread about `The People who rushed out to PdL` or similar.

by Guest 02.03.14 14:53

Here Woofer......

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by Woofer 02.03.14 15:00

candyfloss wrote:Here Woofer......

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Ah ... thank you Candyfloss roses

by Cristobell 02.03.14 15:05

Many thanks Woofer, and Candyfloss. And of course huge thanks to Tony for researching it. Well worth a read. As I say, don't mind at all if this merged smilie

by Woofer 02.03.14 15:11

Yes, it`s a thread I hadn`t seen before and agree it`s well worth a read. IMO the inclusion of CEOP, who I`ve always believed are deeply involved, having in their possession the list of people accessing child porn from the Operation Ore investigation. Wouldn`t it be interesting to know if any of our players are on that list and are in debt to mister Jim.

by Guest 30.03.14 10:24

Thinking about the blue bag, while reading another thread this morning and something occurred to me.
The quickest and most secure way to move something from one country to another in complete secrecy.
The diplomatic bag.

by Guest 30.03.14 10:27

But surely an ambassador would have balked at whooshing a dead little girl?

by Guest 30.03.14 10:34

It's a long time ago that I used diplomatic bags, so things may have changed meanwhile. But at the time it wasn't the fastest way to get something somewhere and certainly not a corpse in a JUTE bag ...

by Guest 30.03.14 10:34

Portia wrote:But surely an ambassador would have balked at whooshing a dead little girl?

You would think so yes Portia. But it doesn't need to be an ambassador, just a diplomatic courier who doean't know the contents.
For those that believe the theory that there was the highest level cover-up for whatever reason, it's just a thought.

by Guest 30.03.14 10:37

Châtelaine wrote:It's a long time ago that I used diplomatic bags, so things may have changed meanwhile. But at the time it wasn't the fastest way to get something somewhere and certainly not a corpse in a JUTE bag ...

Gosh that must have been some time ago.

by **tigger** 30.03.14 10:37

dantezebu wrote:Thinking about the blue bag, while reading another thread this morning and something occurred to me.
The quickest and most secure way to move something from one country to another in complete secrecy.
The diplomatic bag.

Errm, the diplomatic bag isn't generally put in the hold but actually has a seat on the plane. Others have thought of this but it's a no go for many reasons. The chain of transport must not be compromised so never out of sight of the courier.

Larger items can be sent and collected from bonded stores but they would require storage and clearance through customs with appropriate documentation.

Imo the diplomatic help was post event and an event moreover that said help believed was true. Wikileaks confirm this.
The doubts of people sent to PdL only surface some time later.

by Guest 30.03.14 10:40

A diplomatic bag, also known as a diplomatic pouch, is a container with certain legal protections used for carrying official correspondence or other items between a diplomatic mission and its home government or other diplomatic, consular, or otherwise official entities.[1] The physical concept of a "diplomatic bag" is flexible and therefore can take many forms e.g., a cardboard box, briefcase, duffel bag, large suitcase, crate or even a shipping container.[1] Additionally, a diplomatic bag usually has some form of lock and/or tamper-evident seal attached to it in order to deter interference by unauthorised third parties. The most important point is that as long as it is externally marked to show its status, the "bag" has diplomatic immunity from search or seizure,[2] as codified in article 27 of the 1961 Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations.[3] It may only contain articles intended for official use.[3] It need not be a bag; in fact, no size limit is specified by the convention. It is often escorted by a diplomatic courier, who is similarly immune from arrest and detention.[2

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by **tigger** 30.03.14 11:58

I do know what a diplomatic bag entails. My point is that a corpse would have been either in a bag on a heated plane next to the courier, or have been sent as bonded stores, via the hold and unloaded as bonded stores via customs where the clearance certificate would have to be produced. More delay.

It's all academic imo as the diplomatic assistance was given on the presumption of an abduction having taken place and in need of controlled publicity and management.

A diplomatic bag also doesn't explain the car forensics, nor the barn, nor the phone traffic.

by kimHager 31.03.14 3:40

The diplomatic bag is a good theory on movement but personally I believe MBM was cremated or send via fishing boat and kept on ice to the UK where a trusted individual or individuals took her to be cremated or buried... I personally think she's got her own shrine.. Totally my opinion

by sar 31.03.14 16:27

Woofer wrote:Yes, it`s a thread I hadn`t seen before and agree it`s well worth a read. IMO the inclusion of CEOP, who I`ve always believed are deeply involved, having in their possession the list of people accessing child porn from the Operation Ore investigation. Wouldn`t it be interesting to know if any of our players are on that list and are in debt to mister Jim.

operation ore rearing it's head again....

by lj 01.04.14 1:18

I agree with Châtelaine and Tigger. The diplomatic pouch of the dimensions needed to transport a body is a too complicated procedure with too many people involved. No way that was used that.