McCann - dogs find body !

by **PeterMac** 15.01.14 18:01

DM really piling it on now.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2539926/How-Madeleine-McCann-case-helped-solve-German-murder-mystery.html

How a five-year-old German murder mystery was solved thanks to a TV appeal for the Madeleine McCann case
The McCanns' appeal on Germany's version of Crimewatch attracted millions of extra viewers
One of the viewers called in about an item shown beforehand
Christina Paulus told how her mother, Sigrid, had been missing for five years
The caller helped police establish that Sigrid had been killed by her husband
By TED THORNHILL
PUBLISHED: 15:16 GMT, 15 January 2014
The Madeleine McCann mystery has helped solve a five-year-old murder in Germany.
A record seven million people had tuned in to watch the show in which Kate and Gerry McCann appealed for help in finding their daughter.
But immediately before their appeal - a young German girl whose mother, Sigrid Paulus, vanished five years ago had appealed for help in tracking her mum down.
Christina Paulus, 21, said: ‘She was not there for my birthday or my graduation, but I always thought maybe she was there, somewhere, watching. But the worst was that I got married in 2011, I knew she would not have missed that. I tried the police again, and then I went to the media.’

The TV show Aktenzeichnen XY - German's version of Crimewatch - included a heart-breaking reconstruction showing the young girl at a zoo with a friend where she was convinced that she had seen her mother some weeks before, and had run after her shouting ‘mummy, mummy’ only to lose her in the crowd.
Immediately after that she decided to go to the media and after looking at the story a journalist raised the alarm with police. They discovered that Sigrid Paulus had not notified the authorities of her change of address, had not been using her health insurance card and had ‘left no other traces whatsoever’.
It was then decided to include it on the German Crimewatch show, where it appeared as the item immediately before the McCanns appeal.

And a German police spokesman said: ‘With so many people watching the show, more than ever before, we were given an enormous access to the German public and we had one call in particular which told us that the woman's husband had been doing a lot of construction work at the time she vanished.
‘As a result of this we decided to do some investigations at the family home in Konigswinter, near Bonn in North Rhine-Westphalia. That included using a digger and dogs specially trained in looking for corpses, which resulted in a new cellar wall being dug out, and as a result a woman's body was found.’
It meant, tragically, that the woman the daughter Christina Paulus had seen could not have been her mother.

The murder case was solved after millions tuned in to Germany's version of Crimewatch to watch Kate and Gerry McCann's appeal over missing Maddie (pictured)
According to German media the dead woman's husband Gerd, 52, who had also appealed together with his children for his wife to get in touch has now made a full confession.
He was shown in the Crimewatch reconstruction going with his children to police stations and giving an interview in which he said his wife had called to collect some of her possessions together with three men, and then left never to contact them again.
But the daughter said she had known something was wrong when her mother had failed to send a birthday card or anything: ‘We always had a good relationship’.
And now Gerd Paulus has admitted killing the then 40-year-old woman after a bitter row over money, saying he had strangled her and then concreted her body away to hide it.
Forensic experts have already confirmed that it is the missing woman who vanished in February 2008 after several hours in which specialists worked to free the body from the concrete tomb.
The woman's children and other family members are getting emergency counselling.

Notoriously unreliable, Gerry ? Kate ? Carter-Ruck, ?

by stumo 15.01.14 18:19

Obviously the dogs were lucky...this time.

by gbwales 15.01.14 18:23

That feels like proper mischief by the Mail!
winkwink

by Tangled Web 15.01.14 18:30

gbwales wrote:That feels like proper mischief by the Mail!

The media are definitely playing games with the McCann's laughat

by tasprin 15.01.14 18:37

So the McCanns TV appeal led to cadaver dogs finding the body of a missing person. Ironic.

by ultimaThule 15.01.14 18:40

Another cold case solved thanks to Crimewatch, albeit in this case the German version.

It's to be hoped that, after their appearance on the same show, Kate & Gerry continue to feel optimistic about the possibility of a similar success being achieved by NSY and the PJ.

by Smokeandmirrors 15.01.14 18:49

tasprin wrote:So the McCanns TV appeal led to cadaver dogs finding the body of a missing person. Ironic.

You couldn't make it up. This must be Gerry's worst nightmare.

by ultimaThule 15.01.14 18:59

Smokeandmirrors wrote:
tasprin wrote:So the McCanns TV appeal led to cadaver dogs finding the body of a missing person. Ironic.

You couldn't make it up. This must be Gerry's worst nightmare.

Not quite... the wee one's worst nightmare is the trip in the prison van with the prospect of years behind bars which, due to his supreme arrogance, he doubtless continues to believe could never happen to him.

I wonder if Shipman was of the same mind before he was banged up?

It's to be hoped that the find hand which has been orchestrating the highly entertaining events of the past few months has a care for the twins.

by Jemmied_Shatter 15.01.14 20:05

It depends what aspect alerted them. Was it the fact that they had been chasing the wrong suspect (tannerman) or was it the fact that Kate had so obviously lied?
Jemmied shutters whoosh clunk. new

by Guest 15.01.14 20:34

Naughty Daily Mail.

So a person "missing" for several years has eventually been discovered to have been (accidentally?) killed and the body concealed by a close family member. The body was discovered by cadaver dogs and the catalyst was exposure of the case on a CW programme. Which also featured the McCanns showing the "new" suspect in the Madeleine case, e-fits of whom resembled a close family member of the victim.

Are the media starting to drop hints to prepare the public for a huge shock?

by **Hobs** 15.01.14 20:52

I was going to post it and you beat me Peter.

Interesting to note they detected the remains behind a new cellar wall., also what caught my eye was my fave number

He was shown in the Crimewatch reconstruction going with his children to police stations and giving an interview in which he said his wife had called to collect some of her possessions together with three men, and then left never to contact them again.

How deliciously ironic that cadaver dogs who were decribed as unreliable by the couple, indicated that not only was a corpse present or had been present where they indicated, it was detected though a new cellar wall.

I presume we won't be hearing from the gruesome twosome at this time much as they may want to jump on the band wagon of our appeal helped find a body and bring comfort to her family and justice to her killer, they can't since it would go to show just how reliable cadaver dogs are.

They will be spinning so fast what to do, what to say, that they will do an Oozlam bird and disappear up their own butts.

by TheTruthWillOut 15.01.14 21:12

Probably a slight stretch, but Gerd (Gerard) is quite close to Gerald too.

by void 16.01.14 2:23

ha, ha, ha. here we come gerry and kate get ready for jail :)

by sonic72 16.01.14 4:03

You could not make this stuff up! Love it! There's twists and turns a plenty in this Mccann saga!

This story, and the neglect one seem like subtle pot-shots. Definitely some crazy psychological warfare going on in this case, it's certainly tense at times, just like the end game in chess....

by suep 16.01.14 4:47

Yet another parallel in that story is that the discovery of something incriminating that was deliberately buried for FIVE YEARS by the perpetrator of a crime has come to light and led to his arrest. IMO the fact that the McCs deliberately 'buried' the Smithman E-fit for the same length of time is as much an indicator of guilt as Gerd's wife's strangled body.

Serendipity is a word that springs to mind: the discovery of something by accident that you weren't looking for. And according to good old Wikipedia there's another word connected to serendipity that's relevant in the McC's case.

"The first noted use of "serendipity" in the English language was by Horace Walpole (1717–1797). In a letter to Horace Mann (dated 28 January 1754) he said he formed it from the Persian fairy tale The Three Princes of Serendip, whose heroes "were always making discoveries, by accidents and sagacity, of things they were not in quest of".
Bahramdipity is derived directly from Bahram Gur as characterized in the "The Three Princes of Serendip". It describes the suppression of serendipitous discoveries or research results by powerful individuals."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serendipity

by **PeterMac** 16.01.14 8:19

ultimaThule wrote:
I wonder if Shipman was of the same mind before he was banged up?

Yes. Shipman was full of bluster and bravado during interview.
He was a doctor, and therefore intellectually far above the DS who was interviewing him ( ! )
So they asked him about the computer records of his visits and prescriptions and treatment of the old ladies, and duly noted it all down, and had it on video tape.
THEN, they produced the internal "metadata" from the computer which showed the dates on which the entries had IN FACT been last edited, which proved
without a shadow of a doubt that they were all altered AFTER the deaths.
From that moment on he said absolutely nothing. So far as I know, not even to his solicitor.
He was stuffed - to use the technical legal expression.

by flamingboy 16.01.14 9:09

The results of the dogs' findings clearly speak for themselves in this case. A grim story albeit a conclusive one. Just further highlights that these specially trained dogs do not lie.

by **PeterMac** 16.01.14 11:14

What I find hilarious is the way they have written the article so that Mitchell and the McCanns CANNOT make capital out of it.

by **Hobs** 16.01.14 13:29

PeterMac wrote:What I find hilarious is the way they have written the article so that Mitchell and the McCanns CANNOT make capital out of it.

Yep isn't it delightful?

How they must hate those oh so unreliable dogs that found a body concealed behind a cellar wall.

Gerry's own words thrown straight back in their faces.

They can't say cadaver dogs are unreliable since this has shown they are and the public will say hang on didn't dogs react to the hire car, the apartment, to clothes and cuddle cat?

They now have to grin and bear it whilst knowing forever more they and the murder of this german woman will be forever linked

I would love to ask them, What do you think of cadaver dogs now?
the police asked them and the dogs gave their answer. Mrs

by Hopespringseternal 16.01.14 14:01

Now, the DM could have reported that just as a long- standing crime being solved by dogs/German Crimewatch. Did they tie it in to the McCs just in the hope it would draw in more readers, or so that they could send out hope of eventual resolution of the case (with no indication of how that resolution would play out)? Or was it, as some have suggested, as a way of giving a reminder of what happened in each case ?

I'd love this to be the catalyst towards the conclusion of this case but, I fear that many, many people are unaware of the indications by the dogs and the dismissal of their findings by the McCs. However, as my ID says, hope springs eternal!

by **Hobs** 18.01.14 21:34

A certain site which i visited as i was nosey and they were talking about me were discussing the Prout case, where dogs reacted to the presence of cadaverine.

Much mockery was taking place ( i am posting here as i know they read here) and that he was innocent , the dogs were wrong etc etc.

Surprise , surprise they went all silent when her husband admitted the dogs were right and he had in fact murdered her.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2062923/Kate-Prout-murder-Husband-Adrian-confesses-shows-police-Red-Hill-Farm-grave.html

What is interesting, and i can't wait to see, is how they will spin the cadaver dogs finding the remains of the wife behind a cellar wall, where she was placed after being murdered by her husband.

Sadly they aren't accepting new members (i wonder why)

I would love to see their reposnse.

Gerry said ask the dogs Sandra.

Well, dogs were asked and they gave their answer. bravo

BTW for their information a finger nail or even toe nail is not living tissue, it is made from keratin which is a protein.

When you clip your nails. like your hair, it does not bleed nor does it feel pain.

it is simply an extursion of protein from the nail bed.

The cells are pushed out from the matrix which is the nail bed and as more cells are produced the fingernail grows.
When they get long enough we cut them ( same as we do with hair except those are dead cells pushed from a hair follicle)

Cadaver dogs do not react to fingernails or toenail clipping because they don't decompose unlike living tissue.

if cadaver dogs reacted to nails and diapers they would go wild reacting to everything.

by suep 19.01.14 7:53

It would be even more embarrassing for the McCs, would it not Hobs, if it transpires that cadaver dogs led the police to the body of the tragic missing 3 year old boy in Edinburgh yesterday?

by worriedmum 19.01.14 13:20

quote''Forensic experts have already confirmed that it is the missing woman who vanished in February 2008 after several hours in which specialists worked to free the body from the concrete tomb.''

How amazing are these dogs?

And if they are 'notoriously unreliable', will someone please EXPLAIN to the whole WORLD why police forces are using them?
And explain how they managed to find the body ?
And explain why those pesky animals failed to alert to dustbins, dirty shoes, interesting doggy smells,each other, the digger driver's sardine sandwiches etc etc

ASK THE DOGS?

by Jemmied_Shatter 20.01.14 18:48

All dogs have enhanced senses of smell perhaps 100 times that of humans. Some more so than others and so bred to increase the number of receptors in their noses. Spaniels are often selected because they are easy to train. I have had dogs for many years and they never cease to amaze me. 2 Years ago I had a bad cut on my leg , I treated it and chucked the trousers I was wearing into the laundry basket. The next morning my wife found him under our bed with the said clothing , he was trying to lick the blood off, he has never done that before with any of the family but purely with me because he is MY dog. Anybody who has a couple of days to take off in March this year, go to Crufts at the NEC and make sure you get a weekday pass. It will open your eyes and if you are going PM me and I wll hook up with you after I have finished my exhibits.
new

by bobbin 20.01.14 19:56

Jemmied_Shatter wrote:All dogs have enhanced senses of smell perhaps 100 times that of humans. Some more so than others and so bred to increase the number of receptors in their noses. Spaniels are often selected because they are easy to train. I have had dogs for many years and they never cease to amaze me. 2 Years ago I had a bad cut on my leg , I treated it and chucked the trousers I was wearing into the laundry basket. The next morning my wife found him under our bed with the said clothing , he was trying to lick the blood off, he has never done that before with any of the family but purely with me because he is MY dog. Anybody who has a couple of days to take off in March this year, go to Crufts at the NEC and make sure you get a weekday pass. It will open your eyes and if you are going PM me and I wll hook up with you after I have finished my exhibits.

Good luck at Crufts, you made me go searching, thought this was interesting, particularly educational for Gerry and Kate McCann.....

“http://puppies.about.com/od/Puppy_Health/a/Puppy-Nose.htm
A long muzzle accommodates more scent-detecting equipment, which is why longer-nosed breeds tend to be better sniffers and hunters than the flat-faced dogs. Humans have between five to 20 million scent analyzing cells, but canine scent sense varies between breeds. For instance, the Dachshund has about 125 million such cells, compared to the German Shepherd's 200 million. The best sniffer of them all -- the Bloodhound -- is said to have 300 million olfactory cells. The flat-faced breeds have far less, but no matter their conformation, all dogs have an extraordinary ability to detect scent.”
With thanks to the above website, it is more than obvious why Police forces / Her Majesty’s Customs and Excise / army / search and rescue teams etc. all around the world, are using and trusting such canine technology.
I think the wee Glaswegian and his moll will have a really hard time trying to persuade such authorities that the power of cadavour trained sniffer dogs is ‘nowt’ more than unreliable piffle. lol4