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The honesty of Met chief Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe called into question

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Re: The honesty of Met chief Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe called into question

Post by HelenMeg on 23.02.14 13:12

@Hongkong Phooey wrote:
@ProfessorPPlum wrote:
@Cristobell wrote:

As the case of Missing Madeleine stands, a little girl is missing, and the most likely explanation is that she died as a result of an accident while her parents were at dinner.  The actions of the McCanns that night, were unbelievably stupid, leaving 3 toddlers alone in an unfamiliar apartment was an accident waiting to happen.  

If the British Government are prepared to spend £7m+ and counting, to clear the names of this unsavoury pair, then the questions we ask must become much, much, bigger.

Cristobell, if the McCanns tell us they were stupid for leaving 3 toddlers alone in an apartment, then I have become convinced that there was no stupidity, no 3 toddlers alone. The McCanns trade being 'guilty of neglect' for 'the possibility of an abductor'. They tell us from the start that their abductor(s) are paedophiles in case Madeleine's body is ever found with signs of abuse. They tell us the twins were drugged by an abductor to account for the twin's behaviour as observed by the PJ. Everything we are told we are only told because it plays some part in keeping them above justice, I am now certain of that.

My wife keeps saying how she is struck by the fact that the McCanns never showed any guilt, regret or shame for leaving the children alone so that Madeleine could come to harm. I keep thinking how, on the few occasions they have ever spoken about their 'regret' about leaving the children unattended they look and sound like they're lying. They don't show guilt for leaving the children alone because....they didn't leave them alone in an unlocked apartment. Occam's razor yet again.

For some reason Amaral and Pat Brown both take a kind of 'middle ground' by putting forward the view that Madeleine died by tragic accident as the result of neglect by the parents. That leaves us all wracking our brains trying to work out what strange set of circumstance could drive a group of people to collude together to simulate abduction. It's hard because the only thing we can think of is child sexual abuse; that alone seems to justify the lengths they've gone to.

But if there's no neglect, then there's also no tragic accident. But there is simulation of an abduction and concealment of a child's body - the dogs tell us that.

Occam's razor tells me death, not accidental and - because they tell us so early on - involving child sexual abuse and drugging.

Good post PP, pretty much what I've thought since the beginning  once the story telling began. In my opinion it is one of only a very few possible reasons for the Tapas silence/behaviors and also the support from on high where as has been demonstrated many times, paedophilia is rife. I do think however that it could have been accidental but there was an obvious need to get rid of the body.
Excellent post. The neglect is purely to enable an abduction. Nothing more. Well, it also served a purpose as i got people discussing the issue of neglect for years and years, rather than getting closer to the real story.

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Re: The honesty of Met chief Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe called into question

Post by HelenMeg on 23.02.14 13:15

@IKNOWWHATHAPPENED wrote:The MET is an organization that is rife with politics and corruption, always has been and always will be. So rife in fact that in the past 'whistleblowers' have had to leave the country for fear of repercussions. 

As previously mentioned HOWE is a political appointment and as such answers to MAY.

REDWOOD answers to HOWE and make no mistake he has been told what the outcome of the 'investigation' is.
Its not going to be easy for Redwood to find a solution which fits the bill...

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Post by Cristobell on 23.02.14 13:27

@ProfessorPPlum wrote:
@Cristobell wrote:

As the case of Missing Madeleine stands, a little girl is missing, and the most likely explanation is that she died as a result of an accident while her parents were at dinner.  The actions of the McCanns that night, were unbelievably stupid, leaving 3 toddlers alone in an unfamiliar apartment was an accident waiting to happen.  

If the British Government are prepared to spend £7m+ and counting, to clear the names of this unsavoury pair, then the questions we ask must become much, much, bigger.

Cristobell, if the McCanns tell us they were stupid for leaving 3 toddlers alone in an apartment, then I have become convinced that there was no stupidity, no 3 toddlers alone. The McCanns trade being 'guilty of neglect' for 'the possibility of an abductor'. They tell us from the start that their abductor(s) are paedophiles in case Madeleine's body is ever found with signs of abuse. They tell us the twins were drugged by an abductor to account for the twin's behaviour as observed by the PJ. Everything we are told we are only told because it plays some part in keeping them above justice, I am now certain of that.

My wife keeps saying how she is struck by the fact that the McCanns never showed any guilt, regret or shame for leaving the children alone so that Madeleine could come to harm. I keep thinking how, on the few occasions they have ever spoken about their 'regret' about leaving the children unattended they look and sound like they're lying. They don't show guilt for leaving the children alone because....they didn't leave them alone in an unlocked apartment. Occam's razor yet again.

For some reason Amaral and Pat Brown both take a kind of 'middle ground' by putting forward the view that Madeleine died by tragic accident as the result of neglect by the parents. That leaves us all wracking our brains trying to work out what strange set of circumstance could drive a group of people to collude together to simulate abduction. It's hard because the only thing we can think of is child sexual abuse; that alone seems to justify the lengths they've gone to.

But if there's no neglect, then there's also no tragic accident. But there is simulation of an abduction and concealment of a child's body - the dogs tell us that.

Occam's razor tells me death, not accidental and - because they tell us so early on - involving child sexual abuse and drugging.




I'm beginning to think along those lines too PP. Its the lack of grief that is bugging me. Time and time again, we have seen tragic parents on our television screens who are literally poleaxed with grief. They cannot mention the name of their missing/murdered love one without their eyes filling with tears. Their faces crumple, they don't remain serene, delicately wiping away a single tear that leaves their make up intact (see Antenna interview).

Studying the behaviour of Narcissistic mothers, they often divide their children eg, Golden Child/Black Sheep. The Black Sheep will take the blame for everything. Its horribly cruel, but sadly, horribly common. The McCanns have never looked devastated by their loss, in fact in the pictures of that summer of 2007, they look as though they have been relieved of a huge weight. I have no wish to be cruel, and I hate myself for saying it, but the more they push the 'perfect happy family', the more suspicious I become.

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Post by Stay Free on 23.02.14 13:32

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Re: The honesty of Met chief Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe called into question

Post by sharonl on 12.05.14 7:33

Scotland Yard's IT chief gets £400,000 package

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10817213/Scotland-Yards-IT-chief-gets-400000-package.html

Civilian worker Ailsa Beaton handed substantial salary and compensation package, new figures reveal, while chief police officers across England and Wales received perks and bonuses


Bernard Hogan-Howe, the Metropolitan Police Commissioner, is the highest-paid chief officer in England and Wales, with a total package of £281,000

David Barrett

By  David Barrett, Home Affairs Correspondent

8:00PM BST 08 May 2014

 
A police employee took home a pay package totalling nearly three times the Prime Minister’s salary last year, it has emerged, as comprehensive figures on senior police salaries were published for the first time.


Ailsa Beaton, the Metropolitan Police’s former director of information, received just under £400,000 last year, including nearly £170,000 in compensation for “loss of office”.


The IT specialist’s total remuneration for 2012/13 was £397,514, including a basic salary of just under £194,000, figures from the College of Policing disclosed.


The civilian employee’s package, which also included more than £33,000 in pension contributions, approached nearly three times the salary of David Cameron, the Prime Minister, which currently stands at £142,500 and which is seen as an upper benchmark for public sector pay.


The reason for Miss Beaton’s compensation package has not been explained by Scotland Yard, though it did say it was under a “contractual liability” to pay the sum.

However, a damning report by the London Assembly - published shortly after she left the force - said the Met’s ability to solve crime was being hampered by out-of-date technology, some of which dated back to the 1970s.

Miss Beaton worked at Scotland Yard for 12 years and was responsible for devising how the force would use social media, such as Twitter and Facebook, and for introducing a range of new computer systems including mobile technology for frontline officers.


Miss Beaton, 56, who was awarded an OBE in 2010 for services to policing, still works in the public sector as a non-executive member of the Information Commissioner’s Office, and is also an independent director of the company which oversees the banking industry’s Bacs payment scheme.

A Scotland Yard spokesman said: “Miss Beaton received a voluntary exit payment in line with standard civil service terms. This is the same package that has been, and continues to be, offered to many hundreds of Met police staff as we seek to transform our organisation and reduce our support service costs.

“Miss Beaton was eligible to depart under a voluntary exit arrangement because of the new corporate direction regarding our IT transformation and its requirement for sustained leadership over a period longer than which Miss Beaton could reasonably commit to.”

The College of Policing’s figures also showed how Norfolk chief constable Phil Gormley - who has since moved to become deputy director of the National Crime Agency - received benefits in kind worth £58,038 last year.

The sum was paid on top of his £168,000 salary, helping to bring his total remuneration to £261,981.

Although Norfolk is one of the country’s smaller forces with 1,500 officers, the payment helped catapult Mr Gormley into the top 10 highest-earning chief constables in England and Wales.

Today’s data also disclosed how several chief constables accepted bonuses despite widespread concern that the payments were inappropriate at a time of shrinking numbers of frontline officers.

Many chief constables have refused to take bonuses.

But Carmel Napier, the former chief constable of Gwent, received a bonus of £6,653 for the year ending March 2013, while her force was losing frontline officers. In the year to September Gwent’s total number of officers fell by more than 3 per cent to 1,367.

Miss Napier, who left the force last June, told MPs she was told to “resign or be humiliated” by the new police and crime commisioner, Ian Johnson, who denied putting any inappropriate pressure on the officer.

Money confiscated by police

Sara Thornton, the Thames Valley chief constable accepted a bonus of £8,015 in the figures covering 2012-13, although officer numbers in her force remained stable over the period.

Other bonuses paid to senior officers which were disclosed in the documents included:

• Almost £14,000 awarded to an unnamed deputy chief constable in Hampshire, on top of their £109,940 salary.

• An assistant chief constable in Norfolk, who was also unnamed, took home a £10,282 bonus on top of their £127,128 salary last year, while another West Mercia officer of the same rank collected a £10,585 bonus.

• An unnamed assistant chief constable in Merseyside received a £1,573 bonus on top of their £93,000 salary.

Latest Home Office figures show the number of police in England and Wales has reached the lowest level since 2002, with 128,251 officers, down 3,500 or 2.6 per cent year-on-year.

The new Pay and Rewards Register brings together details from forces’ accounts on a single website for the first time.

It shows chief constables in England and Wales were paid more than £7.5 million in combined salaries, benefits and pension contributions last year.

Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe, who leads the biggest police force in England and Wales, received the highest pay package, including pension contributions, in 2012-13 at £281,273.

Alex Marshall, College of Policing chief executive, said: “The publication of this new register is part of the college’s integrity programme, and allows the public to scrutinise what pay and rewards chief officers receive.”

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Post by plebgate on 12.05.14 9:57

The British public may be able to scrutinise what pay and rewards senior officers get, but the Powers That Be take sod all notice of our complaints about it all.  Just like the politicians laugh in our faces.

They really do think we are taken in by all their BS.

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