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Post by plebgate 09.11.13 21:58

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MrsC wrote:I'm shocked. What on earth kind of people exist in this world?
Or another question could be 'What on earth kind of people existed in Maddie McCann's world?'

We have the Gaspars suggesting that Dr David Payne and Maddie's dad, Dr Gerry McCann, were having a paedophile conversation about her.

We have allegations that the McCanns are swingers.

We have Amaral suggesting that Dr David Payne bathed the McCann children.

We have a Fund director, Edward Smethurst, who is friends with 'Greg the Groomer' on Facebook.

We have a former arquido, Robert Murat, who had child porn on his computer and allegations that he tried to have sex with animals.

We have Gerry McCann with a file on a CATS system (child protection database) with a registration number 19309.

We have three year old Maddie McCann photographed in make up and various questionable poses.

Maddie who is missing, presumed dead, according the British sniffer dogs, Eddie and Keela.

And a massive cover up full of lies and fabrication of what really happened to this child.

And people wonder why we're still here? Really?

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I'm shocked too.   Absolutely shocked.

Glad to see that people are notifying the police about these things.
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Post by Smokeandmirrors 09.11.13 22:02

I wonder who knows what about each other in this family. Is it OK in the eyes of K and G, if indeed they know about this? What exactly is the moral compass here? Is there a moral compass? And where on that moral compass, does one draw the line?


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Post by Mirage 09.11.13 22:12

Smokeandmirrors wrote:I have no doubt whatsoever in my mind, that newspaper editors, SY, PJ, various criminal psychologists and so on, are aware of MUCH MORE about this case and the people involved (even those involved by association) than these unsavoury "co-incidences' that keep cropping up, they have tools of detection beyond those we can access, and it has long been my view, and indeed hope, that the drawn out and prolonged nature of the investigation is to ensure that the whole rancid lot can be scooped up and disposed of.

Whilst we all long for some sort of conclusion to this case so that an innocent child may receive justice, I would not wish it to be in any way expedited at the expense of allowing a single one of these sordid characters to evade justice.

We have long gone past the possibility of co-incidence with all these grotesque anomalies, this is becoming something depraved beyond our worst nightmares.

Just catching up on the day's posts here. I can't let this one pass without lending my complete endorsement, Smoke and Mirrors. Well said.

I am certain that all here are dedicated to ridding our society of this degenerate filth and calling to account the moral bankrupts who peddle it in the shadows.

I long ago smelt the acrid stench arising from this case. AFAIC any agency that needs us amateurs to spell out what is going down is in serious trouble already. If the agencies already know and are involved in a massive operation, I will personally apologise for doubting them. I hope and pray that we can put our trust in someone to safeguard our children from what I can only describe as rank evil.

As someone else said, what sort of world is this?
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Post by plebgate 09.11.13 22:12

I believe that one of the McSpies will have told them or their spokespeople of the twittering going on about this subject.

If that is the case, then it will not have gone unnoticed that the police have been informed.

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Post by Tony Bennett 09.11.13 22:24

plebgate wrote:I believe that one of the McSpies will have told them or their spokespeople of the twittering going on about this subject.

If that is the case, then it will not have gone unnoticed that the police have been informed.
Rebekah Brooks (allegedly) got her personal secretary to chuck out some of her computers (with News International material on them) into her dustbin.

They were found by police

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Post by Smokeandmirrors 09.11.13 22:36

Thanks Mirage.

It's not just this case is it? Everyday we have tales of the utmost depravity hitting the new stands. There have always been the occasional disappeared/found dead cases, and whilst utterly abhorrent, has probably happened for all recorded time. Now, however, the nature and frequency of all manner of hideous abhorrant cases seems to have escalated exponentially, from Victoria Climbie, Jamie Bulgar, Holly and Jessica, April, Tia, Baby P and all the little lost souls through to institutional mass rape and torture of innocents by the Catholic Church and the BBC, Elm House, Haute de la Gerraine - it feels like this country is sinking in the mire of depravity.

And what do we get from the judiciary?

Child killers out after a few short years, cover ups and the perpetuation of child porn available on the web.

Our leaders support child porn unequivocally because the technology DOES exist to wipe it off the face of the web. Their inaction tells us two things.

a) They do NOT give a $h1t about our children's right to live a safe secure life
b) Only those with pedophile tastes or sympathies would allow it to continue.

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Post by Mirage 09.11.13 22:39

I thought things couldn't get worse. How wrong was I. I am chilled to the bone reading all of this.

I hope to God someone is checking out all minors connected with these people. The police must know what we know, and more. Let us all hope and pray that they will do their duty by the public.
 
I could not countenance going near any of the sites mentioned as I would hate such images to be seared on my memory. I can only imagine how shocking they are.
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Post by plebgate 09.11.13 23:07

I would never click on those links either.

I remember in the old Daily Mirror forum days, someone posted a link to a disgusting array of pics.   What is wrong with people?  I learned a lesson from that.

As has been pointed out, this country is sinking lower and lower, day by day, yet nothing seems to be done about it?

Smoke and Mirrors and Mirage are right imo, we have to question why nothing is being done to stop it all?


What really annoys me is how often Jacqui Smith is on tv these days.  A  former Minister, being paid to appear on tv at very regular intervals spouting what she believes or does not believe.   WHO CARES.     All I can think of when I see her is PORNGATE.

As I have said before she even did a tv prog. about porn for the BBC after she lost her seat at the last election.  

Shame on her and her husband and even more shame on the BBC I think.
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Post by Mirage 09.11.13 23:11

Smokeandmirrors wrote:Thanks Mirage.

It's not just this case is it? Everyday we have tales of the utmost depravity hitting the new stands. There have always been the occasional disappeared/found dead cases, and whilst utterly abhorrent, has probably happened for all recorded time. Now, however, the nature and frequency of all manner of hideous abhorrant cases seems to have escalated exponentially, from Victoria Climbie, Jamie Bulgar, Holly and Jessica, April, Tia, Baby P and all the little lost souls through to institutional mass rape and torture of innocents by the Catholic Church and the BBC, Elm House, Haute de la Gerraine  - it feels like this country is sinking in the mire of depravity.

And what do we get from the judiciary?

Child killers out after a few short years, cover ups and the perpetuation of child porn available on the web.

Our leaders support child porn unequivocally because the technology DOES exist to wipe it off the face of the web. Their inaction tells us two things.

a) They do NOT give a $h1t about our children's right to live a safe secure life
b) Only those with pedophile tastes or sympathies would allow it to continue.
Hi Smoke and Mirrors. You're welcome. Great post.

I feel stunned at the moment. We, as a society, are up against it.  I really believe these deviants have embedded themselves in society and have organised things just the way they want it with no comeback.

AFAIC there was a huge red flag in the 1970's with PIE when Harriet Harman was the solicitor at The National Council for Civil Liberties (later re-named Liberty). She, and others were vocal in support of PIE. For those unaware, PIE was Paedophile Information Exchange. I think you will find Patricia Hewett's name comes up in connection with this. Jack Dromey's also. He is Harriet Harman's husband, and was at the Council too. Jack Dromey is now a Labour MP. Patricia Hewett was Secretary of State for Health under the Blair administration.

Amongst other things, Harman was known to state that sometimes the investigation of incest cases could be more traumatic for the victim than the offence itself. You can easily access the history of this vile set up via Google. It was affiliated to the NCCL but I don't know for how long. There was another similar outfit named PAL, but I think that was subsumed by PIE.

The only mainstream article I ever read was last year sometime, when Melanie Philips wrote a Mail article about it. It beggars belief that the Harman woman is never challenged about her support of this vile set-up.

I believe this stuff went underground over thirty years ago. I believe there are recognised links between administrative areas of our society where this information exchange goes on as originally proposed. I think they floated the idea in plain sight and established the fundamentals back then. All that we are currently seeing is the bold rise of this movement above the surface again. But it is my belief that it has spread like Japanese knotweed through all echelons of society and like-minds know where to link up. They are now too powerful and numerous to rein in. And there's the insidious and deliberate sexualisation of children through things like advertising/clothing. I also think people like Rhianna, Lady Gaga and Miley Cyrus are pressured into sexualising their young fans too. Notice how X Factor regularly gets complaints about these acts going out before the watershed. They apologise then do exactly the same again.

We are a very sick society, make no mistake.
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Post by Tony Bennett 09.11.13 23:16

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Is he still posting images to this day Tony?
I have just received this information from a co-researcher:

by scopertonosol = Tony Rickwood, Sep 7, 2013, 4:08:07 AM

Journals / Personal

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Ah, Winter's here...

Despite being very busy at work, I'm still managing to put a few new fakes out. I would like to thank everyone who supports my efforts and all feedback is much welcomed.

Regards, Auroraman

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gcooper8 Jun 5, 2013 

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scopertonosol! Your work is downright brilliant!

You would have an eager bunch of clients if you were to offer to do these manips on a commission basis, with the client supplying the "victim" and maybe even the background.

Thinks it over, won't you?

Best luck in your endeavors!!

And let me just say in closing...

WOWWWWW!

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reply from scopertonosol = Tony Rickwood Jun 6, 2013  

Hobbyist Photographer

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Many thanks for your comments. I do this stuff when I have free time (and I don't get a lot of that!) and on a purely casual basis. I find it impossible to work to any kind if timeline as what I do is very spontaneous and dependent on my circumstances at the time. The main reason that I haven't offered to do commissions is that I'm not really any kind of artist - I certainly can't draw to save my life! I just started doing this for a bit of an experiment to see if I could put the ideas in my head into a format that looked pleasing/exciting.

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Post by Tony Bennett 09.11.13 23:24

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I really believe these deviants have embedded themselves in society and have organised things just the way they want it with no comeback...I believe this stuff went underground over thirty years ago...All that we are currently seeing is the bold rise of this movement above the surface again....it is my belief that it has spread like Japanese knotweed through all echelons of society and like-minds know where to link up. They are now too powerful and numerous to rein in. And there's the insidious and deliberate sexualisation of children through things like advertising/clothing. I also think people like Rhianna, Lady Gaga and Miley Cyrus are pressured into sexualising their young fans too. Notice how X Factor regularly gets complaints about these acts going out before the watershed. They apologise then do exactly the same again. We are a very sick society, make no mistake.
Fully agreed - and with 'smokeandmirror's comments as well.

One only has to mention two words:

'Jimmy'

and

'Savile'...

...And recall how many senior policeman and libel lawyers worked together for five decades to keep him from being charged with any offences.

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Amelie McCann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".  

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Post by PeterMac 09.11.13 23:32

Mirage wrote:I thought things couldn't get worse. How wrong was I. I am chilled to the bone reading all of this.
I hope to God someone is checking out all minors connected with these people. The police must know what we know, and more. Let us all hope and pray that they will do their duty by the public.
I could not countenance going near any of the sites mentioned as I would hate such images to be seared on my memory. I can only imagine how shocking they are.
Please do not go anywhere near the sites.  They are not for "normal human' consumption.
The police, both in Scotland and the Met - Grange - were made aware of this whole ghastly morass and cess-pit some time ago.
The PJ and GA now also know, so that they are aware of the full background details of the people they are dealing with.
The truth, the whole truth,and nothing but the truth, as it were.
Leaving no Stone Unturned, as it were.

What then happened is that the Scotsman article was published - about which I think no one on this forum had any idea, - and it was revealed that it was the SAME SCHOOL.
The senior school in a village of 1,300 people.  

Philomena, Madeleine's aunt, went on the school holiday with her husband Tony Rickwood - Madeleine's Uncle, and the other sister Trish Cameron, Madeleine's aunt to Turkey in 2007.

I cannot imagine that in the present climate, with the General Teaching Council of Scotland just about to strike the teacher concerned off the register,
that this latest revelation will not be of some passing interest to them.

As Oscar Wilde might have said
"To have one person connected with Ullapool High School taking indecent photgraphs may be regarded as a misfortune;
to have two . . . .
looks like carelessness."
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Post by Mirage 09.11.13 23:39

Tony Bennett wrote:
Mirage wrote:
I really believe these deviants have embedded themselves in society and have organised things just the way they want it with no comeback...I believe this stuff went underground over thirty years ago...All that we are currently seeing is the bold rise of this movement above the surface again....it is my belief that it has spread like Japanese knotweed through all echelons of society and like-minds know where to link up. They are now too powerful and numerous to rein in. And there's the insidious and deliberate sexualisation of children through things like advertising/clothing. I also think people like Rhianna, Lady Gaga and Miley Cyrus are pressured into sexualising their young fans too. Notice how X Factor regularly gets complaints about these acts going out before the watershed. They apologise then do exactly the same again. We are a very sick society, make no mistake.
Fully agreed - and with 'smokeandmirror's comments as well.

One only has to mention two words:

'Jimmy'

and

'Savile'...

...And recall how many senior policeman and libel lawyers worked together for five decades to keep him from being charged with any offences.
Quite Tony. And call the concept old-fashioned but I challenge any decent person to come up with a better description, viz: we are engaged in a battle against real and operating forces of evil.

Anyone who sneers or knowingly turns from the truth of this situation and does nothing, must bear the guilt of the persecution and death of many more children. There will come a time when there will be no one of our generation around with this knowledge and this bloody-mindedness. So I suggest anyone casually looking in here, takes the time to digest what is being said by palpably well-informed and well-intentioned people and prepare themselves to take the baton from us and fight for the future safety of their own little ones.
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Post by PeterMac 09.11.13 23:44

Put scopertonosol - The Honourable Tony Rickwood's pen name, into the anagram-finder and

Da Daah ! ! ! !

Coolest Pornos.
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Post by Smokeandmirrors 09.11.13 23:45

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Smokeandmirrors wrote:Thanks Mirage.

It's not just this case is it? Everyday we have tales of the utmost depravity hitting the new stands. There have always been the occasional disappeared/found dead cases, and whilst utterly abhorrent, has probably happened for all recorded time. Now, however, the nature and frequency of all manner of hideous abhorrant cases seems to have escalated exponentially, from Victoria Climbie, Jamie Bulgar, Holly and Jessica, April, Tia, Baby P and all the little lost souls through to institutional mass rape and torture of innocents by the Catholic Church and the BBC, Elm House, Haute de la Gerraine  - it feels like this country is sinking in the mire of depravity.

And what do we get from the judiciary?

Child killers out after a few short years, cover ups and the perpetuation of child porn available on the web.

Our leaders support child porn unequivocally because the technology DOES exist to wipe it off the face of the web. Their inaction tells us two things.

a) They do NOT give a $h1t about our children's right to live a safe secure life
b) Only those with pedophile tastes or sympathies would allow it to continue.
Hi Smoke and Mirrors. You're welcome. Great post.

I feel stunned at the moment. We, as a society, are up against it.  I really believe these deviants have embedded themselves in society and have organised things just the way they want it with no comeback.

AFAIC there was a huge red flag in the 1970's with PIE when Harriet Harman was the solicitor at The National Council for Civil Liberties (later re-named Liberty). She, and others were vocal in support of PIE. For those unaware, PIE was Paedophile Information Exchange. I think you will find Patricia Hewett's name comes up in connection with this. Jack Dromey's also. He is Harriet Harman's husband, and was at the Council too. Jack Dromey is now a Labour MP. Patricia Hewett was Secretary of State for Health under the Blair administration.

Amongst other things, Harman was known to state that sometimes the investigation of incest cases could be more traumatic for the victim than the offence itself. You can easily access the history of this vile set up via Google. It was affiliated to the NCCL but I don't know for how long. There was another similar outfit named PAL, but I think that was subsumed by PIE.

The only mainstream article I ever read was last year sometime, when Melanie Philips wrote a Mail article about it. It beggars belief that the Harman woman is never challenged about her support of this vile set-up.

I believe this stuff went underground over thirty years ago. I believe there are recognised links between administrative areas of our society where this information exchange goes on as originally proposed. I think they floated the idea in plain sight and established the fundamentals back then. All that we are currently seeing is the bold rise of this movement above the surface again. But it is my belief that it has spread like Japanese knotweed through all echelons of society and like-minds know where to link up. They are now too powerful and numerous to rein in. And there's the insidious and deliberate sexualisation of children through things like advertising/clothing. I also think people like Rhianna, Lady Gaga and Miley Cyrus are pressured into sexualising their young fans too. Notice how X Factor regularly gets complaints about these acts going out before the watershed. They apologise then do exactly the same again.

We are a very sick society, make no mistake.
Agree 100% - the Harman / Hewett thing has been one of the things that has repulsed me more than most. To think these evil harridans got into a position of any authority is truly repugnant.

Yet out of all this hideousness, there is also growing in this country green shoots of a higher consciousness. There ARE those waking up to this disgusting network of perverts that operate at the very highest levels. OK, so some are getting derided as conspiracy theorists, but at least the word is getting out and it's spreading and these vile creatures in the seats of power are starting to realise their "glory days" are numbered. People are getting riled, and they are sharing their disgust and their numbers are growing.

As long as we, as [parents, grandparent etc do our utmost to educate our young as to the TRUTH of the evil scum that operate at the highest levels of authority, globally, we and they, have a chance.

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Post by Nereid 09.11.13 23:45

Apart from the deviance Scopertonosol displayed, let's not forget the 'models' he used. They may be copyright free pictures (doubtful) of girls he found on the internet somewhere, but I doubt they were consenting and are most likely not even aware of what their images were used for. I'm sure the 'models' he uses are totally oblivious to this and would be shocked!

Can you imagine, you innocently put a picture of yourself or a family member somewhere on the internet. Next thing you know those images have been used for manipulated deviant images like Scopertonosol's.

That is also a form of abuse in my opinion.
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Post by Daisy 09.11.13 23:49

Tony Bennett wrote:
Mirage wrote:
I really believe these deviants have embedded themselves in society and have organised things just the way they want it with no comeback...I believe this stuff went underground over thirty years ago...All that we are currently seeing is the bold rise of this movement above the surface again....it is my belief that it has spread like Japanese knotweed through all echelons of society and like-minds know where to link up. They are now too powerful and numerous to rein in. And there's the insidious and deliberate sexualisation of children through things like advertising/clothing. I also think people like Rhianna, Lady Gaga and Miley Cyrus are pressured into sexualising their young fans too. Notice how X Factor regularly gets complaints about these acts going out before the watershed. They apologise then do exactly the same again. We are a very sick society, make no mistake.
Fully agreed - and with 'smokeandmirror's comments as well.

One only has to mention two words:

'Jimmy'

and

'Savile'...

...And recall how many senior policeman and libel lawyers worked together for five decades to keep him from being charged with any offences.
I'm in total agreement.

The 'movers & shakers' so called philanthropists that have attached themselves to this case worry me. These are just a few names that spring to mind that are hugely connected to child/youth organisations/Charities:

Jeremy Wilkins
Ed Smethurst
Michael Linnett
Brian Kennedy (Both of them)

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Post by Smokeandmirrors 09.11.13 23:50

Good point.

How many more revolting pervs are connected to this family?

Even their paid Sockpuppets on Twitter are grossly perverted in their comments.

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Post by PeterMac 09.11.13 23:51

Nereid wrote:Apart from the deviance TONY RICKWOOD, - Madeleine's Uncle displayed, let's not forget the 'models' he used. They may be copyright free pictures (doubtful) of girls he found on the internet somewhere, but I doubt they were consenting and are most likely not even aware of what their images were used for. I'm sure the 'models' he uses are totally oblivious to this and would be shocked!
Can you imagine, you innocently put a picture of yourself or a family member somewhere on the internet. Next thing you know those images have been used for manipulated deviant images like TONY RICKWOOD's - Madeleine's uncle's.
That is also a form of abuse in my opinion.
Edited to add the truth of the matter. Forgive me.
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Post by Mirage 10.11.13 0:00

Thank you Peter for your very important warnings about looking at these sites. I firmly believe they are mind poison.
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Post by Nereid 10.11.13 0:02

PeterMac wrote:
Nereid wrote:Apart from the deviance TONY RICKWOOD, - Madeleine's Uncle displayed, let's not forget the 'models' he used. They may be copyright free pictures (doubtful) of girls he found on the internet somewhere, but I doubt they were consenting and are most likely not even aware of what their images were used for. I'm sure the 'models' he uses are totally oblivious to this and would be shocked!
Can you imagine, you innocently put a picture of yourself or a family member somewhere on the internet. Next thing you know those images have been used for manipulated deviant images like TONY RICKWOOD's - Madeleine's uncle's.
That is also a form of abuse in my opinion.
Edited to add the truth of the matter. Forgive me.
Forgiven yes 

But if those 'models' ever find out what they were (ab)used for, I hope they manage to find very good legal representation!
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Post by PeterMac 10.11.13 0:16

Mirage wrote:Thank you Peter for your very important warnings about looking at these sites. I firmly believe they are mind poison.
They are.
Many years ago we had a big case involving videos of these types of activities.
They were hidden within apparently normal films.
This was the age of video, no search, very little fast forward,  . .
I had to select an officer to perform the task of running through hundreds of hours of stuff.
We talked at length about the implications, and the likely or possible psychological effects on him.
He did the job and gave the evidence in court.
And then underwent a long process of psychiatric rehabilitation.
I have the horrible feeling that he never really recovered.

If people choose to turn over stones, as someone else has said, they must accept what they find.

Start turning over the  Martin Ingram / Ullapool High / Philomena McCann / Tony Rickwood - stone, and you may find things you did not want to know about.
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Post by PeterMac 10.11.13 0:19

Nereid wrote:
But if those 'models' ever find out what they were (ab)used for, I hope they manage to find very good legal representation!
But Carter-Ruck won't act for them. They are firmly committed to the other camp ! ! !

Aren't they Kevin ! !  Testing ,Testing.  1, 2 3
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Aren't they Kevin ! !  Testing ,Testing.  1, 2 3
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You're doing that the universal way: "testing, 1, 2, 3,"
The French, of course, have their own way: "un, un, un". For those, who don't speak French: this sounds like a sheep or maybe rather a donkey ... big grin 
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Post by Mirage 10.11.13 0:38

PeterMac wrote:
Mirage wrote:Thank you Peter for your very important warnings about looking at these sites. I firmly believe they are mind poison.
They are.
Many years ago we had a big case involving videos of these types of activities.
They were hidden within apparently normal films.
This was the age of video, no search, very little fast forward,  . .
I had to select an officer to perform the task of running through hundreds of hours of stuff.
We talked at length about the implications, and the likely or possible psychological effects on him.
He did the job and gave the evidence in court.
And then underwent a long process of psychiatric rehabilitation.
I have the horrible feeling that he never really recovered.

If people choose to turn over stones, as someone else has said, they must accept what they find.

Start turning over the  Martin Ingram / Ullapool High / Philomena McCann / Tony Rickwood - stone, and you may find things you did not want to know about.
I could not agree more, Peter.

I believe law enforcement agents tasked with trawling though downloads on seized computers should not be exposed to this work day in day out for the reasons you describe. There should be some rota system involved because the mind can quickly be de-sensitised by exposure to pernicious images. Perhaps, in the future, some computer software will be able to identify and grade these materials so as to prevent corruption or psychiatric illness ensuing.

Insofar as this case is concerned, I already feel burdened enough. It feels like a weight I drag around every day. I certainly don't want my mind encumbered any more than it already is.
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