Re: Former Ullapool teacher struck off for indecent images

by Dee14 11.11.13 11:48

Sorry

by Hongkong Phooey 11.11.13 12:46

ProfessorPPlum wrote:Tony, if you are NOT connecting Rickman's 'formative' 'obsession' with women in quicksand with Madeleine's disappearance, why then are you hell-bent on discussing it in this thread, on this forum?

And Dee14 states there is quicksand near Huelva. Wow. What of it?

Unless of course, you're suggesting that Madeleine was disposed of by Uncle Tony (whose 'women in peril in quicksand' obsession came in handy to get the McCanns out of trouble)?

How did that phone call go? Let's imagine it: "Oh, Phil, something disastrous has happened...." "Calm down, Gerry, I've talked to Tony and he said he'll get on the next plane and take care of things for you. In fact, he seems quite excited at the prospect....."

I think you are looking at it from the wrong angle. Nobody has stated that this guy (her uncle) is involved. What needs to be looked at is this the circle that the McCanns or their friends move in. A close relative has a partner with a dubious 'hobby' and there are several other instances (outlined on this thread) which could point to abuse. Nobody from what I see has accused him of anything as such.

by Guest 11.11.13 12:52

Yes, that's what I tried to put over earlier.

If this was a person unconnected to the McCanns I probably wouldn't have thought anything of it but, in view of other unusual friends and their own behaviour at times, it does leave me feeling uneasy.

by **PeterMac** 11.11.13 14:29

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Yes, that's what I tried to put over earlier.
If this was a person unconnected to the McCanns I probably wouldn't have thought anything of it but, in view of other unusual friends and their own behaviour at times, it does leave me feeling uneasy.

And let us remember that the McCanns were squealing Paedo*** within minutes.
Why ?
Why not
Missing
kidnapped
taken,
Gone for a walk and got lost

There was no evidence of abduction- other than their statements, obviously, and therefore even less evidence of the nature of the person or persons which might have committed the crime.
But their FIRST thought . . .

by Joss 11.11.13 14:52

And not to forget the Lewd conversation between GM & DP that was reported to the police by another Doctor couple of friends when they felt it was appropriate to report it after Madeline went missing. Sounds pretty sick kind of convo. for a couple of adult males about a minor child. Was that ever fully investigated i wonder? Something is definitely not right with those people IMO.

by Curioser 11.11.13 14:54

ProfessorPPlum wrote:MrsC I totally agree it's not healthy. Nowhere have I suggested it is. What I object to is this willful 'squaring of the circle' that goes on here with the barely-disguised agenda of 'proving' that somehow this all adds up to the disgusting paedophile cover-up conspiracy.

A completely libellous post accusing Rickman of wanting to make a 'snuff film' (a kind of film in which real women are actually murdered) was removed yesterday at my request. Why did I request it? Because no matter how distasteful someone's 'obsession' is, it doesn't make it ok for someone to declare them a killer or a paedophile or put false words in their mouths.

TruthWillOut - good question with the troublesome reflection in the sunglasses. Here's all I know: all the indicators I have as an expert photoshopper tell me that the 'last photo' by the pool is NOT constructed. Every piece of 'evidence' that it was I've looked at and it doesn't bear out for me. By contrast there is ONE thing I can't explain: the apparent odd rotation of the reflection in the glasses. I say apparent because 'rotation' is the interpretation my brain puts on it because I can't explain it otherwise.

Assuming a photoshop expert put this 'last photo' together SO expertly that another photoshop expert (i.e. me) cannot see a single trace of his work why, pray, would they also choose to photoshop in a reflection in the sunglasses at an obvious 90 degrees counter-clockwise to what it should be? I mean, seriously....

Just like with a man who gets off on the image of women in quicksand; when we don't know or understand, we jump to conclusions.

Don't waste your breath PPP. I've been having the same discussion on the Questions and Photographs thread: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and there is a similar discussion in The Last Photo - the key questions thread: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Logic and experience count for nothing against people who have set their minds in concrete. I don't think it's been doctored. I'm not sure that the sunglasses reflection is of the kids at all. It could be someone in a blue dress or, if it has been replaced, it's a bloody impressive job. The only innocent reason I can think of is that maybe one of the little kids was caught in the reflection doing or showing something they'd rather not have shown.

As an aside, fetishes are quite often completely harmless titillation. Also, Mr Gaspar didn't think they were talking about Madeleine at all; I think the paedo thing is bunk.

by Joss 11.11.13 15:05

[color:c46a=000000]On the 16th of May 2007, two doctor friends of the McCanns, and the Paynes, make a statement to Leicestershire Police (LP) in which they express their concern over sexually suggestive gestures made by David Payne on a previous holiday in Majorca. These alleged gestures are considered, by one of the witnesses, to be consistent with acts of paedophilia.
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by ProfessorPPlum 11.11.13 15:29

Joss, it struck me at the time I first read the Gaspar statements that the leap from seeing GM and DP making disturbing gestures to the judgment that DP was the kind of person who looked at child pornography (which Mrs Gaspar made) would be an unacceptable one in any court of law.

PeterMac I agree; things raise my suspicions as they clearly do yours. But the more suspicious we are, the more we require to be disciplined in our thinking because it's at this point we're most likely to suffer from strong confirmation bias: ignoring facts to reach the conclusion we already hold. It's natural and it happens all the time.

While I'm not convinced about some big paedo conspiracy protecting the McCanns, the possibility of Madeleine having been subject to paedophile abuse is a strong contender on the short list of reasons why someone might simulate an abduction to cover up an accidental death. I'm not naiive nor am I insensitive to the many details within this case that have potential paeodophile aspects them. My concern is strictly about the assumption being made here: that a fetish or sexual fantasy of the husband of Gerry McCann's sister is relevant to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

I'd like any of you who think that this is so, to explain to me exactly why. I'd like to know how Tony Rickwood's personal fantasies influenced events in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann on, before or after May 3rd.

by mt 11.11.13 15:31

Regarding the quicksand in Huelva and Tony Rickwood having been 'missed' by mainstream. Why haven't we heard about him? He was never there to hold Phil's hand whenever she was on tv, never mentioned in newspaper articles, in fact Phil has always used her maiden name. Was this deliberate? Did he suggest the quicksand in Huelva to Gerry? Could it be possible that if his name was better known his quicksand perversion would have come out and 2 plus 2 put together for any kind of lead?

ETA if anyone's brave enough, here's Rickwoods VK account http://vk.com/id220033156

by chillyheat 11.11.13 15:51

mt wrote:Regarding the quicksand in Huelva and Tony Rickwood having been 'missed' by mainstream. Why haven't we heard about him? He was never there to hold Phil's hand whenever she was on tv, never mentioned in newspaper articles, in fact Phil has always used her maiden name. Was this deliberate? Did he suggest the quicksand in Huelva to Gerry? Could it be possible that if his name was better known his quicksand perversion would have come out and 2 plus 2 put together for any kind of lead?

ETA if anyone's brave enough, here's Rickwoods VK account http://vk.com/id220033156

I clicked the link but everything seems deleted....However he still has 1 follower there. I typed that name into Google and it has a link for the deep web beware

Will try and find more....

by ProfessorPPlum 11.11.13 15:53

So what do you make of this?

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by chillyheat 11.11.13 15:54

ChillyHeat wrote:
mt wrote:Regarding the quicksand in Huelva and Tony Rickwood having been 'missed' by mainstream. Why haven't we heard about him? He was never there to hold Phil's hand whenever she was on tv, never mentioned in newspaper articles, in fact Phil has always used her maiden name. Was this deliberate? Did he suggest the quicksand in Huelva to Gerry? Could it be possible that if his name was better known his quicksand perversion would have come out and 2 plus 2 put together for any kind of lead?

ETA if anyone's brave enough, here's Rickwoods VK account http://vk.com/id220033156
I clicked the link but everything seems deleted....However he still has 1 follower there. I typed that name into Google and it has a link for the deep web
Will try and find more....

Looks like Russian bondage to me on the name of Rickwoods follower

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by soundworks 11.11.13 15:57

ProfessorPPlum wrote:So what do you make of this?

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bloody hell I live 10 mins away from that school !

by chillyheat 11.11.13 15:59

ChillyHeat wrote:
ChillyHeat wrote:
mt wrote:Regarding the quicksand in Huelva and Tony Rickwood having been 'missed' by mainstream. Why haven't we heard about him? He was never there to hold Phil's hand whenever she was on tv, never mentioned in newspaper articles, in fact Phil has always used her maiden name. Was this deliberate? Did he suggest the quicksand in Huelva to Gerry? Could it be possible that if his name was better known his quicksand perversion would have come out and 2 plus 2 put together for any kind of lead?

ETA if anyone's brave enough, here's Rickwoods VK account http://vk.com/id220033156
I clicked the link but everything seems deleted....However he still has 1 follower there. I typed that name into Google and it has a link for the deep web
Will try and find more....
Looks like Russian bondage to me on the name of Rickwoods follower

We have detected suspicious activity on Alexander's profile
and temporarily suspended it to prevent further damage.

Am not going any further....Not sure what it all means. Could be 2 accounts owned by one.

by Joss 11.11.13 16:00

ProfessorPPlum wrote:Joss, it struck me at the time I first read the Gaspar statements that the leap from seeing GM and DP making disturbing gestures to the judgment that DP was the kind of person who looked at child pornography (which Mrs Gaspar made) would be an unacceptable one in any court of law.

PeterMac I agree; things raise my suspicions as they clearly do yours. But the more suspicious we are, the more we require to be disciplined in our thinking because it's at this point we're most likely to suffer from strong confirmation bias: ignoring facts to reach the conclusion we already hold. It's natural and it happens all the time.

While I'm not convinced about some big paedo conspiracy protecting the McCanns, the possibility of Madeleine having been subject to paedophile abuse is a strong contender on the short list of reasons why someone might simulate an abduction to cover up an accidental death. I'm not naiive nor am I insensitive to the many details within this case that have potential paeodophile aspects them. My concern is strictly about the assumption being made here: that a fetish or sexual fantasy of the husband of Gerry McCann's sister is relevant to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

I'd like any of you who think that this is so, to explain to me exactly why. I'd like to know how Tony Rickwood's personal fantasies influenced events in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann on, before or after May 3rd.

PPP, It could be relevent in a Court of Law if it were a proven fact. But to my knowledge DP was not investigated further that i have read.
I also think in regard to Rickwood's personal fantasies it might be a bit of a stretch to think that implicates him in Madeline's disappearance though. I'm sure there is much that we still don't know about the people involved in this case to date and where investigations will eventually lead, if at all?

by mt 11.11.13 16:02

ProfessorPPlum wrote:So what do you make of this?

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I just noticed the name (Head Teacher) Dr Tony Rickwood on that story. I wonder where Phil's Tony Rickwood was working at that time? Could he have commuted during the week and gone back to Scotland at the weekend until he found a more local job?

by chillyheat 11.11.13 16:03

ProfessorPPlum wrote:So what do you make of this?

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by Nereid 11.11.13 16:08

mt wrote:
ProfessorPPlum wrote:So what do you make of this?

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I just noticed the name (Head Teacher) Dr Tony Rickwood on that story. I wonder where Phil's Tony Rickwood was working at that time? Could he have commuted during the week and gone back to Scotland at the weekend until he found a more local job?

Let's be careful here. This is a different Tony Rickwood, whom I believe is a highly respected Headteacher. Now retired.

by chillyheat 11.11.13 16:10

Nereid wrote:
mt wrote:
ProfessorPPlum wrote:So what do you make of this?

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I just noticed the name (Head Teacher) Dr Tony Rickwood on that story. I wonder where Phil's Tony Rickwood was working at that time? Could he have commuted during the week and gone back to Scotland at the weekend until he found a more local job?
Let's be careful here. This is a different Tony Rickwood, whom I believe is a highly respected Headteacher. Now retired.

Indeed.....Its not the same chap. I will delete any reference to Dr T

by Liz Eagles 11.11.13 16:11

ProfessorPPlum wrote:So what do you make of this?

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You certainly lit the blue touch paper and stood well back with that one PPP. It doesn't do much for the forum's credibility either.

by mt 11.11.13 16:32

ChillyHeat wrote:
ProfessorPPlum wrote:So what do you make of this?

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I don't think he is, I've googled images of Phil McCann's Tony and the teacher Tony and they're different people entirely.

by **Tony Bennett** 11.11.13 16:33

ProfessorPPlum wrote:Tony, if you are NOT connecting Rickman's 'formative' 'obsession' with women in quicksand with Madeleine's disappearance, why then are you hell-bent on discussing it in this thread, on this forum?

And Dee14 states there is quicksand near Huelva. Wow. What of it?

Unless of course, you're suggesting that Madeleine was disposed of by Uncle Tony (whose 'women in peril in quicksand' obsession came in handy to get the McCanns out of trouble)?

How did that phone call go? Let's imagine it: "Oh, Phil, something disastrous has happened...." "Calm down, Gerry, I've talked to Tony and he said he'll get on the next plane and take care of things for you. In fact, he seems quite excited at the prospect....."

Development No. 1 - 'candyfloss' from Admin opened this thread, re Martin Ingram

Development No. 2 - Others referred to disclosures about Philomena McCann's husband Tony Rickwood, since Philomena McCann works at the same school and employed him

Development No. 3 - I shared (some of) what I know

Development No. 4 - I began discussing it

by SittingOnTheFence 11.11.13 16:50

PPP, I think TB answered your question in that no association was being inferred, at least not by the original posters who were attempting to ascertain if there maybe some connection or further avenues to explore. Some people however appear to have misconstrued and / or jumped too far in joining the dots, IMO. (already answered whilst typing)

From my perspective, like you, I've yet to be convinced on the pedophile aspect but I haven't discounted it. Based on reports that I've read over the last few days, statics indicate pedophiles are your 'average' person in society (http://www.childmolestationprevention.org/pdfs/study.pdf), if so, it can't be considered as 'abnormal' to have pedophile sexual desires - can it? (I might be misinterpreting). Anyway, the big issue being an active pedophile - child molester (88% of pedophiles) v inactive and having self control (morals). The latter applies to all fetishes and as already mentioned in this thread - Tony Rickward has taken a step beyond his mere thoughts to putting them on paper, another step to 'go public' and publish his pictures, another step to discuss with like minded people and now possibly coort with others to help them with their fetish (a ring has / is being created). How many more steps is Tony Rickward going to take - fake enactments, real enactments? Hence peoples concern over his involvement with the school trips, but not necessarily having anything to do with Madeleine.

Another point (a bit rambly). Our society morals tells us that pedophilia is wrong, other societies don't have the same view. Its not that long ago that the age of consent was raised in the western world. All of this coupled with the 'average joe', that "...only 10 percent of molesters reported that they molested a child who was a stranger.." (plus other reports that I've read and am still reading) makes it easier for me to understand how family members, brothers, sisters, parents, grandparents, spouses and like minded acquaintances who all appear to be very normal, educated people could be involved in or accept such acts. I still think that Gasper's statement is weak (in a court of law), but that a mothers instinct is strong so I think she may be right in having cause for concern and that the pedophile avenue should be investigated. On the other side of the fence - if there is no evidence of any the Tapas 9 with regard to pedophila, trying to create or assume such tendencies purely by association doesn't bode well with me. I'm sure just through pure statistics there will be an association with a pedophile in each of our personal social, geographical, work etc groups, either direct or +1 +2.

by Daisy 11.11.13 17:04

aquila wrote:
ProfessorPPlum wrote:So what do you make of this?

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You certainly lit the blue touch paper and stood well back with that one PPP. It doesn't do much for the forum's credibility either.

That's what I thought too.

PPP You asked the question but then didn't give an answer yourself. So what do you make of it? What was the purpose of posting that link?

by Smokeandmirrors 11.11.13 17:10

Even of Tony Rickwoods quicksand fetish is immaterial to anything…..

What are the chances of his wife employing a pervert?
What are the chances of Payne being the subject of a statement from Dr's and close friends of Kate about pedophile concerns?
What are the chances of Payne bathing other peoples babies?
What are the chances of a woman working in child protection, who by chance came to assist thew McCanns, recognising DP from her work?
What are the chances of Murat admitting to having some dodgy stuff on his computer?
What are the chances of Murat having a base in Exeter, approx 1 mile from Tanner?
What are the chances of the Hubbards having a base in Norfolk 2 miles from Murats ex?
What are the chances of a correlation between Tanner and Murats DNA from the Burgau apartment?
What are the chances of Ray Wyre getting involved and then being found to have been on pedophile guest list for Elm House?
What are the chances of 3 criminal groups of detectives getting involved?
What are the chances of Eddie and Keela being completely ignored by SY?
What are the chances of Gerry McCann wanting to have gagging laws on the media?

What are the chances of all the absolute mind boggling co-incidences being of no consequence, when the father of a missing child was fixated on paedophiles within MINUTES of his daughters "alleged" disappearance?

What are the chances of ANY of this having a rational or decent explanation?

Absolutely ZERO chance.