Sunday Express - ACCEPTED VERSION OF EVENTS IS WRONG and DAILYSTAR - WHAT YOU KNOW IS NOT THE TRUTH

mouse wrote:Negative responses to this programme so far on Digi Spy - most fed up, and that's before the programme has aired.

ShuBob wrote:The CPS where reportedly in Portugal some months ago. What where they doing there?

MRNOODLES wrote:

gbwales wrote:

plebgate wrote:Mr. says he saw all his children asleep in their beds at 9.10pm, so what difference does it make as to what any male stranger was doing before that time?

That's exactly my thought too.

To try and establish an exact time MM was seen by an independent witness?  IMO this stranger is not a suspect but an appeal for a helpful witness.

wjk wrote:

MRNOODLES wrote:

gbwales wrote:

plebgate wrote:Mr. says he saw all his children asleep in their beds at 9.10pm, so what difference does it make as to what any male stranger was doing before that time?

That's exactly my thought too.

To try and establish an exact time MM was seen by an independent witness?  IMO this stranger is not a suspect but an appeal for a helpful witness.

My thoughts too.
Who saw Madeleine after the night of the 1st? After Mrs Fenn heard the crying and the day of the Tennis photo?

oakeso wrote:KM gave up her job to look for Madeleine and has spent 6 odd years trawling through the files not to mention £3M odd on the "search". I'll be interested to learn how she missed the "flaw" in the timeline particularly when writing the book she seemed to accurately reflect it. Lucky SY were sharp enough to spot it shelling out even more taxpayer's cash, can't wait to see how it'll be spun especially considering as already mentioned the PJ's were only too anxious to do same reconstruction 5 years earlier and they all refused to take part.

Nina wrote:

oakeso wrote:KM gave up her job to look for Madeleine and has spent 6 odd years trawling through the files not to mention £3M odd on the "search". I'll be interested to learn how she missed the "flaw" in the timeline particularly when writing the book she seemed to accurately reflect it. Lucky SY were sharp enough to spot it shelling out even more taxpayer's cash, can't wait to see how it'll be spun especially considering as already mentioned the PJ's were only too anxious to do same reconstruction 5 years earlier and they all refused to take part.

Hello oakeso, good early post   So Kate spent all this time searching the internet and writing her book and didn't notice the timelines were incorrect and the last photo had actually been misquoted? And, didn't the McCanns pay a large sum of money to have their own interpreters translate the files? So one would assume if the first lot were incorect according to AR then their own interpretations must be different, ie correct. But never a mention, never front page headlines 'The police files are mis translated'
In all honesty this last 24 hours has really knocked me off my perch, and I am so disturbed by it all, and feel impotent.

I'm not buying wrote:What if the significantly changed timeline is because Jane Tanner's sighting of 'the abductor' is wrong?

We've seen from the short clip that the Crimewatch reconstruction has altered how the child was carried from the version given by Jane. Perhaps her timing of that sighting (as well as the way the child was carried) given that neither Gerry nor Jez saw or heard her, has been called into question.

Jane's version has both given the McCanns 'proof' that Madeleine was abducted and, as many posters have pointed out, also caused the whole abduction scenario to be squeezed into an almost impossible timeframe. If Jane were to have been mistaken (and I'm sure her error and everyone else's belief in her, can be spun in some ways) and she actually saw her abductor when she went to her apartment to relieve Rob after his heroic sick child tending efforts, then the window of opportunity for the abduction is significantly enlarged. Of course she may have made the whole thing up.

That Jane said that Gerry was talking to Jez after checking the children has always jarred with me. How could she know this? It indicates to me that her account may not be the entire truth. But then, how did she know that Gerry and Jez met if she didn't see them? Maybe SY have picked up on this. Maybe Gerry has admitted that he didn't check the children at all at 9.05, but lied about it. The proud father moment had a hollow ring about it to me. 

That Jane was wrong and that Gerry didn't check at 9.05 could explain the expanded timeline: 8.30 - 10.00
By the way, I'm not buying that MO checked inside 5a at 9.30 either.

If this is the case, the abduction theory now rests on the Smiths' sightings. And that could open up a whole new can of worms.

Nina wrote:

oakeso wrote:KM gave up her job to look for Madeleine and has spent 6 odd years trawling through the files not to mention £3M odd on the "search". I'll be interested to learn how she missed the "flaw" in the timeline particularly when writing the book she seemed to accurately reflect it. Lucky SY were sharp enough to spot it shelling out even more taxpayer's cash, can't wait to see how it'll be spun especially considering as already mentioned the PJ's were only too anxious to do same reconstruction 5 years earlier and they all refused to take part.

Hello oakeso, good early post   So Kate spent all this time searching the internet and writing her book and didn't notice the timelines were incorrect and the last photo had actually been misquoted? And, didn't the McCanns pay a large sum of money to have their own interpreters translate the files? So one would assume if the first lot were incorect according to AR then their own interpretations must be different, ie correct. But never a mention, never front page headlines 'The police files are mis translated'
In all honesty this last 24 hours has really knocked me off my perch, and I am so disturbed by it all, and feel impotent.

Portia wrote:What a ridiculous suggestion, that on the Continent German sounds like Dutch and vice versa!

They don't. Anyone on the Continent will confirm that.

Actually, Norwegian, Swedish, Danish, Flemish, South African, Surinamese, as fellow Germanic Languages, might also be included in the search for these two Unknown 'Germans'. They -to UK ears, but never to Continental ones- also sound more or less like Dutch, or German. Or equally: not. 

Why isn't Crimewatch to be aired in all those countries then?

ShuBob wrote:

Portia wrote:What a ridiculous suggestion, that on the Continent German sounds like Dutch and vice versa!

They don't. Anyone on the Continent will confirm that.

Actually, Norwegian, Swedish, Danish, Flemish, South African, Surinamese, as fellow Germanic Languages, might also be included in the search for these two Unknown 'Germans'. They -to UK ears, but never to Continental ones- also sound more or less like Dutch, or German. Or equally: not. 

Why isn't Crimewatch to be aired in all those countries then?

And of course there are no Dutch and/or German nationals LIVING in Portugal or anywhere in the world apart from their own countries. Perish the thought!

cass7 wrote:talking of mcanns and tapas changing statements - wonder where this leaves rm too - if they are talking earlier than the 3rd of may

Portia wrote:

ShuBob wrote:

Portia wrote:What a ridiculous suggestion, that on the Continent German sounds like Dutch and vice versa!

They don't. Anyone on the Continent will confirm that.

Actually, Norwegian, Swedish, Danish, Flemish, South African, Surinamese, as fellow Germanic Languages, might also be included in the search for these two Unknown 'Germans'. They -to UK ears, but never to Continental ones- also sound more or less like Dutch, or German. Or equally: not. 

Why isn't Crimewatch to be aired in all those countries then?

And of course there are no Dutch and/or German nationals LIVING in Portugal or anywhere in the world apart from their own countries. Perish the thought!

susible wrote:I'm thinking that SY have very specific witnesses in mind, and these are possibly Dutch and German nationals and perhaps showing the tennis court scenario is aimed at jogging those people's memories of the events that actually took place, rather than the McFairy tale that has been shoved down everyone's throats for 6 years, with the result that these witnesses have never previously come forward because their recollection of events has never matched the official story and perhaps they felt they could not contribute anything useful...they might be able to now though.

ShuBob wrote:

Portia wrote:

ShuBob wrote:

Portia wrote:What a ridiculous suggestion, that on the Continent German sounds like Dutch and vice versa!

They don't. Anyone on the Continent will confirm that.

Actually, Norwegian, Swedish, Danish, Flemish, South African, Surinamese, as fellow Germanic Languages, might also be included in the search for these two Unknown 'Germans'. They -to UK ears, but never to Continental ones- also sound more or less like Dutch, or German. Or equally: not. 

Why isn't Crimewatch to be aired in all those countries then?

And of course there are no Dutch and/or German nationals LIVING in Portugal or anywhere in the world apart from their own countries. Perish the thought!

I am in a agreement with you regarding the ridiculousness of having appeals in just Holland and Germany re the alleged two new suspects.

ShuBob wrote:

susible wrote:I'm thinking that SY have very specific witnesses in mind, and these are possibly Dutch and German nationals and perhaps showing the tennis court scenario is aimed at jogging those people's memories of the events that actually took place, rather than the McFairy tale that has been shoved down everyone's throats for 6 years, with the result that these witnesses have never previously come forward because their recollection of events has never matched the official story and perhaps they felt they could not contribute anything useful...they might be able to now though.

That's my thinking. Otherwise, it makes no sense that they've made no appeal in Portugal.