Are we conspiracy theorists?

Hicks wrote:Well I don't know about being a conspiracy theorist. I have had three children so I know when big porkies are being told!
I only need to watch the McCann's body language during an interview to know that something doesn't quite add up.

Hicks wrote:iamfreecanigo, I could easily believe that M was abducted by a couple known to the McCann's, there is so much that points to this, however the dogs are the stumbling block. Are these dogs really 100%reliable? Thinking of Tia Sharp, the dogs used in that case did not detect the smell of death. Would it possible that the McCann's did actually transfer the scent of death somehow from the UK? 

It is those strange actions that makes me wonder whether they do know exactly where M is and who she might be with, like the ...'they've taken her'......F******g  b******ds have taken her.......GM laughing on the balcony a few days after the event ......not searching for her.....telling Yvonne Martin that 'a couple had taken M'... those mysterious deleted phone calls......Swansea and so on.

Woofer wrote:

Hicks wrote:iamfreecanigo, I could easily believe that M was abducted by a couple known to the McCann's, there is so much that points to this, however the dogs are the stumbling block. Are these dogs really 100%reliable? Thinking of Tia Sharp, the dogs used in that case did not detect the smell of death. Would it possible that the McCann's did actually transfer the scent of death somehow from the UK? 

It is those strange actions that makes me wonder whether they do know exactly where M is and who she might be with, like the ...'they've taken her'......F******g  b******ds have taken her.......GM laughing on the balcony a few days after the event ......not searching for her.....telling Yvonne Martin that 'a couple had taken M'... those mysterious deleted phone calls......Swansea and so on.

I believe they did Hicks. 

" The first ‘brief examination’ of the house was undertaken by local officers on August 3, the day Tia was reported missing.

The second, a more thorough check, was carried out the next day by two sergeants and two PCs.

Among them was Sgt Keith Lyons who told the jury that Hazell helped him, providing a chair and telling him - chillingly - that he ‘always’ used it to access the loft.

Sgt Lyons spent five minutes searching with his torch in the unlit loft.

He said: ‘My legs were dangling down. ‘I know I’m clumsy and I was concerned I was going to go through the roof.

‘I was surprised how clear it was. I expected there to be much more junk.

‘I was searching for a missing girl and from what I could see the loft seemed very clear. I thought ‘she is not hiding in here.’

In the early hours of the following morning a specialist team, comprised of a sergeant and five PCs, carried out a third search.

PC Steven Jeffries, one of the officers involved, said: ‘I have never searched a loft before and I didn’t want to cause any damage.’

The officers spent 25 minutes searching, including moving black bags around that the team believed did not contain anything significant.

On a fourth search of the house on August 8 a specially trained dog also signalled towards the ceiling under the loft.
But officers decided it was not necessary to check again as it had been searched before and the animal was too big to put in the loft safely.

It took another two days, until officers noticed a stench in rooms at the top of the house, for Tia to be found.

A so-called ‘cadaver dog’, trained to detect the smell of decomposition, indicated that it was coming from the loft.

This time, after removing an overfilled bin bag, officers found Tia wrapped in a ‘body shaped package’ within three feet of the hatch."

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galena wrote:IMO people who are just trying to solve the mystery in a normal way  are armchair sleuths, people who think there is a vast government conspiracy behind it are indeed conspiracy theorists.

Ayniia wrote:

galena wrote:IMO people who are just trying to solve the mystery in a normal way  are armchair sleuths, people who think there is a vast government conspiracy behind it are indeed conspiracy theorists.

I am a conspiracy theorist and I have no problem admitting it. I firmly believe "conspiracies " way too far fetched to most people.
This case is not a conspiracy. It's an unsolved case. With too many loose ends, as GM would say, confusion is good...
Don't ever let other people's ideas cloud your own. You are free to believe whatever you feel like it!

galena wrote:

Ayniia wrote:

galena wrote:IMO people who are just trying to solve the mystery in a normal way  are armchair sleuths, people who think there is a vast government conspiracy behind it are indeed conspiracy theorists.

I am a conspiracy theorist and I have no problem admitting it. I firmly believe "conspiracies " way too far fetched to most people.
This case is not a conspiracy. It's an unsolved case. With too many loose ends, as GM would say, confusion is good...
Don't ever let other people's ideas cloud your own. You are free to believe whatever you feel like it!

Good for you!  I however will continue to define myself as an amateur sleuth!

Woofer wrote:

Hicks wrote:iamfreecanigo, I could easily believe that M was abducted by a couple known to the McCann's, there is so much that points to this, however the dogs are the stumbling block. Are these dogs really 100%reliable? Thinking of Tia Sharp, the dogs used in that case did not detect the smell of death. Would it possible that the McCann's did actually transfer the scent of death somehow from the UK? 

It is those strange actions that makes me wonder whether they do know exactly where M is and who she might be with, like the ...'they've taken her'......F******g  b******ds have taken her.......GM laughing on the balcony a few days after the event ......not searching for her.....telling Yvonne Martin that 'a couple had taken M'... those mysterious deleted phone calls......Swansea and so on.

I believe they did Hicks. 

" The first ‘brief examination’ of the house was undertaken by local officers on August 3, the day Tia was reported missing.

The second, a more thorough check, was carried out the next day by two sergeants and two PCs.

Among them was Sgt Keith Lyons who told the jury that Hazell helped him, providing a chair and telling him - chillingly - that he ‘always’ used it to access the loft.

Sgt Lyons spent five minutes searching with his torch in the unlit loft.

He said: ‘My legs were dangling down. ‘I know I’m clumsy and I was concerned I was going to go through the roof.

‘I was surprised how clear it was. I expected there to be much more junk.

‘I was searching for a missing girl and from what I could see the loft seemed very clear. I thought ‘she is not hiding in here.’

In the early hours of the following morning a specialist team, comprised of a sergeant and five PCs, carried out a third search.

PC Steven Jeffries, one of the officers involved, said: ‘I have never searched a loft before and I didn’t want to cause any damage.’

The officers spent 25 minutes searching, including moving black bags around that the team believed did not contain anything significant.

On a fourth search of the house on August 8 a specially trained dog also signalled towards the ceiling under the loft.
But officers decided it was not necessary to check again as it had been searched before and the animal was too big to put in the loft safely.

It took another two days, until officers noticed a stench in rooms at the top of the house, for Tia to be found.

A so-called ‘cadaver dog’, trained to detect the smell of decomposition, indicated that it was coming from the loft.

This time, after removing an overfilled bin bag, officers found Tia wrapped in a ‘body shaped package’ within three feet of the hatch."

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iamfreecanigo wrote:

Hicks wrote:Well I don't know about being a conspiracy theorist. I have had three children so I know when big porkies are being told!
I only need to watch the McCann's body language during an interview to know that something doesn't quite add up.

Yea, I always thought used a lets try and look sad face and voice, but it just does not seem true. Gerry seems quite passive aggressive.

Saying that, I find it hard to work out how they could have disposed of the body,espically if we talk about it, using the hire car, too much media coverage at that time, to move a body.

iamfreecanigo wrote:Hi everyone, hope this is the correct forum, I had been following the McCann case from the days of the daily mirror forum. By the time it had grown to the 3a forum, I was convinced the McCanns were guilty and the way the press was protecting them really made me angry, as a result I took a step back and put the case out of my mind for a few years.

I see now the case is back in the press, so I got reading all about the case again, and again in frustrated, it feels like being against the McCanns is just a way to torture yourself, it seems so evident to me that when people don't agree they did anything I get frustrated. The reality is they probably wont ever go to jail over it, jeez the british tabloids are scared to say a bad word against them. However it got me thinking, when I look at other conspiracy theorists, they always seem so sure of the evidence, they always see others who disagree as sheep and believing what the press tells them. I'm starting to worry im doing that in this case, I mean it can't be as obvious as it seems right?

To test this I went onto the Randi forums and posted in the thread about it, before I started I was told to give evidence, so I did I gave evidence from the case files, but their responses were so petty, no evidence was presented to deny anything, just excuses.

The cadaver odour
ugh, dogs can produce false positives
they only produce false positives on the mccanns stuff?
Even if they found a cadaver, not proof its maddies
So the mccanns just happened to get the dead persons apartment and hire car
the dogs are not evidence because it didn't lead to anything, its just a coincidence.

Every bit of evidence was put down as a conincidence, or you don't know how you would react in that situation. Eventually I got banned, but I realised there really is zero evidence for an abduction, none, but then I get frustrated again, I really want to see these two get brought to justice, at the very least for neglect.

galena wrote:

Ayniia wrote:

galena wrote:IMO people who are just trying to solve the mystery in a normal way  are armchair sleuths, people who think there is a vast government conspiracy behind it are indeed conspiracy theorists.

I am a conspiracy theorist and I have no problem admitting it. I firmly believe "conspiracies " way too far fetched to most people.
This case is not a conspiracy. It's an unsolved case. With too many loose ends, as GM would say, confusion is good...
Don't ever let other people's ideas cloud your own. You are free to believe whatever you feel like it!

Good for you!  I however will continue to define myself as an amateur sleuth!