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Post by rainbow-fairy on 09.06.12 12:19

I thought it might be interesting, after five years of being labelled 'conspiracy theory nutjobs', to study the way the Pro's ignore their own 'conspiracies'



To kick off, we have GA, the GNR and PJ all agreeing there were no signs of break in (but Kate and Gerry said so) obviously conspiracy

GA 'couldnt be bothered to find 'the real culprit' so decided to pin it on Kate McCann

The Portuguese all conspired to lie by stating all the searching they did that evening when K+G claim they did NOTHING!!!

Martin Grime conspired to make Eddie and Keela alert OR cadaverine was planted (they can't seem to decide on this one)

They tried to bribe Kate McCann into confessing



US CONSPIRACY NUT JOBS? They lie, abuse, and defend (at the least) negligent parents...



Can anyone else think of any other (and there are many I'm sure) conspiracies?

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Post by Snifferdog on 09.06.12 15:17

@rainbow-fairy wrote:I thought it might be interesting, after five years of being labelled 'conspiracy theory nutjobs', to study the way the Pro's ignore their own 'conspiracies'



To kick off, we have GA, the GNR and PJ all agreeing there were no signs of break in (but Kate and Gerry said so) obviously conspiracy

GA 'couldnt be bothered to find 'the real culprit' so decided to pin it on Kate McCann

The Portuguese all conspired to lie by stating all the searching they did that evening when K+G claim they did NOTHING!!!

Martin Grime conspired to make Eddie and Keela alert OR cadaverine was planted (they can't seem to decide on this one)

They tried to bribe Kate McCann into confessing



US CONSPIRACY NUT JOBS? They lie, abuse, and defend (at the least) negligent parents...



Can anyone else think of any other (and there are many I'm sure) conspiracies?
Another one: Someone Conspired to "abduct" their child...?

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Post by Guest on 09.06.12 17:50

Danny Collins in his book also dismissed the idea of a break in.

I know his book wasn't well received because his publisher made a "substantial donation" to the fund and 15% of the royalties were donated to the fund but it remains the only book ever published in the UK about the case (I think), and in it he states categorically that the parents made up the story about the shutters and he also says Oldfield lied in his statements.

He says these were "naive digressions... seemingly told for the most innocent of reasons" and is unwilling to believe a group of doctors could ever possibly be involved in anything more serious than that (not alone in that religion is he) but he does rule out abduction from inside the apartment. He thinks (or says he thinks) Madeleine walked through the patio doors, down the steps and was abducted from somewhere in the village. I think we know there is a far more likely explanation than that.

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Post by rainbow-fairy on 09.06.12 19:58

tcat wrote:Danny Collins in his book also dismissed the idea of a break in.

I know his book wasn't well received because his publisher made a "substantial donation" to the fund and 15% of the royalties were donated to the fund but it remains the only book ever published in the UK about the case (I think), and in it he states categorically that the parents made up the story about the shutters and he also says Oldfield lied in his statements.

He says these were "naive digressions... seemingly told for the most innocent of reasons" and is unwilling to believe a group of doctors could ever possibly be involved in anything more serious than that (not alone in that religion is he) but he does rule out abduction from inside the apartment. He thinks (or says he thinks) Madeleine walked through the patio doors, down the steps and was abducted from somewhere in the village. I think we know there is a far more likely explanation than that.
I rather think Eddie and Keela's alerts rule that one out Sad

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Post by tigger on 09.06.12 20:11

Circumstances conspired against them!

They were unlucky to get the apartment most vulnerable to abductors/burglars (even though they'd been warned there were burglars active and mrs. Fenn herself had surprised one in her apartment some weeks earlier).

They were unlucky that there wasn't the hugely, totally safe method of 'listening' by MW employees and had to construct a system of their own.

They were hugely unlucky that there was a 'window of opportunity' of less than 5 minutes for the abduction which was used by the kidnappers.

They were unlucky that these particular kidnappers were so capable and cunning as to do a dry run the evening before.

They were unlucky that these same criminals were so forensically aware and so adept at deleting all trace of their presence and indeed, removed all trace of Maddie's presence as well in the few minutes they spent in 5a.

They were unlucky to be in a country where the police does nothing but munch sardines and drink wine. A country without helicopters or a navy!

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Post by ShuBob on 09.06.12 20:25

I also found Danny Collins' book interesting for the reasons highlighted above by tcat. It's worth noting the book was published BEFORE the official investigation files were released and even then, he called them out as liars even though he tried to make excuses for reasons why they lied.

I think he played a blinder by announcing he was donating a percentage of royalties to the fund. Otherwise, he may have found himself on the McCanns' hit-list of people to C-R.

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Post by pauline on 09.06.12 20:59

@tigger wrote:Circumstances conspired against them!

They were unlucky to get the apartment most vulnerable to abductors/burglars (even though they'd been warned there were burglars active and mrs. Fenn herself had surprised one in her apartment some weeks earlier).

They were unlucky that there wasn't the hugely, totally safe method of 'listening' by MW employees and had to construct a system of their own.

They were hugely unlucky that there was a 'window of opportunity' of less than 5 minutes for the abduction which was used by the kidnappers.

They were unlucky that these particular kidnappers were so capable and cunning as to do a dry run the evening before.

They were unlucky that these same criminals were so forensically aware and so adept at deleting all trace of their presence and indeed, removed all trace of Maddie's presence as well in the few minutes they spent in 5a.

They were unlucky to be in a country where the police does nothing but munch sardines and drink wine. A country without helicopters or a navy!

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They were unlucky they could not use the free evening creche as the Mccann children are in bed and asleep before the creche opens at 7.30 pm

they were unlucky, that given the free creche could not be use due to the sad circumstances outlined above, that they could not afford the fee of £10 ph for a nanny to sit in the apartment. After all they are only doctors on NHS pay.

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Post by Gillyspot on 09.06.12 21:28

Kate (through Philomena) accused PJ of making her a bargain if she confessed despite this being illegal in Portugal - I do note she changes this in her bewk.

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Post by Guest on 10.06.12 0:11

@ShuBob wrote:I also found Danny Collins' book interesting for the reasons highlighted above by tcat. It's worth noting the book was published BEFORE the official investigation files were released and even then, he called them out as liars even though he tried to make excuses for reasons why they lied.

I think he played a blinder by announcing he was donating a percentage of royalties to the fund. Otherwise, he may have found himself on the McCanns' hit-list of people to C-R.
He's still saying they fabricated the abduction theory. I just listened to an interview Collins did in April this year on the Joan Lea show and he's not changed his belief there was no abduction from inside the apartment at all.

I think I detected more cynicism about the McCanns at the end of his interview than he put in his book in 2008, but Collins doesn't put any extra suspicions he might have now into words (apart from a brief mention of their media campaign). He just invites people to compare what's in his book to what Kate put in hers.

I don't understand how Collins can recognise the McCanns lied about the apartment being broken into but readily accept their assertion the poolside patio doors were left unlocked. They lied about the shutters so could have just as easily lied about the other doors being open, and if they did then there is only one conclusion that can be made about Madeleine's fate that day. But that's a step too far for Collins, he can't bring himself to believe a group of doctors could have told more than just one lie. Maybe he will take that step one day - he's obviously still very interested in finding out what really happened to Madeleine. I think he reveals in the interview he's not a big fan of Kate's book (who could be).

It's strange that there haven't been more books written about the case isn't it? Or published I mean. Probably books have been written but as yet no UK publisher has been brave enough? I think there will be lots of them revealing more and more of the truth one day I hope I'm not being stupidly optimistic!

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Post by tigger on 10.06.12 8:52

@pauline wrote:
@tigger wrote:Circumstances conspired against them!

They were unlucky to get the apartment most vulnerable to abductors/burglars (even though they'd been warned there were burglars active and mrs. Fenn herself had surprised one in her apartment some weeks earlier).

They were unlucky that there wasn't the hugely, totally safe method of 'listening' by MW employees and had to construct a system of their own.

They were hugely unlucky that there was a 'window of opportunity' of less than 5 minutes for the abduction which was used by the kidnappers.

They were unlucky that these particular kidnappers were so capable and cunning as to do a dry run the evening before.

They were unlucky that these same criminals were so forensically aware and so adept at deleting all trace of their presence and indeed, removed all trace of Maddie's presence as well in the few minutes they spent in 5a.

They were unlucky to be in a country where the police does nothing but munch sardines and drink wine. A country without helicopters or a navy!

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They were unlucky they could not use the free evening creche as the Mccann children are in bed and asleep before the creche opens at 7.30 pm

they were unlucky, that given the free creche could not be use due to the sad circumstances outlined above, that they could not afford the fee of £10 ph for a nanny to sit in the apartment. After all they are only doctors on NHS pay.

They were unlucky, time after time, in hiring the most incompetent detectives on the planet - most of them without a track record of finding missing persons.
Unlucky ??? times in a row.

Kate was unlucky because she was so beautiful, if only she'd been a few stones heavier with big breasts, people would have emphatised more....

Both were unlucky because they were led to believe that OC was a totally safe place to leave children alone - this naivity was their undoing. Possibly this safety aspect was outlined in the brochure.... the one place on earth where you can leave your children alone with easy access for any passing stranger?

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Post by One on 10.06.12 9:42

The nasty Portuguese journalists published leaked stories leading the public to believe things that weren't true

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Post by aiyoyo on 10.06.12 10:32

But the dogs barked the truth and that has nothing to do with the Portuguese tabloid.
On re-watching Sandra's interview I take my hat off to her. She has an uncanny knack of hitting the nerves with Gerry, and he looked completely pissed of ready to explode or wring someone's neck if he could get away with it.

I still cannot get over the lie he told on TV that bringing in the dogs was his idea, but he's banking on his audience not knowing any differently from what he said since majority of the public had no idea about the released police files.

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Post by Nina on 10.06.12 10:52

Snip from Aiyoyo's post, quote,


I still cannot get over the lie he told on TV that bringing in the dogs was his idea, but he's banking on his audience not knowing any differently from what he said since majority of the public had no idea about the released police files.

I cannot get over all the lies that he and his wife have told on TV, they are both banking on their audience knowing differently. The majority of the public still have not read the released police files, though imo more have now, or at least know of their existence through contact with people who have read them. Our daughter is without a computer she only knows what I tell her and there will be many like her. She discusses the case sometimes with her friends and work colleagues who are also without access to the Internet. So word of mouth, as now the media is gagged, is there any other way we can make people aware?




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Post by Gillyspot on 10.06.12 15:13

That is a hard one Nina. The internet is where we can share information easily. - If we all (I have done so already) contact family & friends to discuss the case (BTW NONE believe K & G) that is a start. Otherwise it is back to internet. Twitter I find is a great resource for getting the word out. I was called a "master manipulator" last night by Nigel - I called him owned! LOL.

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Post by rainbow-fairy on 10.06.12 15:35

@Nina wrote:Snip from Aiyoyo's post, quote,


I still cannot get over the lie he told on TV that bringing in the dogs was his idea, but he's banking on his audience not knowing any differently from what he said since majority of the public had no idea about the released police files.

I cannot get over all the lies that he and his wife have told on TV, they are both banking on their audience knowing differently. The majority of the public still have not read the released police files, though imo more have now, or at least know of their existence through contact with people who have read them. Our daughter is without a computer she only knows what I tell her and there will be many like her. She discusses the case sometimes with her friends and work colleagues who are also without access to the Internet. So word of mouth, as now the media is gagged, is there any other way we can make people aware?



Nina, every chance I get I take. Post on my Fb status, tweets, I'm not even below muttering loudly in shops within earshot of other shoppers near an article/book. They may think I'm mad, or they may look closer. A few people thinking I'm mad wld be small change if it got justice for Maddie.
ETA: Leaflets: Sharonl was sending out leaflets for distribution, which I have done. My mum has pinned one on her workplace pinboard.
There's lots we can do! Most people now realise the 'media' are corrupt anyway Wink

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Post by Nina on 10.06.12 15:42

@Gillyspot wrote:That is a hard one Nina. The internet is where we can share information easily. - If we all (I have done so already) contact family & friends to discuss the case (BTW NONE believe K & G) that is a start. Otherwise it is back to internet. Twitter I find is a great resource for getting the word out. I was called a "master manipulator" last night by Nigel - I called him owned! LOL.
I think a lot of the general public who have nothing but the newspapers and TV for information are just sick of the publicity and fawning over child neglectors, child neglectors by their own admission, but tempered with it being only for half hour slots, winkwink . And imo they have to take this damage limitation admission for the abduction to have been possible.
I cannot do twitter, try as I may I just cannot do it, but agree it is a good way of making information known. Can you give links on it to aspects from the police files? Again though it is people with the Internet, it is the people who have not who will never read the truth, until the fan then there will be a field day.

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Post by rainbow-fairy on 10.06.12 15:46

Gillyspot, what is Nigel's twitter handle? I came in for two lots of abuse last night/night before by various nutters!

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Post by Nina on 10.06.12 15:51

@rainbow-fairy wrote:
@Nina wrote:Snip from Aiyoyo's post, quote,


I still cannot get over the lie he told on TV that bringing in the dogs was his idea, but he's banking on his audience not knowing any differently from what he said since majority of the public had no idea about the released police files.

I cannot get over all the lies that he and his wife have told on TV, they are both banking on their audience knowing differently. The majority of the public still have not read the released police files, though imo more have now, or at least know of their existence through contact with people who have read them. Our daughter is without a computer she only knows what I tell her and there will be many like her. She discusses the case sometimes with her friends and work colleagues who are also without access to the Internet. So word of mouth, as now the media is gagged, is there any other way we can make people aware?



Nina, every chance I get I take. Post on my Fb status, tweets, I'm not even below muttering loudly in shops within earshot of other shoppers near an article/book. They may think I'm mad, or they may look closer. A few people thinking I'm mad wld be small change if it got justice for Maddie.
ETA: Leaflets: Sharonl was sending out leaflets for distribution, which I have done. My mum has pinned one on her workplace pinboard.
There's lots we can do! Most people now realise the 'media' are corrupt anyway Wink

Strange you should mention muttering. Our daughter flew from East Midlands Airport the other day to visit us, and Kate's book was on sale in a bookshop there. She stood and had a read, and as she speed reads she went through a lot in a few minutes, then said very loudly 'I thought this was supposed to be about Madeleine, instead of me me me garbage'. An elderly couple nearby answered her and I will not write what they said as it is libelous.
What are the leaflets you mention can we print our own off from a template as there are many places I could place a few for reading, also are they in other languages?

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Post by rainbow-fairy on 10.06.12 16:34

@Nina wrote:
@rainbow-fairy wrote:
@Nina wrote:Snip from Aiyoyo's post, quote,


I still cannot get over the lie he told on TV that bringing in the dogs was his idea, but he's banking on his audience not knowing any differently from what he said since majority of the public had no idea about the released police files.

I cannot get over all the lies that he and his wife have told on TV, they are both banking on their audience knowing differently. The majority of the public still have not read the released police files, though imo more have now, or at least know of their existence through contact with people who have read them. Our daughter is without a computer she only knows what I tell her and there will be many like her. She discusses the case sometimes with her friends and work colleagues who are also without access to the Internet. So word of mouth, as now the media is gagged, is there any other way we can make people aware?



Nina, every chance I get I take. Post on my Fb status, tweets, I'm not even below muttering loudly in shops within earshot of other shoppers near an article/book. They may think I'm mad, or they may look closer. A few people thinking I'm mad wld be small change if it got justice for Maddie.
ETA: Leaflets: Sharonl was sending out leaflets for distribution, which I have done. My mum has pinned one on her workplace pinboard.
There's lots we can do! Most people now realise the 'media' are corrupt anyway Wink

Strange you should mention muttering. Our daughter flew from East Midlands Airport the other day to visit us, and Kate's book was on sale in a bookshop there. She stood and had a read, and as she speed reads she went through a lot in a few minutes, then said very loudly 'I thought this was supposed to be about Madeleine, instead of me me me garbage'. An elderly couple nearby answered her and I will not write what they said as it is libelous.
What are the leaflets you mention can we print our own off from a template as there are many places I could place a few for reading, also are they in other languages?
That I couldn't tell u Nina, but mine were sent (VERY) promptly to me by Sharonl, you might be best to ask her? It was on a thread here 'Help Required...' Or something - maybe someone with a better system could search it out?
Re the airport couple, I REALLY don't think as many people believe the lie as K+G think. What was that straw poll again? 70% believe they were involved? And that was a while ago...

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Post by Miraflores on 10.06.12 21:01

You have to admit - how much could be written about a child of nearly 4? They get up, play, go to nursery, have an afternoon nap maybe, have a bedtime story.... and erm, that's about it.

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Post by Nina on 10.06.12 21:17

@Miraflores wrote:You have to admit - how much could be written about a child of nearly 4? They get up, play, go to nursery, have an afternoon nap maybe, have a bedtime story.... and erm, that's about it.

You are joking. Aren't you? Please tell me you are.

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Post by tigger on 10.06.12 21:57

@Nina wrote:
@Miraflores wrote:You have to admit - how much could be written about a child of nearly 4? They get up, play, go to nursery, have an afternoon nap maybe, have a bedtime story.... and erm, that's about it.

You are joking. Aren't you? Please tell me you are.

No, there's a lot more about her - brown eyes that turn green later, she was a little mother to the twins, although she really didn't have much to do with them (same source) she errm - well when I think of her it's the tennis balls, the pool picture and that's it.
Two recorded conversations with her parents in total. Both on the 3rd of May 2007 - a question about crying the previous night and 'the best day ever' at night.
O yes, the song 'If you're happy and you know it'. Milk, biscuits.

There you see! Nearly a whole paragraph added.

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Post by Guest on 10.06.12 23:12

'If you're happy and you know it'
And that's exactly what you would want your kids to do just before bedtime: get up and CLAP YOUR HANDS.
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Post by Miraflores on 10.06.12 23:25

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@Nina wrote:
@Miraflores wrote:You have to admit - how much could be written about a child of nearly 4? They get up, play, go to nursery, have an afternoon nap maybe, have a bedtime story.... and erm, that's about it.

You are joking. Aren't you? Please tell me you are.

Not really - if you are the parent/grandparent yourself well then yes, you get out the photos and drone on delight in sharing the exploits of your child/grandchild who is of course the most wonderful child that ever lived and somehow you don't notice the glazed eyes of your friends. Poor Madeleine was so special, the best she can get is, was it 10, 20? pages in a 300+ page book.

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Post by Miraflores on 10.06.12 23:31

O yes, the song 'If you're happy and you know it'. Milk, biscuits.

I think there was also 'toilet, teeth' from what I remember of the book about Kate n' Gerry Madeleine, but of course that would be a rather protracted process because all three shared the same toothbrush.

(I do wish that Kate and Gerry could see that it's guff like that which makes people doubt their story.)

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