pre-emptive remarks and stage setting
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pre-emptive remarks and stage setting
Quote from the thread '5A Forensics taken 01/05/07'
saltnpepper
Today at 7:20 pm
quote: There was an apparent clean up of 5a but hairs were found of previous occupants & few of any of the McCanns considering they were there a week/6days,always possible they stayed in another apartment...post accident but appearing in 5A for cleaners & stage setting Quote:
With saltnpepper’s post I feel this is a good time to propose a new thread: pre-emptive remarks and stage setting.
It will be complicated to assimilate the information that comes forward, but like with jd’s brilliant ‘car hire’ thread, the time is coming together now where bits of the jigsaw are taking on extra significance.
New thread: “pre-emptive remarks and stage setting”.
I had been discussing the ‘pre-emptive remarks’ thread with other posters (as a ‘stand-alone’ thread) but with saltnpeppers’ post above I now wonder where is the cut off point between something being a ‘stage setting’ and something being a ‘pre-emptive remark’.
Both are injected deliberately to cover up mistakes or to set the scene.
Pre-emptive remarks are those put in to answer a question that’s not yet been asked. They are nevertheless 'pointers' to something that is sensitive. The MM site has already run a thread on this but I’m sure we can add to it since some time has passed since it was running.
Stage setting however, is in advance of action, whilst pre-emptive remarks are an after effect, cast onto the stage to deflect a suspected or feared discovery.
It’s all smoke and mirrors to create an illusion, and what was planned in advance must be maintained at all costs.
I suppose another thread could be started ‘own goals’ and things that have ‘blighted the intended theme’, like the dogs and GA and TB.
But back to the pre-emptive remarks and stage setting one, the reason I can’t really separate them is because, in the cleaner's statement, she seemed ‘surprised’ that the McCanns were still in 5A, (long enough for her to ‘see them there’ as in saltnpepper's post) but they were then off out immediately once they had given her permission to carry on with her work.
Another red flag is the cleaner's remark that she saw the three McCann children (the bigger girl, assumed to be Maddie, with sneakers with lights on) in 5A, leaving and going ‘UPSTAIRS’ not downstairs, from the apartment.
So, anything that flags up a query in anyone’s mind will be worth noting.
If anyone has any ideas about how to collate the gathered material efficiently so that it can be cross referenced, and later easily found, then I'd be glad for any suggestions since I don't really know how I'd go about doing it effectively.
Now is a good time though to start putting some of those significant jigsaw bits together.
I’ll start it off with the easiest pre-emptive remark (non-verbatim I’m afraid - hope someone will correct me)
Clarence Mitchell’s, "there is an completely innocent explanation for anything that may or may not be found".
If anyone has any better ideas to improve this thread, can they please put them forward.

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Re: pre-emptive remarks and stage setting
pre-emptive is the McCanns middle name,to me they have suggested scenario's that there was a possibility of witnesses,examples are the drunk in the road,the tea stain,the crying incident,maybe an idea to offer explanations of each pre emptive quote?George Brooks...he stated he seen a couple scurrying down an alley 6 a.m on may 4th & in the bewk/diary Kate stated they had gone out looking for Maddie 6am but im sure everyone remembers the Jane Hill interview where Kate implied she had not searched...first 48hrs non functioning then working incredibly hard

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Just highlighting a proven lie...she searched?...she did not search?
Pre empting could be saying she had not searched as she was aware when she was out with Gerry the next morning that a driver had possibly seen them,doing what i dont know...she made herself come across cold in that intervie,maybe that is her character though

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She has stated numerous times,
that they didn't go out searching. It was dark. They waited for the
light. They did have a torch the next day, of course, to read their
sorry story from a paper to the media. And, they did go out in the early
morning, after GM managed to get some sleep [!?] and met the driver,
who saw a couple and a child in his car lights ...
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Very interesting video on the crying incident with three seperate accounts from the McCann's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbqRmhBFpQY
The
crying heard by Mrs Fenn was made to be a day later by the McCann's (old senile
lady)...Mrs Fenn heard Daddy Daddy on the tuesday night,with the McCann's claiming they never
called her Maddie,which is a proven lie,i rightly or wrongly put two
& two together
Don't think the McCanns gave up the crying incident to the investigation in their first two interviews,it was made available later after a bit of thought(Pre-empting as aware of Mrs Fenn's statement?)
From the link below it appears Kates phone was used between 10.15-10.27 with Mrs Fenn hearing crying between 10.30-11.45(in shock on the phone,then the realisation hits home?)
http://truthformadeleine.com/2008/12/more-on-the-deleted-call-records-where-was-kate-mccann/
The cleaner also noticed a cot next to the wardrobe on the wednesday,with only one bed used...Kate has told us she slept in the childrens room on the wednesday night but if this again is moving it one day forward it paints a picture...that Kate slept in the childrens room tuesday night,the cleaner only noticed one bed used & one of the cot's was next to the wardrobe,where Eddie alerted to a cadaver
No theory makes 100% sence & with the McCann's leaving the cleaner in 5A with a possible bluebag in the wardrobe,i have a major problem with...hope this makes a little sence to someone
http://thetapas9katemccann.blogspot.co.uk/2012/02/kate-mccann-cleaner-for-apartment-5a.html
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I've seen footballers wear pink and take a look at the colour of their football boots. I know we're talking about women and shoes but even an inexperienced runner knows you need good shoes. Colour is the last thing you care about.
And then there's the dog. The dogs don't like the McCann's very much, do they?
I think it's a useful paragraph for Kate, she explains new shoes, potential bruising and blood. But if she had really been attacked by a dog there would have been a chapter about it not to mention a complaint. Did she get an anti-tet and what if the dog had rabies?

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saltnpepper wrote:The crying incident...
Very interesting video on the crying incident with three seperate accounts from the McCann's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbqRmhBFpQY
The
crying heard by Mrs Fenn was made to be a day later by the McCann's (old senile
lady)...Mrs Fenn heard Daddy Daddy on the tuesday night,with the McCann's claiming they never
called her Maddie,which is a proven lie,i rightly or wrongly put two
& two together
Don't think the McCanns gave up the crying incident to the investigation in their first two interviews,it was made available later after a bit of thought(Pre-empting as aware of Mrs Fenn's statement?)
From the link below it appears Kates phone was used between 10.15-10.27 with Mrs Fenn hearing crying between 10.30-11.45(in shock on the phone,then the realisation hits home?)
http://truthformadeleine.com/2008/12/more-on-the-deleted-call-records-where-was-kate-mccann/
The cleaner also noticed a cot next to the wardrobe on the wednesday,with only one bed used...Kate has told us she slept in the childrens room on the wednesday night but if this again is moving it one day forward it paints a picture...that Kate slept in the childrens room tuesday night,the cleaner only noticed one bed used & one of the cot's was next to the wardrobe,where Eddie alerted to a cadaver
No theory makes 100% sence & with the McCann's leaving the cleaner in 5A with a possible bluebag in the wardrobe,i have a major problem with...hope this makes a little sence to someone
http://thetapas9katemccann.blogspot.co.uk/2012/02/kate-mccann-cleaner-for-apartment-5a.html
Kate in her bewk then recounts the tale of Mrs. Fenn leaning over the balcony to offer help, only Kate makes her out to be 'plummy voiced' and Kate and Fiona give her a mouthful of swear words attached to a deprecating dismissal of significance by associating her with a mere, valueless, tin of beans .
Kate is trying to diss this respectable lady, to diminish the value of her statement.
Stage setting, the version given by Kate is corrupted, pre-emptive, she wants to destroy the testimony of a respectable witness. Kate is indicating fear, the very thing she wishes on Goncalo and Tony.
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I think the whole story of Kate sleeping in the children's room on the Wednesday night because of a tiff with Gerry doesn't wash imo.
The photographs of the PJ show one bed under the window rumpled, a stage-set neat bed against the wall opposite.
Questions:
Why didn't they say that Maddie was in the rumpled bed? Was that because they were determined to have the ingress through the window and the abductor would then have stepped on Maddie?
But the PJ noted no footprints on the bed near the window and nothing to show someone had stepped on it.
Was it because the twins had been sleeping on that bed the previous night? No-one slept on the other one? Why was it so important to them that the twins allegedly slept in cots? Sean was too big for a cot by that time.
We had the last sighting of the three children on Sunday morning (if that was Maddie - due to the lack of the trainers following her disappearance I don't think it was) . On the 30th the anomalies begin - with the creche, the phone pings etc.
Sometime during the next few days one cot is moved to the main bedroom, for no reason given. Was that the night of the 1st?
The cots didn't have sheets in them when the PJ saw the twins asleep and there are pointers that the twins weren't there around 10.00 p.m. on 3/5.
So did the twins routinely sleep in one of the single beds? With the cots propped up against the bed just in case? Then no sheets in the cots would be logical.
Still, why is it so important to the 'story' that the twins were in cots?
I think they were in the bed under the window from the start. Maddie's bed was not in use as from? I think the 30th when 'something' happened, when Murat was called back from Devon etc.
So, I don't believe that Kate slept in the children's room. It was an explanation for the rumpled bed, which was important to explain in order to justify the story.
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