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Post by Tony Bennett 27.06.12 8:38

June 26, 2012 |

Bob Dowler and Gerry McCann among core participants for module 4 of the inquiry


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Lord Justice Leveson has handed down a ruling on core participants for module four of the inquiry – looking at recommendations for press reform.

In the written ruling published yesterday, the judge said he was particularly pleased to see Bob Dowler – father of murdered schoolgirl Milly Dowler – and Madeleine McCann’s father Gerry.

Earlier this month, David Cameron told the inquiry if plans for a future body did not satisfy Lord Justice Leveson, that they would not work for him either.

He added: “But the point is it doesn’t work for the Dowlers, or the McCanns. That’s the test.”

Along with the Dowler and McCann families, core participant status has been granted to phone hacking victim Mary-Ellen Field, actor Hugh Grant, former Crimewatch presenter Jacqui Hames, Dr Evan Harris, Max Mosley, Lord Prescott and lawyer Mark Thomson.

The Media Standards Trust, non-profit organisation that launched Hacked Off, was also granted core participant status, and has submitted a report with proposals for a new system of regulation to the inquiry.

Unlike the previous three modules – examining the relationship between the press and public, the press and the police and the press and politicians – proposed regulatory solutions will be placed in the public domain in advance of being discussed at the inquiry so questions and concerns can be raised.

The Press Standards Board of Finance – the body that funds the Press Complaints Commission – was also granted core participant status.

David Cameron, deputy prime minister Nick Clegg, the Lord Chancellor Ken Clarke and home secretary Theresa May will retain their CP status. Applications by George Osborne, Chancellor of the Exchequer, education secretary Michael Gove and business secretary Vince Cable have been declined.

Sir Louis Blom-Cooper Q.C., Ms Elaine Decoulos and Ms Caroline Mikuta were also refused core participant status.



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1. I have highlighted in blue some interesting choices for 'core participant' status which I think gives a very big clue to Lord Leveson's thinking.

2. So David Cameron says the current system of press regulation is 'not working' for people like the McCanns. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it the case that the Press Complaints Commission went out of its way to OFFER HELP to the McCanns, but the McCanns REFUSED THEIR OFFER OF HELP?

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This bit is interesting though..

Unlike the previous three modules – examining the relationship between the press and public, the press and the police and the press and politicians – proposed regulatory solutions will be placed in the public domain in advance of being discussed at the inquiry so questions and concerns can be raised.
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Post by Liz Eagles 27.06.12 9:47

Can someone tell me which of these people were NOT victims of phone hacking? I'm a bit confused.
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Post by tigger 27.06.12 9:58

aquila wrote:Can someone tell me which of these people were NOT victims of phone hacking? I'm a bit confused.

Looking at the list of the other participants - what a shower. Hugh Grant who has courted publicity whenever it suited him and complained bitterly when it didn't, Prescott - enough said - only the Dowlers give some respectability to the whole thing. But in their case it was the police who had deleted calls from the mobile, not the press?
All hail the McCanns and company!

As Ian Hislop pointed out, there are perfectly good laws for this sort of thing in place already, they only need to be implemented, new laws are absolutely not necessary. It follows then that this whole enquiry could have been avoided by simply implementing the law as it stands. If new legislation would be required, surely that is what parliament is for?
Why this ridiculous pity-fest for pseudo celebrities? Total waste of money.

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Post by Tony Bennett 27.06.12 10:09

tigger wrote:Looking at the list of the other participants - what a shower. Hugh Grant who has courted publicity whenever it suited him and complained bitterly when it didn't, Prescott - enough said - only the Dowlers give some respectability to the whole thing...
The murder of Millie Dowler was an unspeakable act, and her parents deserve every sympathy, but whilst I agree, tigger, that Bob Dowler's presence gives 'some respectability to the whole thing', even that must be somewhat tempered.

By that, I mean some of the details that came out at the trial of Levi Bellfield; these for example from the Daily Mail's account of the trial:

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Milly Dowler’s father became prime suspect in the murdered schoolgirl’s disappearance after police found ‘extreme’ porn and bondage gear at the family home, it was revealed yesterday.

Bob Dowler feared she may have run away or killed herself after discovering his secret – and lied to detectives about what he was doing that day.

The distraction ‘wasted valuable time’ in the search for the missing 13-year-old and hindered the police investigation, a court heard.


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Regrets: Milly Dowler's father Bob leaves the Old Bailey yesterday after he gave evidence to the trial - where he revealed he was prime suspect after pornography was found


It meant the focus was on him instead of the man now accused of her murder – convicted serial killer Levi Bellfield.

Mr Dowler’s extraordinary admission about his fetish, and the impact it must have had on Milly when she discovered a magazine in his bedroom, came as the 59-year-old former IT recruitment specialist was cross-examined at the Old Bailey.

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Smiles: Milly with her father. She was understood to have been upset after finding an adult magazine and even wrote a tormented letter which made reference to 'the whole Dad thing'

There were further startling revelations. Jurors heard how Milly had left a tormented farewell letter in her bedroom after apparently deciding to take her own life.

She addressed it to her parents and signed herself ‘your little disappointment’, telling them it would have been better if they had aborted her or had her adopted.

The schoolgirl also penned a bitter and self-loathing poem in which she claimed everyone hated her.

And she wrote a note to a friend in which she referred to ‘the whole dad thing’ – a reference, it was suggested yesterday, to the ‘distressing’ discovery that her father was into bondage and pornography.

Yesterday Mr Dowler broke down in tears as the poignant notes were read to the court.

Bellfield, 43, who denies kidnap and murder, watched silently from the dock as Milly’s father was forced to admit that a search of the family’s Surrey home uncovered porn magazines and videos in various rooms and a box of bondage equipment in the attic. Among the items recovered were a rubber hood, a ball-gag and magazines.

Mr Dowler later confirmed that his wife of 17 years, Sally, a teacher at Milly’s school, had ‘absolutely no idea’ about it – and how he was forced to confess to her after warning police what they would find in the house.

The clearly painful public admissions about his private life were made after he relived the events of March 21, 2002, the day his daughter disappeared.

He had hugged and kissed her goodbye as she set off for school – and never saw her again.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1387644/Milly-Dowlers-message-father-Bob-breaks-court-porn-stash.html#ixzz1yyzRbwdo


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It means that two sado-masochism enthusiasts - Max Mosley and Bob Dowler - will be helping to shape the future of British press regulation.

Along with the McCanns and Hugh Grant.

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What an appalling state of affairs!
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Post by uppatoffee 27.06.12 11:27

I think that the evidence given about Bob Dowler's inclinations during the trial of Levi Bellfield were a disgrace. What a grown man chooses to do in his own time is up to him. It does not harm anyone. The poor family have already had their lives shattered, was this really necessary? I think this experience makes him an even more valid candidate for CP status. I am sure there are more than a few daily fail "journalists" who have details about their private lives that they would rather remain hidden. Shame on them for printing all these gory details.
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Post by ShuBob 27.06.12 11:32

uppatoffee wrote:I think that the evidence given about Bob Dowler's inclinations during the trial of Levi Bellfield were a disgrace. What a grown man chooses to do in his own time is up to him. It does not harm anyone. The poor family have already had their lives shattered, was this really necessary? I think this experience makes him an even more valid candidate for CP status. I am sure there are more than a few daily fail "journalists" who have details about their private lives that they would rather remain hidden. Shame on them for printing all these gory details.

But it had relevance to the case! He himself thought Milly's disappearance may have resulted from his "inclinations" as you put it and he lied to the police making himself a suspect in the process. I personally think it was important the details came out however unsavoury. By lying, he took the investigation off tangent. Isn't that what people criticise the McCanns for on a daily basis?
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Post by uppatoffee 27.06.12 11:43

You are right, it was a waste of police time. I just didn't feel it was necessary for the paper to splash it all over their pages. I think the family were having enough problems coming to terms with the loss of their daughter without needing all this unwanted attention. This only came out during the trial, so didnt need to be printed as Bellfield was found guilty. Dowler was found not to be involved much earlier in the investigation. Just my feelings though!
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Post by ShuBob 27.06.12 11:54

I respect your opinion uppatoffee but just as I would expect the full details of any open court case to be published in the papers for context, I agree with the papers for publishing the things about the Dowlers. I've complained enough times about how the British press selectively publish details about court cases involving the McCanns and missing out pertinent points. There may have been others (perhaps, the police?) who would have felt equally incensed had the same not been done in the Dowler case. The rules should be the same for all whether we like them or not.
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Post by uppatoffee 27.06.12 12:04

I take your point! I am sure the police were incredibly frustrated at the time by Dowler lying.

I think my problem is with the gleeful way in which the papers seem drag up all sort of muck on people. It makes me even more curious to find out why there has been so little coverage of the Gaspar incident. You'd think this was right up the Mail's street. Presumably there is no injunction on this being printed?
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Not sure what the point of your 10.09am post is Mr Bennett. I don't think it has any relevance scratchhead
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Post by Tony Bennett 27.06.12 12:27

uppatoffee wrote:You are right, it was a waste of police time. I just didn't feel it was necessary for the paper to splash it all over their pages. I think the family were having enough problems coming to terms with the loss of their daughter without needing all this unwanted attention. This only came out during the trial, so didnt need to be printed as Bellfield was found guilty. Dowler was found not to be involved much earlier in the investigation. Just my feelings though!
I wonder of there is a common element here - and whether the Dowlers are in fact being used by Leveson and the establishment in an effort to increase - perhaps dramatically - control over our press and media.

Let's put it this way: for centuries the wealthy and powerful in this land have very often been able to cover up their crimes and other things they wouldn't want people to know about. They have done this by a substantial degree of control over the media; hence Clarence Mitchell's slip when he admitted (L'Espresso, 27 Setoember 2007) "Our job is to control what comes out in the media".

They have also done in by the most punitive libel laws in any democratic country on the planet. As the Libel Reform Campaign (LRC) and other 'free speech' organisations have demonstrated, these libel laws allow the wealthy and powerful to 'bully' anyone with limited means into being silenced.

Attempts to get reform of libel laws in recent years have consistently been blocked by MPs, who don't like media coverage of some of their activities. Even now, whilst the LRC and other groups have demanded a 'public interest' defence for people who may want to publicly discuss the actions of others, the Coalition government has failed to put this in its current Libel Reform Bill.

Turning to the Millie Dowler case, it now seems probable that Surrey Police, NOT the NOTW, 'hacked' into Millie Dowler's mobile. IF that is the case, what - in all honesty - is the point of Bob Dowler giving even more evidence to the Leveson enquiry? If the NOTW were not guilty of 'hacking' that 'phone, what precisely is the issue for Leveson, insofar as press freedom and press abuses is concerned?

If we look at the 'core participants', are there any ordinary, less well off people among them, who have been badly treated by the press.

So who is there?

Hugh Grant - a very wealthy celebrity.

John Prescott - a 'bulldog' Labour politician.

Max Mosley - wealthy entrepreneur.

Mark Thomson - Director-General of the BBC.

Media Standards Trust - just look at some of the names of their Trustees!*

And the McCanns - who have Mitchell and libel lawyers behind them and have controlled the media for all but a few months over the past 5 years.

And in amongst this constellation of celebrity, business and political stars, we have...the Dowlers, whose 'phone may have been 'hacked' by Surrey Police.

I don't mean this unkindly, but is it possible that the Dowlers, for whom there is massive public sympathy, are being used by Leveson as a kind of useful 'stick' with which to beat the newspapers?

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The Trustees of the Media Standards Trust include:

Its Deputy Chair: Julia Middleton | CEO, Common Purpose

Anthony Salz | Executive Vice Chairman, NM Rothschild

Charles Manby | Goldman Sachs

Sir Robert Worcester | Founder, MORI

In addition, Sir David Bell recently resigned as a Trustee of the Media Standards Trust, when he was appointed to the Leveson enquiry, he is also a non-executive Director of Common Purpose

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Post by Liz Eagles 27.06.12 12:56

This might be an over-simplistic view (I'm prone to them as I'm not an intellectual) but it would be very interesting to have some statistics within the Leveson Inquiry as to exactly how many libel suits within a media context have taken place in the UK courts in say the last five years and a breakdown of the financial power of those doing the suing, those being sued and the conclusions.

I'm on the fence concerning Mr. Dowler. On one hand I think he had a right to privacy but on the other hand if he did hamper the investigation because he didn't want his proclivities exposed then I can't make up my mind whether it was in the public interest for the press to reveal that information. The tabloids are fond of titilation - it sells newspapers but is it really in the public interest to concentrate headlines on someone's private life in such grief-stricken circumstances? Mr Dowler, unlike the McCanns imo did not court the media. IF he lied to the police and IF it was the police who hacked his phone (presumably ok in an investigation) then it would be for the police to deal with that information. The McCanns had a crack team of media specialists and a fund that armed itself with libel lawyers. The McCanns in my opinion were running with the hare and hunting with the hound as and when it suited.

I can't see any reason for either the Dowlers or the McCanns to be in the next round of what I consider a farce.

Just my humble opinion.
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Post by Tony Bennett 27.06.12 13:26

aquila wrote:This might be an over-simplistic view (I'm prone to them as I'm not an intellectual) but it would be very interesting to have some statistics within the Leveson Inquiry as to exactly how many libel suits within a media context have taken place in the UK courts in say the last five years and a breakdown of the financial power of those doing the suing, those being sued and the conclusions.

I'm on the fence concerning Mr. Dowler. On one hand I think he had a right to privacy but on the other hand if he did hamper the investigation because he didn't want his proclivities exposed then I can't make up my mind whether it was in the public interest for the press to reveal that information...
The information of course became public because, in common with other criminal trials, it was a trial in public. The issue re Bob Dowler was not really so much his absorption in porn and sado-masochism as the fact that there was a major issue in his life which made his daughter very unhappy - to the point of wanting to take her own life - and, as ShuBob has correctly pointed out, the fact that he lied to police and actively hindered a police investigation, matters for which, incidentally, one can be prosecuted.

But quite apart from an issue as to Bob Dowler's character, what is the point if calling him at all? - if indeed it was Surrey Police who were involved in the 'hacking'? And didn't the NOTW co-operate with Surrey Police anyway to try and trace Millie's killer?

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Post by ShuBob 27.06.12 13:37

Tony, I believe the NoTW have admitted they hacked into Milly's phone. Surrey police may have done so as well, I don't know.
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Post by Tony Bennett 27.06.12 13:40

ShuBob wrote:Tony, I believe the NoTW have admitted they hacked into Milly's phone. Surrey police may have done so as well, I don't know.
Ah! OK, thank you.

I have placed the pdf. Leveson statement of 25 June 2012 in the Research and Analysis Section: link:

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t5228-leveson-module-4-statement-dated-25-june-2012#113626

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ShuBob wrote:Tony, I believe the NoTW have admitted they hacked into Milly's phone. Surrey police may have done so as well, I don't know.
ShuBob - and to other forum visitors - this Guardian report of 9 May this year covers this issue pretty well, I think:

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The full truth about the extent of hacking into Milly Dowler's phone may never be known, police have admitted. Their report to the Leveson inquiry followed an investigation lasting five months into the hacking of the murdered teenager's phone.

"It is not possible to state with any certainty whether Milly's voicemails were or were not deleted," says the report, which was written by Detective Chief Inspector John Macdonald from the Metropolitan police's Operation Weeting, which is investigating phone hacking.

He said two voicemail messages appeared to have been removed at the time, but because the full technical call data was missing, "reaching a definitive conclusion is not and may never be possible".

The police said last year that a Guardian report might have mistakenly blamed the News of the World private detective Glenn Mulcaire for deleting Milly's voicemails and giving her family "false hope" that she was still alive because new evidence had emerged about the dates of calls.

Wednesday's report does not seek to exonerate Mulcaire over the deletions but refers only to NoW reporters.

It says: "There is no evidence at present to support a suggestion that any journalist attempted to hack into Milly's phone prior to 26th March 2002."

It is believed the "false hope" moment when Sally Dowler found that messages had been deleted on Milly's phone was on 24 March.

The report confirms, however, that NoW hacking did subsequently take place.

Gill Phillips, the lawyer for the Guardian, which originally revealed the hacking of Milly's phone, told the inquiry: "The Guardian welcomes the fact that the Metropolitan police has modified its statement from last December.

"The Guardian has no wish to cause any distress to the Dowler family. We also recognise the continuing need for care in reporting this matter given the ongoing criminal investigation."

She said the statement made clear that "the News of the World hacked into the voice messages of Milly Dowler after she disappeared in March 2002. The police have found evidence to suggest that somebody may have manually deleted two of Milly's messages but they have been unable to identify the person responsible. They have also found evidence which suggests automatic deletion.

"In April 2002. Surrey police made a connection between the apparent deletion of Milly's messages and the News of the World. The manual deletion of the messages was discussed by Sally and Bob Dowler and the police during meetings in 2011. The Dowlers speculated to the police that their 'false hope moment' was due to such manual deletion. Surrey police continued to regard this link as 'completely reasonable and absolutely possible' and the Metropolitan police did not seek to dissuade Mr and Mrs Dowler from this belief. The Guardian's story of 4 July 2011 was based on multiple sources and their state of knowledge at the time. Our error – as we acknowledged and corrected last December – was to have written about the cause of the deletions as a fact rather than as the belief of several people involved in the case. We regret that.

"After five more months of intensive inquiry, the police have found that the passage of time and the loss of evidence means that 'reaching a definitive conclusion is not and may never be possible'."

The NoW lawyer, Antony White QC, said repeated an apology for the NoW's behaviour. He said that nevertheless the false hope moment was likely to have been caused by automatic dropping-off of voicemails after 72 hours.

The Guardian submitted to the inquiry a timeline detailing the paper's understanding of the sequence of events surrounding the hacking of Milly's phone.

David Sherborne, for the Dowlers and other hacking victims, said important questions remained unanswered and that the NoW was "rotten to its core".

He read out a statement from the Dowler family. They thanked the police team for their efforts, but said "neglect and deference" by Surrey police in 2002 had caused the original failure to investigate and prosecute the NoW for hacking. Praising the Guardian's reporter, Nick Davies, they said the scandal had only come to light thanks to the "relentless efforts of one journalist".

Sherborne said: "If Surrey police had prosecuted this activity in 2002 then the position would have been very different and perhaps countless others might also have been avoided having their private messages hacked into by the News of the World. Police neglect and deference meant that it took the relentless efforts of one journalist to uncover what the police knew had gone on, and whilst we would never have wished to have been thrust into the middle of this extraordinary scandal on top of what we have already had to deal with as a family, we continue to have faith that his efforts and the efforts of the inquiry and Operation Weeting will have a lasting positive impact."

Later Mark Lewis, the solicitor acting for the Dowler family, said Rupert Murdoch's decision to pay Milly Dowler's parents £3m in an out-of-court settlement for phone hacking had nothing to do with allegations that the News of the World had deleted her voicemails.

He said demands that some of the Dowler money be refunded, because it was impossible to say whether or not the News of the World deleted a voicemail that led to the "false hope" that the teenager might be alive, were misplaced.

"I cannot recall ever discussing the concept of false hope in any negotiations between the Dowlers through me and News Corporation through their lawyers," he said.

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Dr Martin Roberts: "The evidence is that these are the pjyamas Madeleine wore on holiday in Praia da Luz. They were photographed and the photo handed to a press agency, who released it on 8 May, as the search for Madeleine continued. The McCanns held up these same pyjamas at two press conferences on 5 & 7June 2007. How could Madeleine have been abducted?"

Amelie McCann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".  

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This taken from the official statement by from Mark Lewis of Taylor Hampton Solicitors on behalf of Bob and Sally Dowler.

"It remains unchallenged that the News of the World listened to Milly Dowler’s voicemail and eavesdropped on deeply personal messages which were being left for her by her distraught friends and family. By listening to messages, deletions occurred even if no conscious act of deletion had been undertaken. This was why Mr Rupert Murdoch apologised to the Dowler family and conceded that his newspaper’s behaviour had been abhorrent and a letdown to his father’s memory and to his mother’s standards."

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Glenn Mulcaire was indeed tasked with the illegal and disgusting act of listening in to Milly's voice mail and the confirmation email that he received only shows that it was dated after it was noticed that Milly's voice mail was once again receiving messages. However, what we do not know for sure and neither do the police is when the phone call or conversation to engage him took place, They only know when the confirmation email to do so was received. The phone call/in person conversation and actual hacking could well have been before the 'false hope' moment but unfortunately it cannot be proven when he actually committed his heinous crime.

What is also now known is that the Leveson inquiry heard yet more evidence that put the NoTW back in the frame. Surrey police have evidence suggesting that one of the paper’s other journalists also had Milly's phone number and pin code. This means that it is possible that prior to GM being tasked, that the other journalist was hacking her voice mail messages and caused deletions to also be made. This claim is as far as I know yet to be refuted by NOTW.

However it is painted, NOTW staff illegally listened to a little girls voice mail messages whilst she lay dead in a field, battered and raped. Actions which were totally despicable and forever unforgivable even if no conscious act of deletion was undertaken.
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Will the big players who promoted this culture be brought to book? I doubt it. Why are the McCanns in module 4 of the Leveson Inquiry? Just someone please tell me why.
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