CADAVER (SORRY) SPERM DOGS

Now, this is a topic that may be better in 'Debate', if so please move.

Yesterday on Twitter, it was being bandied that Eddie was alerting to sperm. Yes, SPERM.

On CuddleCat< Maddie's ever-constant companion [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] WHY would it have sperm on?



This seems to have originated from a comment that Martin Grime made that Eddie alerts to sperm and blood also. However, I'm pretty certain each alert is 'unique' and his were definite cadaver 'hits' (thats what I said on Twitter)

I have asked for it to be explained as I missed the original posting.



OHh, and my Pro McCann attack-dog seems to be Father Jack @urcrazytoo[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

They may be getting confused with this.
Wiki

Cadaverine is the decarboxylation product of the amino acid lysine.[6]
However, this diamine is not purely associated with putrefaction. It is also produced in small quantities by living beings. It is partially responsible for the distinctive odors of urine and semen.

PeterMac wrote:They may be getting confused with this.
Wiki

Cadaverine is the decarboxylation product of the amino acid lysine.[6]
However, this diamine is not purely associated with putrefaction. It is also produced in small quantities by living beings. It is partially responsible for the distinctive odors of urine and semen.

Well they seem for the most part to be confused by counting their own fingers!

So are they saying

1)Kate + Gerry only people in PDL to hsve sex (he alerted nowhere else)

2)Both Kate and Maddie had enuresis?

3)the Scenic Key - maybe Gerry was holding it on a 'bathroom break' and splashed

or MAYBE - AND MOST LIKELY - GERRY McCANN IS JUST A F*CKING T*SSER (anywhere and everywhere, by the seems of it)



Their 'excuses' are getting more pathetic. I smell desperation and fear...[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

rainbow-fairy wrote:

PeterMac wrote:They may be getting confused with this.
Wiki

Cadaverine is the decarboxylation product of the amino acid lysine.[6]
However, this diamine is not purely associated with putrefaction. It is also produced in small quantities by living beings. It is partially responsible for the distinctive odors of urine and semen.

Well they seem for the most part to be confused by counting their own fingers!

So are they saying

1)Kate + Gerry only people in PDL to hsve sex (he alerted nowhere else)

2)Both Kate and Maddie had enuresis?

3)the Scenic Key - maybe Gerry was holding it on a 'bathroom break' and splashed

or MAYBE - AND MOST LIKELY - GERRY McCANN IS JUST A F*CKING T*SSER (anywhere and everywhere, by the seems of it)



Their 'excuses' are getting more pathetic. I smell desperation and fear...[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

Well we had the blood scenario over the last few weeks so why not sperm. McCann Attack dogs bleating that Eddie alerts to blood also but unable to explain why apparently no one else ever bled in any other apartment than the couple with a missing child.

You couldn't make it up.

Gillyspot wrote:Well we had the blood scenario over the last few weeks so why not sperm. McCann Attack dogs bleating that Eddie alerts to blood also but unable to explain why apparently no one else ever bled in any other apartment than the couple with a missing child.

You couldn't make it up.

We couldn't Gilly, but they can (and do). Kate and Gerry must be so proud of their disciples, making their case look so pathetically weak. They really will try anything won't they.

What are the odds that there can be So Many Factual Pointers to Guilt in a Single Crime Case which the 2 uncleared ex arguidos have been trying to explain away for the last 5 years? [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

Ahem! Perhaps someone's little fishy wishies wouldn't swim again, dropped dead on the bed and cuddlecat ate them for lunch!

anil39200 wrote:Ahem! Perhaps someone's little fishy wishies wouldn't swim again, dropped dead on the bed and cuddlecat ate them for lunch!

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Gillyspot wrote:Well we had the blood scenario over the last few weeks so why not sperm. McCann Attack dogs bleating that Eddie alerts to blood also but unable to explain why apparently no one else ever bled in any other apartment than the couple with a missing child.

You couldn't make it up.

We couldn't Gilly, but they can (and do). Kate and Gerry must be so proud of their disciples, making their case look so pathetically weak. They really will try anything won't they.

The consistent thing with Healy, McCann and their supporters is their ability to attack those who cannot speak up for themselves.

Easy attack the dogs and their handler. The dogs can't speak and Mr Grimes is a dignified professional who obviously has true belief in his talent and his four legged colleagues.

According to the McCanns the PJ are incompetent and the Portugese police in general are useless. The dogs are incompetent and sniff just about anything and bark to their hearts content. The Country of Portugal and its people are hill billies (sorry to any hill billies) who have no navy, no helicopters, actuallly no nothing. Dr Amaral and Mr Bennett are two lunatics, hell bent on seeking revenge on Healy and McCann just because they have nothing else to do. Me - I am an internet nutter.

Funny that anybody or any canine who voices disbelief at the Healy McCann story are labelled as being nuts or wrong or both.

Remember Kate and Gerry as the old saying goes - "every dog has its day" - and for Eddie and Keela I think that day is not too far away.

Yes, and the more people who start to read and find out about the findings of the dogs and all the other stuff not reported by the lily-livered UK press, the closer we get to the dogs having their day. It seems that scorn has been poured on each and every aspect which contradicts the parent's version of what happened. That won't last forever. More and more people seem to be questioning what happened. Imo it is only a matter of time.

anil39200 wrote:Yes, and the more people who start to read and fond out about the findings of the dogs and all the other stuff not reported by the lily-livered UK press, the closer we get to the dogs having their day. It seems that scorn has been poured on each and every aspect which contradicts the parent's version of what happened. That won't last forever. More and.ore people seem to be questioning what happened. Imo it is only a matter of time.

The thing is anil, they have reported the dogs, it was in all the press at the time. I think one of the papers even had the video of Eddie and Keela in the apartment. It may have been the News of the World or the Sun back in the early days, when things were reported. Here is one such article for posterity.........





Madeleine: McCanns consult American lawyers over 'cadaver dog' evidence


Last updated at 18:07 16 September 2007


Kate and Gerry McCann's legal team have consulted the lawyers of an American man accused of murdering his estranged wife in a case where cadaver dog evidence was key, a source said today.



Two British sniffer dogs, one capable of detecting blood and human remains, were brought to Portugal in early August.

The cadaver dog picked up a "scent of death" on everything from Mrs McCann's clothes to missing Madeleine's favourite soft toy Cuddle Cat, according to reports.





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Hunt: Keela was brought in to help police find Madeleine

During police interviews the McCanns were shown a video of the animal "going crazy" when it approached their Renault Scenic hire car, newspapers have claimed.

Leaked reports from the investigation have suggested Madeleine's parents could have accidentally killed her and then disposed of her body using the car.

Although they do not know the full details of Portuguese prosecutors' case against them, the McCanns are concerned it may rest on the dog's reaction.

They want to highlight the judge's dismissal of cadaver dog evidence in the high-profile Eugene Zapata murder trial in Madison, Wisconsin.





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Helpful hound: Eddie was also drafted to help in the search for Madeleine

The couple's lawyers have already contacted Zapata's defence team, who are now sending their large file on the matter to Britain.

Zapata's estranged wife, flight instructor Jeanette Zapata, was 37 when she vanished on October 11 1976 after seeing her three children off to school. Her body has never been found.

Detectives suspected Zapata of involvement in her disappearance but did not charge him because of a lack of evidence.

Police decided to conduct new searches using cadaver dogs, a new investigative technique, when an old friend of Mrs Zapata contacted them about the case in 2004.





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Eugene Zapata (left) was convicted of first-degree murder of his estranged wife Jeanette (right) when sniffer dogs found traces of human remains at his home

Zapata, 68, was charged with first-degree murder last year after the dogs indicated they sniffed human remains in a small basement "crawl space" at the former family home in Madison and other properties linked to him.

But Dane County Judge Patrick Fiedler ruled last month that the evidence that led to the charge could not be put before the jury.

He said the dogs were too unreliable in detecting the odour of remains and noted that no remains were actually found.

The judge agreed with an analysis of the three dogs' track record by Zapata's defence team that found they were incorrect 78 per cent, 71 per cent and 62 per cent of the time.



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Gerry and Kate McCann: hired an American lawyer over sniffer dog 'evidence' that detected the 'scent of a corpse' on Mrs McCann's clothes

According to the Wisconsin State Journal, Mr Fiedler told the court: "The state has failed to convince me that it's any more reliable than the flip of a coin." Zapata denies murder, and the jury in the case went out on Friday to start considering its verdict.

A source close to the McCanns' solicitors said: "The legal team are in touch with the lawyers who represented the defendant in the case.

"The court papers, giving the legal submissions, are on their way to the McCann team for consideration.

"At the moment there are no formal charges and therefore there is no formal allegation against which the McCann team can work. We are having to work a little bit in the dark.

"But given that we understand the central plank of what the police are alleging involves sniffer dogs - albeit British ones which are said to be particularly good - this is important and relevant, and will be raised with the police and brought to the judge's attention."



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Thanks candyfloss. You know, they seem to have a siege mentality imo. Imagine having to try to find some defence to every allegation levelled against you, simply because of not being prepared to be open about what went on. It reminds me of many situations where children have to tell fib after fib to keep covering up an original fib. Fancy having the kind of life where 'nutters' like us who just won't conform, question every aspect to try to find the truth about what happened because the people who were supposed to be responsible would not accept that responsibility. Maybe fame, celebrity and fortune was an endgame, bit what a cost and what an example of being careful for what you wish for. Ludicrous, simply ludicrous.

Gillyspot wrote:Well we had the blood scenario over the last few weeks so why not sperm. McCann Attack dogs bleating that Eddie alerts to blood also but unable to explain why apparently no one else ever bled in any other apartment than the couple with a missing child.

You couldn't make it up.

We couldn't Gilly, but they can (and do). Kate and Gerry must be so proud of their disciples, making their case look so pathetically weak. They really will try anything won't they.

Oh those dam.ed dogs. Gerry quoted the judge at the time: "Unreliable" ... Unfortunately meanwhile Zapata has confessed and is serving time [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

Châtelaine wrote:Oh those dam.ed dogs. Gerry quoted the judge at the time: "Unreliable" ... Unfortunately meanwhile Zapata has confessed and is serving time [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

I'll just bet David Gilroy is cursing them too. No body, no DNA - just circumstantial evidence = GUILTY!
No wonder we can smell fear from the Pro's.

I can't remember readin this bit before:


The dead body scent dog, as well as the human blood detecting dog, also gave Alert to the key of the before mentioned vehicle. The Laboratory also confirmed the existence of GERALD McCANN's DNA in the key. Furthermore, this last Alert was given by the dog's when the key was placed away from the vehicle and in a place out of sight.

So G and K , how do you explain that? Can't blame that one on maddie stickers on the car and the dog handler for leading the dog to the wrong conclusion..

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Moa their trolls accuse Martin Grime of being unprofessional & giving the dog signals as to when to alert.

So It isn't just Portuguese police that are corrupt & bungling - Martin Grime comes in for their abuse.

Funny as cadaver dogs are used widely throughout the world. They are expensive to train so if they alerted to blood,semen,nappies,sea bass etc who would bother spending the money. - For the simple reason that cadaver dogs alert to - CADAVER.

Eddie was trained on human bodies in the United States so he was a dog more qualified to be trusted with his alerts than others IMO.

I believe the dogs. Animal don't lie. Also the fact that they alerted so many different places , and only on the things belonging to mccanns.
they also alerted outside in a flower bed underneath a window. I'm not exactly sure under what window. Does anyone have a photo of the correct window?

Moa wrote:I believe the dogs. Animal don't lie. Also the fact that they alerted so many different places , and only on the things belonging to mccanns.
they also alerted outside in a flower bed underneath a window. I'm not exactly sure under what window. Does anyone have a photo of the correct window?

Hi Moa, I don't have a clue about posting a picture but the flower border was down from the narrow strip extension of the terrace that the lounge patio door led out on to. The narrow extension went in front of the patio doors of the parent's bedroom. There is a low wall that was topped by a low metal fence that was removed for some reason from one photo to another. Well the border was down from this area of the terrace.
I once had a thought that Madeleine had stood on this low wall to be able to see the Tapas bar, and tippled over and fell at the base in the border. I am sure these photographs are on Pamalam's site.