Re: Further Analysis of the Last Photo

by rustyjames 06.11.14 9:10

Clay Regazzoni wrote:
rustyjames wrote:

From those details three things were delivered for examination -

A Sony Handycam video camera - he didn't examine this but passed it on to the imaging unit at Hampshire Police HQ. I can't recall anything detailing the content of that tape.
A 64Mb memory card that was in the Olympus C50 camera
A 32Mb memory card that was in a case with the Olympus C50 camera

From a bit of quick research, the C50 was an expensive bit of kit upon release - about £500. It came with a 32MB card but then to acquire an additional 64MB card seems a bit extravagant given the amount of photos that they apparently liked to take (i.e. not many).

If any photos were taken at the full resolution and quality of the C50 camera then there wasn't a lot of room on a 32MB card. However if there were 116 photos found across the two cards then they couldn't have been taken at more than "Standard JPEG 1600 x 1200".

TIFF 2560 x 1920 : 2 - with 32MB card
Super-fine JPEG 2560 x 1920 : 13 - with 32MB card
Fine JPEG 2560 x 1920 : 26 - with 32MB card
Standard JPEG 2048 x 1536 : 30 - with 32MB card
Standard JPEG 1600 x 1200 : 66 - with 32MB card
Standard JPEG 1280 x 960 : 104 - with 32MB card
Standard JPEG 1024 x 768 : 153 - with 32MB card
Standard JPEG 640 x 480 : 199 - with 32MB card

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by Guest 06.11.14 9:19

rustyjames wrote:

If any photos were taken at the full resolution and quality of the C50 camera then there wasn't a lot of room on a 32MB card. However if there were 116 photos found across the two cards then they couldn't have been taken at more than "Standard JPEG 1600 x 1200".

Thanks rustyjames. That's what I get for posting early in the morning - getting my megabytes and gigabytes mixed up. I'd forgotten just how crap cameras were back then!

That puts things in a different light then. I can understand now why they might have been a bit selective with their photo ops. - not like today when memory is inconsequential.

by **Tony Bennett** 06.11.14 9:22

BlueBag wrote:Has anyone from TM or the Police offered a sensible reason for the Olympus being in Hampshire on May 8th?

It beggars belief.

If we knew why and how it got to a small Hampshire village by the Tuesday afternoon after Madeleine was reported missing, we would probably understand much more about this whole case.

Just as the 'Last Photo', ostensibly - when first shown - was a heartbreaking last photo of an abducted child, now it turns out to be another key to this great mystery.

These matters, just like Martin Grime's evidence, and all PeterMac's missives to Grange, are probably all in a sealed box under lock and key in a vault beneath Belgravia Police Station, marked: 'TOP SECRET - DO NOT MENTION'.

Unfortunately the PJ was - understandably - slow to grasp the significance of the photos, amid the international search for Madeleine - and Amaral completely skims over the photogaphic/camera evidence in his book.

by Guest 06.11.14 9:30

rustyjames wrote:

TIFF 2560 x 1920 : 2 - with 32MB card

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So the "last photo", taken with the Canon, is at a superior resolution to even the best that the Olympus could have produced. Fortunate they decided to use that camera to record for posterity such an important moment.

Going off at a tangent a bit (with apologies) they did well to crop Maddie at sufficient resolution to front the S&S book - normally images for print are expected to be at a minimum of 300DPI. The biggest you could realistically print Maddie alone from the last photo is about 3" x 4".

by canada12 06.11.14 9:55

Just for info purposes, the size of the original high-res "Last Photo" is 1.78 mb
Is that normal for a picture taken on that type of Canon camera?
It seems rather large. But I could be wrong.

by Guest 06.11.14 9:56

canada12 wrote:Just for info purposes, the size of the original high-res "Last Photo" is 1.78 mb
Is that normal for a picture taken on that type of Canon camera?
It seems rather large. But I could be wrong.

No. It is normal. Suggests the second best out of three possible full resolution settings.

by Guest 06.11.14 10:25

Tony Bennett wrote:If we knew why and how it got to a small Hampshire village by the Tuesday afternoon after Madeleine was reported missing, we would probably understand much more about this whole case.

I 100% agree.

That is really weird.

Something not right was happening here.

Maybe Amaral needs his attention bringing to this.

by HelenMeg 06.11.14 10:57

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Just some info relating to the HAMPSHIRE police re what you are discussing in case not already posted.It actually explains his actions and how he retrieved the deleted photos from the camera / memory cards.. worth a read.
2. On 8th May at 21.00 hours, the following was delivered to my home address by PC 178 Barham, requesting they be examined to establish if they contained pictures and video footage of a hotel complex in Praia da Luz.

ID ref Description
NALF/1 Video tape from Sony Handicam Video Camera Re Praia da Luz holiday 28/4/07-5/5/07

NALF/2 64 MB camera memory card from Olympus C50 camera Re Praia da Luz holiday 28/4/07-5/5/07

NALF/3 32 MB camera memory card from Olympus C50 camera Re Praia da Luz holiday 28/4/07-5/5/07

3. Video tape from Sony Handicam Video Camera Re Praia da Luz holiday 28/4/07-5/5/07 (NALF 1)

by Guest 06.11.14 11:06

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Just some info relating to the HAMPSHIRE police re what you are discussing in case not already posted.It actually explains his actions and how he retrieved the deleted photos from the camera / memory cards.. worth a read.
2. On 8th May at 21.00 hours, the following was delivered to my home address by PC 178 Barham, requesting they be examined to establish if they contained pictures and video footage of a hotel complex in Praia da Luz.

ID ref Description
NALF/1 Video tape from Sony Handicam Video Camera Re Praia da Luz holiday 28/4/07-5/5/07

NALF/2 64 MB camera memory card from Olympus C50 camera Re Praia da Luz holiday 28/4/07-5/5/07

NALF/3 32 MB camera memory card from Olympus C50 camera Re Praia da Luz holiday 28/4/07-5/5/07

3. Video tape from Sony Handicam Video Camera Re Praia da Luz holiday 28/4/07-5/5/07 (NALF 1)

Interesting... but how did it get to him and why.. and for who?

5 days after Madeleine is missing the camera has made it's way back to the UK for analysis of some kind (recovery of deleted pictures).

Surely this was a matter for the PJ at this stage?

by rustyjames 06.11.14 11:13

And what was the content of the video?

by Rogue-a-Tory 06.11.14 11:16

Tony Bennett wrote:
Unfortunately the PJ was - understandably - slow to grasp the significance of the photos, amid the international search for Madeleine - and Amaral completely skims over the photogaphic/camera evidence in his book.

I've never been able to comprehend that either. Even more incomprehensible consider they initially answered a call to a missing child, one they believed had probably just wandered off. You'd have thought recent photos would have been number 1 on their hit list.

by HelenMeg 06.11.14 11:20

Well PC 178 Barham delivered them at 21:00 hrs - interesting to find out who he is and with which force. ..

This in the PJ files so therefore known about by PJ (i.e. not just whisked out the country in secret). Was it because of the expertise of this particular man... in retrieving deleted pics (forensic expertise)? Or did the UK step in deliberately here.

by Guest 06.11.14 11:26

HelenMeg wrote:Well PC 178 Barham delivered them at 21:00 hrs - interesting to find out who he is and with which force. ..

This in the PJ files so therefore known about by PJ (i.e. not just whisked out the country in secret). Was it because of the expertise of this particular man... in retrieving deleted pics (forensic expertise)? Or did the UK step in deliberately here.

PC 178 CLIVE BARHAM - TWYFORD POLICE

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That's Hampsire.

by palm tree 06.11.14 11:27

Then again, portugal police had never met Maddie, so how would they have known whether the pic they received was an up to date one? The parents should have given the most recent pic they had of her on that very night.
Imo

by HelenMeg 06.11.14 11:29

Quick work - so he was just a local PC.

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also questions why the PC was given a video camera but passed it on immediately to another unit.

by Guest 06.11.14 11:31

HelenMeg wrote:Quick work - so he was just a local PC.

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also questions why the PC was given a video camera but passed it on immediately to another unit.

Is Heathrow in Hampshire?

It's close.

Maybe he was just the goffa.

by Guest 06.11.14 11:38

Hampshire Hi-Tech Crime Unit

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I think each force has one (Yorkshire does).. this was probably the closest to Heathrow.

by PMR 06.11.14 11:39

He was a local policeman in 1996 he may well have specialised in something else by 2007

by HelenMeg 06.11.14 11:41

BlueBag wrote:
HelenMeg wrote:Quick work - so he was just a local PC.

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also questions why the PC was given a video camera but passed it on immediately to another unit.
Is Heathrow in Hampshire?

It's close.

Maybe he was just the goffa.

Yes distance between London Heathrow Airport and Hampshire is 67.91 km.
This distance is equal to 42.2 miles, and 36.65 nautical miles.

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by Guest 06.11.14 12:00

PMR wrote:He was a local policeman in 1996 he may well have specialised in something else by 2007

He was still doing the same in 2005

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"PC Barham distributed copies of his report of recent crimes within the parish."

by Guest 06.11.14 12:02

And still in 2014

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by **PeterMac** 06.11.14 12:50

extract from
From The Truth to the Lie (- which I think is a better translation )

Madeleine McCann: L'Enquête Interdite - The Forbidden Investigation - Chapter 11

ANALYSIS OF A CRIME SCENE. APARTMENT 5A
It's 10am. After dealing with everyday matters, I join the team of investigators
responsible for the Madeleine case. The Leicestershire police are present at these
meetings, as well as José Freitas.
SNIP
At this stage of the investigation, we have already requested the holiday photos
from all of them. On the dining table, we notice a digital camera and we decide that
we must acquire its contents.
- We are really going to need the photos. That would allow us to see exactly what
happened during dinner, how they were seated round the table, what they drank,
what they ate, how they were dressed, everything is important.

So far as I have been able to calculate this must have been on Monday 7th or more likely given other things said in the book Tuesday 8th
If the latter then they acted quickly in getting the Olympus to Hampshire by 9pm. Perfectly possible of course - but WHY ?

This is NOTHING in the autobiography about this incident.

by Guest 06.11.14 13:06

Maybe I misread it.

The camera memory cards were in Hampshire by 8th of May?

Was the camera itself?

"On the dining table, we notice a digital camera and we decide that
we must acquire its contents.
- We are really going to need the photos."

Because this could be interpreted as camera present but memory cards not there.

by Guest 06.11.14 13:09

ID ref Description
NALF/1 Video tape from Sony Handicam Video Camera Re Praia da Luz holiday 28/4/07-5/5/07

NALF/2 64 MB camera memory card from Olympus C50 camera Re Praia da Luz holiday 28/4/07-5/5/07

NALF/3 32 MB camera memory card from Olympus C50 camera Re Praia da Luz holiday 28/4/07-5/5/07

From Martin statement.

Were the memory cards gone when Amaral noted the camera?

by Inspector Clouseau 06.11.14 15:21

An earlier poster made the comment that, "He states the camera had no date set, (or I guess no date facility), and everything had a date of 0000 hours on 01/01/02 so not a lot to be learnt there."

On the contrary, there might be a "lot" to learn here. If you look at page 22 of the Camera's manual (http://www.olympusamerica.com/files/oima_cckb/C-50Z_Reference.pdf), it states : "Set the date/time. Because the date and time are saved with the recorded pictures, be sure to set them correctly."

So the date and time are always set when you take a photo (and it's recorded in the exif file).

Now, if you got a new Olympus C50-Z back in 2002, took it out of the box and started taking photos without setting the clock, the clock would default to 00:00 on 01/01/02, but 5 minutes later the time should read 00:05. I don't have an olympus camera of that vintage to try it out, but on my camera I did a factory reset, didn't set the time, and sure enough a few minutes later took a photo and the time was 00:03.

So if the Olympus works the same way (and I can't think of a reason why it wouldn't) then the only way that all photos could show 00:00 01/01/02 would be if they had been edited to remove the dates and times. This would be done by copying the files to a computer, editing the exif info to set all the photos to 00:00 and then copying them back to the memory card. Anyone got an Olympus C-50Z to disprove my theory ?