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Fact, Fiction and Fallacy - by spudgun
Monday, 15 August 2011
Madeleine McCann - FACT, FICTION & FALLACY
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Need to get as many people as possible to read this
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Excellent article from Spudgun.
It has always amazed me that Gerry and Kate had so many powerful and prominent friends to help in their time of need. Who has such connections - that's the secret isn't it?
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Not so many friends to lean on.
And these had more useful friends as indeed did those friends. It all rippled out. IMO still, the lynchpin is GB from whom all the evil spread.
The McCs are an embarrassment to most of these 'influential people' I should think. They were expected to have gone back home and possibly appear in the press from time to time. I'm pretty sure none of the 'helpers' expected this still to be in issue with two pseudo celebrities milking the public for money and attention on a daily basis.
Instead of diving under the radar, they made a career out of a crime which put their facilitators in a much more compromising position than they could have imagined.
I am hoping that over this four year period, most of them have been able to distance themselves from their involvement, because that could finally leave the sorry pair without a lifebelt.
Perhaps their original plan was to stay in Portugal permanently, live of the Fund and the money they must have been already sure of getting.
They said they wouldn't leave until Madeleine was found.
The PJ scuppered that plan. No wonder Gerry said their lives were over, plan A was sunk. Plan B is still trundling on but running out of steam.

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I fear for him because it is getting more and more uncomfortable for some very influential people!

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tigger wrote:IMO the McCanns didn't have that many influential friends, but boy, did they have the right ones.
And these had more useful friends as indeed did those friends. It all rippled out. IMO still, the lynchpin is GB from whom all the evil spread.
The McCs are an embarrassment to most of these 'influential people' I should think. They were expected to have gone back home and possibly appear in the press from time to time. I'm pretty sure none of the 'helpers' expected this still to be in issue with two pseudo celebrities milking the public for money and attention on a daily basis.
Instead of diving under the radar, they made a career out of a crime which put their facilitators in a much more compromising position than they could have imagined.
I am hoping that over this four year period, most of them have been able to distance themselves from their involvement, because that could finally leave the sorry pair without a lifebelt.
Perhaps their original plan was to stay in Portugal permanently, live of the Fund and the money they must have been already sure of getting.
They said they wouldn't leave until Madeleine was found.
The PJ scuppered that plan. No wonder Gerry said their lives were over, plan A was sunk. Plan B is still trundling on but running out of steam.
I agree, Tigger. It was your other post "The Original Plan" that set me thinking about that. The focus may well shift during the phone tapping investigation & who knows what might turn up. I also think that it perhaps the T7 might be now thinking in a different way. I can see how they would have helped their friends at the start when they were so far from home and even up to their interviews in 2008, perhaps they feared that they would all end up in prison. But having watched the McCann's milk it for 4 years is a different thing particularly when they have had a lot of time to think. Maybe under a direct grilling from SY there might be a very different result. Here is hoping.
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thanks Molly.
Recently read somewhere (O, to keep an organised search diary!) that one couple of the T7 wanted to change their testimony. Round about September 07. Then there was the meeting at the Rothley Hotel in October 07. Could have been O'Brien and Jane.

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tigger wrote:Glad you can see where I' m coming from. I can't see a big conspiracy, but GB fouling things up thinking he's being clever, takes no great leap of the imagination. But now that the member for Kirkcaldy seems to have vanished from parliament, one wonders what's next. I'm still hoping the 'conspirators' can drop the McCanns in it at last. Wonder what they could use that made it a matter of 'national security'.
Recently read somewhere (O, to keep an organised search diary!) that one couple of the T7 wanted to change their testimony. Round about September 07. Then there was the meeting at the Rothley Hotel in October 07. Could have been O'Brien and Jane.
McCann friends 'change their story'
By Stewart Maclean And Krissy Storrar 8/11/2007
Gerry and Kate McCann
Shock claim over Madeleine police statements
Two of the seven friends who were in a restaurant with the McCanns on the night Madeleine vanished are said to have told police they want to change their stories.
Lawyers acting for the pair are reported to have contacted Portuguese detectives and asked to "correct" their original witness statements.
They insisted their request be kept secret because they feared being pressured by supporters of Kate and Gerry, according to a report in Spain's El Mundo newspaper.
The McCanns' spokesman last night insisted that the report was "simply untrue". Portuguese police sources have repeatedly claimed "crucial inconsistencies" in accounts by the "Tapas Nine" of what happened on May 3 are at the centre of their inquiry.
The seven friends who were in the tapas restaurant with Kate and Gerry are Jane Tanner, partner Dr Russell O'Brien, Dr Matthew Oldfield and his wife Rachel, Dr David Payne and wife Fiona and her mother Dianne Webster.
Ms Tanner told police she saw a man hurrying from the McCanns' apartment around 9.15pm with what looked like a girl bundled under his arm.
But tourist Jeremy Wilkins, who was there at that time, says he did not see a man - and he did not see Ms Tanner.
Police are also curious why Dr O'Brien was away from the restaurant for up to 45 minutes after going to check on the various couples' children
He told them he was gone for so long because his daughter had been sick in her bed and he waited for fresh bed linen.
But police allegedly claim resort staff said no bed linen was requested.
The McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell rubbished El Mundo's claims about the friends, saying: "I can deny any approach has been made by their lawyers asking to change the witness statement.
"Kate and Gerry's friends have consistently told the truth and remain happy, indeed they are keen, to be reinterviewed by the police."
Ms Tanner was also dismissive of the claims, saying: "It is absolute rubbish. We've had no contact with the police."
Dr Oldfield added: "None of the group have amended our statements as far as I am aware. We have been expecting to speak to the police again and will be happy to do so."
At the weekend it was reported Dr O'Brien, Ms Tanner, Dr Oldfield and Dr Payne had consulted lawyers fearing they were to be made suspects.
Police are also considering a check on Gerry's mobile records after a Portuguese TV network claimed he sent and received 14 texts during the two and a half hour dinner at the tapas bar.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2007/11/08/mccann-friends-change-their-story-115875-20078877/

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By Fiona Govan in Praia da Luz
6:53PM GMT 08 Dec 2007
The McCanns and the seven friends who dined with them on the night Madeleine went missing have met for the first time since her disappearance on May 3, it has emerged.
More on the disappearance of Madeleine McCann
The "emotional and deeply sad" reunion was held at a hotel near Kate and Gerry McCanns' home in Rothley, Leicestershire around a fortnight ago.
The Tapas Nine had wanted to keep the meeting secret but yesterday details of it were leaked by a source close to the McCanns.
"It was a private meeting in a hotel and was the first time that the group had collectively met since Madeleine's disappearance," said the source.
"Of course it was emotional and deeply sad for all involved," the source said and also admitted that it was an opportunity to discuss events amid reports that the group are to be re-interviewed by police.
"It was an opportunity for the group to discuss the events of the summer and to talk about what may happen next," the source continued.
"They wanted to talk about possibly being interviewed by police again and what that may entail."
The willingness of the friends to meet dispels claims that some of them had fallen out with the couple and wanted to change their witness statements given to Portuguese police.
"It was a show of solidarity under police claims that one or two had wanted to change their stories," said the source.
"That is just not the case and the meeting showed that. It was a meeting to express support by the friends and just to see each other again. They hadn't seen each other properly."
But the meeting could anger Portuguese detectives who hope to travel to Britain to carry out interviews of the group in the coming days.
They believe that inconsistencies in original statements made by members of the Tapas Nine could hold the key to solving the mystery.
Meanwhile a former Portuguese police chief said the McCanns should have been arrested as soon as their daughter disappeared for "abandoning" their children.
"When the parents told police that they went to dinner and left the children at home alone, they confessed to the crime of abandonment and should have been charged on that first day," said Paulo Pereira Cristovao in an interview with Portuguese daily newspaper 24 Horas.
"The penalty of abandonment is at least three years imprisonment," he stated reiterating previous calls for them to face prosecution for their actions.
Mr Pereira Cristovao, 38, left the Policia Judiciaria (PJ) in September and now heads the Portuguese Association for Missing Children (APCD), which leads the hunt for missing children in Portugal.
When Madeleine disappeared on May 3 from the hotel apartment in Praia da Luz she became the ninth official missing child in the country but Mr Pereira Cristovao said her case would not be considered by the organisation.
"I was asked what I thought about inviting the McCanns to the APCD. I said no, because they're suspects," said Mr Pereira Cristovao.
"She is (the ninth child on the PJ's missing people page) but the case involves a criminal investigation which is still on the boil, with the parents as suspects." "We have eight children whose disappearances are unexplained," he said vowing not to rest until he had discovered what happened to them.
Commenting on the snub, Mr Mitchell said: ""Madeleine is still a missing child and she went missing in Portugal so we would hope that she would be treated as such by this organisation but ultimately that is a matter for them."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1572028/Madeleine-McCann-Tapas-9s-secret-meeting.html

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candyfloss wrote:
Meanwhile a former Portuguese police chief said the McCanns should have been arrested as soon as their daughter disappeared for "abandoning" their children.
Thanks, Candyfloss, it's a very interesting piece. This is the part that doesn't make sense to me at all. Why concoct the Tapas saga and run the risk of imprisonment? We know that there was an adult missing every night so there were childminders. Yet there is evidence from Tapas staff that they were checking every night. I keep thinking that there was another plan that went wrong yet everything points to this scenario being set from the beginning.
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