Re: The creche enquiry

by Guest 28.08.11 13:04

So looks like Jane Tanner ( and probably the Paynes and Russell ) had met at least Rob Naylor....

Jane's statement from 10 May mentions the Naylors... She says that on 2 May at the beach she met the Paynes there and also met ROB husband of Ornya from London who was staying at the resort... Ornya is the pronunciation of the gaelic name Ainne... so this is Rob and Ainne Naylor as no other couple from london with those names are registered.

At the very least this means that they had casual aquaintance with the Naylors - which makes it weird why the PJ didn't interview the Naylors.. or maybe they did but it's not in the files.

Also as all the days get mixed up in the different statements hard to say if it was the 2 may or not...

Wednesday 2/5

9.00 Tennis lesson by tennis coach with Kate.
Kids Club (E*** & Madeleine plus 4 other children also had a tennis lesson. Responsible Cat and Georgina. Jane Tanner and Kate watched kids lesson on tennis court, but left before finish.
Jane went to beach. Met Paynes. Also met Rob (husband of Ornya) staying at resort. Rob keen surfer. Believes from London. Jane went sailing. Russel stayed in apartment as Evie was feeling sick.
After lunch, Russell took E*** to Kids Club, then went for canoeing lesson. Jane stayed in apartment with E***. Then took E*** to play area by pool.

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by Guest 28.08.11 13:13

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by Guest 28.08.11 13:49

Stewie wrote:So looks like Jane Tanner ( and probably the Paynes and Russell ) had met at least Rob Naylor....

Jane's statement from 10 May mentions the Naylors... She says that on 2 May at the beach she met the Paynes there and also met ROB husband of Ornya from London who was staying at the resort... Ornya is the pronunciation of the gaelic name Ainne... so this is Rob and Ainne Naylor as no other couple from london with those names are registered.

At the very least this means that they had casual aquaintance with the Naylors - which makes it weird why the PJ didn't interview the Naylors.. or maybe they did but it's not in the files.

Looking at that 10 May statement, I get the impression that RN and RoB had become quite close.

She went to the beach where she met DP and FP. She and other members of the group made the acquaintance of, in the course of their tennis classes, a lady called O., the deponent's husband, ROB, also knew the lady's husband named Rob from windsurf classes. The couple (Rob and O.) were also guests at the complex. That morning, after having been to her daughter's tennis class, the deponent went to the beach meeting Rob there. From what she knows, the couple Rob and O. have two children (a girl of 3 years and a younger child, not knowing if it was a boy or girl). She thinks they were Londoners. They were "normal" people.

Interesting also that ON had 2 children, a girl of 3 !!!!! and a younger child that she does not know the age of, let alone if it was a boy or a girl. That is unbelievable. How can anyone sit with a family on the beach and not know anything about their child ??

by Guest 28.08.11 13:56

They were "normal" people.

Not sure what "normal" means with this group...

This makes it more strange that the police didn't interview the Naylors .. there aren't many other holidaymakers they say they came into contact with regularly....

by Guest 28.08.11 14:04

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by **tigger** 28.08.11 14:07

Stewie wrote:
They were "normal" people.

Not sure what "normal" means with this group...

This makes it more strange that the police didn't interview the Naylors .. there aren't many other holidaymakers they say they came into contact with regularly....

Well, perhaps to differentiate them from so many others she knew. Poor Jane, probably did just as she was asked, lied like a trooper and got no thanks in return.
Jane always seems to me as wanting to belong with the other women, who are all more attractive, slimmer and glamorous. The girl who does other people favours. Perhaps the Naylors didn't want anything from her except her company, that made them 'normal' in her mind.

by Guest 28.08.11 14:25

Two more observations.

1. Robert and Ainne Naylor did not have any return flight details on their MW booking list. Just like the McCann's and Payne's.

2. Rober Naylor cleared his OC running tab on the 4th, the day before he was due to leave. Which would suggest he was still in the resort on the 4th.

by Guest 28.08.11 14:35

Stella wrote:

She went to the beach where she met DP and FP. She and other members of the group made the acquaintance of, in the course of their tennis classes, a lady called O., the deponent's husband, ROB, also knew the lady's husband named Rob from windsurf classes. The couple (Rob and O.) were also guests at the complex. That morning, after having been to her daughter's tennis class, the deponent went to the beach meeting Rob there. From what she knows, the couple Rob and O. have two children (a girl of 3 years and a younger child, not knowing if it was a boy or girl). She thinks they were Londoners. They were "normal" people.

Now we know why McCann and Naylor was often signed in together, or there abouts. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

I can retire for the day now on a high !!

by Daisy 28.08.11 16:15

Stewie wrote:They were "normal" people.

Not sure what "normal" means with this group...

This makes it more strange that the police didn't interview the Naylors .. there aren't many other holidaymakers they say they came into contact with regularly....

Perhaps, and I emphasise the word perhaps because this is pure speculation. 'Rob Naylor' could be a VERY important person, someone VERY high up in the NHS and didn't want his career sullied by being involved in the investigation.

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by Guest 29.08.11 9:11

Daisy wrote:
Perhaps, and I emphasise the word perhaps because this is pure speculation. 'Rob Naylor' could be a VERY important person, someone VERY high up in the NHS

He does not work for the NHS Daisy.

by Guest 29.08.11 9:55

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From Jane Tanner's 10th May statement, talking about being on the beach with Rob (Robert) and Ornya (Ainne) Naylor.

Why didn't any of them talk about this couple they were on the beach with and played tennis with, in their rogatory interviews?

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by Guest 29.08.11 12:11

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This is the creche sheet for the 1st May.

Stephen Carpenter in his statement claimed his daughter was not in Madeleine's group.

Yet, what we can see is that his daughter did get signed in once and was crossed out. She is signed in at 2.40.

The next child signed in is recorded as 2.30, an earlier time than they entry before it !!

This is a very unusual day indeed.

A child not in that group, is signed in and out of it.

The O'Brien child is signed in with the wrong room number.

Madeleine does not get signed out.

by Bebootje 29.08.11 12:35

In addition to possible falsification of registration of Madeleine by the McCanns may - All in all - with certainty be concluded that the records were a mess, and therefore totally unreliable.
In itself this could be is a reason for Baker's loyalty to the McCanns.
Looks like she was totally unfit for her job.

by Daisy 29.08.11 13:00

Stella wrote:

He does not work for the NHS Daisy.[/quote]

Thanks Stella. I'll not waste time on that now. Just trying to make sure 'no stone is left unturned' [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

Could you please delete the two links I put up.

by Guest 29.08.11 14:18

Bebootje wrote:In addition to possible falsification of registration of Madeleine by the McCanns may - All in all - with certainty be concluded that the records were a mess, and therefore totally unreliable.
I disagree. If a handwriting expert looks at the originals and concludes that one person was indeed signing in two children, this person should be interviewed again and asked why.

by Bebootje 29.08.11 15:31

Stella wrote:
Bebootje wrote:In addition to possible falsification of registration of Madeleine by the McCanns may - All in all - with certainty be concluded that the records were a mess, and therefore totally unreliable.
I disagree. If a handwriting expert looks at the originals and concludes that one person was indeed signing in two children, this person should be interviewed again and asked why.

Off course, but looking at those records we can conclude that the records weren't properly supervised by the nannies. That they were a mess really. Somethimes children are not signed in or forgotten to sign out. That in fact Catriona Baker did a very sloppy job.
The records are in fact totally unreliable to prove Madeleine was present at May 3.

by Guest 29.08.11 15:39

Maybe she was never really there all week ?

by Guest 29.08.11 15:41

Bebootje wrote:

looking at those records we can conclude that the records weren't properly supervised by the nannies.

That would be arguable. There are many entries where the nanny has inserted her own name, so she must have been observing them at some point in time, yes?

by Guest 30.08.11 8:56

Stewie wrote:
Jane's statement from 10 May mentions the Naylors... She says that on 2 May at the beach she met the Paynes there and also met ROB husband of Ornya from London who was staying at the resort

Interestingly the 2nd May is the only day the Naylor's name is listed on the tapas lists for 7 pm. Followed by O'Donnell at 7.30 pm and the tapas group at 8.30 pm.

There is also one other thing that only occurred on the 2nd on the tapas list. Someone's name was removed by covering it up at 7pm and I have often wondered why that was. If someone cancelled, why not just cross through the name? Why go to all the effort of removing every last stroke, hiding what was there?

by Guest 30.08.11 16:11

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Why would they be "aware no baby club", when there was one?

Baby Club (3-11 months)

There are 3 sub groups, each group having only 2 babies each.

Charlotte Pennington and Lynne Fretter looked after these groups.

by uppatoffee 15.09.11 8:50

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One thing I wondered looking at this handwriting is whether it was written by someone left handed. The little flicks on the left hand side of the letter A seem to suggest this. Does anyone know if Gerry is left handed?

by Guest 15.09.11 15:42

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uppatoffee, I have been looking everywhere for a picture of Gerry with a pen in his hand, but cannot find one. I found one of Kate with a pen in her right hand.
The picture above would suggest to me that Gerry is used to speaking on the phone with it in his right hand, leaving his left hand free for a pen to write with, so he is quite possibly left handed.

by russiandoll 11.10.11 18:46

+ / - 16.00 K run 25 min.
16:30 Tennis lessons

creche records show Kate signed Maddie in 15.15. and out 15 mins later, so who was looking after the youngster after 3.30 pm? No ref in book to any daytime activities for 30th ,the only day about which Kate is silent apart from supermarket shopping and eve meal at tapas.

by Lemain 11.10.11 18:50

russiandoll wrote:+ / - 16.00 K run 25 min.
16:30 Tennis lessons

creche records show Kate signed Maddie in 15.15. and out 15 mins later, so who was looking after the youngster after 3.30 pm? No ref in book to any daytime activities for 30th ,the only day about which Kate is silent apart from supermarket shopping and eve meal at tapas.

Are those times the times they'd planned in advance, or a record of what they actually did?

by russiandoll 11.10.11 19:38

sorry Lemain, the times posted are copied from Kates diary for apr 30th....... what the creche sheet shows is that Maddie was out of creche at 3.30 pm after a 15 minute attendance.....
there are media reports of the McCanns and Maddie being seen in Sagres on this date but there is nothing to corroborate the sighting and no ref in kates book to any trip to Sagres either 30th or date a documented trip to sagrestook place discussed on Gerrys blog...early June.
I am very troubled by the silence from Kate over what they did apr 30th , no daytime events taken from her diary and listed as with all other days...and that Maddie was not supervised by creche staff and so surely was somewhere with an adult /adults after 3. 30