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I have seen this attributed to Jane Tanner about the "abductor":
"His head was egg-shaped, he had some short hair, and was carrying a bundle, maybe a blanket"
I have been unable to find a source for quote this does anyone know it?
"His head was egg-shaped, he had some short hair, and was carrying a bundle, maybe a blanket"
I have been unable to find a source for quote this does anyone know it?
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FatherC wrote:I have seen this attributed to Jane Tanner about the "abductor":
"His head was egg-shaped, he had some short hair, and was carrying a bundle, maybe a blanket"
I have been unable to find a source for quote this does anyone know it?
FatherC and
I remember reading this very early on, the Egg Man, I expect they have all been whooshed now! Will have a search.
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Found an article which says she saw a man carrying a bundle. So how did that bundle morph into a child, complete with description of pyjamas bare feet etc. Strange bundle!......................
Is this the man who snatched Madeleine? McCanns release artist's impression
By VANESSA ALLEN
Last updated at 17:17 26 October 2007
This is the man a witness claims she saw carrying a child away from the McCann family's holiday apartment on the night Madeleine disappeared.
The picture - an artist's impression - was commissioned by the McCanns in an attempt to kickstart the hunt for their daughter.
An artist drew the picture after speaking to witness Jane Tanner and asking her what she remembered of the man she saw on the night of May 3.
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Faceless suspect: The McCanns hope this image will reinvigorate the search for Madeleine
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Miss Tanner, 36, was one of the group of friends on holiday with the McCanns - the Tapas Nine - and told police she saw a man carrying a bundle away from the apartment and down towards the church in Praia da Luz, at about 9.15pm.
She thought nothing of it until the alarm was raised 45 minutes later, and was said to be "racked with guilt".
She told police she thought it was strange to see a man carrying a child so late at night, but thought he must be its father.
She has spent several hours with the woman forensic artist who has an international reputation in her field.
The picture shows a child's legs dangling over the man's arm, wearing white trousers decorated with a floral pattern and a lacy trim.
The child appears to be asleep or barely conscious.
Madeleine: Disappeared from the family's holiday apartment in Praia da Luz on May 3
The clothing fits the description of the pyjamas Madeleine's parents say she was wearing on the night she vanished.
Gerry McCann spoke in detail of the suspect seen by Miss Tanner, saying he was about 35, around 5ft 9ins, with dark hair parted at the side and slightly longer at the back. He wore a dark jacket, beige trousers and dark shoes.
Mr McCann said: "This could have been someone who could have been picking up a child from a creche or coming back from dinner.
"But we are certainly suspicious of the timing and that person needs to be eliminated from the investigation."
The artist left the man's face blank because Miss Tanner, of Exeter, said she never saw it in the dark street.
Her account has caused controversy because another witness, TV producer Jeremy Wilkins, has said he stopped to speak to Mr McCann in the street at the same time, but said he did not see Miss Tanner or the unidentified man.
The McCanns have been frustrated by the Portuguese police's seeming unwillingness to publicise the sighting.
Their decision to commission their own picture was time to coincide with their interview with the Spanish broadcaster Antena 3.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-489762/Is-man-snatched-Madeleine-McCanns-release-artists-impression.html#ixzz1UpL0oAkF
Is this the man who snatched Madeleine? McCanns release artist's impression
By VANESSA ALLEN
Last updated at 17:17 26 October 2007
This is the man a witness claims she saw carrying a child away from the McCann family's holiday apartment on the night Madeleine disappeared.
The picture - an artist's impression - was commissioned by the McCanns in an attempt to kickstart the hunt for their daughter.
An artist drew the picture after speaking to witness Jane Tanner and asking her what she remembered of the man she saw on the night of May 3.
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Faceless suspect: The McCanns hope this image will reinvigorate the search for Madeleine
Read more...
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- Portuguese police failed to record any of their interviews with McCanns
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Miss Tanner, 36, was one of the group of friends on holiday with the McCanns - the Tapas Nine - and told police she saw a man carrying a bundle away from the apartment and down towards the church in Praia da Luz, at about 9.15pm.
She thought nothing of it until the alarm was raised 45 minutes later, and was said to be "racked with guilt".
She told police she thought it was strange to see a man carrying a child so late at night, but thought he must be its father.
She has spent several hours with the woman forensic artist who has an international reputation in her field.
The picture shows a child's legs dangling over the man's arm, wearing white trousers decorated with a floral pattern and a lacy trim.
The child appears to be asleep or barely conscious.
Madeleine: Disappeared from the family's holiday apartment in Praia da Luz on May 3
The clothing fits the description of the pyjamas Madeleine's parents say she was wearing on the night she vanished.
Gerry McCann spoke in detail of the suspect seen by Miss Tanner, saying he was about 35, around 5ft 9ins, with dark hair parted at the side and slightly longer at the back. He wore a dark jacket, beige trousers and dark shoes.
Mr McCann said: "This could have been someone who could have been picking up a child from a creche or coming back from dinner.
"But we are certainly suspicious of the timing and that person needs to be eliminated from the investigation."
The artist left the man's face blank because Miss Tanner, of Exeter, said she never saw it in the dark street.
Her account has caused controversy because another witness, TV producer Jeremy Wilkins, has said he stopped to speak to Mr McCann in the street at the same time, but said he did not see Miss Tanner or the unidentified man.
The McCanns have been frustrated by the Portuguese police's seeming unwillingness to publicise the sighting.
Their decision to commission their own picture was time to coincide with their interview with the Spanish broadcaster Antena 3.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-489762/Is-man-snatched-Madeleine-McCanns-release-artists-impression.html#ixzz1UpL0oAkF
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candyfloss wrote:LG78 wrote:mmmlindz wrote:Jane said she didn't tell McCanns about seeing man carrying child straight away but it was written on the original timeline on the kid book cover was this added later or another lie?
Opinion on this ? : Another thing about the abducter she "saw". If that is/are true, and you look at where Maddie slept, and the posision and the main entrance, if she saw the abducter, then it should have been the child's head where Jane Tanner saw feets. If not, the abducter would have had to turn Maddie around with her head pointing at the ending of bed before picking her up. And that is not very likely. Or he would have to turn her around sometime before living. And if it was an abducter, would he even carried her in the way JT describes? I mean not a clever way to carrie a child you abducted?
Yes, he would have had to put Madeleine down and change position for her head to be facing the way JT described. Furthermore if we are to believe the Smith sighting was of the same person, he had changed position again, after walking around for 35/40 minutes, and had Madeleine over his shoulder.
And all this without her waking up screaming of fear in the arms of a stranger, unless she already was dead or the arms was her dads...
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I think Jane Tanner's "sighting" is a nonsense but it is not fair to attribute something to her which she did not in fact say. There appears to be no record of her saying the man she saw "was carrying a bundle, maybe a blanket" and if there isn't 21 reasons really should not be saying that there is.
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FatherC wrote:I think Jane Tanner's "sighting" is a nonsense but it is not fair to attribute something to her which she did not in fact say. There appears to be no record of her saying the man she saw "was carrying a bundle, maybe a blanket" and if there isn't 21 reasons really should not be saying that there is.
Seems like she told that she saw pink/white pyjamas bear feet and all that in the first interview with police may 4th. Not something she made up long after as some claime. Tough im not sure what she said to the police same night it happened. She might not been so clear then? anyone know? Im very sure she lies anyway..To dark and to short time to get all those details I think...And to remember it all so clear and hour later as well...
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FatherC wrote:I think Jane Tanner's "sighting" is a nonsense but it is not fair to attribute something to her which she did not in fact say. There appears to be no record of her saying the man she saw "was carrying a bundle, maybe a blanket" and if there isn't 21 reasons really should not be saying that there is.
Well, she can't have convinced GM can she, he didn't seem very sure, because he states in this video " a man probably carrying a child" plus the piece in the article I posted about a man carrying a bundle..........................
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With erm, probably carrying a child.
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Jane's statement:
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/Tanner4of7_HO4.pdf
“Dark colours, but again it was, I think it was quite dark, so dark, sort of darkish jacket but then a more, a lighter trouser but a horrible colour, again this is, sort of a yellowy dark browny, horrible, but not, not a nice colour trousers, but then I wonder whether that was the lights making them look, making them look more of a sort of a mustard, it wasn’t mustard because that’s too bright, but it was just like a, as I say they weren’t nice, they weren’t the sort of clothes I’d expect somebody on a MARK WARNER holiday to, they was, I can’t think of the material, I tried to describe this before, but sort of a cottony material but baggy”.
The lights were yellow and if they distorted the colour of the "abductor's" trousers I don't understand how she can be so sure about Madeleine's white & pastel pink pyjamas
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/Tanner4of7_HO4.pdf
“Dark colours, but again it was, I think it was quite dark, so dark, sort of darkish jacket but then a more, a lighter trouser but a horrible colour, again this is, sort of a yellowy dark browny, horrible, but not, not a nice colour trousers, but then I wonder whether that was the lights making them look, making them look more of a sort of a mustard, it wasn’t mustard because that’s too bright, but it was just like a, as I say they weren’t nice, they weren’t the sort of clothes I’d expect somebody on a MARK WARNER holiday to, they was, I can’t think of the material, I tried to describe this before, but sort of a cottony material but baggy”.
The lights were yellow and if they distorted the colour of the "abductor's" trousers I don't understand how she can be so sure about Madeleine's white & pastel pink pyjamas
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Molly wrote:Jane's statement:
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/Tanner4of7_HO4.pdf
“Dark colours, but again it was, I think it was quite dark, so dark, sort of darkish jacket but then a more, a lighter trouser but a horrible colour, again this is, sort of a yellowy dark browny, horrible, but not, not a nice colour trousers, but then I wonder whether that was the lights making them look, making them look more of a sort of a mustard, it wasn’t mustard because that’s too bright, but it was just like a, as I say they weren’t nice, they weren’t the sort of clothes I’d expect somebody on a MARK WARNER holiday to, they was, I can’t think of the material, I tried to describe this before, but sort of a cottony material but baggy”.
The lights were yellow and if they distorted the colour of the "abductor's" trousers I don't understand how she can be so sure about Madeleine's white & pastel pink pyjamas
How on earth from that distance and in that light can you possibly ascertain what sort of material his trousers were. How can you tell material from a distance?
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From Police files
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PJ informational documents
Another missive from the National Directorate in Lisbon, this one dated 25 May
2007 and which starts by saying - 21 days into the investigation ' witness
testimony has revealed the description of an individual having been seen
carrying a child next to apartment 5A of the Luz Ocean Club.
It continues by venturing to suggest a press release ' in fact an appeal to the
person fitting the following description "Caucasian person, 35 to 40 years of
age, of medium build, 1,70/75m tall, with short hair on the head but covering
the neck area, wearing a dark-coloured wind-breaker/sports jacket/coat, cloth
trousers of clear colour (beige or golden) and black shoes."
... who was walking in the Praia da Luz area on 3 May 2007, at about 21h30, and
possibly carrying a child, or some object that could be confused with a child,
to please contact the Police to clarify the truth of the situation. The appeal was extended to anyone else having seen the person described, in the area at the time given above, to contact the Police on the numbers provided in
the appeal.
Again, appropriate action was left to the consideration and determination of the
leader of the investigation.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EXTERNAL.htm#p2p309
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LG78 wrote:
... who was walking in the Praia da Luz area on 3 May 2007, at about 21h30, and
possibly carrying a child, or some object that could be confused with a child,
And Jane Tanner's memory improved from this to knowing that it was a female child who was wearing pink pyjamas with turnups like Madeleine was wearing. (Even though she only saw the child from the feet and Madeleine's pj bottoms were white).
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Gillyspot wrote:LG78 wrote:
... who was walking in the Praia da Luz area on 3 May 2007, at about 21h30, and
possibly carrying a child, or some object that could be confused with a child,
And Jane Tanner's memory improved from this to knowing that it was a female child who was wearing pink pyjamas with turnups like Madeleine was wearing. (Even though she only saw the child from the feet and Madeleine's pj bottoms were white).
Yeah her memory worked oppsite of everyone else, remembering more instead of less.
The most cruisal thing I think is the fact that the "child" if carried away like Tanner says,and if that was Madeleine, her head should have been where the feets where. If not the abducter would have had to turn her around at some point. And why didnt she wake up? Why didnt the twins wake up sooner? If she was druged , say by a shot of medicine or something, that would give the abducter even less time. First injecting the drug without her waking up and scream, and the drug needs some time to start work. And also, why would an abducter carrie a child like Tanner describes? Making her more visible, and its heavier and absolutly no good way to carrie a child if you are in a hurry...
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Strangely, Kate also made several requests, three months after the disappearance of Madeleine, that the police should take blood, hair and nail tests of Madeleine's twin siblings, because, as she said, she remembered that on the day of Madeleine's disappearance, in spite of all the commotion and noise made by the authorities and other persons who were looking for Madeleine in apartment 5A of the OC, the twins never woke up, having been transported to another apartment, they remained asleep, due to which she now presumes that they were under the effect of some sedative drug that a presumed abductor had administered to the three children in order to be able to abduct Madeleine, a situation which Kate refers to being possible according to what she read in a criminal investigation manual given to her by the British authorities, that would have been the procedure of the abductor in the real case involving abduction, rape and murder of the girl.
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http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SERVICE_INFORMATION.htm#p3p747[/quote[/url]]LG78 wrote:Strangely, Kate also made several requests, three months after the disappearance of Madeleine, that the police should take blood, hair and nail tests of Madeleine's twin siblings, because, as she said, she remembered that on the day of Madeleine's disappearance, in spite of all the commotion and noise made by the authorities and other persons who were looking for Madeleine in apartment 5A of the OC, the twins never woke up, having been transported to another apartment, they remained asleep, due to which she now presumes that they were under the effect of some sedative drug that a presumed abductor had administered to the three children in order to be able to abduct Madeleine, a situation which Kate refers to being possible according to what she read in a criminal investigation manual given to her by the British authorities, that would have been the procedure of the abductor in the real case involving abduction, rape and murder of the girl.
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Her audacity astounds me, does she think we're all bl**ding stupid. My God, this woman really takes the biscuit in excuses. I dread to think what excuse she would make up if anything happened to one of the twins.
Any mother who has 2 children who do not wake up amongst a commotion, knowing your daughter had just been abducted, would immediately wake the twins to make sure they're OK, or to have them checked over by a doctor or even to ask them if they saw or heard anything, but not K McCann. The fact that she is a qualiied GP and comes up with this rubbish is really scary.
These are the actions of someone who knows their daughter hasn't been abducted and the fact that she and probably G administered something to the twins not to wake up so their ME TIME WITH THE FRIENDS THEY'RE SO INTO wouldn't be interrupted.
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She refused to have the twins checked out in a hospital that night.
I too would have had them checked out, and I would have woken them to hear what happened, if needed together with a special trained interrogator for children.
Kate and Gerry both prove time after time they must be lousy doctors.
I too would have had them checked out, and I would have woken them to hear what happened, if needed together with a special trained interrogator for children.
Kate and Gerry both prove time after time they must be lousy doctors.
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One more witness contradicts Jane Tanners Story
http://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/t9218-one-more-witness-contradicts-jane-tanner-statement-october-29-2007
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Tanner lie revieled
This is interressting, the tapas bar was not an option in the all inclusive at OC. Only Millenium was.
http://textusa.blogspot.com/2010/08/exclusive-proof-of-jane-tanners-lies.html
http://textusa.blogspot.com/2010/08/exclusive-proof-of-jane-tanners-lies.html
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But if you read the statement from the tapas receptionist, she confirms that it was. !!
Processos Vol III Pages 50 – 51
Date: 2007/05/08
Luisa Ana de Noronha de Azevedo Coutinho
Occupation: Receptionist
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LUISA_COUTINHO.htm
She has been a receptionist at the Garden for 1 year, but has worked there previously.
The OC Garden reception has less functions than the main reception and deals with subjects relating to activities (Pool, Tennis) etc and excursions.
She points out that the family in question came via Mark Warner and this company takes care of all relations with clients and there is practically no contact between the clients and reception.
She adds that this family (McCann), like all MW clients had half-board, that is breakfast and dinner. For dinner the guests could choose between two restaurants, the Tapas and the Millenium, the first being à la carte and the second a buffet service, clients make their choice not only because of the food but because of the proximity of the restaurant to their accommodation. She says that the guests told her that the Tapas was of better quality but that it was difficult to reserve there as a MW guest as the MW daily quota was of only 20.
In this concrete case the reasonable option was the Tapas as the distance was only 40 metres from the accommodation as opposed to 200 m from the Millenium.
She remembers that on Sunday 29th April one of the elements of the group arrived with the child Madeleine McCann, she does not know his name and can only say that he was male and tall and thin and that he approached her to request a booking for the whole group, for the whole week and always at 20.30.
When questioned, she confirms that the man was not the father of the girl but one of the members of the group whom was often seen in his company.
The man justified his request by saying that the group had many small children whom they would leave alone when they went to dine. She said that at intervals some two parents would go to the apartments to see if everything was OK.
The deponent made some comments about the request, saying that the Tapas received many requests and that MW only had a quota of 20 per day, but upon the insistence of the guest she managed to make the bookings requested.
She confirms that it was possible to see the apartment from the restaurant, including the window of the sitting room.
She does not know in which bedroom the children were sleeping but upon being informed that it was on the opposite side of the apartment she confirmed that it would be completely out of sight from anyone at the restaurant.
That the most viable solution would be to leave the children with a baby sitter, which is the procedure normally adopted by clients.
Regarding the question as to the availability of the baby sitting service between 19.30 and 23.30, she confirms that the service exists and that it is free of charge.
When questioned, she says that she does not understand, as the service is free, why the parents of Madeleine McCann did not use it.
When asked she says that the contact with this family was normal, like with other clients and describes them as “nice”.
With regard to the date of the disappearance she says that she worked from 09.00 to 19.00 and only returned at 08.00 on 4th May.
It was on this day at 08.30 when she arrived that she was informed about the disappearance by colleagues.
She only knows what third parties have told her and from what she has seen in the press.
She never saw anything strange. During this interview she provided a book with the reservations for the Tapas restaurant.
No more was said, reads, ratifies and signs.
Processos Vol III Pages 50 – 51
Date: 2007/05/08
Luisa Ana de Noronha de Azevedo Coutinho
Occupation: Receptionist
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LUISA_COUTINHO.htm
She has been a receptionist at the Garden for 1 year, but has worked there previously.
The OC Garden reception has less functions than the main reception and deals with subjects relating to activities (Pool, Tennis) etc and excursions.
She points out that the family in question came via Mark Warner and this company takes care of all relations with clients and there is practically no contact between the clients and reception.
She adds that this family (McCann), like all MW clients had half-board, that is breakfast and dinner. For dinner the guests could choose between two restaurants, the Tapas and the Millenium, the first being à la carte and the second a buffet service, clients make their choice not only because of the food but because of the proximity of the restaurant to their accommodation. She says that the guests told her that the Tapas was of better quality but that it was difficult to reserve there as a MW guest as the MW daily quota was of only 20.
In this concrete case the reasonable option was the Tapas as the distance was only 40 metres from the accommodation as opposed to 200 m from the Millenium.
She remembers that on Sunday 29th April one of the elements of the group arrived with the child Madeleine McCann, she does not know his name and can only say that he was male and tall and thin and that he approached her to request a booking for the whole group, for the whole week and always at 20.30.
When questioned, she confirms that the man was not the father of the girl but one of the members of the group whom was often seen in his company.
The man justified his request by saying that the group had many small children whom they would leave alone when they went to dine. She said that at intervals some two parents would go to the apartments to see if everything was OK.
The deponent made some comments about the request, saying that the Tapas received many requests and that MW only had a quota of 20 per day, but upon the insistence of the guest she managed to make the bookings requested.
She confirms that it was possible to see the apartment from the restaurant, including the window of the sitting room.
She does not know in which bedroom the children were sleeping but upon being informed that it was on the opposite side of the apartment she confirmed that it would be completely out of sight from anyone at the restaurant.
That the most viable solution would be to leave the children with a baby sitter, which is the procedure normally adopted by clients.
Regarding the question as to the availability of the baby sitting service between 19.30 and 23.30, she confirms that the service exists and that it is free of charge.
When questioned, she says that she does not understand, as the service is free, why the parents of Madeleine McCann did not use it.
When asked she says that the contact with this family was normal, like with other clients and describes them as “nice”.
With regard to the date of the disappearance she says that she worked from 09.00 to 19.00 and only returned at 08.00 on 4th May.
It was on this day at 08.30 when she arrived that she was informed about the disappearance by colleagues.
She only knows what third parties have told her and from what she has seen in the press.
She never saw anything strange. During this interview she provided a book with the reservations for the Tapas restaurant.
No more was said, reads, ratifies and signs.
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[quote="LG78"]This is interressting, the tapas bar was not an option in the all inclusive at OC. Only Millenium was.
http://textusa.blogspot.com/2010/08/exclusive-proof-of-jane-tanners-lies.html[/quote]
Sorry, I'm confused now, are you saying that it was included on half board, but not full board or all inclusive??
http://textusa.blogspot.com/2010/08/exclusive-proof-of-jane-tanners-lies.html[/quote]
Sorry, I'm confused now, are you saying that it was included on half board, but not full board or all inclusive??
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I think back in 2007 you could eat at both in the deal. I think, not sure, but the Tapas was taken over sometime last year by another company, therefore it wouldn't now be included. The email Textusa has posted is from July 2010. The Editor of This is Money confirmed that you could eat at both inclusive (in 2007) in this post I put up the other day - he actually stayed there the week before the McCanns .....................
09 May 2007 1:32 PM
My experience of Maddie's resort in Praia de Luz, the Algarve
I need to break from the usual financial slant of posts on this blog. I'm sure you'll understand as I thing's it's important to give my views on this...
My family and I returned last week relaxed from a holiday at the sleepy end of Portugal’s Algarve. We were, however, stunned to wake on Friday morning, days after we returned, to hear news that a girl, three-year-old Madeleine McCann, had gone missing from the same complex, yards from where we stayed.
We picked the Ocean Club resort in Praia de Luz, a quiet village, because of its connections with Mark Warner Holidays. The company has a growing reputation among families for offering comprehensive childcare wrapped in packages with free sports activities, such as tennis and water sports. The balance of a family holiday with time to relax away from the kids is attractive to millions of Britons.
We had a great time, able to spend time together as a family while also having some time out. Sam, our two-year-old son, was well looked after while we lounged by the pool, or why I played tennis or sailed. My wife Andrea and I even made nightly jaunts to local restaurants, a rare treat for new parents.
Luz, as the locals call it, is a laid back resort with a mix of Portugese holidaymakers and locals and, in off-peak May, a smaller number of foreign tourists. A handful of restaurants and bars in the town have a balance of mainly British families and friendly locals. This is an area you would not associate with crime, let alone the abduction of a child.
The Ocean Club has several hubs. One is a 24-hour reception, the other two have swimming pools, restaurants and tennis courts. At their furthest point, these centres are 10 minutes walk apart. In between are Ocean Club apartments mixed with local homes.
The options for childcare were numerous, well organised and of a very high standard. A well-staffed nursery with a child-to-carer ratio that was often just two-to-one, took youngsters from 9.30 to 12.30 every day and from 2.30 to 5.30 in the afternoon.
These creche facilities were next to the poolside Tapas restaurant where Madeleine’s parents were eating when she disappeared.
Madeleine and the younger twins Amelie and Sean were sleeping at the McCanns’ apartment overlooking the swimming pool at the main hub of the resort. Around that pool was the Tapas bar which was in high demand every night. Most guests went to the buffet at the Ocean Club’s Millennium restaurant, a 10-minute walk away from the McCanns’ apartment. But eager guests would queue from 9am to book one of the limited number of tables at the Tapas bar, which served barbecued fish and meat dishes to order. Both restaurants were included in the price of the holiday.
The McCanns’ choice to leave their children at the flat and make regular checks is surprising given the alternatives. In their defence, they may have been expecting, as advertised in Mark Warner brochures, a ‘listening service’. Staff told us that the service had been discontinued because the apartments were too spread out. The resort, however, offered a baby-sitting service for 15 euros (£10) an hour, which was staffed by a member of the daytime nursery teams, or a ‘dining out club’. This involved parents dropping off children at the crèche where they would be supervised watching videos until they went to sleep. Parents would then return before 11.30 to scoop up their sleepy offspring.
I can imagine the McCanns’ dilemma. The ‘dining out club’ was more than a five-minute walk from where the McCanns stayed along cobbled streets or a winding pedestrian path through the apartments. It’s not far - it worked brilliantly for us on most nights - but it would have felt much further if you had to ferry thee children there and back (and hope they were still asleep after doing so). Plus parents were required to wait until children under two, which includes the McCanns’ twins, were asleep. We talked to parents who said this was enough to put them off the option.
The McCanns opted instead to eat 40-50m from their apartment, not much more than a pool’s width away. They hoped it would be just close enough to hear a crying baby but with bar music playing and restaurant hubbub, it wasn’t close enough to hear what happened to Madeleine that night.
I can't imagine what they're going through now. I, along with millions others, only hope they can find her soon and safe.
- Andrew Oxlade, Editor, This is Money
http://anmblog.typepad.com/this_is_money_blog/2007/05/my_experience_o.html
09 May 2007 1:32 PM
My experience of Maddie's resort in Praia de Luz, the Algarve
I need to break from the usual financial slant of posts on this blog. I'm sure you'll understand as I thing's it's important to give my views on this...
My family and I returned last week relaxed from a holiday at the sleepy end of Portugal’s Algarve. We were, however, stunned to wake on Friday morning, days after we returned, to hear news that a girl, three-year-old Madeleine McCann, had gone missing from the same complex, yards from where we stayed.
We picked the Ocean Club resort in Praia de Luz, a quiet village, because of its connections with Mark Warner Holidays. The company has a growing reputation among families for offering comprehensive childcare wrapped in packages with free sports activities, such as tennis and water sports. The balance of a family holiday with time to relax away from the kids is attractive to millions of Britons.
We had a great time, able to spend time together as a family while also having some time out. Sam, our two-year-old son, was well looked after while we lounged by the pool, or why I played tennis or sailed. My wife Andrea and I even made nightly jaunts to local restaurants, a rare treat for new parents.
Luz, as the locals call it, is a laid back resort with a mix of Portugese holidaymakers and locals and, in off-peak May, a smaller number of foreign tourists. A handful of restaurants and bars in the town have a balance of mainly British families and friendly locals. This is an area you would not associate with crime, let alone the abduction of a child.
The Ocean Club has several hubs. One is a 24-hour reception, the other two have swimming pools, restaurants and tennis courts. At their furthest point, these centres are 10 minutes walk apart. In between are Ocean Club apartments mixed with local homes.
The options for childcare were numerous, well organised and of a very high standard. A well-staffed nursery with a child-to-carer ratio that was often just two-to-one, took youngsters from 9.30 to 12.30 every day and from 2.30 to 5.30 in the afternoon.
These creche facilities were next to the poolside Tapas restaurant where Madeleine’s parents were eating when she disappeared.
Madeleine and the younger twins Amelie and Sean were sleeping at the McCanns’ apartment overlooking the swimming pool at the main hub of the resort. Around that pool was the Tapas bar which was in high demand every night. Most guests went to the buffet at the Ocean Club’s Millennium restaurant, a 10-minute walk away from the McCanns’ apartment. But eager guests would queue from 9am to book one of the limited number of tables at the Tapas bar, which served barbecued fish and meat dishes to order. Both restaurants were included in the price of the holiday.
The McCanns’ choice to leave their children at the flat and make regular checks is surprising given the alternatives. In their defence, they may have been expecting, as advertised in Mark Warner brochures, a ‘listening service’. Staff told us that the service had been discontinued because the apartments were too spread out. The resort, however, offered a baby-sitting service for 15 euros (£10) an hour, which was staffed by a member of the daytime nursery teams, or a ‘dining out club’. This involved parents dropping off children at the crèche where they would be supervised watching videos until they went to sleep. Parents would then return before 11.30 to scoop up their sleepy offspring.
I can imagine the McCanns’ dilemma. The ‘dining out club’ was more than a five-minute walk from where the McCanns stayed along cobbled streets or a winding pedestrian path through the apartments. It’s not far - it worked brilliantly for us on most nights - but it would have felt much further if you had to ferry thee children there and back (and hope they were still asleep after doing so). Plus parents were required to wait until children under two, which includes the McCanns’ twins, were asleep. We talked to parents who said this was enough to put them off the option.
The McCanns opted instead to eat 40-50m from their apartment, not much more than a pool’s width away. They hoped it would be just close enough to hear a crying baby but with bar music playing and restaurant hubbub, it wasn’t close enough to hear what happened to Madeleine that night.
I can't imagine what they're going through now. I, along with millions others, only hope they can find her soon and safe.
- Andrew Oxlade, Editor, This is Money
http://anmblog.typepad.com/this_is_money_blog/2007/05/my_experience_o.html
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Re: Jane Tanner Liar?
Found this written just before 4th Anniversary of Madeleine going missing ( 25 April 2011) I'm sure I read that it was under different management, but anyway it definitely doesn't open at night .........................
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There have been subtle changes, too, in the Ocean complex. On the night their daughter was snatched, the McCanns and seven other British couples in their party, dined in the complex, leaving all their children – in adjacent apartments – alone. They did not lock the doors, fearing the children would be trapped should a fire break out. Neither did they pay for a baby-sitting service, saying they didn’t want to leave their children with strangers. Instead, in a decision that will forever haunt the couple, they opted to take turns checking on all the sleeping children at half-hourly intervals.
Today, the dining area has been turned into a pizzeria and is no longer open in the evenings.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/8469932/Madeleine-McCann-time-to-forget.html
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There have been subtle changes, too, in the Ocean complex. On the night their daughter was snatched, the McCanns and seven other British couples in their party, dined in the complex, leaving all their children – in adjacent apartments – alone. They did not lock the doors, fearing the children would be trapped should a fire break out. Neither did they pay for a baby-sitting service, saying they didn’t want to leave their children with strangers. Instead, in a decision that will forever haunt the couple, they opted to take turns checking on all the sleeping children at half-hourly intervals.
Today, the dining area has been turned into a pizzeria and is no longer open in the evenings.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/8469932/Madeleine-McCann-time-to-forget.html
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Re: Jane Tanner Liar?
twitter - from spudgun...............
Mike Spudgun (@spudgun01)
Posted Tuesday 13th September 2011 from Twitlonger
#McCanns Jane Tanner clarifies the confusion surrounding her ever-changing witness statements:-
when she was interviewed by Leicestershire Police in April 2008. When asked to describe the man she saw in detail, she stated, (verbatim):
“You see, this is where, now, I'm really... I don't even know whether it's worth doing this, because there's been so much since then. I've had the... when they took me round for the surveillance to look at... and I'm guessing now it's MURAT they wanted me to look at and, you know.........all the other bits and bobs, I really don't know, but I think I'd prefer just to stick with what I said in my original statement, in terms of the... because, even... I mean, this is coming back to the sketch, even when I did the sketch, by that stage, you know, things were... were murky..... I needed to do that sketch that first night, I mean, they took me in to do the sketch, but they only had, errm... front facing software, so...you know... and at that point I said, you know, is there?... can I do?... because the clothes and everything was the thing... was the thing that was the most in my mind then and I can remember saying to the chap I met on the stairs earlier......”
Got that?. Good...............
http://spudgunsspoutings.blogspot.com/2011/03/kates-book-madeleine-no1-in-bestseller.html
Mike Spudgun (@spudgun01)
Posted Tuesday 13th September 2011 from Twitlonger
#McCanns Jane Tanner clarifies the confusion surrounding her ever-changing witness statements:-
when she was interviewed by Leicestershire Police in April 2008. When asked to describe the man she saw in detail, she stated, (verbatim):
“You see, this is where, now, I'm really... I don't even know whether it's worth doing this, because there's been so much since then. I've had the... when they took me round for the surveillance to look at... and I'm guessing now it's MURAT they wanted me to look at and, you know.........all the other bits and bobs, I really don't know, but I think I'd prefer just to stick with what I said in my original statement, in terms of the... because, even... I mean, this is coming back to the sketch, even when I did the sketch, by that stage, you know, things were... were murky..... I needed to do that sketch that first night, I mean, they took me in to do the sketch, but they only had, errm... front facing software, so...you know... and at that point I said, you know, is there?... can I do?... because the clothes and everything was the thing... was the thing that was the most in my mind then and I can remember saying to the chap I met on the stairs earlier......”
Got that?. Good...............
http://spudgunsspoutings.blogspot.com/2011/03/kates-book-madeleine-no1-in-bestseller.html
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Re: Jane Tanner Liar?
Is it me but I always have great difficulty trying to make any sort of sense with what Jane Tanner says. I mean, you know,I mean, I'm english and I am struggling so it must be impossible for the Portuguese Police, you know, I mean! Not a very bright flower that one
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Erm err tut
ALL the Tapas 9 stutter their way through the investigations.
If they were telling the truth, their statements would be clear and they wouldn't be trying to hide behind errs and umms and "I forgets".
If they were telling the truth, their statements would be clear and they wouldn't be trying to hide behind errs and umms and "I forgets".
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