Martin Grime facts and explanations
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I thought it was already in the library, but just had a look but could not see it, so I will add it to there now, as it explains quite a lot.
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| FORENSIC COLLECTIONS IN THE PM OF 4 MAY 2007 | |||||
| 9 PROCESSO IX- 2311 | |||||
| Pictures of the wardrobe without the blue bag, in the detailed report that started at 15:30pm of 4 May when the forensic material was collected. | |||||
| parent cupboard, p.m. 4 May photo 18 a 20 | |||||
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| 09-VOLUME-IXa.. The hair collections from the bed: ten markers seen in the pictures but the INML report states that only four hairs were in the sealed envelope that they received for analysis | |||||
| bed forensics p.m. 4 May photo 28 a 30 | |||||
| 09-VOLUME-IXa-bedcollection | |||||
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| FRONT DOOR LOCK | |||||
| 09_VOLUME_IXa_Page_2318 | |||||
| 5A FORENSIC_04_05_07 | |||||
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It is the first time official images of the Praia da Luz apartment have been released.
Thanks to Pamalam http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/PJ-PHOTOS.htm |

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WOTW he writings of the wrongs on the cost of hire for Eddie
Grime claims that in a 6 year period in Britain, Eddie was deployed over 200 times. This disclosure under Freedom of Information (FOI) indicates just 37 deployments in the 5 year period 2003-2007.
Either Eddie must have had one very busy year or Grime has got his sums wrong.
http://www.southyorks.police.uk/foi/disclosurelog/20090062
Some States in America use human cadavers to train cadaver dogs on what are known as ‘body farms’. Grime claims that Eddie has been trained on such a farm in the States. An FOI answer to a question I have submitted cited parts of a Personal Development review for the Year 2005-6 when it was stated that Eddie (then aged 5 or 6, and close to retirement) had been to the States for that training. The cited justification was, not that it would improve Eddie’s performance, but that it would “generate some income potential”.
Until his last day of service, the daily cost of hiring Eddie was just £10. And no documention confirming this apparent trip was ever received by SYP.
http://madeleine-writingthewrongs.com/2011/09/01/steel-magnolia-and-the-enigmatic-martin-grime/
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I find that hard to believe
dragonfly wrote:the writings of the wrongs on the cost of hire for Eddie
Grime claims that in a 6 year period in Britain, Eddie was deployed over 200 times. This disclosure under Freedom of Information (FOI) indicates just 37 deployments in the 5 year period 2003-2007.
Either Eddie must have had one very busy year or Grime has got his sums wrong.
http://www.southyorks.police.uk/foi/disclosurelog/20090062
Some States in America use human cadavers to train cadaver dogs on what are known as ‘body farms’. Grime claims that Eddie has been trained on such a farm in the States. An FOI answer to a question I have submitted cited parts of a Personal Development review for the Year 2005-6 when it was stated that Eddie (then aged 5 or 6, and close to retirement) had been to the States for that training. The cited justification was, not that it would improve Eddie’s performance, but that it would “generate some income potential”.
Until his last day of service, the daily cost of hiring Eddie was just £10. And no documention confirming this apparent trip was ever received by SYP.
http://madeleine-writingthewrongs.com/2011/09/01/steel-magnolia-and-the-enigmatic-martin-grime/
Since the findings of the dogs are crucial evidence, it makes sense to dismantle that. However, I find it hard to believe for a start, that hiring the dog was £ 10,00 a day. Can this be substantiated? Certainly cheaper for Grimes to stay home and take them for a run in the woods.
No documentation for this trip sounds even weirder. So he just went there on his tod, with the dogs, quite an expensive trip.
Grimes certainly didn't court publicity. Did his job, recorded the findings and went off.
Documentation for this wouldn't have been sent to SY anyway, but to LP. SY has only recently taken this investigation over. Perhaps all this wonderful 'evidence' is from a pro site?
They really must learn to field some credible arguments, this is so long past the time it happened. I believe Grimes is working in the US lately? It wouldn't look professional to discuss any case with anyone.

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I don't know why people are so dismissive of Martin Grime "over there on those other sites"! (well we do actually, coz it doesn't suit them to think outside the script). If he trains or has trained dogs for the police, military, worked with the FBI, they are pretty impressive credentials. Do the detractors know how silly they sound when discrediting something that has an outstanding success record? And would they been so keen to dismiss a sniffer dog that alerted to a potential explosive device on an aeroplane they were about to board? "Move out the way, I have a flight to catch, the dogs are wrong!" Like hell they would. Or if indeed the dogs had alerted at Murats in the early days? No they would take it as concrete evidence that Murat was involved! Thats what thoroughly hacks me off about their hollow arguements.
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I find it amusing that the Pro’s so often agonise over the question as to why antis would want to accuse and condemn people they have never met.
Conversely I find the question rattling round my own mind is why the Pro’s would distort and discredit any and all information which indicates guilt against people they have never met!
The only conclusion I can come to is that they are all suffering from an extreme form of what can only be called Princess Diana syndrome. You’ll recall the massive outpouring of grief over someone 99.9% of the public had never met yet appeared to be as devastated by her death as they would by the death of a member of their own family.
So we have Pro’s discrediting the work of the dogs, even though none of them are experts in this field and none of them know truly how the dog’s work.
They refuse to accept the fact that Grimes was brought in on the recommendation of Mark Harrison, they refuse to accept the findings of the dog, they accuse Grime of leading the dogs and they refuse to accept the deposition and statement Grime signed.
All because they know in their heart of hearts that these two doctors (who they’ve never met) must be innocent.
The bottom line on the dogs work is that Grime signed his statement outlining his findings and it has never been refuted or questioned either by his superiors within Plod or indeed by the McCann’s (well apart from when Gerry tried to discredit it at the beginning and was then proven so spectacularly wrong at which point he’s gone rather quiet on the subject)
But no Grime’s claims are wrong and he therefore must be a liar.
The Pro’s like to patronise over the “mad” conspiracy theories that some Anti’s put forward. However they now claim that Amaral was a bent copper trying to fit them up, Rebello was as well, now Grimes is a liar leading the dogs to find evidence against their leaders.
It’s amazing how many people these pro’s think are in on this grand conspiracy to fit up two provincial non entities from Leicestershire.
They’ll be trying to find dirt on the Appeals court judges next (the ones who clearly validated Amaral’s book and thesis) to try and add them to this grand conspiracy.
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What is certain is that since the start of the investigation there were incongruent and even contradictory situations concerning the witness statements; the telephone records of calls that were made and received on mobile phones that belonged to the couple and to the group of friends that were on holidays with them; the movements of people right after the disappearance of the little girl was noticed, concerning the state in which the bedroom from where the child disappeared from was found (closed window? open window? partially open window?) etc., and the mystery would only become even thicker due to the clues that were left by the already mentioned sniffer dogs. - The Words of a JUDGE in relation to the McCanns
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tigger wrote:dragonfly wrote:the writings of the wrongs on the cost of hire for Eddie
Grime claims that in a 6 year period in Britain, Eddie was deployed over 200 times. This disclosure under Freedom of Information (FOI) indicates just 37 deployments in the 5 year period 2003-2007.
Either Eddie must have had one very busy year or Grime has got his sums wrong.
http://www.southyorks.police.uk/foi/disclosurelog/20090062
Some States in America use human cadavers to train cadaver dogs on what are known as ‘body farms’. Grime claims that Eddie has been trained on such a farm in the States. An FOI answer to a question I have submitted cited parts of a Personal Development review for the Year 2005-6 when it was stated that Eddie (then aged 5 or 6, and close to retirement) had been to the States for that training. The cited justification was, not that it would improve Eddie’s performance, but that it would “generate some income potential”.
Until his last day of service, the daily cost of hiring Eddie was just £10. And no documention confirming this apparent trip was ever received by SYP.
http://madeleine-writingthewrongs.com/2011/09/01/steel-magnolia-and-the-enigmatic-martin-grime/
Since the findings of the dogs are crucial evidence, it makes sense to dismantle that. However, I find it hard to believe for a start, that hiring the dog was £ 10,00 a day. Can this be substantiated? Certainly cheaper for Grimes to stay home and take them for a run in the woods.
No documentation for this trip sounds even weirder. So he just went there on his tod, with the dogs, quite an expensive trip.
Grimes certainly didn't court publicity. Did his job, recorded the findings and went off.
Documentation for this wouldn't have been sent to SY anyway, but to LP. SY has only recently taken this investigation over. Perhaps all this wonderful 'evidence' is from a pro site?
They really must learn to field some credible arguments, this is so long past the time it happened. I believe Grimes is working in the US lately? It wouldn't look professional to discuss any case with anyone.
It's the official FB find madeleine page which promotes the WOTW link and highlights this blog to all the followers , it is normally Kate or web master who puts the postings up, wotw also has mentioned jayelles work as well on their blogs,
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Stella wrote:Can I just remind everyone that this is a thread about Martin Grime and we need to keep it on topic please.
Will be splitting this and putting it in the crime section.
Just snip it then, you need to change half the the threads, loads are off topic, Marian asked a question , It is only polite to respond, Not only that if you have access to do that, you can then merge some threads together, for instance I wanted to add to a Pat Brown topic, but people just open up new threads when it can all be kept in one ,
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well said Smokeandmirrors