The Complete Mystery of Madeleine McCann™
Welcome to 'The Complete Mystery of Madeleine McCann' forum 🌹

Please log in, or register to view all the forums as some of them are 'members only', then settle in and help us get to the truth about what really happened to Madeleine Beth McCann.

When you register please do NOT use your email address for a username because everyone will be able to see it!

Early Doors by Dr Martin Roberts Mm11

Early Doors by Dr Martin Roberts Regist10
The Complete Mystery of Madeleine McCann™
Welcome to 'The Complete Mystery of Madeleine McCann' forum 🌹

Please log in, or register to view all the forums as some of them are 'members only', then settle in and help us get to the truth about what really happened to Madeleine Beth McCann.

When you register please do NOT use your email address for a username because everyone will be able to see it!

Early Doors by Dr Martin Roberts Mm11

Early Doors by Dr Martin Roberts Regist10

Early Doors by Dr Martin Roberts

View previous topic View next topic Go down

Early Doors by Dr Martin Roberts Empty Early Doors by Dr Martin Roberts

Post by Guest 25.01.11 11:20

By Dr Martin Roberts
25 January 2011


EARLY DOORS


All the world's a stage (including the Portuguese Algarve where, according to Gerry McCann, 'everyone is acting, some in big ways.'). And all the players have their exits and their entrances - doors and windows to you and me.

The Telegraph of 5 May, 2007 quoted Trish Cameron, Gerry McCann's sister, who candidly relays information passed to her by Gerry.

"They had put the kids to bed at 7pm and checked on them every half an hour as they had dinner nearby with the rest of the party. Gerry said the window was open, the shutters broken and the door, which had been locked, hanging open."

The Sun of May 5 offered a corroborative account, helpfully extended to provide additional justification for a locked apartment:

"Kate went back at 10pm to check. The front door was lying open, the window had been tampered with, the shutters had been jemmied open and Maddie was missing."

"He (Gerry) said, 'Maddie's been abducted, she's been abducted'. Nothing else was touched in the apartment, no valuables taken, no passports."

The window was obviously an aperture on the world outside. But so too was the door in this case. It had been locked. And since it was found 'hanging open' it must have been the front door hanging on its hinges, not the patio door, which slid on rails, or an interior door which did not lock at all. The merciless abductor must therefore have broken in through the window and taken the easy route out via the front door.

Several paragraphs on from Trish Cameron's regurgitation of Gerry McCann's tale, the Telegraph offers Jon Corner's complementary regurgitation of Kate's:

"She just blurted out that Madeleine had been abducted. She told me, 'They have broken the shutter on the window and taken my little girl.'

"They had left the apartment locked while they were having their meal, but when they went back the last time they saw the damage.

"First they saw one of the window shutters had been forced, and then they saw the door was open and the bed was empty - and Madeleine was gone."

The McCanns' friends and relatives were not at all reticent when it came to sharing the information given them directly, and separately, by the McCanns themselves. As both accounts appear to converge, the reader has reason to accept their accuracy. Well of course we have long known that the claim of damage to the window fittings was false, although both parents made that claim independently (John Hill, boss of the Ocean Club complex, was reported by the Sun to have insisted there was NO physical evidence Maddie had been abducted from the apartment. He said: "We are still hoping Madeleine is asleep under a bush and we'll find her soon.").

Then there is the issue of the patio doors having been unlocked after all, sparing the abductor the tedium of breaking and entering, whilst allowing him (or her) to 'get out of the window fairly easily.' But even the most cortically challenged of intruders is unlikely to enter via a door then leave through a window. Hence we have since been treated to a post hoc supposition by Kate McCann that the window may have been opened by the abductor as a 'red herring.' And the front door 'hanging open'? What was that - a blue whale?

Corner's repetition of Kate McCann's version of events is additionally problematic.

"First they saw one of the window shutters had been forced… (So they must have entered the apartment from the front, not the rear, using a key if the door was locked).

… and then they saw the door was open …(Suggesting that the front door was indeed ‘hanging open’).

…and the bed was empty - and Madeleine was gone.”

But in-between the front door and the empty bed was the bedroom door which, as we have since been told, 'was open much further than we'd left it.' Did this obvious interference with the apartment's interior pass unnoticed therefore, or was Kate, through Jon Corner, referring to the bedroom door in the first place? That must be it. The McCanns entered through the rear of the apartment, noticed the door to the children's bedroom was open and then saw the empty bed. But if that's what Kate reported then they can only have seen the damaged window shutter last, not first. Not only that. On seeing the open bedroom door (from across the apartment) they then approached the bedroom itself, but without noticing the open front door, which must have been closed after all, leaving the abductor to skidaddle through the patio doors, carrying a prostrate Madeleine across both arms (as described by Jane Tanner).

Why, indeed how, did the intruder close the patio door behind him? Matthew Oldfield, doing his post abduction check, went in through an unlocked patio door not a wide open one. Nor did he spot that 'the door, which had been locked' (according to Gerry McCann), i.e. the front door, was 'hanging open.' Though he claims not to have entered beyond said bedroom door himself, he will at least have noticed if it was open. But even if it was this door which was 'hanging open' it couldn't previously have been locked, and could not therefore have been the door to which Gerry McCann had earlier referred.

All of this inconsistency is entirely consistent - with equally inconsistent statements made to the police. In fact they are so inconsistent, both within and between deponents, that one or more must be false. The following extracts pertain to events of the Thursday unless otherwise indicated:

Gerry McCann (4 May, 2007)

'at 9.05 pm, the deponent entered the club (sic), using his key, the door being locked.'

'At around 9.30 pm, his friend MATT … went into the deponent's apartment, going in through a sliding glass door at the side of the building, which was always unlocked.'

'KATE ……went into the apartment through the door using her key.'

'The side door that opens into the living room….was never locked, was closed.'

'Reads, confirms, ratifies and signs.'

Kate McCann (4 May, 2007)

'She went into the apartment by the side door, which was closed, but unlocked.'

'Reads, confirms, ratifies and signs.'

Gerry McCann (10 May, 2007)

(Sunday) 'They left the house through the main door, that he was sure he locked, and the back door was also closed and locked.'

'Dinner ended at around 23h00.... On that day (Sunday), only the deponent and his wife entered the apartment. He is sure that they always entered through the front door, not knowing if they locked it upon leaving.'

(Wednesday) 'Apart from the deponent and his wife, he thinks that DAVID PAYNE also went to his apartment to check that his children were well, not having reported to him any abnormal situation with the children. On this day, the deponent and KATE had already left the back door closed, but not locked, to allow entrance by their group colleagues to check on the children. He clarifies that the main door was always closed but not necessarily locked with the key.'

(Thursday) 'He walked the normal route up to the back door, which being open he only had to slide.'

'Three to four minutes later MATHEW returned… having entered through the back door, given that he did not have the key and it was usual for them to enter in that way.'

'22h03, he again alerted KATE that it was time to check the children. She immediately made her way to the apartment by the usual path, having entered through the back door.'

'Reads, confirms, ratifies and signs.'

Kate McCann (6 September, 2007)

'They left through the balcony door, which they left closed but not locked. Main door was closed but not locked. She thinks it could be opened from the inside but not from the outside.'

'GERRY was the first one to check on the children, this was decided on the spot, at around 9-9:05 p.m. He got up from the table and entered the apartment through the balcony door.'

'At 9:30 p.m. ...MATTHEW...said he could check on her children...After less than ten minutes MATTHEW returned...she assumed he had checked on her children, entering through the balcony door which was closed but not locked.'

'At 10 p.m. she got up from the table, as it was her turn after having been replaced by MATT. She entered the apartment by the balcony door which was closed, but as already said, not locked.'

Reads, confirms, ratifies and signs, as do the interpreter and the defence lawyer.

One could be forgiven for thinking that police questioning was a 'multiple-choice' exercise and that, given the same template on separate days respondents may reasonably be expected to opt for different answers. A typical question might be set out as follows:

'McCanns exit the apartment leaving the front door (a) locked (b) unlocked? On their return they each enter via (a) the locked front door (b) the unlocked front door (c ) the unlocked patio door (d) separate doors?

(Hint: Be careful to take account of the day of the week in your answer. The patio door, for example, was locked on Sunday).

Some will no doubt wish to conclude that the lion's share of all this confusion is the result of misunderstandings on the part of distant interlocutors. As strange as it may seem, that different second-hand accounts should err in the same direction despite having been derived from separate independent sources, i.e. Kate and Gerry McCann, perhaps one should allow a 'casting vote;' an account by someone other than the McCanns, who was herself present in Praia Da Luz and at the end of a buffet table as opposed to a telephone. Martin Fricker and Rod Chaytor of the Daily Mirror gave this person a public voice on 5 May, 2007, barely 48 hrs after the initial announcement of Madeleine's disappearance:

A woman friend of the McCanns - one of their holiday party of nine adults and eight children - said: "We went for dinner at 8.45 p.m. in a restaurant near the apartments as we've done every night.

"A parent from each family went back to check on the children every half hour.

"Someone checked at 9.15. But when Kate went later Madeleine had gone.

"The window shutters, which had been closed since we arrived on Saturday, were open along with the window. They can be opened from the outside.

"The window opens on to a car park. The door to the room was shut. It looks as if someone has come through the window and possibly left through the door."

Well it gets no better does it. Window shutters, although merely open, (not 'smashed', as Jon Corner goes on to describe Kate as having told him later in this same report) 'can be opened from the outside.' Not when the winding mechanism's an interior fitting they can't. Unless Corner/Kate are right and the shutters were 'smashed.' But they weren't. And the door to the room was? 'Shut.' So not 'open much further than they'd left it' then.

As early as 5 May therefore, and courtesy of an anonymous member of the Tapas group, an unsuspecting world was given all the information it and the Portuguese police needed in order to progress the search for Madeleine:

'It looks as if someone has come through the window and possibly left through the door.'

The characteristics of a well executed Trompe-l'oeil are also that 'it looks as if...' In other words, a beguiling illusion.


With thanks to the mccannfiles

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id232.html

Anonymous
Guest
Guest


Back to top Go down

Early Doors by Dr Martin Roberts Empty Re: Early Doors by Dr Martin Roberts

Post by Guest 25.01.11 12:01

Brilliant piece again. thumbsup It's truly amazing how there are so many inconsistencies in the statements given on various dates. This should have been followed up rigorously, totally unbelievable!!! angry
Anonymous
Guest
Guest


Back to top Go down

Early Doors by Dr Martin Roberts Empty Re: Early Doors by Dr Martin Roberts

Post by Judge Mental 25.01.11 12:46

candyfloss wrote:Brilliant piece again. thumbsup It's truly amazing how there are so many inconsistencies in the statements given on various dates. This should have been followed up rigorously, totally unbelievable!!! angry

Have to agree with Roberts. Noting Corner's version of events again, is a comfortable reminder that the Tapas 9's original versions of events are the ones the prosecution will be using against them. big grin


Corner's repetition of Kate McCann's version of events is additionally problematic.

"First they saw one of the window shutters had been forced… (So they must have entered the apartment from the front, not the rear, using a key if the door was locked).

… and then they saw the door was open …(Suggesting that the front door was indeed ‘hanging open’).

…and the bed was empty - and Madeleine was gone.”
Judge Mental
Judge Mental

Posts : 2762
Activity : 2960
Likes received : 2
Join date : 2010-03-17
Age : 87
Location : Chambers

Back to top Go down

Early Doors by Dr Martin Roberts Empty Re: Early Doors by Dr Martin Roberts

Post by YNG 25.01.11 12:52

The more I try to make sense of their version of events the more confused I get lol!

Good Article Early Doors by Dr Martin Roberts 0197
avatar
YNG

Posts : 410
Activity : 416
Likes received : 0
Join date : 2010-11-02

Back to top Go down

Early Doors by Dr Martin Roberts Empty Re: Early Doors by Dr Martin Roberts

Post by Judge Mental 25.01.11 13:36

YNG wrote:The more I try to make sense of their version of events the more confused I get lol!

Good Article Early Doors by Dr Martin Roberts 0197

McCannically speaking, confusion is good. Especially when we cannot distinguish truth from lies and fact from fiction.

Gerald McCann is usually a great source of quotations with regard to the above. The only trouble with his quotes is that they are rather like him. In that they seem quite innocuous and ineffectual on the surface, yet there is a lot more going on underneath. Consequently, one can never quote him directly, or without referring back to where he has stated something. He simply does not have the knack of saying something that people will remember. Most probably because we are far too busy watching him twitching and fidgeting as he squeaks and squawks his way through his scripts. Perhaps some lessons in logos, pathos, and ethos before the libel trial would be of benefit?

Judge Mental
Judge Mental

Posts : 2762
Activity : 2960
Likes received : 2
Join date : 2010-03-17
Age : 87
Location : Chambers

Back to top Go down

Early Doors by Dr Martin Roberts Empty Re: Early Doors by Dr Martin Roberts

Post by Guest 25.01.11 14:23

Exactly Judge, confusion is good. That is precisely why the PJ wanted a reconstruction to watch these amazing comings and goings. Through patio doors, through sliding doors, doors left ajar, etc., people up and down like yo yo's God knows when they all found time to eat big grin It certainly would have been interesting to watch that!! thinking
Anonymous
Guest
Guest


Back to top Go down

Early Doors by Dr Martin Roberts Empty Re: Early Doors by Dr Martin Roberts

Post by Judge Mental 25.01.11 15:58

candyfloss wrote:Exactly Judge, confusion is good. That is precisely why the PJ wanted a reconstruction to watch these amazing comings and goings. Through patio doors, through sliding doors, doors left ajar, etc., people up and down like yo yo's God knows when they all found time to eat big grin It certainly would have been interesting to watch that!! thinking

laugh laugh

Can you imagine it?

''Right Dave, you go first. Was it 30 seconds or 30 minutes you were at 5A?''
''Errr dunno. Let's say it was quarter of an hour, so that I'm not wrong and you're not wrong.''
''Deal!''
''So had you just had a shower or were you about to have a shower?''
''Errr dunno. Let's scrap that unless the police specifically ask us again.''
''So where were you Gerry?''
'' Errrr scrap that.''
''So where were you all afternoon Kate?''
''Jogging.''
Where did you jog to?''
''Scrap that.''
''Let's start with us all sitting at the table in the restaurant. Who arrived first?''
''Scrap that.''
''Who arrived last?''
''Scrap that.''
''Did Jane ever arrive?''
''Yes! And a special point should be made about that! Jane was definitely there all the time because we all saw her.''
''Are we all agreed we were not wearing watches or carrying a phone?''
''Absolutely definitely. We are all agreed on that. And may I add, we all trust each other implicitly about everything!''
''Great stuff. Now we're cooking!''
''Jane, were you wearing jeans that night?''
''No. I definitely did not take jeans on holiday.''
''Kate, were you wearing your ganga pants?''
''No. Scrap that.''
''Gerry, did you have your buttoned pants on, that Aoife Smith thinks she saw?''
''No! So scrap that.''

To be continued.


Judge Mental
Judge Mental

Posts : 2762
Activity : 2960
Likes received : 2
Join date : 2010-03-17
Age : 87
Location : Chambers

Back to top Go down

Early Doors by Dr Martin Roberts Empty Re: Early Doors by Dr Martin Roberts

Post by Guest 25.01.11 16:09

Judge Mental wrote:
candyfloss wrote:Exactly Judge, confusion is good. That is precisely why the PJ wanted a reconstruction to watch these amazing comings and goings. Through patio doors, through sliding doors, doors left ajar, etc., people up and down like yo yo's God knows when they all found time to eat big grin It certainly would have been interesting to watch that!! thinking

laugh laugh

Can you imagine it?

''Right Dave, you go first. Was it 30 seconds or 30 minutes you were at 5A?''
''Errr dunno. Let's say it was quarter of an hour, so that I'm not wrong and you're not wrong.''
''Deal!''
So had you just had a shower or are you about to have a shower?
''Errr dunno. Let's scrap that unless the police specifically ask us again.''
''So where were you Gerry?''
'' Errrr scrap that.''
''So where were you all afternoon Kate?''
''Jogging.''
Where did you jog to?''
''Scrap that.''
''Let's start with us all sitting at the table in the restaurant. Who arrived first?''
''Scrap that.''
''Who arrived last?''
''Scrap that.''
''Did Jane ever arrive?''
''Yes! And a special point should be made about that! Jane was definitely there all the time because we all saw her.''
''Are we all agreed we were not wearing watches or carrying a phone?''
''Absolutely definitely. We are all agreed on that. And may I add, we all trust each other implicitly about everything!''
''Great stuff. Now we're cooking!''
''Jane, were you wearing jeans that night?''
''No. I definitely did not take jeans on holiday.''
''Kate, were you wearing your ganga pants?''
''No. Scrap that.''
''Gerry, did you have your buttoned pants on, that Aoife Smith thinks she saw?''
''No! So scrap that.''

To be continued.





rotfl laugh laugh


Just like this laugh Goes black after few mins but you get the idea!!!!



[youtube]


Early Doors by Dr Martin Roberts 9_mp_t11
Early Doors by Dr Martin Roberts 10_og_10