Madeleine McCann investigators join detectives at scene of Suzy Lamplugh search
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Madeleine McCann investigators join detectives at scene of Suzy Lamplugh search
by NickE 01.11.18 11:57
A forensic team which assisted with the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann are helping search for the remains of Suzy Lamplugh.
Police looking for the remains of the estate agent, who went missing 32 years ago, are continuing for a fourth day.
Miss Lamplugh, 25, disappeared after meeting a client known only as 'Mr Kipper' at an address in Fulham, west London, in 1986.
No-one was convicted over her death but in 1994 she was officially declared dead, presumed murdered.
Specialist forensics teams have been focusing their activity on the rear garden of a semi-detached house in Sutton Coldfield, West Midlands, which once belonged to the mother of prime suspect John Cannan.
Suzy Lamplugh disappeared in 1986(Image: Mirrorpix)
Madeleine McCann disappeared during a family holiday in Portugal as her parents ate in a nearby restaurant(Image: PA)
A specialist team from Alecto Forensics enter the back garden of a property in Sutton Coldfield, West Midlands(Image: PA)
The same team, Alecto Forensics, were also involved in the search for Madeleine McCann, who has been missing since May 2007.
Maddie disappeared during a family holiday in Portugal as her parents Kate and Gerry were eating in a nearby restaurant.
The Metropolitan Police are leading the search at the property, where officers have dismantled a car garage and used angle grinders to dig through its concrete base at the edge of the yard.
On Wednesday, two more blue forensics tents were put up at the immediate rear of the home and patio slabs could be seen stacked nearby.
Investigations have continued into Thursday, with the house's current owner, insurance marketer Phillip Carey, saying activity could continue into next week.
Police officers were pictured searching the garden of a property in Sutton Coldfield, Birmingham(Image: Tristan Potter / SWNS.com)
Cops stressed that the current occupants of the property were in no way connected to the investigation(Image: Tristan Potter / SWNS.com)
An aerial view of the search, showing a blue tent(Image: Francis Hawkins / SWNS.com)
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Speaking to reporters on his doorstep, the 52-year-old said: "They could still find a body. It's 50/50.
"The house isn't a priority, and they've told me they'll put things back the way they found them."
Asked whether there were any signs the search was coming to an end, he replied: "Probably not today".
The father-of-two, who bought the house from Cannan's mother, Sheila, 26 years ago, added: "I would like to say 'No, the searches won't go into next week' but I really don't know.
"I just get told 'This is what we're doing' and let them get on with it."
Police carried out investigations at the address in 2003, following a case review in 2000, but did not dig up the garden.
A Met Police spokesman said: "In 2000, the MPS carried out a progress review of the investigation into the disappearance of Suzy Lamplugh.
"This review was in line with the Met's murder investigation policy at that time.
"The review led to a re-investigation, under Detective Superintendent Jim Dickie."
In 2002, Met Police made the unusual step of naming John Cannan as the prime suspect(Image: south west news service)
The search follows information received in relation to a historical unsolved investigation, police confirmed(Image: Tristan Potter / SWNS.com)
An officer is pictured during the search in Sutton Coldfield (Image: Tristan Potter / SWNS.com)
A police vehicle is pictured in the area(Image: Tristan Potter / SWNS.com)
Mr Dickie, who led the inquiry between 2000 and 2006, confirmed that his officers did not dig or perform an "extensive" search of the home.
"We had no evidence or intelligence to lead us to believe that John Cannan may have secreted Suzy's body there," he told the BBC.
Convicted murderer Cannan, who is currently in jail for rape and murder, was named as prime suspect by police in 2002 and Miss Lamplugh's death has remained one of the UK's most notorious cold cases.
It is not the first time the garden has been the focus of officers investigating her murder, after searches were carried out in 2003, into early 2004.
Miss Lamplugh's brother, Richard, said he hoped her body would be found at the property in Sutton Coldfield so the family could say a "proper goodbye".
"It has been a long time and we have had our expectations raised before but it would nice if we could finally have some closure," he told the Mail Online.
The specialist firm Alecto Forensics, which assisted with the investigation into the disappearance of Madeliene McCann, has been at the scene along with officers from the Met and West Midlands Police
On Thursday, white-suited forensics officers could be seen adjusting the blue tarpaulins which protect the scene.
The Met stressed that the current occupants of the property are in no way connected to the investigation.
Cannan, who was jailed for life in 1989 for the rape and murder of Bristol newlywed Shirley Banks, was named as the prime suspect by police in 2002.
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Suzy disappeared at the age of 25 in Fulham, south west London(Image: PA)
The Metropolitan Police last night would not confirm what case the search related to(Image: Tristan Potter / SWNS.com)
A police van can be seen close to a blue tent(Image: PA)
It has been reported that the search is at the former home of Cannan's mother(Image: Francis Hawkins / SWNS.com)
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On the day of her disappearance, witnesses reported seeing Miss Lamplugh argue with a man outside a property in Shorrolds Road, Fulham, west London.
Three days earlier, Cannan had been released from a hostel at Wormwood Scrubs Prison, where he had been serving a six-year sentence for rape.
He bore a strong resemblance to an e-fit of the abductor and, according to reports, he was nicknamed Kipper while serving his earlier sentence.
In 2002, reports claimed that Cannan had buried Miss Lamplugh's body under his mother's patio in the West Midlands.
A Scotland Yard spokesman at the time said the theory was "something we are currently considering", but did not confirm reports that they planned to excavate the garden in the coming days.
The force has declined to comment on why the dig was taking place now, citing the sensitivity of the operation, but a statement said it followed "information received" by the investigation.
No-one has been convicted over Miss Lamplugh's death and she was presumed dead in 1994.
It is not the first site to be excavated in the search for her remains. Police twice carried out digs at sites in Worcestershire, first near Norton Barracks in 2000 and then a meadow several miles away in 2010.
Cannan, now 64, has been questioned several times over the murder but continues to deny the allegation.
Miss Lamplugh's parents, Paul and Diana, set up the Suzy Lamplugh Trust to support victims of stalking. Both died before seeing their daughter's killer brought to justice.
This picture, taken in 1993, shows Suzy's parents Diana and Paul Lamplugh(Image: PA)
A tent is visible behind the garden fence of the property where police have been searching(Image: PA)
The trust said the latest development is a reminder of the "continuing tragedy", adding: "The thoughts of everyone at Suzy Lamplugh Trust are with Suzy's family today."
Cannan was ordered to serve a minimum of 35 years in prison, meaning he would be eligible to be considered for parole from 2024.
But the then Lord Chief Justice, Lord Lane, said he would "probably never be safe to release".
House-holder Mr Carey said the latest search is a "surreal" experience, and added:
"Either (the property) is eliminated from it entirely or, if there is something found, it's closure for the family, and this tragic story can come to an end."
Police looking for the remains of the estate agent, who went missing 32 years ago, are continuing for a fourth day.
Miss Lamplugh, 25, disappeared after meeting a client known only as 'Mr Kipper' at an address in Fulham, west London, in 1986.
No-one was convicted over her death but in 1994 she was officially declared dead, presumed murdered.
Specialist forensics teams have been focusing their activity on the rear garden of a semi-detached house in Sutton Coldfield, West Midlands, which once belonged to the mother of prime suspect John Cannan.
Suzy Lamplugh disappeared in 1986(Image: Mirrorpix)Madeleine McCann disappeared during a family holiday in Portugal as her parents ate in a nearby restaurant(Image: PA)A specialist team from Alecto Forensics enter the back garden of a property in Sutton Coldfield, West Midlands(Image: PA)The same team, Alecto Forensics, were also involved in the search for Madeleine McCann, who has been missing since May 2007.
Maddie disappeared during a family holiday in Portugal as her parents Kate and Gerry were eating in a nearby restaurant.
The Metropolitan Police are leading the search at the property, where officers have dismantled a car garage and used angle grinders to dig through its concrete base at the edge of the yard.
On Wednesday, two more blue forensics tents were put up at the immediate rear of the home and patio slabs could be seen stacked nearby.
Investigations have continued into Thursday, with the house's current owner, insurance marketer Phillip Carey, saying activity could continue into next week.
Police officers were pictured searching the garden of a property in Sutton Coldfield, Birmingham(Image: Tristan Potter / SWNS.com)Cops stressed that the current occupants of the property were in no way connected to the investigation(Image: Tristan Potter / SWNS.com)An aerial view of the search, showing a blue tent(Image: Francis Hawkins / SWNS.com)READ MORE
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Speaking to reporters on his doorstep, the 52-year-old said: "They could still find a body. It's 50/50.
"The house isn't a priority, and they've told me they'll put things back the way they found them."
Asked whether there were any signs the search was coming to an end, he replied: "Probably not today".
The father-of-two, who bought the house from Cannan's mother, Sheila, 26 years ago, added: "I would like to say 'No, the searches won't go into next week' but I really don't know.
"I just get told 'This is what we're doing' and let them get on with it."
Police carried out investigations at the address in 2003, following a case review in 2000, but did not dig up the garden.
A Met Police spokesman said: "In 2000, the MPS carried out a progress review of the investigation into the disappearance of Suzy Lamplugh.
"This review was in line with the Met's murder investigation policy at that time.
"The review led to a re-investigation, under Detective Superintendent Jim Dickie."
In 2002, Met Police made the unusual step of naming John Cannan as the prime suspect(Image: south west news service)The search follows information received in relation to a historical unsolved investigation, police confirmed(Image: Tristan Potter / SWNS.com)An officer is pictured during the search in Sutton Coldfield (Image: Tristan Potter / SWNS.com)A police vehicle is pictured in the area(Image: Tristan Potter / SWNS.com)Mr Dickie, who led the inquiry between 2000 and 2006, confirmed that his officers did not dig or perform an "extensive" search of the home.
"We had no evidence or intelligence to lead us to believe that John Cannan may have secreted Suzy's body there," he told the BBC.
Convicted murderer Cannan, who is currently in jail for rape and murder, was named as prime suspect by police in 2002 and Miss Lamplugh's death has remained one of the UK's most notorious cold cases.
It is not the first time the garden has been the focus of officers investigating her murder, after searches were carried out in 2003, into early 2004.
Miss Lamplugh's brother, Richard, said he hoped her body would be found at the property in Sutton Coldfield so the family could say a "proper goodbye".
"It has been a long time and we have had our expectations raised before but it would nice if we could finally have some closure," he told the Mail Online.
The specialist firm Alecto Forensics, which assisted with the investigation into the disappearance of Madeliene McCann, has been at the scene along with officers from the Met and West Midlands Police
On Thursday, white-suited forensics officers could be seen adjusting the blue tarpaulins which protect the scene.
The Met stressed that the current occupants of the property are in no way connected to the investigation.
Cannan, who was jailed for life in 1989 for the rape and murder of Bristol newlywed Shirley Banks, was named as the prime suspect by police in 2002.
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Suzy disappeared at the age of 25 in Fulham, south west London(Image: PA)The Metropolitan Police last night would not confirm what case the search related to(Image: Tristan Potter / SWNS.com)A police van can be seen close to a blue tent(Image: PA)It has been reported that the search is at the former home of Cannan's mother(Image: Francis Hawkins / SWNS.com)READ MORE
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On the day of her disappearance, witnesses reported seeing Miss Lamplugh argue with a man outside a property in Shorrolds Road, Fulham, west London.
Three days earlier, Cannan had been released from a hostel at Wormwood Scrubs Prison, where he had been serving a six-year sentence for rape.
He bore a strong resemblance to an e-fit of the abductor and, according to reports, he was nicknamed Kipper while serving his earlier sentence.
In 2002, reports claimed that Cannan had buried Miss Lamplugh's body under his mother's patio in the West Midlands.
A Scotland Yard spokesman at the time said the theory was "something we are currently considering", but did not confirm reports that they planned to excavate the garden in the coming days.
The force has declined to comment on why the dig was taking place now, citing the sensitivity of the operation, but a statement said it followed "information received" by the investigation.
No-one has been convicted over Miss Lamplugh's death and she was presumed dead in 1994.
It is not the first site to be excavated in the search for her remains. Police twice carried out digs at sites in Worcestershire, first near Norton Barracks in 2000 and then a meadow several miles away in 2010.
Cannan, now 64, has been questioned several times over the murder but continues to deny the allegation.
Miss Lamplugh's parents, Paul and Diana, set up the Suzy Lamplugh Trust to support victims of stalking. Both died before seeing their daughter's killer brought to justice.
This picture, taken in 1993, shows Suzy's parents Diana and Paul Lamplugh(Image: PA)A tent is visible behind the garden fence of the property where police have been searching(Image: PA)The trust said the latest development is a reminder of the "continuing tragedy", adding: "The thoughts of everyone at Suzy Lamplugh Trust are with Suzy's family today."
Cannan was ordered to serve a minimum of 35 years in prison, meaning he would be eligible to be considered for parole from 2024.
But the then Lord Chief Justice, Lord Lane, said he would "probably never be safe to release".
House-holder Mr Carey said the latest search is a "surreal" experience, and added:
"Either (the property) is eliminated from it entirely or, if there is something found, it's closure for the family, and this tragic story can come to an end."
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Re: Madeleine McCann investigators join detectives at scene of Suzy Lamplugh search
by Doug D 01.11.18 14:23
Never consciously aware of Alecto Forensic Services Ltd before, although looking today they have been reported as involved with both MM and BN and although seemingly not too much cash generated from those cases, business has suddenly gone absolutely through the roof!
June 2014 MM dig in Portugal.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/480081/Madeleine-McCann-Sniffer-dogs-used-in-April-Jones-case-enlisted-in-search
Sept 2016 Ben Needham dig
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/30/search-for-missing-british-toddler-ben-needham-resumes-in-greece/
No turnover figures unfortunately, which clouds the picture but since incorporation in June 2013:
June 2014 MM dig in Portugal.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/480081/Madeleine-McCann-Sniffer-dogs-used-in-April-Jones-case-enlisted-in-search
Sept 2016 Ben Needham dig
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/30/search-for-missing-british-toddler-ben-needham-resumes-in-greece/
No turnover figures unfortunately, which clouds the picture but since incorporation in June 2013:
| 31/3/14 | 31/3/15 | 31/3/16 | 31/3/17 | 31/3/18 | |
| Debtors | 49k | 3k | 27k | 17k | 17k |
| Cash bank/hand | 9k | 51k | 18k | 289k | 1,843k |
| Total Current Assets | 59k | 54k | 46k | 306k | 1,860k |
| Creditors | 54k | 38k | 33k | 106k | 447k |
| Total Current Liabilities | 54k | 38k | 33k | 106k | 447k |
| Total Net Assets | 7k | 20k | 15k | 216k | 1,425k |
| Ave. No. Employees | 4 | 4 |
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Re: Madeleine McCann investigators join detectives at scene of Suzy Lamplugh search
by Doug D 01.11.18 14:39
Having a dig around Alecto’s Twitter page, which not only has quite a few interesting links, but also came across this from a Lords Select Committee:
Prosecution and defence lawyers questioned on use of forensic science
26th October 2018
The House of Lords Science and Technology Select Committee questions a Chief Crown Prosecutor at the Crown Prosecution Service as well as the Chair of the Criminal Bar Association on the UK’s use of forensic science in the criminal justice system. The Committee also questions leading academics on forensic science.
https://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/lords-select/science-and-technology-committee/news-parliament-2017/forensic-science-prosecution-defence-lawyers/
23rd October 2018
The House of Lords Science and Technology Committee asks experts what would make the greatest impact in improving the quality of forensic science and its ability to contribute to the delivery of justice in the UK.
Purpose of session
The Committee asks the witnesses for examples of countries that are enabling the use of forensic science in the justice system well and what changes might be needed to forensic services market in England and Wales to ensure provision is maintained at the level required.
Prosecution and defence lawyers questioned on use of forensic science
26th October 2018
The House of Lords Science and Technology Select Committee questions a Chief Crown Prosecutor at the Crown Prosecution Service as well as the Chair of the Criminal Bar Association on the UK’s use of forensic science in the criminal justice system. The Committee also questions leading academics on forensic science.
Purpose of session
The Committee explores with the witnesses the level of understanding of forensic science amongst lawyers, judges and juries, and how this understanding can be improved. The Committee also discusses the capacity of the criminal justice system to deal with the increased evidence load that digital forensics generates.https://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/lords-select/science-and-technology-committee/news-parliament-2017/forensic-science-prosecution-defence-lawyers/
23rd October 2018
The House of Lords Science and Technology Committee asks experts what would make the greatest impact in improving the quality of forensic science and its ability to contribute to the delivery of justice in the UK.
Purpose of session
The Committee asks the witnesses for examples of countries that are enabling the use of forensic science in the justice system well and what changes might be needed to forensic services market in England and Wales to ensure provision is maintained at the level required.
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Re: Madeleine McCann investigators join detectives at scene of Suzy Lamplugh search
by sharonl 01.11.18 19:51
Doug D wrote:Never consciously aware of Alecto Forensic Services Ltd before, although looking today they have been reported as involved with both MM and BN and although seemingly not too much cash generated from those cases, business has suddenly gone absolutely through the roof!
June 2014 MM dig in Portugal.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/480081/Madeleine-McCann-Sniffer-dogs-used-in-April-Jones-case-enlisted-in-search
Sept 2016 Ben Needham dig
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/30/search-for-missing-british-toddler-ben-needham-resumes-in-greece/
No turnover figures unfortunately, which clouds the picture but since incorporation in June 2013:
31/3/14 31/3/15 31/3/16 31/3/17 31/3/18 Debtors 49k 3k 27k 17k 17k Cash bank/hand 9k 51k 18k 289k 1,843k Total Current Assets 59k 54k 46k 306k 1,860k Creditors 54k 38k 33k 106k 447k Total Current Liabilities 54k 38k 33k 106k 447k Total Net Assets 7k 20k 15k 216k 1,425k Ave. No. Employees 4 4
Yet another struggling organisation that was in need of a boost.
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Re: Madeleine McCann investigators join detectives at scene of Suzy Lamplugh search
by Verdi 01.11.18 20:32
A forensic team which assisted with the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann are helping search for the remains of Suzy Lamplugh.
First I've heard of it - more media hype to bring the name McCann into the equation?
The UK's now defunct Forensic Science Service were commissioned to analyse the forensic samples for the Portuguese police - what's the implication here, they sub-contracted some of the work? There is nothing in the PJ files to suggest this was the case, indeed all the documentation emanating from the FSS indicates that the analysts were in-house.
http://www.alectoforensics.com/about.html
Unless of course it was they, Alecto Forensics, who were assigned to undertaking the independent inspection of the Renault Scenic
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Re: Madeleine McCann investigators join detectives at scene of Suzy Lamplugh search
by Baffled 01.11.18 23:54
Gosh...I remember this from all the way back then. This happened in my neighbourhood. From what I remember, the police had interviewed cannan inside several times and were certain that he killed her, but stated that they believed her body would never be found.
Apparently he told a cell mate that he had buried her at his mothers place, and I was sure the police knew that back then.
They had acted on information that he had buried her at a barracks, so I'm not sure why they didn't act on the second tip off?
Mind you, this would have been handled by Fulham police, the same force who wrongly convicted that Bulsara guy for the Jill Dando case, and I believe the same force who tried to set up Colin Stagg in the Rachel Nickel killing on Wimbledon common.
Apparently he told a cell mate that he had buried her at his mothers place, and I was sure the police knew that back then.
They had acted on information that he had buried her at a barracks, so I'm not sure why they didn't act on the second tip off?
Mind you, this would have been handled by Fulham police, the same force who wrongly convicted that Bulsara guy for the Jill Dando case, and I believe the same force who tried to set up Colin Stagg in the Rachel Nickel killing on Wimbledon common.
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by Ladyinred 03.07.19 18:35
It's being reported today that police are digging in a field near Worcester as a result of information from their search of a house last year.
Let's hope this search will help resolve the case and provide some comfort to the family.
Let's hope this search will help resolve the case and provide some comfort to the family.
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Re: Madeleine McCann investigators join detectives at scene of Suzy Lamplugh search
by Jill Havern 04.07.19 18:58
Police bring in cadaver dogs as search for body of murdered estate agent Suzy Lamplugh hones in on trees near same field dug up 20 years ago
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7213453/Hunt-Suzy-Lamplugh-hones-trees.html
Police cadaver dogs that can smell dead bodies were used today to search a field for the remains of estate agent Suzy Lamplugh 33 years after she vanished.
I wonder if they are using the 'normal ones' or the Notoriously unreliable ones ?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7213453/Hunt-Suzy-Lamplugh-hones-trees.html
Police cadaver dogs that can smell dead bodies were used today to search a field for the remains of estate agent Suzy Lamplugh 33 years after she vanished.
I wonder if they are using the 'normal ones' or the Notoriously unreliable ones ?
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