THURSDAY Timetables - Compare Statements for EVERY Hour of the Day

by **HiDeHo** 15.11.17 14:33

Each statement has been added to individual HOURLY table for an easy comparison.

These are the timetables that I have used to 'discover' the DISCREPANCIES.

There are over 300 similar Timetables and Timelines focusing on many different topics

This TIMETABLE compares all statements made on THURSDAY

ROGATORY statement timetables (below) follow the EARLY statements

AFTER the disappearance Timetables at end (below)

(Please note: There are MANY discrepancies yet to be discovered which were not easily apparent to me as I was compiling each table)

	Gerry	Kate	FP/DP	ROB/JT	MO/RMO	DW	Others
7am

	Gerry	Kate	FP/DP	ROB/JT	MO/RMO	DW	Others
7am	GERRY Thursday, 3 May 2007, they all woke up at the same time between 07H30 and 08H00	She reports only one episode where, on the morning ofThursday the 3rd, Madeleine asked the witness why she had not come to look in the bedroom when the twinswere crying. The witness states that she had heard nothing and had therefore not gone into the bedroom, nevertheless she found her daughter’s comment strange because it was the first time she had made it. Regarding the fact that on the next morning, Thursday, during breakfast, Madeleine said to both of them that she had been crying and that nobody had come to her room, she presumes that this crying must have been before she and Gerry returned to the apartment. When she asked Madeleine about this however, the child gave no importance to the matter. On the 3rd of May they all woke up between 7.30 and 8.00 a.m.; she doesn’t know who woke up first.

Gerry

Kate

FP/DP

ROB/JT

MO/RMO

DW

Others

8.00am

MAY 4th on the morning of May 3rd, MADELEINEasked her father, GERALD,why he had not come into her bedroomwhen the twins were crying.The deponent had heard nothing and therefore had not gone into the room, yet he thought his daughter’s comment was strange, even because it was the first time that she made it.

MAY 10th On the day that MADELEINE disappeared,Thursday, 3 May 2007, they all woke up at the same time, between 07H30 and 08H00. When they were having breakfast,MADELEINE addressed her motherand asked her “why didn't you come last night when SEAN and I were crying?”(SIC). That he thought this comment very strange given that MADELEINE had never spoken like this and, the night before, they had maintained the same system of checking on the children, not having detected anything abnormal. When he questioned her about the comment, she left without any explanation.

They washed the children and had breakfast at the apartment between 08:00 and 08:30 a.m. Food was bought by her and GERRY at the “Baptista” supermarket. She refers that the stay included breakfast at the Milénio restaurant, but as it was too far away they’d decided to have breakfast at the apartment. During breakfast the “crying episode”, already described, took place. She noticed a stain, supposedly of tea, on Madeleine’s pyjama top, which she washed a little later that same morning. She hung it out to dry on a small stand, and it was dry by the afternoon. Madeleine sometimes drank tea; nevertheless the stain did not appear during breakfast, maybe it happened another day, as Madeleine did not have tea the previous night and the stain was dry.

FP Concerning what they usually do, the interviewee says that in the morning, after breakfast, which they have as a family in the bar at a club at around 8.15/8.30, they place their children in one of the complex's crÃ¨ches, in different sections.

Yesterday, as his daughter **** was feeling ill, the informant dropped **** (his other daughter!) at the Kids Club at around 10am after breakfast. He completely corroborates his partner Jane Tanner's statements for the rest of the day.

He also verifies in the total conformity between his declarations and those of Jane Tanner regarding the holiday trip

Every day they had breakfast at the Millenium
restaurant
J ROB Kids Millenium

ROB took El to Mini Club and she took Ev.

Yesterday, the interviewee wasn't at breakfast because she had a tennis lesson scheduled for 9am. It was her partner who went with their children after breakfast to fetch **** ****** and drove them all to the "Kids Club."
j up late no breakfast

jROB took E&E to Mill with Matt

6.30 and 8am they all went to the,"Millennium," Madeleine's parents, Madeleine and the twins had breakfast in their apartment

he woke up about 06h30/07h00 going to take breakfast at Millennium at 08h00 with his wife and daughter. He does not recall who [else] was with them. He knows that GM, KM and their children did not breakfast there because they always did that in their apartment.
Regarding the other group members he cannot remember who was in the Millennium that morning. He is sure that he was not accompanied by the whole group given that they were not always accompanied by the same people during this meal – thinking that only DP or ROB would have been there with their respective children.
Adding that as each day passed there were fewer group members who went there for breakfast, opting to have it in their apartments, due to the distance of the restaurant from their residences.

MO - The Thursday morning we, Rachael, G***e and I went to the Millennium Restaurant for breakfast, well as we did each morning, as I’ve already said. There wasn’t anybody else there, we had breakfast on our own. I don’t mean there was nobody else at any other table, but it was fairly quiet, but none of the other group were there initially. Now we were always fairly early because G***e was always awake earliest, erm, awake at, I don’t know”.
00.02.26 4078 “Lucky you!”
Reply “Yeah, always by half six or six o’clock and she’d be sort of sparky and awake and wanting to get up and so we’d sort of trudge on and we might even be banging on the doors waiting for them to open up, we’d be fairly early to breakfast.

RMO - On 3rd May, the day of Madeleine’s disappearancethey all (except for the McCanns who stayed in their apartment) has breakfast at the Millenium at 08.00.

After breakfast, taken between 8 and 9 am in the Millennium restaurant, she takes her daughter to the Kids Club, about 10 minutes walk from the apartment. The other couples do exactly the same thing, with the exception of Gerry and Kate McCann who have breakfast in their apartment. The interviewee's daughter goes to a room at the Kids Club which is close to the, "TAPAS," restaurant. Madeleine goes to another room, situated near the club's reception, because she is older.

At 07H50, they went to the restaurant "MILLENNIUM", on foot, arriving by 08.00 to have breakfast. She stated that they had been the first of the group to arrive, and, later, came David and Fiona, and two children, then RUSSEL with his children. JANE did not come because that morning she did not feel well. They took the usual route, alone, having left the apartment by the main door, which was locked, turned right, just after that a left, reaching the main road that led to the said restaurant. They took breakfast together at the same table, including the children

On 3rd May, the day of Madeleine’s disappearance they all (except for the McCanns who stayed in their apartment) has breakfast at the Millenium at 08.00.

Concerning May 3, the date of the occurrence of the facts now under investigation, she states that she did the things she has generally described above being unaware of anything, nor having seen anything, that might relate to the disappearance of Madeleine.

	Gerry	Kate	FP/DP	ROB/JT	MO/RMO	DW	Others
9am	MAY 10th after breakfast, about 09h00, KATE and the children left by the back door, the deponent having left by the front door, which he locked with the key, having also closed and locked the back door from the inside. They made their way on foot down the usual route to the crèche next to the TAPAS, where they left the twins, and, while KATE stayed to play tennis, the deponent took MADELEINE to her crèche, through the short-cut, where they arrived at 09h15, and , since it was obligatory, he signed the child's attendance register. On returning, not by the short-cut, he went to the “BATISTA” supermarket where he bought milk, he presumes, making his way to his apartment, entering through the front door, which was locked by key, at around 09H40/09H45. He remained at home for about 15 minutes, putting on tennis clothes	. After breakfast they got dressed and left the apartment through the main door. All children went walking. The balcony door was closed and locked; she doesn’t know whether the main door was locked or unlocked. After leaving the apartment they left the twins at the crèche next to the Tapas; at the same time she supposes that Gerry took Madeleine to the crèche next to the 24-hour reception area. Once the children were delivered, they went to the tennis courts for a scheduled tennis lesson. Kate’s group lesson was at 9:15, Gerry’s an hour later. She doesn’t know what Gerry did during that free hour; she presumes he went to the apartment.		J Tennis 9 JROB drive 3 kids J Kate wait 30 mins for tennis J DW wait 30 mins for tennis **** must have been unwell because she didn't go to the Kids Club that day. Kate Healy and Diane Webster came and waited 30 minutes for the tennis lesson to finish at 9.30am. She did not know where the McCann children had breakfast but they were at the Kids Club where she supposed that Gerry, their father, had dropped them off. J Tennis with RM j Rob dropped Ella..walkedEv to tennis? jThursday another group of children came down for their tennis lesson and that’s when Russell and this other person was there with the video camera.conversation with this other person .. because he was taking pictures of his daughter	When the breakfast was over, by 09H00, the deponent took her daughter to "nursery" next to the "tapas", while her husband MATHEW was with RUSSEL to take his daughter Ea to "nursery" at the main reception. The witness says she returned to her apartment, did some cleaning and changed clothes as she had scheduled a tennis lesson for llH00. At 09H45 she left the apartment and went to the swimming pool area where she read a book and talked with KATE until llH10 Afterwards the witness took Ge to the Club. Madeleine and the twins also went to the Club that morning, as well as the other children in the group. Matthew and ROB went to the beach. (NOTE: Jane said she went with ROB - ROB said Jane stayed with him and saw mini tennis)* The Payne couple were also at the beach. The witness, after leaving G***e at the club went to the apartment to get ready for tennis. Also present at the tennis courts between 9.10 and 10.10 were Kate McCann, Dianne Webster and Jane Tanner.

	Gerry	Kate	FP/DP	ROB/JT	MO/RMO	DW	Others
10am	May 4th -Apart from what has been described, Madeleine and the other children went sailing on the beach, a five minute walk from the club, for an hour. This outing was organised by the resort itself and is part of an available chart. The supervision and organisation was done by the resort, therefore the deponent was not present, nor was his wife. May 10th left by the front door, that he did not lock, and made his way to the tennis courts down the usual route, they being next to the TAPAS. He played tennis for an hour with the instructor and other students, among whom was an individual he had met during this holiday, called "JEZ", and with whom he had established not quite a friendship, but rather a simple acquaintance. "JEZ" has two small children whose exact age he does not know. As to his wife, he had seen her next to the pool but had never spoken with her.	on Wednesday or Thursday, Madeleine and the other children went sailing at the beach, five minutes away from the club, for an hour, in an event that was organised by the resort. The surveillance of this activity and the organisation were done by the club, and the deponent was not present, nor was her husband. When her lesson ended at 10:15, she went to the recreation area next to the swimming pool to talk to Russell until Gerry’s lesson was over.		The deponent remembers only one episode, that for him did not have any importance, but that, given the circumstances, make him relate it. States that between the activities of tennis and others on the beach, he took notice of an individual who he only knows as NIGEL—a British individual, married, and with a daughter of ¾ years whose name is Ixxx. He had trivial conversations with him. On the day of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, in the late morning, part of the group, with their children, were next to the tennis courts when NIGEL approached him. They were filming his daughter, with a video camera, and that, questioned, the deponent states that he does not remember seeing anyone with such an apparatus. Considering the current particulars of paedophilia, they conversed and the deponent considered this perfectly normal. Nigel had commented that he felt uncomfortable in having his daughter filmed. The deponent finished by concurring with him and together they spoke about the ridiculous situation and “the state to which the world has come”. The deponent states that he has no reason to suspect NIGEL, in any circumstances whatsoever, and that he appeared to him a normal citizen, with a normal family. He never again thought about this conversation and only reports it of all the situations of the week, he has no incident to register or relate. NOTE: Jane claims they were down at the beach and saw Madeleine an Ella (taking a picture) at sailing, at the same time as the mini tennis referred to here jKate left tennis 10.10 Gerry tennis After the lesson, the interviewee and her partner, O'Brien, went with their daughter to the beach. The interviewee does not know what Kate did after leaving the tennis court (8) at around 10am, but she knows that Gerald McCann had a tennis lesson (8) between 10.10 and 11.10. Jane Russell, me and Evie walked down to the beach.I don’t know where Kate went at that point, but she didn’t come to the beach with us JANE Dave and Fi were already down there and, no, we met we met Dave and Fi coming back, because they’d had their second, I think they’d had their second sailing lessonthey said ‘Oh we’ve seen Madeleine and Ella on a boat down there’So then wewent down to the beach, erm, and Russell took out a kayak and I sat and just played Ella and Madeleine and the rest of the groupthey were getting ready to walk back up to the, erm, tut, the Kids Club I’ve got pictures of Ella, of Evie, that’s about the first day I took pictures actually Here Jane contradicts herself and said ROB was watching the tennis on Thursday JT: Yeah, it does, but just to clarify though, that on the Wednesday, when you saw Madeleine and Exxxx had her tennis lesson, do you remember if Russell was there then?” Reply “I don’t remember if he was there, but I don’t’ think so”. 4078 “But on the Thursday he was there”. Reply “He was definitely there”. 4078 “Watching Madeleine and Exxxx”. Reply “It was the other, it was other part of the, it was the same age group but it was the other half of the group that were having their tennis lesson”. jRussell, me and Evie walked down to the beach.I don’t know where Kate went at that point, but she didn’t come to the beach with us jDave and Fi were already down there and, no, we metwe met Dave and Fi coming back, because they’d had their second, I think they’d had their second sailing lessonthey said ‘Oh we’ve seen Madeleine and Ella on a boat down there’So then we went down to the beach, erm, and Russell took out a kayak and I sat and just played	After breakfast he walked to the beach, arriving about 09h30 to go sailing. He knows that on that morning DP and FP were also there, not recalling if he went there with either of those individulas or if they were already there when he arrived. He was sailing until about 11h00 due to which he was late for the tennis class he had booked for that time, together with his wife.		Jez Wilkins-On Thursday, 3rd May 2007, at 10 am I went to tennis lesson as usual and Jerry was there and a female. The other two females were not present. We again engaged in general conversation and played (?!) the lesson for an hour. Relative to the encounters between the 29th of April and the 3rd of May; I played against Gerry in the tennis lessons and we played a game outside the lessons together with two friends who made up part of his group. Kate was in the immediate area of the resort but the reason for our meetings was normally tennis. We got along well together.

	Gerry	Kate	FP/DP	ROB/JT	MO/RMO	DW	Others
11am	May 10th The tennis class finished at 11H15, he stayed in the pool area talking with his wife and other people, whom he does not remember.			jElla and Madeleine and the rest of the groupthey were getting ready to walk back up to the, erm, tut, the Kids Club jI’ve got pictures of Ella, of Evie, that’s about the first day I took pictures actually jThursday was actually probably one of the first nice daysthe sun had more come out in the day	He was sailing until about 11h00 due to which he was late for the tennis class he had booked for that time, together with his wife. (NOTE:TENNIS WITH RACHAEL 11.10 --12.10) After dropping her daughter off, the interviewee had a tennis lesson between 11 and 12 o'clock. went to the swimming pool area where she read a book and talked with KATE until llH10 the time at which she went to the tennis courts since the lesson was delayed slightly. At that time her husband MATHEW arrived also to play tennis until about 12.10 pm. The witness’s tennis session was at 11 with Matthew after he returned from the beach.		JWI went to the pool where Bridget was. I think Jerry’s wife, Kate was already there speaking to the tennis coach. They got really involved in a conversation XXX Jerry would say a joke (?!!!!, unreadible) and go ..

	Gerry	Kate	FP/DP	ROB/JT	MO/RMO	DW	Others
Midday	At 12H00, he agreed with KATE, as he recalls it, that she would make lunch and the deponent would pick up MADELEINE. He thinks that it was KATE who took the twins home.Since it was he who went to collect MADELEINE, he is sure he used the short-cut. NOTE: Kate claims she went back to the apartment at 12.15 and then picked Madeleine up with Fiona. Fiona claims they stayed at the pool and then went to pick Madeleine up Catriona cannot remember who picked Madeleine up The creche records show Kate 12.25) At 12h30 they started lunch, the meal having lasted an hour, until 13h30	Afterwards, she is not sure, they went back together to the apartment until close to 12:15 when she went to Madeleine’s crèche to pick her up, together with Fiona Payne. She signed the crèche's register and went to the twins’ crèche with the intention of picking them up, she thinks that she met Gerry there, not knowing if he already had the twins with him. Together with the three children they went to the apartment for lunch, with food bought at the supermarket. This would be around 12:35/12:40. They ate sandwiches, mainly the deponent and Gerry, and the children maybe ate pasta. Lunch lasted around 20 minutes.		j lunc apt RM MO and 3 kids They stayed there (beach) until 12.20. Then they had been to fetch from the Kids Club The interviewee did not notice if Madeleine was still at the Kids Club when they had been to fetch . jRuss took the, took the kayak out for a bit and then came back and then we just sat, I think we just stayed then on the beach and waited to, because Ella, and then waited ‘til sort ofhalf twelve to go and pick Ella up for lunch, erm. So we walked back via the Kids Club and then back up for lunch. And I think that day was the day we had lunch in our apartment with justMatt and Rachael and not Dave and Fi. I think, I think because they’d done the sailing early	meet up in one of the apartments occupied by the group About 12h10 he went with his wife to pick up his daughter from kids club. Subsequently the three of them went to the Payne apartment for lunch. He clarifies that he lunched there with the Paynes, their children and mother-in-law, and with ROB and JT. He does not recall if KM and GM were there. Then she went back to the Kids Club to pick up her daughter, **, for lunch. She made **'s lunch and then they went to Russell O'Brien or David Payne's apartment, where they all ate together. Only Gerry and Kate McCann had lunch in their apartment with the twins and Madeleine. The interviewee has the impression that the McCann family had one lunch on the beach. After class, they collected [took up] their daughter and went to the apartment of David Payne and FIONA, where thay had lunch all together After tennis, as usual they went to pick up the children and all had lunch in David and Fiona’s apartment apart from the McCann family.		JWAt 12:30 pm we went fetch the little boy from the crèche as usual. Everyone left the pool at about the same time. I didn’t see Jerry or Kate. Relative to the encounter with Gerry and Kate on the 3rd of May 2007; I had a tennis lesson with Gerry from 10h00 to 11h00. After the lesson we went to fetch the children from the crèche. I saw Gerry and Kate near the pool relaxing. I remember that they were talking to a British tennis instructor whose name is George or Georgina. I remember that she was telling them a bit about her personal life. Later that day, I went once again to collect the children from the crèche and believe I saw them there, but I cannot affirm with exactitude if it was that day or if had been on a previous day. We did not see each other again on this day.

by **HiDeHo** 15.11.17 14:35

	Gerry	Kate	FP/DP	ROB/JT	MO/RMO	DW	Others
1pm	the meal having lasted an hour, until 13h30. After that time they made their way to the resort play area, the deponent having left through the front door and the rest of the family through the back doorthat, once again, he shut and locked from the inside. As for the front door, he does not know exactly if he locked it. NOTE: Kate claims differently about the door)	After finishing lunch they stayed for a while at the apartment, then they went to the recreation area next to the pool, as the children were somewhat restless, maybe tired and bored. They remained at this area for about an hour, maybe more		They went to have lunch in their apartment with their two children together with Matthew Oldfield, Rachael Manpilly and their daughter *. They had lunch from 12.45 to 1.45 j1.45 finished lunch jbefore Ella went back, Rachael and I just went to have a knock on the tennis court probably about half one	children have a sleep in their respective apartments adults do sporting activities Later, sometime between 13h30 and 14h00, he and his family went to their apartment to put their daughter down for a sleep At 13h45, the three returned to their apartment, where they put down her daughter who slept for about two hours. After lunch the children went to sleep. She was not with the McCanns that afternoon until dinner time. She does not know what they did or where they were during that time. At 13h45, the three returned to their apartment, where they put down her daughter who slept for about two hours. (until 3.45?)

	Gerry	Kate	FP/DP	ROB/JT	MO/RMO	DW	Others
2pm	They stayed in the play area for approximately an hour, until 14H30/14H35. After that, they left the twins at the crèche near the TAPAS, they signed the register, and the three of them (deponent, KATE and MADELEINE) made their way to the crèche at the main reception, where they arrived at 14H50 and delivered MADELEINE,not being able to say precisely who signed the register. NOTE: Catriona does not remember who dropped her off	then they left the twins at the crèche next to the Tapas and both of them took Madeleine to the other crèche. They went via a path in front of the small reception and then through a garden area and stairs, taking a short cut. This route was indicated to her by Gerry. After leaving Madeleine at around 2:50 p.m.		then, at around 2pm, the interviewee again played tennis (8) but with Rachael Manpilly this time. The interviewee remembers that while she was playing tennis, (8) she saw Kate Healy and Gerald mcCann with their three children in the play area next to the court. Kate waved to her. The mcCann family stayed in that play area until 2.40 (Last Picture)when they drove their children to the Kids Club. After finishing playing tennis (8) at around 2.45, the interviewee went back to her apartment (1) where she stayed with her daughter . Her husband and Matthew Oldfield went sailing. jTennis with RM jSaw K&G with kidsplay area waved.they left at 2.40 drove kids to club 2.45 left tennis..apt look after daughter j Russ took back, took Ella back to the Kids Cluband Matt was listening for Evie and Grace jI think we played ‘til about, phew, half two jI’m not sure if this is going to be another question that you are going to ask, but I think that was the last time that I saw Madeleine, because Kate and Gerry brought the kids, all the kids down to the play area to, they would have their lunch before they took them back to the Kids Club, and I think that was about two, quarter past two’ish, and I can remember Madeleine shouting things to us on the tennis court, you know, and I can remember Gerry sort of going ‘Oh good shot��?or whatever. And I think that would have been the last time that I personally, you know, I personally saw Madeleine. Erm, and I think they then left, I say times, I’m not sure, but I know, I think it was probably, the Kids Club had already gone back in, because I could hear, the Kids Club was right by the court, so, and I can remember thinking ‘Oh they’ve not gone straight back in��? Then they took the twins up to the Kids Club and I presume Madeleine back to the, to the other one, because then Kate and Gerry, I think we saw them, I can’t remember for exactly, but I think we saw them when we come back, because they’d booked a, erm, a private tennis lesson, just the two of them, that	remaining there until about 14h15/14h30 – the time at which he decided to go to find ROB, he also having returned to his own flat, to call him for them both to go sailing. he deponent went to play tennis with JANE until 15.00, while her husband MATHEW went to the balcony of RUSSEL to talk, or vice versa, she doesn't know exactly, their apartment being located to the side of his and there is only one other apartment between the two.

	Gerry	Kate	FP/DP	ROB/JT	MO/RMO	DW	Others
3pm	The deponent and KATE returned to the OCEAN CLUB by the short-cut and at the secondary reception they asked the lady employee if there was a vacant tennis court they could reserve. They were told there was a vacancy between 14H30 and 15H30. As it was already 15h00, they began to play immediately. At 15H30, the tennis instructor arrived, who taught them a class until 16H30 NOTE: Stephen Carpenter claims to have played all afternoon with Gerry)	After leaving Madeleine at around 2:50 p.m., they both had, once more, a tennis lesson, this time an individual one just for the two of them, so they started playing a few balls at that time, given the fact that the court was empty. She doesn’t remember if they were already wearing appropriate clothes or if they went to the apartment to change.	FP Yesterday, the usual routine was slightly changed. Yesterday, she went to the beach with her children, her husband and her mother, Diane. They arrived there at around 3.45pm and came back around 6.15pm	j MO & ROB sailing j3.45 beach daughter RM FP daughter DW j On way saw K&G having individual tennis lesson..no kids jI can’t remember whether we saw them coming back before me and Rachael finished or whether we saw them doing that when we then went down to the beach, but I remember seeing Kate and Gerry coming back to have their, have their private tennis lesson. j me and Rachael probably knocked up for about any hour maybe or probably a bit less than an hour, then went back and then, then Matt and Russ, when we got back, Matt and Russ went down to the beach and I think they took a boat out, erm, Matt fell off the boat and nearly lost Matt off the side of the boat j we’d arranged to actually take all the kids down to the beach with Dave and Fi and Dianne that afternoon, so then when Evie and Grace woke up, we all well followed and all went down to the beach as a group, but not with, but Kate and Gerry didn’t come then because they’d booked this private, you know, this private lesson��? jElla was still in the Kids Club at this point as well��? I’d say three thirty-four “By the time we’d got everybody, trying to get Daveand Fi anywhere is like trying to organise an Army, so I imagined it probably went a bit��? “They’re just always late and faffing, I think Dave’s a faffer so it’s normally, so, yeah, I think, erm, it was probably three thirty, four��?	After their sport (sometime between 15h30 and 15h45) they both went to the beach where they met up with the rest of the group, including children, staying there until about 17h00. He clarifies that GM, KM and their children were not at the beach. After the game of tennis, the witness returned home to rest, her husband and RUSSEL having gone to the beach of Luz to sail. At about 15:45, her daughter having woken up, she took her to the beach of Luz in the company of DIANE, Jane, Fiona and their respective children, where they found MATHEW, RUSSEL and DAVTD.	she went to the beach with her granddaughters, her son-in-law and her daughter. They arrived there at around 3.45pm

	Gerry	Kate	FP/DP	ROB/JT	MO/RMO	DW	Others
4pm	They stayed there, talking, until 16H45, at which time the twins went to the meal area	The lesson ended an hour later, at around 4:30 p.m.	Yesterday, the usual routine was slightly changed. Yesterday, she went to the beach with her children, her husband and her mother, Diane. They arrived there at around 3.45pm and came back around 6.15pm	At 3.45, the interviewee went to the Praia beach (7) with her daughter, **, Rachael Manpilly, Diane Webster, Fiona Payne, * Payne and *** Payne. Her husband Russell O'Brien was back from his boat trip and he went to fetch from the "Kids Club." They joined the group at the beach On the way to the beach, the group of friends mentioned above, saw Gerald McCann and Kate Healy having an individual tennis lesson. The children were not with them. Confirmed that this was the first day they took their children to the beach**	staying there until about 17h00. He clarifies that GM, KM and their children were not at the beach They spent most of the time on the beach that afternoon.

	Gerry	Kate	FP/DP	ROB/JT	MO/RMO	DW	Others
5pm	At 17h00, as usual, MADELEINE arrived accompanied by the nannies and the other children. After her arrival, MADELEINE dined, having finished at 17H30. After 17H30 they went to the apartment, the deponent having entered by the main door, which he did not lock while he was inside the residence. KATE and the children entered by the back door, after this had been opened from the inside by the deponent. NOTE: Did Kate go jogging on the beach and wave to the others?) at 5.00pm	Gerry continued playing tennis with a guest called JULIAN who belonged to his tennis group, while she went for a jog along the beach, for around half an hour. During that period she saw the rest of the group, children and grownups; she was disappointed as nobody had told her that they were going to the beach and Madeleine surely would have loved to have gone with them. She cannot confirm whether she went to the apartment between the tennis game and the jog. When she finished jogging, at around 5:20/5:30 p.m., she went to the Tapas area. Gerry was there, as well as the twins and Madeleine who were having dinner at separate tables. Madeleine had been taken to the area by the nannies. Her parents were required to sign the register when the meal was over, at around 5.30 p.m.. During the meal Kate asked Madeleine if she was sad because the other children in the group had gone to the beach without her; she replied that she wasn’t, but was rather tired. She asked Kate to carry her back to the apartment. Kate agreed, and Gerry led the twins back to the apartment, as well. Tiredness was due to the intense daily activities, not to any sickness. They arrived at the apartment at around 5:40 p.m., earlier than usual, because Madeleine was tired, their other friends were at the beach At the apartment they both bathed the children, and close to 6:00 p.m. Gerry went to the tennis courts, right after the children had finished their bath. They entered the apartment by the main door, with the key. She does not know if it was locked, and presumes it was Gerry who opened it. At lunch time they also entered through the same door.		At around 5.15pm, they saw Kate Healy jogging along the beach. jROB fetch Kids joined at beach ?time.. j 5.15 saw K jogging jROB DP MO left early for tennis Around 17.15 JT saw Kate Healy jogging along beach. Waved back j probably on the beach for an hour. Matt and Russ came out from their sailing jDavid, might have been down there as well, he might not have come down with us, he might have already been down there as well but he joined us. j think he was, yeah, I think he was out on the water as well, so he wouldn’t have walked down with us, we met him there as well��? j “He was on the beach with you?��? “Erm, phew, five minutes��?/FONT> . j we played with the kids for probably about an hour and a half on the beach. And then Russell went to get, pick Ella up and he brought her back down j I think it was about five. It would have been before, because they used to walk them up for tea, so because we were going to give them all tea on the beach we didn’t, we made sure it was before they left, but it would have probably have been about, just before five I think��? “And how long did it take you to go from the beach to the Kids Club?��? “No, it was up a hill. Yeah, probably four or five minutes��? “Okay. Go on then. So Russell goes back to fetch Ella?��?/FONT> jthen we walked up to, I think it’s Café Paris, Parisio I can’t remember whether I saw them when me and Rachael went back to the room or whether it was when we took all the kids down to the beach, we saw them playing tennis, but we’d seen them then. And also I saw, we saw Kate running when we were at the Café Parisio or whatever it was, Kate was running along, we saw Kate running along the beach, so she’d obviously gone for a run. Actually I think that was before, I think that’s, yeah, that’s when we were still on the beach, so it was before we’d gone to the café that we saw Kate running��? “Before, yeah. So it would have probably been before five, it would have been sort of, either before, definitely before half past five I would have said we’d seen her,	Leaving the beach they went to the beach restaurant where they fed the children while the adults limited themselves to a few drinks. At 17H30 the children dined in one of restaurants by the beach, They spent most of the time on the beach that afternoon. They saw Kate running on the beach but she did not stop and they did not speak. All the children, except the McCann children dined at a beach restaurant at 17.30

	Gerry	Kate	FP/DP	ROB/JT	MO/RMO	DW	Others
6pm	They bathed the children, the deponent having left at 18H00 for a tennis game only for men, which was attended by: DAN, the tennis instructor; JULIAN, with whom he had played tennis several times; and CURTIS, with whom he had also played before. During the afternoon of that day, the rest of the group, including the children, were at the beach, having returned at 18H30, the time at which he saw DAVID PAYNE next to the tennis court. DAVID went to visit KATE and the children and returned close to 19H00 NOTE: Most T9 claim David played tennis and they all finished just before 8.00pm (in ROGS) and yet they all claim in early statements that they returned to their apartment at 7.00 not giving time for them all to play the hour and certainly not David who visited Kate) We know they left the Paraiso at approx 6.20 with a 15 min walk? DAVID went to visit KATE and the children and returned close to 19H00, trying to convince the deponent to continue to play tennis, which he refused, as he had already been plying for about an hour and had to go back to his wife. Nevertheless, RUSSEL, DAVID and MATHEW stayed to play. Regarding the episode where he spoke to David on the 3rd of May, he says that he was playing tennis at 18:30 when David appeared near the tennis court and asked him through the net if he was going to continue playing. The deponent said he didn’t know because Kate might be needing help to look after the three children, even more so because they intended to bring them to the recreation area after their showers. He thinks that David offered to check if Kate needed help, which he did, and returned minutes later. Concerning his previous statement, where he states that David returned half an hour later, at around 19:00, he says that he returned to the tennis court after half an hour, as this time frame refers to the second time he returned to the tennis court, after dressing up for the game.	Gerry had an all-male tennis game at 6:00 p.m. After the children’s bath, already alone, she put pyjamas and nappies on the twins, and gave them each a glass of milk and biscuits. Before bathing the children and because it was early, they had thought of taking them to the recreation area, but then decided against this because of tiredness. While the children were eating and looking at some books, Kate had a shower which lasted around 5 minutes. (NOTE: AND a bath at 8.00pm?) After showering, at around 6:30/6:40 p.m. and while she was getting dry, she heard somebody knocking at the balcony door. She wrapped herself in a towel and went to see who was at the balcony door. This door was closed but not locked as Gerry had left through this door. She saw that it was David Payne, because he called out and had opened the door slightly. David’s visit was to help her to take the children to the recreation area. When David returned from the beach he was with Gerry at the tennis courts, and it was Gerry who asked him to help Kate with taking the children to the recreation area, which had been arranged but did not take place. David was at the apartment for around 30 seconds, he didn’t even actually enter the flat, he remained at the balcony door. According to her he then left for the tennis courts where Gerry was. The time was around 6:30-6:40 p.m. After David left, Kate dressed and sat with the children, Madeleine on her lap. She was wearing a top, she doesn’t remember what colour it was, a green long-sleeved t-shirt, blue denim trousers. Sports shoes and white socks. She read a story to the children in the living room, on the sofa in front of the balcony door, identified on the diagram with the letter D.	They arrived there (beach) at around 3.45pm and came back around 6.15pm to go to the tennis courts where they stayed until 7pm.	they went back at around 6.10/6.15. j 6.10/15 left j 6.20 saw all men inc G at tennis..talkked 20-30 mins j6.20K maybe apt Russell O'Brien, Matthew Oldfield and David Payne left the beach (7) a little earlier to go to the tennis court for men's tennis night. When the group came back from the beach (7) at around 6.20pm, they went past the tennis court and they saw all the men,including Gerald McCann, on the court. (8) They stayed to talk to them for around 20 to 30 minutes. Gerald McCann behaved normally. The interviewee supposed that Kate was at the apartment (1) putting the children to bed. Russell O’Brien, Matthew Oldfield and David Payne left beach before others, to play tennis. Gerry McCann would join them. Other adults and children return from beach to the Ocean Club. 18.20 hours chatted with men on tennis court. Presumed Kate Healy was with their children in the apartment. jThursday night was actually the men’s night of tennis normally it started at half six but we’d asked ‘Could the social tennis start at six��? so that they then gave us time to get the kids into bed afterwards��? j remember saying to Russell and Matt and everything, it was about quarter past six, I said ‘Oh you’ve got to go to the men’s night tennis because they’ve changed the times for us and now you’re not blo*dy going��? you know, that sort of, it was that sort of thing. So I think at about quarter past six they, they all went up to, erm, to the men’s tennis��? j we followed up probably about quarter of an hour later with all the kids and we went to the play area by the tennis courts and had a, you know, we probably stayed there for about half an hour or so jGerry was there, he was playing, he was playing tennis��?	About 18h00 he, ROB and DP went to a social men's tennis match, held in the above resort area, where they remained until about 19h00. He clarifies that when they arrived at that meeting GM was already there, with KM and her children watching the match, the rest of the women and children joining them [KM and children] later. By 18:30, the women and children returned from the beach in the direction of the "OCEAN CLUB" with a view to seeing their husbands play tennis, who had returned from the beach about five minutes before. Prior to going to the apartment she was with the children in the playground area, next to the "tapas", until about 19.00. After the children’s dinner, the men went to play tennis and the women and children watched, once again except for the McCann family (Gerry was playing tennis but she did not see Kate or the children)	left (beach) at around 6.15pm to go to the tennis courts where she stayed until 7pm.

	Gerry	Kate	FP/DP	ROB/JT	MO/RMO	DW	Others
7pm	Yesterday, after the daily routine, MADELEINE and the twins were put to bed in their respective beds, and he stresses put to bed, at 7.30 pm. At around 19H00, he made his way to the apartment, finding KATE and the children playing on the sofa. About 10 to 15 minutes later, they took the children to the bedroom and they all sat on MADELEINE's bed to read a story. At 19H30, the twins were already in their respective cots and MADELEINE in the bed next to the bedroom door. He does not know if they were asleep but from the silence he presumed that they were. As it was still early he took a bath, he thinks that KATE had already done so, they talked a little and drank wine or beer.	Yesterday, after the daily routine, Madeleine and the twins went into the bedroom and were put in their beds at around 7.30. At 7:00 p.m. Gerry arrived and entered through the balcony door. He sat on the sofa identified with letter E. She doesn’t know if the story was finished, but thinks she was still sitting on the sofa. She doesn’t remember having changed the layout of the furniture in the living room, the sofas, the table or others. She says that the sofa (letter E) supposedly was against the side window, because she doesn’t remember anyone having gone behind it. She does not know if this window was open or closed, she does not remember it ever being open, or looking through the window. After Gerry arrived the children went to wash their teeth and she then read them another story, this time all four of them sitting on Madeleine’s bed. She thinks that Gerry entered the room, but does not recall him sitting on the bed. During the story Madeleine was lying on the pillow, but alert and paying attention to the story. Afterwards both twins kissed Madeleine, she thinks that Gerry was in the room, and each one of them, the deponent and Gerry, placed a twin in its cot at the same time, between Madeleine’s bed and the bed under the window. They also kissed Madeleine, who was already lying down. She was under the covers, she thinks, because it was a bit cold. She normally clutched the soft toy and if she wasn’t holding it then it was next to her, on the left. She remained lying down on her left side, with the soft toy and a pink blanket, which she thinks was covering her. The twins were laid down on their backs, covered with open weave blankets. She says that she doesn’t know if the children were in the same positions when they left the apartment. It was around 7:15 p.m. when they put the children to bed and checked they were sleeping, she is sure of this. As the children were asleep, she dried her hair and put on make up. Gerry maybe had a shower and they sat on one of the sofas in the living room, she doesn’t know which one. She had a glass of wine, poured by Gerry, and he had wine or beer. The wine was from New Zealand, white.	Then the interviewee went to her apartment with her children and her mother. In the apartment, her mother, helped by her husband, gave the children a bath while the interviewee went jogging on the beach until 8pm.	At around 7.15/7.30pm, the informant went back to his apartment. He read stories to his daughters, including ** who was feeling better. Regarding the night period, affirms that, on this day, around 19H15/19H30 he went to his apartment. Told his daughters some stories, having stayed with Ee O’Brien, who was a little better but had a hard time sleeping. j Apt with 2 daughters Around 7pm, they went to their own apartments (1) with the children. The interviewee bathed her two daughters, read them a story to send them to sleep. As ** was unwell and had difficulty going to sleep, she stayed with her father who, meantime, had returned. 19.00 hours. Adults and children went to apartments. JT’s daughter E* was sick Russell O’ Brien took turns to stay with E***. j took the children back and got them, you know, bathed and blah blah and got them ready for bed, but that was probably, by that stage that was probably, erm, half seven’ish probably I’d say, by the time we, we went back, if not maybe even a bit later, I’m not sure, but around then, around the seven o’clock mark��? jRussell was still playing tennis she was like ‘Where’s daddy, why is he not putting me to bed��?/FONT> j so they were probably back about, he was probably back about quarter to eight	they remained (tennis) until about 19h00. At 19h00 (sic?) (8.00?) he, ROB and DP had finished the match, having then gone to their respective apartments in which they found other members of the group. (NOTE: They left Paraiso about 6.20..15 mins away, DP went to vist Kate, where was the time for a tennis match?) The deponent said he stayed in his apartment until 19h45 (8.45?) at which time, together with his wife, he went to the Tapas restaurant where GM and KM were already and, from what was said afterwards, Jane. Later, about 20h50, ROB arrived. Then she went to the apartment where she gave her daughter a bath, MATHEW returning at 19.15. The washed and dressed and put their daughter to bed by 19:45 Afterwards they went to bathe the children and put them to bed.	she stayed until 7pm. The deponent then went to the apartment with the granddaughters and ten minutes later, her son-in-law, David, joined them. With her son-in-law's help, they bathed the children. around 19:00 she had gone together with the Payne couple and their children to the apartment in order to prepare them for bed.

	Gerry	Kate	FP/DP	ROB/JT	MO/RMO	DW	Others
8pm	The deponent and his wife remained in the apartment to relax and drink a glass of wine until 8.30 pm. After checking the children, the deponent and his wife and the adults went to the "Tapas" restaurant, around 50 metres away, where they had dinner together. At 20H35, they left the apartment towards the “TAPAS”. Before they left, and because the children's bedroom door was ajar as always, he opened it a little more, listening from the outside and, as there was complete silence, he did not even enter, returning the door to its previous position, with a space of about 10cm. He is certain that, before leaving home, the children's bedroom was totally dark, with the window closed, but he does not know it was locked, the shutters closed but with some slats open, and the curtains also drawn closed. Asked, he mentions that during the night the artificial light coming in from the outside is very weak, therefore, without a light being lit in the living room or in the kitchen, the visibility inside the bedroom is much reduced. Despite what he said in his previous statements, he states now and with certainty, that he left with KATE through the back door which he consequently closed but did not lock, given that that is only possible from the inside. Concerning the front door, although he is certain that it was closed, it is unlikely that it was locked, because they left through the back door. They took the usual route to the “TAPAS”, where they arrived a little after 20H35, not having passed on the route anyone known nor detected anything abnormal. Asked, he said that the dinner bookings were made sinceMonday, it was already the intention of the group to take their meals there. They were the first of the group to arrive, seating themselves at the biggest table, as usual, which is located in the middle between other tables, under an awning with a transparent plastic surface at the front. He mentions that they were seated at the table, in a position that allowed the deponent to see almost the entire back door of his apartment, through which they left and entered and which gave access to the living room. He adds that, among other people whom he does not recall, at one of the small tables was the CARPENTER couple, whom he also met playing tennis and with whom they spoke until the other group members began to arrive. He does not recall the order of arrival but he has the idea that MATHEW and RACHEL were the first to arrive after the deponent. As time went by, the rest of the group arrived until all nine adults were there.	The witness and her husband stayed in the apartment, relaxing, until 8.30pm. She took a bath,NOTE: She was in a bath towel when David stopped by at approx 6.40) did her make-up and drank a glass of New Zealand wine with her husband. Just after 8.30pm, the witness and her husband, after checking on their children, joined the other adults of the group at the "Tapas" restaurant, about 50 metres away, where they had dinner. [size] Gerry was wearing blue denim trousers and sports shoes. She doesn’t remember what else he was wearing. They talked while they drank, until they left for the Tapas restaurant at around 8.30-8.35 p.m. Before leaving they checked on the children, she doesn’t know who; however Gerry says it was him. She only knows the children were quiet. She doesn’t know if they were in their same positions. She says she is sure that they were asleep, because Gerry told her so and all was quiet. They left through the balcony door, which they left closed but not locked. Main door was closed but not locked. She thinks it could be opened from the inside but not from the outside. She thinks that before she left she put on a cream coloured polar fleece with a zipper, and on top a blue raincoat, also with a zipper. Concerning Gerry, she doesn’t know if he put on any other clothing items. Concerning objects, she says they took their mobile phones with them, and Gerry might also have taken his wallet with money. Not sure if they took a camera. Regarding the apartment, and as far as windows are concerned, she said they were closed but she doesn’t know if they were locked. The balcony window was closed but not locked, curtains closed. The second window in the living room was probably closed, she never used it and does not know if the shutters were closed. The kitchen window was probably closed but with the shutters open as there was light in the kitchen. The window to Madeleine’s bedroom remained closed, but she doesn’t know if it was locked, shutters and curtains drawn, and that was how it remained since the first day, night and day. She never opened it. If somebody saw the window shutters in Madeleine’s room open, it was not the deponent who opened them, and she never saw them open. The window in the deponent’s bedroom was closed and she knows they use the shutters, even because Gerry broke them and they were repaired on the Monday; the incident would have taken place on Sunday. When asked, she said that before they left she took some precautions, namely placed the medicine inside a bag with a clasp in her room inside the wardrobe or the dresser. These were Calpol (paracetamol) and Nurofen (ibuprofen), for fevers and pains, both for adults and children (packages in liquid for the children). In this bag there was also a small pair of scissors. In the kitchen were cutting items that were used to prepare the meals and which were not put out of sight. During their trips it was normal for them to take these medicines. During these holidays she never gave any medicine to her children, nor did Gerry. She now says that Gerry also took medicine for acidity called Losec (omeprozole) which they also possessed. [/size] Back to the description, the deponent says that on the 3rd they left the apartment leaving the children sleeping. Knowing that Madeleine sometimes woke and got up, she did not worry about leaving her alone, because when this happened, and it wasn’t always, it was around 2 – 3 a.m., at which time they would be back in the apartment already. They left the apartment between 8:30-8:35 p.m., and headed straight for the Tapas where they arrived 1 minute later maximum. None of the group were at the Tapas because they were usually the first to arrive, but she isn’t sure this was the case every night. There was a couple there who they knew, Steve and Carolyn Carpenter, who belonged to Gerry’s tennis group. They talked with them for a few moments before sitting down. Meanwhile, while they talked to the Carpenters, the rest of their group arrived and sat down at a round table, where they sat every day. Order of arrival: Kate and Gerry first, then Jane, she thinks on her own, then Mathew and Rachel, then Russell, she thinks, and right afterwards David, Fiona and Diane. She makes a sketch of the table and says that both she and Gerry were not facing the apartments. Sketch attached.	DP -Concerning yesterday evening, he states that he, his wife and his mother-in-law arrived at the restaurant at around 8.55pm. According to what he remembers, when they arrived, all the members of the group were present, apart from the children, who were in bed in their respective rooms Then she returned to the apartment and did a few household chores and went out at around 8.45pm, accompanied by her mother and her husband to go to the "Tapas," restaurant to join the rest of the group. TheMcCann couple were amongst the members of the group at dinner.	His partner, Jane, went to have dinner at the "TAPAS" restaurant at around 8.30pm and he went there at around 8.45pm. When he arrived at the restaurant, nearly all the adults were present, without children, with the exception of David, Fiona and Diane. They arrived more or less 5 minutes later. Meanwhile, his companion Jane went to dinner in the restaurant—the Tapas—around 20H35/20H40 with the deponent going around 20H45. As the menu was always the same, the group already knew what plates made up the menu, for this reason the deponent told his wife what he wanted, and that she place the order, while he tried to put Ee down. • When he arrived at the restaurant, all the adults were there, without the children. David and Fiona were missing and Dianne Webster. They arrived more or less 10 minutes after. one child difficulty sleep ROB returned stayed with daughter j8.30 tapas..several adult members there The interviewee went to dinner at the, Tapas, restaurant at around 8.30pm. When she arrived at the restaurant,several adult members of the group were already there, without children, who were, in theory, asleep JT’s daughter E* was sick Russell O’ Brien took turns to stay with E.* JT went to Tapas restaurant at 20.30 hours McCanns were there when JT arrived. Ella and Evie weren’t in bed at that point, erm, I think they, it was probably about quarter past eight by the time we actually put them, them in, them into bed. And then I went down to the restaurant just after half eight jthat stage we knew what the menu was, so I’d got Russell’s order but he stayed, because the children had only been asleep for quarter of an hour, he stayed back in the room for a bit longer, just to check that they were definitely asleep before, before he came, came to join, you know, everybody else��? j Kate and Gerry were there already and they were talking to, I don’t know their names, but they were talking to the two people that Gerry played tennis with in, erm, in his group,...Erm, Kate and Gerry were standing up, so they hadn’t sat down at this point jMatt and Rachael came down next together, the two of them, probably a few minutes after, after me, I don’t think it was that long, that long after me. And then Russell probably about quarter to’ish, I think it was, probably sort of five or ten minutes after, after me. And then it was getting quite late again and Dave, Fi and Dianne were nowhere to be seen j Matt went back, erm, but he actually met them coming down. But I think because he was up he thought while he was up he’d go and have a listen just to check, you know, there was no noise from Grace. I think he must have actually been a bit longer, I think we’d actually been there for about quarter of an hour before Dave and Fi, you know, all of us had been there for about ten or fifteen minutes before they actually appeared, so��?	ay yesterday was identical to the previous ones and that, as on all other nights, at around 8.45pm, he and his wife left their daughter asleep in the apartment and went to the "Tapas" restaurant. Kate and Gerry, Madeleine's parents were already at the restaurant. That they had arrived at the restaurant five minutes before them. The rest of the adults arrived at the restaurant around five minutes after the interviewee and his wife. That the last to arrive at the restaurant was the couple David and Fiona. That the latter arrived at the restaurant at around 9pm. [size] At 19h00 (sic?) (8.00?) he, ROB and DP had finished the match, having then gone to their respective apartments in which they found other members of the group [/size] The deponent said he stayed in his apartment until 19h45 (8.45?) at which time, together with his wife, he went to the Tapas restaurant where GM and KM were already and, from what was said afterwards, Jane. Later, about 20h50, ROB arrived. The deponent and her husband took a bath, dressed and went to the restaurant "TAPAS" around 20H40. They left by the main door, which they locked, arriving at the "TAPAS" about two minutes later. She emphasized that the back door was closed and properly locked. When she arrived at the restaurant there was KATE, Gerald and Jane who were talking to another couple who were not part of the group. RUSSEL had not yet arrived because he was singing the daughter to sleep, according to what she was told by JANE. When they arrived at the restaurant at 20.45 the McCann couple was already there. They were talking to a couple they knew from tennis, whose name she cannot remember. Jane was also there but she was not talking to them.	They left the apartment at around 8.45 and accompanied by her son-in-law and her daughter, they went to join the rest of the group at the "TAPAS" restaurant. The McCann couple were amongst the other friends at dinner. To our question, the deponent told us she never went to the club to check on the grandchildren because her daughter possessed an intercom on which the children's cries would be heard. However, she reported that both Gerard and Kate went several times, regularly, just like other couples, to the club to check on their children's wellbeing.	JW We returned to our apartment. We decided to spend the evening in, watching television. Our son was awake and unable to sleep. I decided to take him for a walk in his pram. I left about 8:15 to 8:30 pm. I was pushing the pram around the complex and went to the toilet near the bar. I could not see inside the restaurant. As I got the baby to sleep, I was on my way back to the apartment. I came out at the top road. I met him near the stairs of a ground floor. There was a gate leading up to some stairs. I was pretty certain that he had left the apartment. We spoke for a few minutes. He said you’re on walking duty. I said I was staying in and pros and cons and what to do with the children. He said that as he was staying two weeks XXXXX he was staying one night… (unreadable) I don’t remember anyone else walking around with a child. The conversation lasted for about three (3) to five (5) minutes. NOTE: It takes little more than 5 - 10 minutes to walk around the complex Q. Relative to the time I met Gerry McCann on the Thursday night of May 3, 2007; As stated in my original deposition, I believe that I left the apartment around 20h30. I calculate that I met Gerry on the road between 20h45 and 21h15. I am aware of the importance of this hour and am also aware that the media announced our meeting time as 21h05. Even if this were correct, I have no idea from where such information originated. It is not possible to give you a more exact time. Q. Relative to the exact location you met Gerry? I left my apartment pushing my son’s pram so that he could sleep. I did not have a particular direction to follow nor did I have a specific time to do this. I left the apartment and turned right. I walked via the lower street, looked to the building block where the McCann apartment was situated and saw a woman dressed in purple clothing. I referred to this woman in relation to the questions asked by Jane Tanner. At the next crossing, I turned right and continued on down the hill. At this point, I saw a man that was coming from the road and was headed to the reception. I believe that he was with a woman but I cannot be precise of any detail about her. It was a tall Caucasian man, with blonde hair in ‘rasta style’ tied with a band instead of free flowing. When I arrived, I headed to the WC near the pool area. He also was in the WC but appeared to be a taking a long time. I do not remember if he was still in that place when I left. I did not see a woman in that zone. I had never before seen this man and did not see him after this.

by **HiDeHo** 15.11.17 14:38

	Gerry	Kate	FP/DP	ROB/JT	MO/RMO	DW	Others
9pm	When asked if in fact they went to the apartment every half hour, he says it is true, and that this was never forged to justify absences during dinner. As usual, every half hour and considering that the restaurant was close to the apartment, the deponent or his wife went to check if the children were ok. Thus, at 9.05 pm, the deponent entered the club, using his key, the door being locked, and went to the children's bedroom and noted that the twins and Madeleine were in perfect condition. He then went to the toilet, where he remained for a few instants, left the apartment, and then crossed ways with someone with whom he had played tennis, who had a baby buggy, also a British citizen, with whom he had a brief conversation. He then returned to the restaurant. At around 9.30 pm, his friend MATT (a member of the group) went to his apartment where his own children were, and on his way he went into the deponent's apartment, going in through a sliding glass door at the side of the building, which was always unlocked. He went into the room, saw the twins and didn’t even notice if Madeleine was there, as everything was quiet, the shutters closed and the bedroom door half-open as usual. Then MATT went back to the restaurant. It is stressed that when one of the members of the group, JANE, went to her apartment to see her children, at around 9.10/9.15 pm, from behind and at a distance of about 50 metres, on the road next to the club, she saw a person carrying a child in pyjamas. JANE will be better able to clarify this situation. At around 21H00, MATHEW stood up from the table, saying that he was going to check on the children. Nevertheless, he did not say that he would go to check on the deponent’s children, and it was only after the disappearance of MADELEINE that he told him that at 21h00 the shutters of the children's bedroom window were closed. At 21H05, MATHEW returned, the time at which the deponent left the table to go check on his children. He walked the normal route up to the back door, which being open he only had to slide, and while he was entering the living room, he noticed that the children's bedroom door was not ajar as he had left it but half-way open, which he thought was strange, having then thought that possibly MADELEINE had got up to go to sleep in his bedroom, so as to avoid the noise produced by her siblings. Therefore, he entered the children's bedroom and established visual contact with each of them, checking and he is certain of this, that the three were deeply asleep. He left the children's bedroom returning to place the door how he had already previously described, then went to the bathroom. Everything else was normal, the shutters, curtains and windows closed, very dark, there only being the light that came from the living room. He adds that he did not enter any other part of the residence, where he was for only two or three minutes, leaving yet again through the back door, that he closed but did not lock. He clarifies that he returned without checking any other couple’s children, even because he had not been asked to do so. After leaving through the side gate, and while on his way to the secondary reception entrance, less than 10 metres from the gate, he saw “JEZ” walking up the street on the opposite pavement, bringing with him a baby buggy with his youngest child. He crossed the road in JEZ's direction who was walking up on the right-hand side, in the ascending direction, both having chatted for 3 to 4 minutes, about tennis, holidays and children. While talking with JEZ, he saw no-one from the group, nor detected any suspicious individual or vehicle. Because he was specifically asked, he relates that during this period of time he did certainly not see JANE passing that location, although he clarifies that he was speaking facing JEZ, with his back to the other pathway, where his apartment is situated. He also mentions that JEZ never told him that he had seen anyone, given that he was in front. He then returned to the TAPAS, between 21h10 and 21h15, dinner having gone as normal. As the movement of people at the table was frequent, he does not know if, when he returned, anyone else was absent, namely JANE. At around 21h30 he drew KATE's attention to the fact that it was time for her to go to see the children, MATHEW having immediately volunteered to substitute her, given the fact that she was chatting. Three to four minutes later MATHEW returned, saying only "all is quiet" (SIC), he having entered through the back door, given that he did not have the key and it was usual for them to enter in that way. When asked at what time he went to check on the children the night Madeleine disappeared, he recalls that this was around 21:04 according to his watch. He remembers that once inside the apartment he was surprised that the door to the children’s room was slightly more open than how he had left it when he and Kate left for dinner. However, it could have been Madeleine who had opened the door after waking and getting up, eventually to go to her parents’ room. On this occasion, the three children were lying in their beds asleep, he is sure of this. Moreover, he says that with respect to Madeleine she was in the same position in which he had left her at the beginning of the night. Madeleine was lying down on her left side, completely uncovered, i.e. lying on top of the covers, with the soft toy and blanket, both pink, next to her head; he does not know if they were in the position that can be seen in the photograph attached to the files After MATHEW arrived and before KATE left, he does not recall if anyone else was absent, although it was very probable that such had happened. He thinks that, on that night, none of the adults nor children were ill. Asked, he mentions that the daughter of RUSSEL and FIONA would have been ill on Tuesday. Half and hour later, without anything to remark, it being 22h03, he again alerted KATE that it was time to check the children. She immediately made her way to the apartment by the usual path, having entered through the back door. About 10 minutes later, he started to worry about her taking so long, and, at the moment the deponent prepared to get up and to check why she was taking so long, KATE appeared running, completely distraught and crying, saying that MADELEINE had disappeared and that she was sure because she had looked throughout the entire house. The deponent ran into the apartment accompanied by the rest of the group who, at the time, were seated at the table. When he arrived at the bedroom he first noticed that the door was completely open, the window was also open to one side, the shutters almost fully raised, the curtains drawn back, MADELEINE's bed was empty but the twins continued sleeping in their cots. He clarifies that according to what KATE told him, that was the scenario that she found when she entered the apartment. Then he closed the shutters, made his way to the outside and tried to open them, which he managed to do, much to his surprise given that he thought that that was only possible from the inside. They continued with searches outside, around the various apartment blocks, the deponent having asked MATHEW to go to the secondary reception in order to communicate the fact to the local police, since he had no doubt that his daughter had been abducted. He refutes, peremptorily, the possibility that MADELEINE could have left the apartment by her own means. The deponent had had the wrong idea that MATHEW had seen the bedroom shutters closed when he was there at 21H30, and therefore he thought the disappearance would have taken place between 21h30 and 22h00, but presently he is fully convinced that the abduction took place during the period of time between his check at 21h05 and MATHEW's visit at 21H30 The second person to go and check on the children should have been Kate, but Matt offered to go as he was going to check on his own daughter. When Matt returned to the restaurant the arguido asked him if all was well; Matt replied that all was quiet. The arguido is not absolutely sure, but he is under the impression that he asked Matt if he entered their apartment, to which Matt replied yes. He peremptorily denies that anyone in the group mat be directly or indirectly involved in the disappearance of his daughter. He presumes that, when his wife alerted him about her disappearance, all the group members were seated at the table. He mentions that, also during the dinner, none of the members complained about being ill or manifested any strange behaviour; there was a relaxed atmosphere. Asked, he mentions that onThursday, 3 May 2007, there was nobody from outside of the group seated at the table, nor does he know any person with the name IRWIN.	As usual, every half hour, and given the fact that the restaurant was close, the witness and her husband came to make sure the children were ok. Thus, at around 9pm, her husband went to the apartment to make sure the twins, as well as Madeleine, were in perfect condition, (Translation or an odd expression to use?) then he went back to the restaurant. Her husband told her that the children were well and that he had bumped into the person with whom he had played tennis, who also had two children. The witness notes that at the same time, one of their friends, called Russell, went to see his children, too, (NOTE: not Jane?) nevertheless he did not go to the room where the witness was staying. At around 9.30pm, at the time when the witness should have gone to see her children, her friend Matt (a member of the group), who was coming to check, as well, went to the apartment where his children were staying and on his way went to the witness’s apartment. He entered the apartment through a glass sliding door at the side that was always unlocked and once inside, he had not gone into the children's bedroom. He remained at the bedroom door, listening for noise and observing the beds. He went back to the restaurant and said that everything was fine. Dinner began around 9 p.m., and she thinks the nine adults were at the table. She ate steak and maybe sardines. She drank white wine and water. She doesn’t know if anyone took any photographs that night, however she thinks that Rachel took photos on one of the nights. When asked, she said that Fiona also took some photos but she thinks it was probably on another night. She doesn’t know whether Fiona had a camera with her that night. She remembers hearing a comment that night about a camera being forgotten, but she doesn’t know who said this or who the camera belonged to. Concerning the checks on the children, she said that Gerry was the first one to check on the children, this was decided on the spot, at around 9-9:05 p.m. He got up from the table and entered the apartment through the balcony door. He came back to the table ten minutes later; he implied that the children were asleep and that he’d met a tennis friend by the name of Jez, with whom he had a chat. During this check, she thinks that Gerry did not check on the children of any other couple, because it was usual just to check on their own children. She never checked on any other child, other than her own. At 9:30 p.m. she got up to go and check on her children at the same time as Mathew, who said he was going to check on his daughter Grace in apartment 5B, and could check on her children. She hesitated, however he said not to worry as he was going anyway. After less than ten minutes Mathew returned to the Tapas, saying all was quiet. At that time she did not ask him if he went inside the apartment, however she assumed he had checked on her children, entering through the balcony door which was closed but not locked. Apart from Matt, she does not remember if anyone else got up from the table.	DP - During the evening, Gerry, Jane and Matthew went, alternately, to their children's bedrooms to check if they were sleeping. He thinks they physically went into the apartments. He no longer remembers in what order they went see their children. The interviewee states that Kate and Gerry, as well as other couples, went to the club a few times, at regular intervals, to make sure the children were ok.	At around 9pm, they had all ordered their meals. While they were eating, it was normal that every 15 minutes, one person from each apartment went to make sure the children were ok. Yesterday, as ** was not well, the interval between checks was reduced. He recalls that Matthew Oldfield left the restaurant at shortly after 9pm to check the children. He is no longer sure who went out first, but five minutes later, Gerry McCann and his own partner, Jane, went out, almost at the same time, to check the children. He thinks that Gerry must have gone out first because Jane saw him chatting with a person on holiday at the complex, a certain Jez. He thinks that Jane only checked their apartment, being worried about . Then Gerry came back at around 9.25/9.30 and they started to eat the main course. At around 9.35/9.40, taking advantage of the lull between two courses, the informant left the restaurant with Matthew to check the children. When he got there, his daughter was crying. He stayed in her bedroom with her. He supposes that Matthew checked his apartment. Matthew returned to the restaurant five minutes after leaving it. His partner came to take his place in 's bedroom around 15 minutes later after finishing dinner. At around 9.55, he went back to the restaurant where his food had been waiting for 5 or 10 minutes. All the other adults had finished. Around 2100 they ordered dinner. • As was normal, in more or less every 15/30 minutes, one person from each apartment would go to the apartments/rooms to check on the children and if they were well. On that day, as Ee O’Brien was ill, this time was reduced. • He remembers that Matthew Oldfield left the restaurant, around 21H00, having gone to the apartments to ensure that no noise was coming from within. • He is not sure who left first. But has the notion that, about five minutes after, Gerry McCann went to check on his children. Around 5 or 10 minutes after Gerry McCann had left, the deponent’s companion, Jane Tanner, also left, to check personally on how her two children were doing. He does remember is Jane or Gerry arrived first but remembers that Jane commented on having passed Gerry on the road, and that he was talking to another guest in the same locale, named Jez. • Around 21h25, taking advantage of a pause in the service of the first plate, the deponent left the restaurant with Matthew Oldfield to check on the children. He arrived at his apartment and immediately heard his daughter Ee crying and stayed in the apartment. He believes that Matthew Oldfield went to his apartment, and is not aware if he was going to also check on the McCann children and went to the deponent’s apartment and asked him if he needed help. • Matthew Odlfield returned to the restaurant, having told Jane Tanner that the deponent stayed behind with Ee O’Brien because she was crying. • The truth is that after the crying, the deponent had to change all the sheets and his daughter’s clothing as she had vomited. • His companion came to change places with him 15 minutes after and told him to go finish dinner. • Around 21H55, he returned to the restaurant, having stayed there for 5/10 minutes waiting to be served his plate. At this point, all the others had already finished eating. Russell O’Brien arrived at Tapas restaurant as E* was asleep, this was around 21.00 hours. The Paynes were late again. Around 9pm, her husband arrived at the restaurant. He had succeeded in getting to sleep. Because of the late arrival of David Payne, Fiona Payne and Diane Webster, the meal booked for 8.30pm, did not start until 9pm, when the Payne family arrived every 15 minutes one person from each apartment went to the respective rooms j ROB arrived j DP DW FP late meal 9.00 j 15 min checks j 9.10 G j9.15 left to check j Saw G & J..G been check already j Saw bundleman jChecked kids returned G& K at tapas j15-20 mins later ROB &MO left jROB stayed jMO checked the kids saw twins jMO informed ROB staying j Ate quickly returned to replace ROB Matthew Oldfield left the restaurant to chase up with the Paynes. But met on the way at 21.00. Matthew Oldfield took the opportunity to go and check on the children in the apartment. Gerald McCann got up to check on the children at 21.10. JT left the restaurant 5 to 10 minutes later to check on her own daughters. On way to the apartment noticed Gerry McCann chatting with J JT was confronted by information that the police technical team could find no indication that Madeleine had passed the junction where she indicated that a man had been carrying a girl in his arms. JT stood by her original statement. At the time she gave little importance to seeing this therefore common sight at Ocean Club. But she did think it was strange that the child has a blanket/sheet to cover it she spotted a man who was going along at a fair speed with a child in his arms with the child in pyjamaswithout a blanket, which attracted her attention. JT took normal route to her apartment all doors to apartment locked. JT returned to Tapas restaurant after checking Gerry McCann already back at table. around 9.10pm, Gerald McCann left the restaurant Five minutes later the interviewee left, in her turn, She saw Gerald McCann talking to a British citizen named Jez. They got to know each other during the holiday and played tennis together. She went past them knowing that Gerald McCann had already checked the children in the apartment. On her arrival at the restaurant (3) Gerald McCann was with his wife Kate Healy. 15 to 20 minutes later, (9.35-9.40?)Matthew Oldfield and her husband, Russell O'Brien, left As their daughter ** wasn't well, and she was crying, Russell stayed in the room. Matthew checked the children then those of Gerald and Kate. According to him, he saw the twins but he did not succeed in seeing Madeleine. But as he did not hear any noise, he thought everything was OK and went back to the restaurant. Matthew informed the interviewee that Russell was staying in the room. (1) After quickly eating the main course, the worried interviewee went to take her husband's place in the apartment (1) so that the latter could eat.(9.45?) During their conversation she did not recall Kate having reported that Madeleine slept badly or that she caused any problems. After 15 to 20 minutes Russell O’Brien and Matthew Oldfield left table together to check Russell O’Brien found E* crying and stayed with her. Matthew Oldfield checked on own children and McCanns children. Matthew Oldfield said he saw twins but not Madeleine but didn’t enter the bedroom. Heard nothing and returned to the table. Matthew Oldfield told JT that Russell O’Brien had stayed in apartment. JT ate quickly left the table and went back to the apartment. Russell O’Brien returned to Tapas restaurant some time later 11.20 (sic) hours that means that Matthew Oldfield went to check on McCanns, Madeleine was probably not in the bedroom. JT believes Matthew Oldfield did not see this therefore didn’t go fully into the bedroom. Asked why Matthew Oldfield did not do his usual “sound check” from outside the windows of McCanns apartment, JT believes he went into their apartment this time therefore he had assured the McCanns he would check inside this time. In order to do this, Matthew Oldfield went along the pavement outside the building, to the main entrance to the apartment. Went into his apartment, checked, came out, returned along pavement until he came to rear entrance of McCanns apartment, went up their stairs and entered by sliding glass door. But JT insists they ask Matthew Oldfield. j so it was Kate, me, Rachael I think Dianne was next to Rachael, here. I really can’t, I can’t really, I can’t picture exactly, but I know, I know I was next to Kate...I think Russell might have been the other side of Kate or Matt was next��? j I was almost facing the bar area jthere were some people inside because it was quite chilly by, by this, it was actually quite, quite cold��?	around 9.05pm, the interviewee went to the area of the apartments. Notably to the area near the windows of all the children's bedrooms. That he did not hear any noise. That he considered that all the children were sleeping. That all the children's bedroom windows were closed, notably the windows that gave access to the fourth apartment, that occupied by Madeleine. That after this check, he returned to the restaurant, saying that all the children were asleep. However, Gerry, Madeleine's father, went to the area of the apartments to check for himself if the children were asleep. That Gerry allegedly went into his apartment and that he checked to make sure that Madeleine and the twins were sleeping in their bedroom, where it was quite dark. The bedroom door was half-open. That five minutes later, Gerry came back to the group in the restaurant. the interviewee does not know if Gerry met anyone while he was checking the children. He did not mention it. As normal, dinner began at 9.30pm. around 9.25pm, the interviewee went into his apartment and Madeleine's apartment to check on the children. He states that the door of the fourth apartment (room?), that was occupied by Madeleine and the twins, was half-open and that there was enough light in the bedroom for him to see the twins in their cots. That he couldn't see the bed occupied by Madeleine, but as it was all quiet, he deduced that she was sleeping. That the light in question was from an artificial source but not inside the bedroom, rather from outside through the bedroom window. That it seemed to him that the shutters of the bedroom window were open without knowing if the window was also open. He states that the bedroom has two windows. The twins occupy two cots placed in the middle of the room and Madeleine occupies a bed pushed against the wall, facing the wall which has the two windows that look out onto the outside of the complex. That the door through which he entered the apartment was closed but not locked. That he doesn't know if it is usual for Madeleine's parents to leave the door closed but not locked because that door is visible from the restaurant. The deponent added that DP, FP and DW were still not present – and as he could see their apartment lights burning – he resolved to go to them, clarifying that he did not reach that apartment as those people were already on their way to the restaurant. He clarifies [further] that he met them near the living quarters, at the corner next to the main door of the McCann apartment. (NOTE: DP, FP saw him in different places and DW daid she didnt see him until ROGS after DP and FP reminded her) Benefiting from meeting them next to the residences, he adds that, on his own initiative, he made a “listening check” at the bedroom window of MBM and the twins at 21h05. That he limited himself to approach the bedroom window on the outside of the apartment to check if the children were crying or awake. He adds to have not heard any noise nor perceived anything out of the ordinary. He went on to do the same check at the bedroom windows of his daughter and ROB's daughters. About 5/10 seconds (minutes?) after the checking he returned to the restaurant seeing that all other group members were already there. They proceeded to order dinner [immediately] after which GM went to his apartment to check his children. Asked if, at that instant, JT also went to her flat, he says he does not recall, adding that they were gone at the same time as each other. Nevertheless, he wishes to add that he has no idea about anyone having possibly mentioned the possibility of both having been together. Asked why GM had gone to the apartment at that time if the deponent had been there a few minutes before, he relates that GM might not have heard him say that all was well, adding further that he had not personally checked the children at that time. Some minutes later, at 21h25, the deponent went to his apartment to do a further check, he having done that together with ROB who intended to do the same with his two girls. At that time he offered [made himself available] to perform a check in the bedroom of MBM. Questioned about his motives for such a check, going against the prevailing/established procedure, or – why would two people have gone to check the three apartments (in this case the witness and ROB going to check their own apartments and that of GM), the deponent explained that both [men] had suggested that KM remain in the restaurant [they] assuming the responsibility of verifying the children. Nonetheless, and the question asked, he relatesnot being able to state exactly if the suggestion was made by himself or by ROB, adding not being able to clarify why it was done, but, in the case of it having been he [MO] to make such a suggestion it would have been due to, having spent days on holiday together, [there already being] a very close friendship with the couple [allowing him] to enter their apartment. That, on that occasion, ROB and he went to their own residences, to check on their own children. After leaving his apartment he went to that of ROB who opted to stay there to calm his daughter who was crying, that done with the deponent went alone to the McCann apartment.He clarifies that ROB's daughter was ill, with vomiting. To this end, he took the quickest route between ROB's apartment and the side garden gate entrance to the rear patio of the McCann residence, to which he gained access through the glass sliding door into the apartment lounge. The door was closed but not locked as KM had said it would be. That he did not enter the bedroom where MBM and the twins were sleeping. He recalls that the bedroom door was half open, making an angle of 50 degrees. He does not know how far away he was from the bedroom door. He recalls having the perception that the window curtains – green in colour – were drawn closed but could not determine if the window was closed or open. Concerning the external blinds he clarifies that he did not see if it was closed or open. He recalls having thought that in that bedroom there was more brightness than there was in his daughter's room (where the external blinds were always fully closed), adding to have had the feeling that that light was coming from the outside – making the point that both were turned in the same direction. Consequently, he admits the possibility of the light he was perceiving was owing to the blinds being raised, denying however that he was capable of assessing the height at which it may have been. The question asked, he was sure that, at the time of his first being in the vicinity of MBM's bedroom, reported as 21h05 in the course of which he had approached the the window of that bedroom from the outside for the purpose of an auditory check, the blinds were, in his view, fully closed. Consequently, he is convinced that at the time of the second check the blinds were more open than on the first check, given that he considers that the light inside the bedroom, undoubtedly coming from the outside, could not have been coming through it [the blinds] if they had been fully closed. Following on, convinced that everything was within normality, given that he perceived no noise to make him think otherwise, and further, due to, in his mind, having managed to glimpse the two twins inside their cots, the deponent returned to the restaurant to finish dinner. Asked, he clarifies to not have seen MBM lying on the bed in the bedroom because from where he was during the check he had no sight of that bed. The question asked, he relates that he thinks he returned to Tapas between 21h25 and 21h30, telling the others in the group that he found everything within normality in the residential block. They had the habit of going to eat every evening at the,"TAPAS," restaurant which is about 50 metres from the apartments as the crow flies but 60 or 70 metres round the building to the back entrance. Yesterday, at around 8.45pm, like every evening, they joined the rest of the group to eat at the,"tapas," restaurant. Her husband Matthew, went to look for David Payne and Fiona Payne. At around 9pm, the couple arrived two or three minutes after Matthew. He had been to check the children's bedrooms, his own apartment where his daughter was sleeping but also that of the twins and Madeleine. He listened at both closed shutters and didn't hear any noise. He also checked to see if there was any noise in Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner's apartment. He said that he hadn't heard any noise. After placing their orders, at around 9.15pm, Gerry McCann went to check, only his apartment. He was held up for nearly 10 minutes because, he said, he had been chatting with Jes about tennis. Today there was a tournament which they both had to compete in. During Gerry's absence, the waiters started to bring the food. Jane was also absent to check her apartment. Gerry returned shortly after Jane. Between the starters and the main course, at around 9.30pm, her husband Matthew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien both went to check on the children. Kate was also planning to go and see the children, but they told her it was no trouble, that they would go and check. Kate, therefore, stayed at the restaurant. Four or five minutes later the interviewee's husband came back after having checked his apartment. He also checked the one where Madeleine was. He went in through the patio door (the couple Gerry and Kate McCann left this door accessible for everyone during dinner) The said patio door gives access to the apartment's lounge where two doors open into the respective bedrooms. Her husband went into the main room and, "hung about," to listen for any noise from the bedroom where the children were sleeping. He didn't switch any lights on. He could see the twins in their beds. The bedroom door was half-open. It was only later that he realised this was strange. At the time, he gave no importance to the fact. The interviewee's husband came back to the restaurant and said that everything was fine, that he hadn't heard any noise. He also said that Russell O'Brien was staying with his daughter, **, who was crying. They had the main course and Jane went off to replace Russell so that he could come and eat. The interviewee does not know exactly when Russell arrived. The deponent states that she sat more or less facing the back of the apartment and MATHEW, on the side of the table, you her left. She does not know if, from that position, he could the the back door of the apartment where Madeleine was, it being that, in her case, she could only see the top end/edge. ----- Then RUSSEL arrived and after another 10 minutes, when it would be around 20H55, the PAYNE family - David, Fiona and DIANE - arrived. About a minute before the PAYNEs arrived, her husband MATHEW got up from the table and said he was going to go, taking the opportunity [of the Payne's tardiness?] "to listen" to the children. She states that, according to those what they [the Paynes] told her, MATHEW passed them on his way out. After about 4 minutes, MATHEW returned to the table when they ordered the food, and said he had "listened" to his daughter and to the RUSSEL and MCCANN children, outside the front by putting his head [ear] against the shutters of the windows of their respective bedrooms and that everything was calm with the children. Both ate fish and salad, the deponent drank white wine and MATHEW [drank] red wine, she thought that, at the time, one glass each. ----- By 21.05, GERALD went see his children, and about 10 minutes later JANE left before GM had returned. A few minutes after Jane left GERALD arrived and said he had been talking to "Jez" about tennis, [she] not recalling if he said anything about the children. During this time she affirmed that no one else left the table. Two or three minutes after the arrival of Gerald, Jane arrived, [she] again not recalling whether [Jane] made any comment about her children. ----- At 21H20 they began to dine, and, at 21.30, her husband MATHEW said that he would go to see to his daughter, Ge. The witness offered to go in his place, but he did not accept. RUSSEL also stood up saying that he would also go to see his children. When they were both standing, KATE said the same, namely, that she would also go to see her children. At that point, presumably, she cannot be sure, if her husband MATHEW or RUSSEL volunteered to go to see KATE's children, and she them that they would have to enter by the back door, which was unlocked. RUSSEL and MATHEW left at the same time. About five minutes later, MATHEW returned saying that the children were all well, and that RUSSEL had stayed in the bedroom as one of his daughters was crying. ----- By 21H40/21H45, when they were at dinner, Jane said that he was going to replace RUSSEL so that he could eat, since she had already eaten. About five minutes later RUSSEL returned to the table saying that his daughter Ee was sick and had vomited, [he] starting to dine afterwards. On Thursday evening, for the same reason, ROB went to dinner ten minutes late. The ritual during dinner was always the same. The Payne family used a walkie talkie to check whether their children woke up. For this reason they never left the table and were calm. This couple when they left, would always lock the windows and doors, in spite of their apartment being on the first floor. The witness and her husband who were staying on the ground floor (5B) in a space of 20 - 30 minutes would leave the restaurant and go to the apartment, entering by the front door and checking on G**e. They always locked the door and closed the windows. The ROB and JT couple did exactly the same as the witness. They locked the door and closed the windows. The McCanns who were staying in 5ª on the ground floor left the patio doors closed but not locked so that every 30 minutes during dinner, one of them would check to see how the children were. Each couple checked on their own children. The Payne family and Dianne arrived just after 21.00. Matthew bumped into them as he had gone to the apartment, but he did not enter, he just listened outside to see if there was any noise. He did the same at the Tanner and McCann apartments. The window shutters of the McCann’s apartments were closed. The patio door that they used to enter the apartment also had its shutter closed. In order to enter they had to raise the shutter. At about 21.00 they were all seated at the restaurant. At 21.05 Gerry went to check on his children and returned minutes later. Jane also went to heck on her children before returning. Gerry said that he was chatting to a tennis friend called Jez about the tennis tournament that would take place the following day. When Jane returned they began to eat dinner. At about 21.30 Matthew and Russell went to check on their children at the same time. They offered to check on the McCann children. After checking his children Matthew went to see the McCann children. In order to do so he entered via the patio doors. According to what her husband told her the bedroom door was ajar. He did not enter the room and therefore cannot say whether Madeleine was in the room or not. All he could confirm was that nobody was crying and the twins were there. Russell was not with him as he had stayed in his apartment because one of his children was crying. Matthew returned to the table and said that all was calm, except for Russell’s daughter, which is why ROB stayed with her. In the meantime they began dinner (at that time they would be eating their starters) and after eating Jane went to Russell to see if he wanted to have dinner. It was about 21.45. She just says that at about 21.15 when Gerry was talking to Jez, Jane saw a man carrying a child in pyjamas, bare foot crossing road between blocks 5 and 6. According to Jane she did not see the face of the man carrying the child. She could only tell what she saw.	Then, as usual, the adults prepared themselves for dinner. In this matter, she recalled that they had been late with these preparations because they only managed to get to Restaurant around 21.00. Asked, she adds that she went to the restaurant in the company of her daughter and son-in-law. Asked directly if someone had gone to her apartment to call them (herself and the PAYNE couple) for dinner the witness said no. Asked if there was the possibility of having crossed paths with someone during the journey between her apartment and restaurant, the witness said no. That night she believes she arrived at the restaurant at around 21:00 in the company of the PAYNE couple. That, at that time, the whole group were at the restaurant. The witness did not recall, but thinks that perhaps Gerald and MATT had not been in the restaurant along with the other members of the group. In this regard, asked specifically whether, on the journey to the restaurant, if they had passed either of the two individuals described in the preceding paragraph, she answeredcategorically not. Questioned about the members who, during the dinner, had absented themselves from the restaurant, the witness says that, as she recalls, there were some people who left, failing to identify which, except for RUSSEL who had left the restaurant and taken a little more time than usual due to, from what she knows, his daughter had been sick. Asked, she states that it would be normal for one member of each of the couples to get up regularly in order to check in their apartments if the children were well. She clarifies that the practice was for each couple to check their own children, it not being usual for anyone to check the children of other couples. The question asked, she thinks that up to the date of the disappearance it had never happened that anyone had entered the apartment of another couple in order to check their offspring. the couple PAYNE and the witness, did not make any trips to apartments, because they had an intercom called the "baby monitor", through which sounds or noises of the children could be heard. Questioned about the members who, during the dinner, had absented themselves from the restaurant, the witness says that, as she recalls, there were some people who left, failing to identify which, except for RUSSEL who had left the restaurant and taken a little more time than usual due to, from what she knows, his daughter had been sick. Prompted to state for the record the movements that occurred that night, during the above dinner, the witness reiterated that she could not say specifically who had left nor when they had done so	Q. From which direction Gerry travelling when you met? From previous conversations had with Gerry, I am of the notion of the usual routine of the group in relation to checking on their children when they were in the Tapas Bar. I also was aware of the location of the McCann apartment. Naturally when I met him that night, I assumed that he had gone to check on the children. I cannot affirm if I saw him exactly leaving the apartment through the passageway, and if he was heading towards the tapas Bar. jwI then walked back to the apartment. I had dinner, watched a DVD and went to bed at about 11 pm. After leaving the WC, I continued to walk around the back of the tennis court, and returned via the pathway opposite the pool in the Tapas complex. Whilst walking the streets, I was hoping my son would fall asleep. Some of the walkways did not have an exit and for this reason I walked practically in circles. When walking one of these paths, I came across a tourist called Curtis with his girlfriend whose name I do not know. He also knew Gerry from the tennis lessons. I remember passing by them but I assumed they were headed to dinner. Eventually, I left one road to the other side of the street to the pool complex, between the McCann apartment and the Tapas Bar. In order to visualise this street, I believe it was the street most used by the news agencies and journalists as all the parked cars indicated during the coverage period. When I left the street, I remember seeing Gerry on the other side of the same. I believe that there was some speculation in the press regarding the circumstances of this encounter. I remember that I crossed the street to talk to Gerry. According to what I remember, Gerry was walking when I spotted him. As I mentioned previously, I assumed that he had gone to check on the children and was headed back to the Tapas Bar. From what I remember, the conversation happened right there on the pathway but I am not certain who was located exactly where. Q. Relative to the time we conversed; I am more certain of this than I am of our relative positions. The conversation lasted for approximately three to five minutes. We spoke of the care of children and how they were getting along. He told me something like “he was on night duty”. I explained to him that I was returning to the apartment as my son was now sleeping. I assumed that Gerry was off to dine with the group in the Tapas bar, but I cannot precisely say this came from him or if I figured this out from our previous conversations regarding the checking system for the children. I remember that Gerry told me if he had stayed another week, he would likely do as I was doing and would stay with the children one night. It appeared as though he was jealous of what I was doing, but given that he was with a big group, he felt the obligation to meet with them every night, and the chosen location was the Tapas bar. I believe that there was some sort of agreement with the tapas Bar as they appeared to have a reservation every night and it was impossible for other guests to book at spot there. I do not know if we were face to face or side to side when this conversation occurred. As I had the pram with me I was rocking it so my son could sleep, it seems to me that I was in the downward direction, but it is possible that I was in the opposite direction. I do not remember having seen anyone else at this time besides Gerry. After leaving each other, Gerry walked downward in the direction of the Tapas Bar and I began to walk in the other direction, up the pathway. I turned left at the crossing and passed the apartment. I did not meet anyone else during my walk and once in my apartment, I did not venture out again. Q. Relative to whether I know Jane Tanner; Now I know her name, description of the clothes and photos which I have seen in the press. At that time I knew of her as a member of the group but did not know her name. I do not remember having seen her when I spoke with Gerry, but I believe I saw her when I first ventured out. She was stopped on the street in front of one of the group’s apartments when I passed her down towards the exit to my apartment. I do not know if it was her apartment or not. I remember that she was wearing the colour purple. Q. Relative to the passerby/transient: I can affirm that it was a quiet street and it was very unlikely that someone could have passed by be in this way but this as an assumption and I do not remember anything having happened. Q. Relative to anything strange in Gerry’s behavior; I can affirm without any reservation that Gerry’s behavior was absolutely normal. He was not preoccupied and conversed and appeared relaxed. He behaved if the same form as with the other times we met. Q. Relative to the visibility and lighting conditions; I believe that the time I left it was dusk (the term lusco-fusco used in this statement is a Portuguese expression to define those brief moments when day and night intermingle in an undefined state, dusk, when day isn’t still night) or nighttime when I returned and I do not remember if it was already dark when I spoke with Gerry. There were no weather conditions that impacted visibility. Given the lighting and the atmospheric conditions, I believe that it would have been possible to see if an individual was near but evidently, the greater the distance, the harder the difficulty in seeing. I would say that when I spoke with Gerry it was possible to recognize someone I knew who was passing on foot at the crossing at the top of the hill or to describe approximately someone unknown from that distance.

by **HiDeHo** 15.11.17 14:38

	Gerry	Kate	FP/DP	ROB/JT	MO/RMO	DW	Others
10pm	At 10pm, his wife Kate went to check on the children. She went into the apartment through the door using her key and saw right away that the children’s bedroom door was completely open, the window was also open, the shutters raised and the curtains drawn open. The side door that opens into the living room, which as said earlier, was never locked, was closed. Faced with this altered scenario, KATE checked that the twins were in their respective beds, unlike MADELEINE, who had disappeared. After thoroughly searching the apartment, his wife, quite scared and upset, went to the restaurant to alert the deponent and the others about the disappearance. Immediately, the group headed for the club and searched across all the facilities, swimming pool, tennis etc., as well as in the apartment, with the help of Ocean Club employees, while at the same time they contacted the authorities, that would later appear. The third check was made by Kate at around 22:00. He does not know how long it was before Kate returned, but he does remember that shortly before she returned he was thinking of going to see what was going on, as it seemed a long time and he thought that one of children might have woken up. He does not remember if he had taken his mobile phone to the restaurant. He is under the impression that he did not take anything with him, except maybe his wallet. He was wearing tennis shoes, blue jeans and a light brown polar top. He does not remember what Kate was wearing that night. The arguido did not take a camera and does not remember if Kate did. He does not remember if anybody in the group took any photograph that night.	At around 10pm, the witness came to check on the children. She went into the apartment by the side door, which was closed, but unlocked, as already said, and immediately noticed that the door to her children's bedroom was completely open, the window was also open, the shutters raised and the curtains open, while she was certain of having closed them all as she always did. Faced with this altered situation, she verified that the twins were in their beds, unlike Madeleine, who had disappeared. The cover was neatly pulled back and the toys were on the pillow as usual. After searching the whole apartment thoroughly, and already quite scared and unnerved, she returned to the restaurant, and alerted her husband and the rest of the group to the disappearance. The group immediately headed to the club, and set about searching in all the buildings, swimming pool, tennis courts etc... as well as in the apartment with the help of employees. At the same time, they contacted the authorities, which would later arrive. Later, the witness would learn that a member of the group, Russell's partner Jane, at around 9.15pm, when she went to her own apartment to check on her children, saw from behind and at a distance of about 50 metres, on the road along the club, a long-haired person, she thinks wearing jeans, with a child in his arms, walking very quickly. But she is better able to tell about that herself. At 10 p.m. she got up from the table, as it was her turn after having been replaced by Matt. She entered the apartment by the balcony door which was closed, but as already said, not locked. At this moment, and because it is late, 11 p.m., the interview was interrupted and will be continued on the next morning. REST OF STATEMENT?	Towards 10pm, Kate went to her apartment, and less than 5 minutes later, she came back to the restaurant, breaking down, reporting that Madeleine was not in the bedroom. Then everybody went to the apartment occupied by Madeleine's family. He remembers comments concerning the fact that the window and the shutters to Madeleine's bedroom were open, while they had remained closed throughout the week. That the apartment occupied by Madeleine's family comprises two bedrooms, a small kitchen, a lounge and a bathroom. That the lounge has a door which gives outside access in the direction of the restaurant. He does not recall any more details of the apartment but he remembers that the bedroom occupied by the children has a window that looks onto the car park that accesses the main road. That he never went into the said bedroom but he could see that there were two beds and two cots. The cots were placed in the middle of the bedroom. One of the beds was placed against the window and the other, the one occupied by Madeleine, was against the wall facing the one which has a window During one of these checks, Kate came back frightened and very jumpy, panicked even, and she announced that Madeleine had disappeared. Search groups were immediately organised, in the apartment, thinking that she could be hiding there, then outside, without success, even with the help of employees. Then given Kate's state of anxiety, the interviewee decided to stay with her to lend her support. The interviewee has never been in Madeleine's family's apartment. Knowing Madeleine well, the interviewee describes her as very intelligent, and totally incapable of going with a stranger without screaming or protesting strongly unless she was very tired or asleep. Concerning what Jane said, the latter only said she saw a person with a child in his arms but she didn't know if it was Madeleine.	At a round 10pm, Kate Healy went out to check her children in her apartment. When she came back, she came towards our table, shouting that Madeleine had disappeared. We all went out, running, and with the help of a few people we decided to search in the area around the apartment blocks. The search proved fruitless. Around 22H00, Kate Healy left to check on the children in her apartment an returned in desperation, entered the restaurant screaming, in the direction of the table where the group was seated, affirming that Madeleine McCann has disappeared. • All of them left, except Dianne Webster, and the deponent with some other people decided to start looking around the apartment blocks, and in the apartments, to see if they could find Madeleine. • In the searches they carried out, after the disappearance, they did not identify any element/person/or suspicious object. • Because he is asked, states that he cannot describe the state of the children’s room after the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, because he never entered there. When they were alerted to the situation, they immediately left the table, and the deponent immediately began searching the immediate areas, heading towards the village and the beach zone. • Questioned regarding if he noticed whether the blind to the children’s room was up or down, states that he cannot answer because he did not look. He remembers that when he went to check on his children, together with Matthew Oldfield, they were talking and did not look to the windows. • Questioned whether he knows if Matthew Oldfield went, or not, to check on the McCann children, he states that he does not know as he stayed with his daughter Ee O’Brien in the apartment, but heard, after, a comment that he was supposed to have gone, but that in the checking, he went to the outside of the door to the room, saw the twins, and not Madeleine McCann’s bed, which was situated at an angle which did not give him visual contact. j10/10.15 K & FP shouting While she was in the room, around 10/10.15, she heard Kate Healy and Fiona Payne shouting that Madeleine had disappeared Looked from apartment window to Tapas restaurant and saw that no one from group were there. Was surprised by this, then hears Kate Healy and Fiona Payne in front of apartment calling out for Madeleine. When JT saw Kate Healy she said Madeleine had disappeared. JT stayed in apartment due to E* being asleep E*** waked but did not go to McCanns apartment.	10pm, Kate, Madeleine's mother, went to her apartment to check on her children. She came back totally shocked, shouting, saying that Madeleine was no longer in her bedroom. At that time all the adults were in the restaurant. Then, the whole group went to Madeleine's bedroom and checked that the twins were sleeping OK. That there was no sign of a burglary in the apartment. Only, one window in the children's bedroom was open. The window and the shutters were open he clarifies that that news had been communicated to all the friends who were in the Tapas by KM subsequent to her having personally been to her flat to check that her children were well. The question asked, he relates that she had gone there alone to do that at 21:50. Noticing the disappearance KM returned in panic to the restaurant where the deponent was in order to tell her husband, GM. The question asked, he relates being convinced that, at the time of that communication, all the group members were in the restaurant – the reason for which he supposes that ROB had rejoined them in the meantime. In view of such news all group members rushed to GM's apartment which was accessed through the rear entrance, namely by the sliding glass door facing the pool. Asked, he relates that when he entered the apartment, from memory, he did not approach MBM's bedroom therefore cannot provide any details about its condition. Asked, the deponent denies that at any time he had perceived any suspicious movements undertaken by unknown individuals (or by group members) to the date of the event or in the days that preceded it. In the same way he relates never to have perceived suspicious movements undertaken by any motor vehicles in the vicinity of the resort where they were lodged. by the way, he relates never to have perceived the presence of a blue light motor vehicle in the vicinity of the Ocean Club Garden. By the way, he denied that at any time did any individuals named IRWIN form part of the table, refuting equally that he had made the acquaintance of anyone so named. The question asked, he relates that he entered the McCann apartment for the first [and only] time on the night of the disappearance (i.e. 3 May), and [that was] on the second check reported above, namely at 21h25. At around 10pm, Kate McCann went on her own to check her children. She came back to the restaurant in tears and told us that Madeleine had disappeared. We all got up then and went with her to see. The surrounding area was combed after having checked that Madeleine was not hiding in the apartment. The twins carried on sleeping. They didn't move. About 21H55/22H00 KATE got up from the table and went alone to her apartment in order to see her children. Five to ten minutes later, she returned the table, crying, visibly shaken, saying that Madeleine had disappeared. Immediately, all of the group, except DIANE, stood up heading for the apartments, and the witness went to see if her daughter was well. Soon after, the men of the group started to do a search around the apartments in an attempt to find the child, at which time the KATE said that the window blinds of MADELEINE's bedroom were open and, as such, she had been taken by someone. ----- The deponent states that she did not enter the bedroom of MADELEINE, thinking that MATHEW her husband also had not done. Then, they extended the search to more distant areas, and her husband headed to the main reception to see if he could find MADELEINE there, since her "nursery" was there, that also being the place he contacted the local police authorities. ----- They continued the search with the help of more people, which resulted in nothing. Further that, about 10 minutes after KATE raised the alarm about the disappearance, the deponent was with JANE in the apartment of the latter. While talking, the JANE told her that when she came to see their children and passed Gerald talking to "Jez", she saw a man with a child, supported in the arms, which would not be a baby and could have been more or less the age of MADELEINE. Also she said that when she saw the man, it seemed strange because he was walking very fast and had a child wearing pyjamas, without any other piece of clothing. That she questioned her [about it], JANE said to the deponent that at the time she had said nothing because she knew nothing of the disappearance of Madeleine and she had not seen the face of the child. Asked, says that, initially JANE focused more on the description of the man and, only a few days later, did she make reference to the clothes that the child would have worn, which would be pyjamas, not recalling if [when] she made a comprehensive description of clothing, especially at the color or design. Questioned, she said that on Thursday, 03/05/2007, there was no body sitting at the table, strange to the group, and she does not know anyone with the name "IRWIN." While Russell was having dinner, Kate went to see the children. Minutes later at about 22.00 she returned to the restaurant in complete panic, saying that Madeleine had disappeared.	During one of those checks, Kate came back to the restaurant, frightened and nervous, even panicked, saying that Madeleine had disappeared, crying out in terror. They immediately organised search parties, both in the apartment, thinking that she could be hiding in there, and on the outside. In spite of help from the Ocean Club's employees, the searches were fruitless. The informant does not know Madeleine well, because she lives a long way from the McCanns, and she cannot say very much about Madeleine's personality. Nevertheless, she reports that Madeleine was calm but active and energetic and good mannered. She was a beautiful and attractive child. Therefore, she can only say with precision that, at around 22.00 Kate McCann returned to the restaurant, seemingly in panic, communicating to others the fact of Madeleine's disappearance. Asked about the reaction of other members of the group when they heard the above from KATE, the witness says that everyone, except the witness, left the restaurant and went to the apartment of the couple McCANN in order to find out what was going on. In turn, as relates to her, the witness says she stayed at the restaurant for about five minutes, then, noting that the remaining members of the group had not returned, she followed in the direction of the McCANNS' apartment. In that apartment she found that KATE was completely in panic, in "state of shock ". Because she was asked, she states that she entered the apartment by the sliding glass door of the patio at the back, which gives access to the lounge. (NOTE: It is claimed that no-one entered the apartment initially) Then she went to the children's bedroom, noting that there she found KATE and the twin siblings of MADELEINE . She added that she did not remember too much detail about the scenario that she found in that bedroom, other that what she said above. However, she states that KATE had repeatedly commented that, on arriving at the bedroom, she had found the window of the room, with its shutter, both open. Yet, she [DW] did not notice, upon entering the room, if the window was or was not open. However, she wants to stress that immediately afterwards, she went outside the apartment in order to ascertain whether she would be able to raise the shutters by hand from the outside, and found it was impossible for her. Consequently she infers that at the time of her arrival at the apartment the window would have been closed already. Because she was asked, she says she does not know if the window, and the shutter, of the couple's bedroom were open or not, in that she did not enter that room. NOTE: It is claimed that it was these shutters that were tried as they face onto the balcony) Regarding the bedroom previously occupied by Madeleine, she does not remember if the lights were lit, but knows that when she entered the twins were still sleeping in their beds, which makes her think that maybe those lights were switched off. She added that, for her to see the twins and their cradles, and the bed of MADELEINE, the darkness would not be complete, but that the room had some light she thinks must have been from the light of the lounge. She adds that that night, and after the occurrence of the facts under investigation, she was in the apartment on two separate occasions. At the time described above she remained about 10 minutes in the apartment. After this time she returned to the restaurant to get her handbag as well as the MCCANN couple's camera and "baby monitor" of her daughter, and was soon back again in the apartment. The question being asked about the people that were inside the apartment of McCANN at that time, the witness said that the McCANN couple were present (although on the first occasion she had no recollection of having seen GERRY), and FIONA, not remembering any other people that were there. However, she admits thepossibility of there being [others] inside the apartment, including David, in that, as mentioned above, all of them had gone to the apartment following the news that KATE had given. The question asked, she states to know thatmale members of the group undertook a search around [outside of] the apartment to try to locate Madeleine, which was absolutely fruitless. The deponent states that FIONA had asked her to move to their daughters to make sure that everything would be well with them, hence the deponent will have returned to her apartment from which she did not leave anymore.

	Gerry	Kate	FP/DP	ROB/JT	MO/RMO	DW	Others
11pm	Concerning the bed where his daughter was on the night she disappeared, he says that she slept uncovered, as usual when it was hot, with the bedclothes folded down. Concerning the other bed next to the window in the children's bedroom, he says that it showed no signs that anyone had put their feet on it, namely, dirt or shoe prints.				She says that the first time she saw the suspect Robert Murat was on the night of 3rd May shortly after they had discovered Madeleine was missing. She saw him for the first time at about 23.30 in the covered area between apartments 5B and D. She thought it very strange as he seemed to be there watching, trying to be the next person to talk to the couples from the group. That immediately, when the police arrived, he introduced himself to elements of the group, namely Russell, accompanied by the GNR, translating all the initial contacts between the group and the police. When asked, she says that she does not know whether he entered the McCanns apartment with the police. As regards the other people searching for the girl outside the apartment he tried to contact them directly, saying that he had a daughter of the same age as Madeleine, offering to translate whatever was necessary. She thought this individual’s behaviour was very strange, given the intensity of his presence. In addition, all the people they contacted that night belonged to the MW resort and he stayed there, in the middle of them, without anyone knowing where he had come from. Because of her profession (personnel recruitment, interviews) she thinks she knows a bit about human behaviour, thinking it rather strange that he introduced himself in such an insistent manner. She saw that this individual was with the police in the area for some minutes before she lost sight of him. She does not know whether he managed to enter the McCann’s apartment. She thinks that after this night she only saw him again on Sunday, 6th May in the morning, in the P da L church during mass. She saw him again on 11th May when he was translating some statements at the PJ in Portimao. She thinks he spoke again and wanted to draw close to her companions with great intensity, wanting to talk about his life, saying that he was carrying out work in a house in the UK, that he had a daughter of the same age as Madeleine, that she was phoning him a lot to ask how he was (which she though strange given the girl’s young age), always showing a familiarity that was out of the ordinary. She always had the impression that this individual had strange behaviour and that he wanted to impose his presence, trying to take part in everything that was related to Madeleine’s disappearance. She did not see him again, except for yesterday, when he was shown on various television channels as a suspect in the abduction of Madeleine. She then felt her suspicions about this individual would be confirmed, feeling bad for not having expressed them earlier to others and to the police.

	Gerry	Kate	FP/DP	ROB/JT	MO/RMO	DW	Others
MIDNIGHT	Concerning the half-hourly checking of the children, it had been inspired by the MARK WARNER system called "baby listening", as referred to previously. On the night of the events, he ate fish at dinner, and sausages and potatoes as a starter, drinking white wine. Usually, between 20h30 and the end of dinner, they would drink more or less a bottle of wine per person. Asked, he says that KATE never told him anything about her having "a bad presentiment" concerning this trip.

	Gerry	Kate	FP/DP	ROB/JT	MO/RMO	DW	Others
1am	It was not until about 01h00 on 4 May 2007 that he learned through RUSSEL that his partner, JANE, at around 21h10, saw a man crossing the top of the road with a child in his arms, that may or may not have been his daughter MADELEINE. Asked, he mentions that he does not recall describing the exact type of pyjamas (colour, designs, etc.) that MADELEINE was wearing at the time she disappeared. The photo of his daughter MADELEINE, after having printed several at the hotel reception, was delivered this police’s agents on location, as well as to other persons who were there.		.				jwThe doorbell woke us up at about 1 am. It was the resort manager who I learnt to be John and one of Jerry’s friends. I think his name was Matt. He is white, slim, and tall with graying hair. From previous conversations I learnt him to be a diabetics specialist. We met him o the way to the destination. Matt said XXXXX to the effect that Jerry’s daughter had been abducted, and that Jerry said that he had met me and wanted to know if I had seen anything. I said “You’re joking”. I offered help but they said there was nothing that could be done at that stage. We remained at the apartment but could see people around the pool and at the front with torches. I also saw the police arriving. We then went to bed. Relative to when I became aware of Madeleine’s disappearance; After having gone to sleep on the 3rd of May, we were woken around 01H30 by the manager of the resort, John Hill and by a friend of Gerry’s. It was them who told me what had happened. I did not see or hear anything else than what has been stated in this statement. I did not take part in any searches. I offered my help but it was not necessary. I did not see Gerry and Kate again until the afternoon of our departure. They were in the tourist complex. This was on Saturday, 5th of May 2007. If was a very emotional encounter and I did not know what to say to them. I went over to Gerry and gave him a pat on the shoulder and spoke briefly with Kate. Together they appeared constrained and I became emotional as well.

by **HiDeHo** 15.11.17 14:41

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	Gerry	Kate	FP/DP	ROB/JT	MO/RMO	DW	Others
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	Gerry	Kate	FP/DP	ROB/JT	MO/RMO	DW	Others
7am	GERRY Thursday, 3 May 2007, they all woke up at the same time between 07H30 and 08H00 MAY 4th on the morning of May 3rd, MADELEINEasked her father, GERALD,why he had not come into her bedroomwhen the twins were crying.The deponent had heard nothing and therefore had not gone into the room, yet he thought his daughter’s comment was strange, even because it was the first time that she made it. When they were having breakfast,MADELEINE addressed her motherand asked her “why didn't you come last night when SEAN and I were crying?”(SIC). That he thought this comment very strange given that MADELEINE had never spoken like this and, the night before, they had maintained the same system of checking on the children, not having detected anything abnormal. When he questioned her about the comment, she left without any explanation.	She reports only one episode where, on the morning ofThursday the 3rd, Madeleine asked the witness why she had not come to look in the bedroom when the twinswere crying. The witness states that she had heard nothing and had therefore not gone into the bedroom, nevertheless she found her daughter’s comment strange because it was the first time she had made it. Regarding the fact that on the next morning, Thursday, during breakfast, Madeleine said to both of them that she had been crying and that nobody had come to her room, she presumes that this crying must have been before she and Gerry returned to the apartment. When she asked Madeleine about this however, the child gave no importance to the matter. On the 3rd of May they all woke up between 7.30 and 8.00 a.m.; she doesn’t know who woke up first.

	Gerry	Kate	FP/DP	ROB/JT	MO/RMO	DW	Others
9am	MAY 10th after breakfast, about 09h00, KATE and the children left by the back door, the deponent having left by the front door, which he locked with the key, having also closed and locked the back door from the inside. They made their way on foot down the usual route to the crèche next to the TAPAS, where they left the twins, (NOTE: PJ reords shows the twins were not at creche)and, while KATE stayed to play tennis, the deponent took MADELEINE to her crèche, through the short-cut, where they arrived at 09h15, and , since it was obligatory, he signed the child's attendance register. On returning, not by the short-cut, he went to the “BATISTA” supermarket where he bought milk, he presumes, making his way to his apartment, entering through the front door, which was locked by key, at around 09H40/09H45. He remained at home for about 15 minutes, putting on tennis clothes	. After breakfast they got dressed andleft the apartment through the main door. All children went walking. The balcony door was closed and locked; she doesn’t know whether the main door was locked or unlocked. After leaving the apartment they left the twins at the crèche next to the Tapas;(NOTE: PJ reords shows the twins were not at creche) at the same time she supposes that Gerry took Madeleine to the crèche next to the 24-hour reception area. Once the children were delivered, they went to the tennis courts for a scheduled tennis lesson. Kate’s group lesson was at 9:15, Gerry’s an hour later. She doesn’t know what Gerry did during that free hour; she presumes he went to the apartment.		J Tennis 9 JROB drive 3 kids J Kate wait 30 mins for tennis J DW wait 30 mins for tennis **** must have been unwell because she didn't go to the Kids Club that day. Kate Healy and Diane Webster came and waited 30 minutes for the tennis lesson to finish at 9.30am. She did not know where the McCann children had breakfast but they were at the Kids Club where she supposed that Gerry, their father, had dropped them off. J Tennis with RM j Rob dropped Ella..walkedEv to tennis? jThursday another group of children came down for their tennis lesson and that’s when Russell and this other person was there with the video camera.conversation with this other person .. because he was taking pictures of his daughter	When the breakfast was over, by 09H00, the deponent took her daughter to "nursery" next to the "tapas", while her husband MATHEW was with RUSSEL to take his daughter Ea to "nursery" at the main reception. The witness says she returned to her apartment, did some cleaning and changed clothes as she had scheduled a tennis lesson for llH00. At 09H45 she left the apartment and went to the swimming pool area where she read a book and talked with KATE until llH10 Afterwards the witness took Ge to the Club. Madeleine and the twins also went to the Club that morning, as well as the other children in the group. Matthew and ROB went to the beach. (NOTE: Jane said she went with ROB - ROB said Jane stayed with him and saw mini tennis)* The Payne couple were also at the beach. The witness, after leaving G***e at the club went to the apartment to get ready for tennis. Also present at the tennis courts between 9.10 and 10.10 were Kate McCann, Dianne Webster and Jane Tanner.(NOTE: Jez claims twoof gerry's female friends were not there)