Re: (Sep 2007) Eddie and Keela found the scent of death on the clothes of one of the Tapas 7

by Bebootje 28.10.11 10:52

I remember this article very well. Braught it up sometimes myself.
Nothing of this whole story can be found in the files that are now public.
I searched for it in the lab results too but nothing is there.

But the story is so detailed, that i can't imagine the media made it up totally. The phone call between Gerry and Russel on June 10, the towel found and the fibres matching fibers in the Renault Scenic.

I believe for a long time that the PJ has more evidence than we know of and was and still is pressured to keep off.
In November 2007 the news broke that two tapas wanted to change their story and were assisted by their own lawyer. I don't either believe this story was invented.
I always assumed that this would be Russell and Jane. Shorty after that and before the rogatories the noses were set in the same direction at that hotel in Rothley

by Bebootje 28.10.11 10:58

Interestingly the news on the bag found near Faro broke on November 5.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/7nov7/MAIL-05-11-07.htm

And the news of 2 Tapas about to break ranks on 7 november.

by Guest 28.10.11 11:16

I think there could be evidence to show Tanner changed her statement. If you look at her 4th May Statement, you will find 2 pages that are different to all the rest.

When people are asked to read and sign off on important documents, they will sign or make a mark in a similar way on each page. If you look closer at the first 2 pages, marked up as page 43 and 44, you will see some different sign-off markings, to those on pages 45 to 49.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE-TANNER.htm

Have these two pages been replaced and this is why the sign-offs are different?

by Guest 28.10.11 11:39

Stella wrote:I think there could be evidence to show Tanner changed her statement. If you look at her 4th May Statement, you will find 2 pages that are different to all the rest.

When people are asked to read and sign off on important documents, they will sign or make a mark in a similar way on each page. If you look closer at the first 2 pages, marked up as page 43 and 44, you will see some different sign-off markings, to those on pages 45 to 49.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE-TANNER.htm

Have these two pages been replaced and this is why the sign-offs are different?

I took a look at the link.

And this one I found strange
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P1/01_VOLUME_Ia_Page_50.jpg

According to this statement Jane Tanner must have seen the abducter twice. Here she clearly tells where the "abducter" was when she got to the top of the road. That means she must have seen him also from behind. So why has she never made a drawing with the man from behind then ?
And if he bearly manage to cross that road before she was on the top, she should have got a long good look at him. And should be able to describe him and even the "child" in his arms much better that same evening. (not weeks/months later )
It clearly shows considering everything she said and done, that this is a big fat lie ?

Edit: Having a second look it looks like the entrence to the apartments(point 7) are much further down that the top road? And i guess thats where Jane must have entered to come to the apartment? She didnt walk to point 5? But if she turned at point 7 how could she then see him at point 8? And if he got to point 5 to 8 at the same time Jane went from point 4 to 7, then the man must have been running? And with a child in his arms? Wouldnt that make you suspiciouse?

Makes it look like an even fatter lie!

by Guest 28.10.11 11:52

Did you notice the sign-offs in the top right hand corner? The person at the top on 43 & 44, is at the bottom on all the other pages. I think this means that this document was changed at a later date. winkwink

I bet they didn't think we would notice this. big grin

by **tigger** 28.10.11 13:10

Bebootje wrote:Interestingly the news on the bag found near Faro broke on November 5.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/7nov7/MAIL-05-11-07.htm

And the news of 2 Tapas about to break ranks on 7 november.

Wasn't the Rothley meeting of the T 9 plus others in a hotel just after this rumour? Weren't all those present handed the same song-sheet by Clarrie?

by Guest 28.10.11 13:36

Stella wrote:Did you notice the sign-offs in the top right hand corner? The person at the top on 43 & 44, is at the bottom on all the other pages. I think this means that this document was changed at a later date.

I bet they didn't think we would notice this.

Im not sure what you mean here. I see sign offs in the top right corner on all the pages ? And none in the bottom?

by Bebootje 28.10.11 15:49

tigger wrote:
Bebootje wrote:Interestingly the news on the bag found near Faro broke on November 5.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/7nov7/MAIL-05-11-07.htm

And the news of 2 Tapas about to break ranks on 7 november.

Wasn't the Rothley meeting of the T 9 plus others in a hotel just after this rumour? Weren't all those present handed the same song-sheet by Clarrie?

Yes, the Rothley meeting was in December 2007

by **tigger** 28.10.11 15:57

Bebootje wrote:
tigger wrote:
Bebootje wrote:Interestingly the news on the bag found near Faro broke on November 5.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/7nov7/MAIL-05-11-07.htm

And the news of 2 Tapas about to break ranks on 7 november.

Wasn't the Rothley meeting of the T 9 plus others in a hotel just after this rumour? Weren't all those present handed the same song-sheet by Clarrie?

Yes, the Rothley meeting was in December 2007

I read somewhere that it was likely that ROB and JT were about to jump ship. Most likely I think, because I've always felt that ROB behaves like someone who's been tricked into a situation. If JT was deeper in he'd have been obliged to come to the rescue. He wasn't at the court hearing re damages and from his rogatory interview it seems that he felt his career had taken a hard knock. I bet he wishes he'd never seen hide or hair of the McCanns.

by Guest 29.10.11 8:29

(Sep 2007) Eddie and Keela found the scent of death on the clothes of one of the Tapas 7 - Page 2 Tannerpg46

(Sep 2007) Eddie and Keela found the scent of death on the clothes of one of the Tapas 7 - Page 2 Tannerpg43

Moa, do you see the sign-off at the top of page 43. If you look at page 46, it is now underneath another sign-off? If you check all the other pages, they are all in the same position as page 46. Page 43 is the odd one out. I thought it was two pages, but it is only one that is different and I'm betting that something on the original page 43 was changed and what we now see is perhaps a replacement.

by Guest 31.10.11 7:50

Stella wrote:

Moa, do you see the sign-off at the top of page 43. If you look at page 46, it is now underneath another sign-off? If you check all the other pages, they are all in the same position as page 46. Page 43 is the odd one out. I thought it was two pages, but it is only one that is different and I'm betting that something on the original page 43 was changed and what we now see is perhaps a replacement.

Yes I see now what you meant. Looks like a replacement could have been done here ..

by Guest 31.10.11 7:58

since this thread is about the dogs I want to show a case going on in my country right now.

Last week a dead body was found hidden in a abanded house, wrappet in plastic.
Only a few days after this mans ex girl friend was arrested, and her best friend.
Didn't take many days before she came clean , and she had murdererd him with an axe while he slept .
Her friend had helped her clean the blood and hide the body...

Today this article came , and it says that after she killed him, she not only cleaned the room, she also painted it.
After she was arrested, they used a special trained dog to sniff the house . And the dog marked many places for blood, and he was spot on.
He marked all the places blood had been. this backed up with forensic and that she confessed...

I can't believe that the dogs in this Mccann case are not taken more seriouse.. ( they where probably more special trained than the dog used in this boyfriendkilling case)

(use google translate to read :) )
http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/artikkel.php?artid=10023174

by Nina 31.10.11 12:02

Re embalming. This can only be carried out on a fresh corpse. Sorry if this sounds callous.

by **tigger** 31.10.11 14:01

Nina wrote:Re embalming. This can only be carried out on a fresh corpse. Sorry if this sounds callous.

I totally agree. Embalming could not be what they were after, I'm sure it's buried (the Freudian slip of Kate when the DNA results from the Renault came through) and my feeling is that someone else did it.
'Find the body and prove we've done it' I would love to find a really reliable source for that, it sounds totally like Gerry and like the 'they've got nothing on us!' is worthy of a Glaswegian gangster. But I digress.

Point is, embalming would preserve the body, that's why my money is still on Huelva. Proper burial, three months later due prayers at the 'graveside' and no more worries. By now there's nothing left, no DNA, no bones, nothing.

by **PeterMac** 31.10.11 16:02

Which is why he twists his face into that sneer and supercilious smile when asked about sightings.

by anil39200 31.10.11 17:20

just a thought but which one of them "insinuated" themselves into the investigation as a witness by "spotting" the mystery "abductor"?

could this be the very person who is actually being protected along with the "holy mother and father".....?

once again, more mystery!

by Fossilfuel 31.10.11 18:48

tigger wrote: By now there's nothing left, no DNA, no bones, nothing.

I would have thought that there would definitely still be bones there, if it was a straight forward burial?

I remember a case where a childs skeleton was found in Portugal, which was apparently a hybrid of Neanderthal and modern man, it was well preserved and was around 20000 years old. I believe the child was about 4 years old at the time of death.

by **tigger** 31.10.11 19:17

Fossilfuel wrote:
tigger wrote: By now there's nothing left, no DNA, no bones, nothing.

I would have thought that there would definitely still be bones there, if it was a straight forward burial?

I remember a case where a childs skeleton was found in Portugal, which was apparently a hybrid of Neanderthal and modern man, it was well preserved and was around 20000 years old. I believe the child was about 4 years old at the time of death.

The soil in the area of Huelva is unbelievably acid, see the Huelva topic. For bones to survive the soil has to be very alkaline. Many prehistoric skeletons have been found in caves and in calcareous ground, such as the chalk downs of the Wessex area. But e.g. Suffolk sandy soils for some reason haven't preserved anything apart from a stain in the graves from Anglo Saxon times.

by Fossilfuel 31.10.11 19:32

tigger wrote:
The soil in the area of Huelva is unbelievably acid, see the Huelva topic. For bones to survive the soil has to be very alkaline. Many prehistoric skeletons have been found in caves and in calcareous ground, such as the chalk downs of the Wessex area. But e.g. Suffolk sandy soils for some reason haven't preserved anything apart from a stain in the graves from Anglo Saxon times.

Thanks tigger, I didn't realise that about Huelva, I was just thinking too generally.
I will find the thread on Huelva (hopefully!) I am still trying to find my way around the site.

I would love to go to Suffolk, it's somewhere I've never been, some of the beaches look gorgeous and unspoilt. The dropping away of the land is worrying though.

by **tigger** 31.10.11 19:35

Fossilfuel wrote:
tigger wrote:
The soil in the area of Huelva is unbelievably acid, see the Huelva topic. For bones to survive the soil has to be very alkaline. Many prehistoric skeletons have been found in caves and in calcareous ground, such as the chalk downs of the Wessex area. But e.g. Suffolk sandy soils for some reason haven't preserved anything apart from a stain in the graves from Anglo Saxon times.

Thanks tigger, I didn't realise that about Huelva, I was just thinking too generally.
I will find the thread on Huelva (hopefully!) I am still trying to find my way around the site.

I would love to go to Suffolk, it's somewhere I've never been, some of the beaches look gorgeous and unspoilt. The dropping away of the land is worrying though.

Just showing off here, but Britain is still recovering from the last ice age and the whole island is tilting slowly, I'm not sure, but I think the West Coast is rising and the East Coast is sinking. Could be the other way round, but it's supposed to explain the crumbling coastline.

by mmmlindz 15.03.12 14:00

probs been said before...

It is revealed that Portuguese police are investigating a mobile phone call from Russell O'Brien to Gerry McCann that was made on 10 June 2007. A team of telephone surveillance officers highlighted the call as it is understood to have contained key words that aroused police suspicions.

Investigators are concentrating on the exact whereabouts of Dr O'Brien when the call was made. It is understood Gerry McCann told detectives the call was made within a 4km radius of Praia da Luz but technicians working on the mobile phone network have dismissed this after examining records. It is believed the call took place 28km from Praia da Luz

If you look on google maps 28km is the exact distance to all of the scrubby farm land area on the outskirts of PdL and strangley a junction on the A41, long way to go to make a phonecall...

by Searcher 24.10.13 0:53

On the Daily Mail article, Sept. 2007 (appreciation to TB for link) is it relevant (juxtapositioning does happen in the media) to see the order in which the Tapas 7 are listed? Take a look, and in relation to other threads here and posts this week.

by worriedmum 04.07.16 15:48

Just wondering if this was ever mentioned again.

by nazech22 06.10.18 13:08

What a shame that the article doesn't state if the blue fleece jacket and adult jeans belonged to a male or female adult!

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