Those incredibly 'unreliable' DOGS............again!
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Pheasantplucker has left the building.willowthewisp wrote:They may have to keep Ruby away from the Find Madeleine fund accounts,eh pheasantplucker?
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Here is something to keep Textusa going for the next six months....
A spaniel in sunglasses
When cadaver dogs alert to the scent of cadaver that means there is....cadaver scent.
A spaniel in sunglasses
When cadaver dogs alert to the scent of cadaver that means there is....cadaver scent.
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"Dogs don't lie"
Sky News 13.01.16 at 16.40hrs
“Dogs don’t lie”
Alun Jenkins – Former Inspector Chief Instructor Metropolitan Police Dog Training with over 7 years experience in that role.
“Dogs don’t lie”
Alun Jenkins – Former Inspector Chief Instructor Metropolitan Police Dog Training with over 7 years experience in that role.
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Should this be one of the hypothetical questions to ask DCI Nicola Wall?sar wrote:Sky News 13.01.16 at 16.40hrs
“Dogs don’t lie”
Alun Jenkins – Former Inspector Chief Instructor Metropolitan Police Dog Training with over 7 years experience in that role.
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Search dogs used in search for missing student
West Midlands Police @WMPolice 36 mins36 minutes ago
''We've never stopped looking for Ozi and our latest search involved @NSARDAOrg search dogs: http://ow.ly/XGCl5''
These dogs are being used to search UNDER FLOWING WATER. A YEAR AFTER OZI'S DISAPPEARANCE.
UNRELIABLE?
''We've never stopped looking for Ozi and our latest search involved @NSARDAOrg search dogs: http://ow.ly/XGCl5''
These dogs are being used to search UNDER FLOWING WATER. A YEAR AFTER OZI'S DISAPPEARANCE.
UNRELIABLE?
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I know dogs can be used this way. I imagine it depends when said child could have been put into water? joyce1938
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I always thought it strange that Martin Grimes didn't hit back at the McCanns after they rubbished the performance of Eddie and Keela and practically accused him of setting them up. Why didn't he speak up and protect his reputation more?
Is it true that Jane Tanner worked in a marketing role for Fisher Scientific UK who manufacture Lucifer Yellow cadaverine?
Is it true that Jane Tanner worked in a marketing role for Fisher Scientific UK who manufacture Lucifer Yellow cadaverine?
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worriedmum wrote:West Midlands Police @WMPolice 36 mins36 minutes ago
''We've never stopped looking for Ozi and our latest search involved @NSARDAOrg search dogs: http://ow.ly/XGCl5''
These dogs are being used to search UNDER FLOWING WATER. A YEAR AFTER OZI'S DISAPPEARANCE.
UNRELIABLE?
And maybe get Barra over too.....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-30431322
Its the obvious resting place IMO.
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Mr Grimes was spoken to by police and told he must not discuss what the dogs found .joyce1938
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The FIRST thing people turn to when in need, physical or emotional, - is a dog.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3641633/Meet-adorable-comfort-dogs-flown-country-support-relatives-victims-volunteers-Orlando.html
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I wonder if the twins have ever asked for a dog as a family pet ?
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I've posted this on the Freud thread, but it's appropriate to this thread also, so I'll post it here too:
Snipped from Tony Bennett Yesterday at 11:42 pm
“His response to our catalogue of horrors was merely to raise an eyebrow. Clement had this way of making everything seem a little less terrible. When he heard about the [sniffer] dogs [which had indicated the scent of death in the McCann’s hire car], he remarked laconically, ‘So what are they going to do? Put them on the stand? One bark for yes, two for no?’
I find the above quote rather explosive.
Snipped from Tony Bennett Yesterday at 11:42 pm
“His response to our catalogue of horrors was merely to raise an eyebrow. Clement had this way of making everything seem a little less terrible. When he heard about the [sniffer] dogs [which had indicated the scent of death in the McCann’s hire car], he remarked laconically, ‘So what are they going to do? Put them on the stand? One bark for yes, two for no?’
I find the above quote rather explosive.
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If you listen to what Martins Grimes says when Eddie alerts in the wardrobe, he says the cadavar scent is in this room somewhere not necessarily in the wardrobe. The smells could have been trapped and was moved to the place at the wardrobe. It still means there was a corpse in that room even though Keela alerted to nothing in the room. Behind the couch a strong alert was given also by Eddie and Keela alerted in same place so you had blood under the tile found and lower curtains.
As for the car Eddie gave a stronge alert at door, so what I am saying is that smell of cadaver was trapped inside that car and smells can get trapped in certain pockets in a room or car. Keela was able then to pin point were the corpse lay as she marked the boot where the evidence was lifted.
I am obviously not quoting Martin Grimes in the above I am just explaining to the best of my knowledge what I heard Mr Grimes say.
I believe the dogs tell you the story of Madeleine, something happened behind the couch where alerts were given by both dogs and the corpse was move to the bedroom then car. There was also a weak alert given by Eddie in the garden so it's up to us to fill the the gaps as the dogs done their work and i for one trust in the dogs.
As for the car Eddie gave a stronge alert at door, so what I am saying is that smell of cadaver was trapped inside that car and smells can get trapped in certain pockets in a room or car. Keela was able then to pin point were the corpse lay as she marked the boot where the evidence was lifted.
I am obviously not quoting Martin Grimes in the above I am just explaining to the best of my knowledge what I heard Mr Grimes say.
I believe the dogs tell you the story of Madeleine, something happened behind the couch where alerts were given by both dogs and the corpse was move to the bedroom then car. There was also a weak alert given by Eddie in the garden so it's up to us to fill the the gaps as the dogs done their work and i for one trust in the dogs.
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From the Met’s Press page:
Meet Paddy, the Explosives Search Dog
• Jun 30, 2016 16:52 BST
PC Ricky Beckford and his partner, Paddy.
To continue our exclusive behind the scenes insight into the variety of roles in the Met, we explore the work of our explosives search dogs and their handlers.
A dog's nose is many, many times more sensitive than that of a human, and so is ideal for tracking or detecting, whether it be drugs, criminals, bombs, stolen property or people.
Explosives search dogs are part of our Dog Support Unit who support colleagues and respond to emergency calls where their unique sniffing skills can be used to help make London safer.
Our explosives and narcotic search dogs must be very calm and work methodically, but must also possess a high level of motivation. The training is reward based, and the dogs must bark or freeze when they have detected the presence of explosives or narcotics. They are taught to search in a variety of environments and they possess a high level; of stamina to ensure they can work for long periods of time.
Watch: Police Dog Paddy detect an explosive substance during a training exercise.
Paddy was able to indicate to his handler his find by freezing on the spot, before being rewarded with his favourite tennis ball.
http://www.mynewsdesk.com/uk/metpoliceuk/blog_posts/meet-paddy-the-explosives-search-dog-47645
Meet Paddy, the Explosives Search Dog
• Jun 30, 2016 16:52 BST
PC Ricky Beckford and his partner, Paddy.
To continue our exclusive behind the scenes insight into the variety of roles in the Met, we explore the work of our explosives search dogs and their handlers.
A dog's nose is many, many times more sensitive than that of a human, and so is ideal for tracking or detecting, whether it be drugs, criminals, bombs, stolen property or people.
Explosives search dogs are part of our Dog Support Unit who support colleagues and respond to emergency calls where their unique sniffing skills can be used to help make London safer.
Our explosives and narcotic search dogs must be very calm and work methodically, but must also possess a high level of motivation. The training is reward based, and the dogs must bark or freeze when they have detected the presence of explosives or narcotics. They are taught to search in a variety of environments and they possess a high level; of stamina to ensure they can work for long periods of time.
Watch: Police Dog Paddy detect an explosive substance during a training exercise.
Paddy was able to indicate to his handler his find by freezing on the spot, before being rewarded with his favourite tennis ball.
http://www.mynewsdesk.com/uk/metpoliceuk/blog_posts/meet-paddy-the-explosives-search-dog-47645
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Dogs are incredible when it comes to searching for the elements/items they have been instructed.
Why else would they be used to locate guns, explosives, bombs, drugs, coinage, bodies and can detect cancer, oncoming fits etc.
I mustn't forget those two wonderful dogs Eddie and Keela with a 100% record re detecting blood and cadaver.
Strange how dogs are relied on so much to save lives, yet in one instance, two dogs with such a faultless record are ignored!
Why else would they be used to locate guns, explosives, bombs, drugs, coinage, bodies and can detect cancer, oncoming fits etc.
I mustn't forget those two wonderful dogs Eddie and Keela with a 100% record re detecting blood and cadaver.
Strange how dogs are relied on so much to save lives, yet in one instance, two dogs with such a faultless record are ignored!
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sallypelt, I agree. And what makes it even more unbelievable is the seeming lack of curiosity of the parents as to what the traces of blood and the cadaver dog alerts might mean for their missing child's fate. IMO, it's all about them. Poor Madeleine.sallypelt wrote:I've posted this on the Freud thread, but it's appropriate to this thread also, so I'll post it here too:
Snipped from Tony Bennett Yesterday at 11:42 pm
“His response to our catalogue of horrors was merely to raise an eyebrow. Clement had this way of making everything seem a little less terrible. When he heard about the [sniffer] dogs [which had indicated the scent of death in the McCann’s hire car], he remarked laconically, ‘So what are they going to do? Put them on the stand? One bark for yes, two for no?’
I find the above quote rather explosive.
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Why don't they forget the scientific trial, and just ask Gerry ?
http://news.sky.com/story/trial-to-see-if-dogs-can-detect-prostate-cancer-in-humans-10712774
Dogs can detect a drop of blood in two Olympic-sized pools !
http://news.sky.com/story/trial-to-see-if-dogs-can-detect-prostate-cancer-in-humans-10712774
Dogs can detect a drop of blood in two Olympic-sized pools !
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Fortunately I have not had the displeasure of reading "madeleine". The above quoted paragraph by Tony Bennett shocks me, particularly the first sentence. To lose a child in the circumstances they have claimed must be the horror of all horrors.worriedmum wrote:sallypelt, I agree. And what makes it even more unbelievable is the seeming lack of curiosity of the parents as to what the traces of blood and the cadaver dog alerts might mean for their missing child's fate. IMO, it's all about them. Poor Madeleine.sallypelt wrote:I've posted this on the Freud thread, but it's appropriate to this thread also, so I'll post it here too:
Snipped from Tony Bennett Yesterday at 11:42 pm
“His response to our catalogue of horrors was merely to raise an eyebrow. Clement had this way of making everything seem a little less terrible. When he heard about the [sniffer] dogs [which had indicated the scent of death in the McCann’s hire car], he remarked laconically, ‘So what are they going to do? Put them on the stand? One bark for yes, two for no?’
I find the above quote rather explosive.
Like I said, I have never read "madeleine" but I do wonder, if in her book does Kate explain "our catalogue of horrors"?
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Yes I agree.........if blood/cadaver was scented, I'd be 'demanding' to know more about it eg I'd be asking how is this possible....NOT dissing the dogs!
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One thing that has never been answered, a documentary referred to these dogs as "DNA dogs". Somebody made the decision to disguise the fact that they were actually "Cadaver scent dogs". My question is who?
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That's on a par with Philomena McCann saying mosquitos flew into the wall to cause blood splatters.
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I think the main point is "why"?Lands_end wrote:One thing that has never been answered, a documentary referred to these dogs as "DNA dogs". Somebody made the decision to disguise the fact that they were actually "Cadaver scent dogs". My question is who?
Media always put a slant on the case, it comes from higher up.
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Douglas Garland triple-murder trial: cadaver dog indicated human remains at 3 spots on farm
http://globalnews.ca/news/3195801/douglas-garland-triple-murder-trial-monday-second-week/
WATCH ABOVE: A cadaver dog's search of the farm where Douglas Garland lived, making up part of the testimony in the second week of his trial. Nancy Hixt reports. VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED
http://globalnews.ca/news/3195801/douglas-garland-triple-murder-trial-monday-second-week/
WATCH ABOVE: A cadaver dog's search of the farm where Douglas Garland lived, making up part of the testimony in the second week of his trial. Nancy Hixt reports. VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED
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