Steve Marsden's WBM screenshot: The CEOP Home page for April 30, 2007 also refers to Missing Madeleine.
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Re: Steve Marsden's WBM screenshot: The CEOP Home page for April 30, 2007 also refers to Missing Madeleine.
NickE
The answer is probably there - but what's the chances archive.org will open it up for scrutiny to the general populace?
BlueBag
Don't want to get in the middle of yours and HKP's mano a mano but I thought you were an expert?
The answer is probably there - but what's the chances archive.org will open it up for scrutiny to the general populace?
BlueBag
Don't want to get in the middle of yours and HKP's mano a mano but I thought you were an expert?
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Re: Steve Marsden's WBM screenshot: The CEOP Home page for April 30, 2007 also refers to Missing Madeleine.
With the related evidence alongside it of the October page I would day no, my experience tells me that the WBM machine had an error that affected all the pages time stamped 20070430 115803.HKP wrote:@bluebag. You never answered my question; do you agree that the McCann.html could have been in existence 30/04 despite the question mark over the main Ceop page?
The alternative is that a process running on or after 23rd October decided to put the October page in an already existing folder WITH THAT TIME STAMP and it ignored timestamps before and after. I don't see the program logic that would do that.
I also alongside all this I don't believe CEOP would have had a Find Madeleine poster made before 11:58:03 on April 30th 2007.
Madeleine was photographed by the pool in the afternoon of the day before.
For something to happened involving blood and cadaverine and then CEOP having a poster ready for 11:58:03 next day beggars belief.
Also the phone records do not support anything for those hours either.
The bigger picture just does not support the idea.
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Re: Steve Marsden's WBM screenshot: The CEOP Home page for April 30, 2007 also refers to Missing Madeleine.
HKP wrote:@bluebag. I don't know if this WILL turn out to be an error, I don't work for Archive.org, you should maybe have a look at the way that the Wayback recreates the pages it displays, there's plenty there to discuss.
@NickE. Can you expand on that please.
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Re: Steve Marsden's WBM screenshot: The CEOP Home page for April 30, 2007 also refers to Missing Madeleine.
I am 34 years experienced with the many and varied problems that computers generate on a whole host of computer applications - I wrote a lot of them myself.Skyrocket1 wrote:BlueBag
Don't want to get in the middle of yours and HKP's mano a mano but I thought you were an expert?
I have also written a web page scraper in my time for three different applications (ahem.. One being the Racing Post and the other The Tote for a glorious horse racing system that didn't make me any money... the other was for information from banking web pages).
I do know what I'm talking about and I recognise the symptoms here.
"Computer filed something with wrong date problem".
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Re: Steve Marsden's WBM screenshot: The CEOP Home page for April 30, 2007 also refers to Missing Madeleine.
@NickE. Thanks, that would certainly add to the debate (no doubt start another one!)
@Bluebag. If thats your considered opinion then fine, mines is that there is no evidence that mccann.html was not in existence on or prior to 30/04 (it was only ‘found‘ by Wayback 30/04). The Ceop home page I have little interest in
@Bluebag. If thats your considered opinion then fine, mines is that there is no evidence that mccann.html was not in existence on or prior to 30/04 (it was only ‘found‘ by Wayback 30/04). The Ceop home page I have little interest in
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Re: Steve Marsden's WBM screenshot: The CEOP Home page for April 30, 2007 also refers to Missing Madeleine.
BlueBag
We're all in the same boat - some paddling one way and some the other so we're going round in circles. Not very constructive but I'm sure we wont desist until archive.org publish a definitive explanation, which surely they should be able to. Facts is what we need.
Fyi - I'm on the fence and still think it is possible that there is significance to the 30 April date.
We're all in the same boat - some paddling one way and some the other so we're going round in circles. Not very constructive but I'm sure we wont desist until archive.org publish a definitive explanation, which surely they should be able to. Facts is what we need.
Fyi - I'm on the fence and still think it is possible that there is significance to the 30 April date.
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Re: Steve Marsden's WBM screenshot: The CEOP Home page for April 30, 2007 also refers to Missing Madeleine.
It's really very simple as far as I can see.
WBM crawled an existing CEOP page for Madeleine on April 30, 2007.
Whatever links were on that page pointed to other pages on the CEOP server.
It doesn't matter when WBM next crawled those pages - the April 30 page would still point to whatever date WBM crawled those pages.
If, for instance, the April 30 Madeleine page had a link to a CEOP page that had next been crawled on June 25, 2015, then if you clicked on that link on the Madeleine page, you'd be taken to a CEOP page that showed the date as June 25, 2015.
If the April 30 Madeleine page had a link to a CEOP page that had next been crawled on October 1, 2007, then if you clicked on that link on the Madeleine page, you'd be taken to a CEOP page that showed the date as October 1, 2007.
I don't see why the CEOP pages and the Madeleine page keep being referenced as being one and the same thing. They aren't. The Madeleine page is its own page and was captured by WBM on April 30, 2007.
The CEOP server is where the Madeleine page was housed, however any CEOP pages that weren't Madeleine pages were independent of the Madeleine page and therefore we're talking apples and oranges. Again.
WBM crawled an existing CEOP page for Madeleine on April 30, 2007.
Whatever links were on that page pointed to other pages on the CEOP server.
It doesn't matter when WBM next crawled those pages - the April 30 page would still point to whatever date WBM crawled those pages.
If, for instance, the April 30 Madeleine page had a link to a CEOP page that had next been crawled on June 25, 2015, then if you clicked on that link on the Madeleine page, you'd be taken to a CEOP page that showed the date as June 25, 2015.
If the April 30 Madeleine page had a link to a CEOP page that had next been crawled on October 1, 2007, then if you clicked on that link on the Madeleine page, you'd be taken to a CEOP page that showed the date as October 1, 2007.
I don't see why the CEOP pages and the Madeleine page keep being referenced as being one and the same thing. They aren't. The Madeleine page is its own page and was captured by WBM on April 30, 2007.
The CEOP server is where the Madeleine page was housed, however any CEOP pages that weren't Madeleine pages were independent of the Madeleine page and therefore we're talking apples and oranges. Again.
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Re: Steve Marsden's WBM screenshot: The CEOP Home page for April 30, 2007 also refers to Missing Madeleine.
BlueBag wrote:The wayback machine was screwed for this page.Get'emGonçalo wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
This is a fact.
....... and this was screwed too - a press release dated and uploaded on 18th June 2007 and archived on 20th June but is in the 30th April 2007 archive (same 20070430115803 timestamp as mccann.html and index.asp)
From archive.is which curiously archives Wayback's archives (note the "saved from" in the screenshot below.)
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Re: Steve Marsden's WBM screenshot: The CEOP Home page for April 30, 2007 also refers to Missing Madeleine.
And archive.is is the same as the Wayback Machine? they are interchangeable?
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I've just tried to make sense of where the rogue ceop.gov.uk record might have come from.
WM seems to encounter difficulties in dealing with CEOP around early Oct 2007. Everything seems OK, then a news story appears, only to disappear on the 12 Oct capture. The 12 Oct page looks very much like the rogue page, except it does not have the 23 Oct news item.
After the 12 Oct capture there is nothing until early Feb 2008, despite the fact WM had been capturing CEOP every few days.
There is nothing whatsoever that I can find in WM on the 23 Oct podcast. Perhaps the rogue page originates from shortly thereafter.
The Feb 2008 pages look suspect, then shortly thereafter, every CEOP capture reverts to text. Nothing worked properly until the URL changed to ceop.police.uk.
There is something about the CEOP site (gov.uk) that gave the WM a tough time.
WM seems to encounter difficulties in dealing with CEOP around early Oct 2007. Everything seems OK, then a news story appears, only to disappear on the 12 Oct capture. The 12 Oct page looks very much like the rogue page, except it does not have the 23 Oct news item.
After the 12 Oct capture there is nothing until early Feb 2008, despite the fact WM had been capturing CEOP every few days.
There is nothing whatsoever that I can find in WM on the 23 Oct podcast. Perhaps the rogue page originates from shortly thereafter.
The Feb 2008 pages look suspect, then shortly thereafter, every CEOP capture reverts to text. Nothing worked properly until the URL changed to ceop.police.uk.
There is something about the CEOP site (gov.uk) that gave the WM a tough time.
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Re: Steve Marsden's WBM screenshot: The CEOP Home page for April 30, 2007 also refers to Missing Madeleine.
@Canada12. I agree, it's on the main thread how Wayback replays the pages and seeks out the latest links.
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Re: Steve Marsden's WBM screenshot: The CEOP Home page for April 30, 2007 also refers to Missing Madeleine.
whodunnit wrote:And archive.is is the same as the Wayback Machine? they are interchangeable?
I'm not sure if it is directly associated with WB or just using a customised OpenWayback install.but you can use it to save/archive urls and query other saved archives which appear to, at some point in time have had the same data WB had for 30/04/07. It seems to archive WB's archives hence being able to find stuff for CEOP on there.
See the 'saved from' in the screenshot above - it is a link to the 300430115803 archive on WB
The 18/06/07 press release I was talking about above is 3/4 down the page under 30 April 2007
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Here is the home page http://archive.is/ which explains a bit about it.
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Re: Steve Marsden's WBM screenshot: The CEOP Home page for April 30, 2007 also refers to Missing Madeleine.
@syn. When did you complete this screenshot, archive.org are probably all over the place since it was first pointed out over a week ago.
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It's not from live WB though, that's the point. It is from archive.is (the page below redirects to 20 June 07 now as expected in live WB) but the version of archive.is is their own archived copy of WBs archive and is not affected by them trying to sort it all out.HKP wrote:@syn. When did you complete this screenshot, archive.org are probably all over the place since it was first pointed out over a week ago.
It shows beyond doubt that a press release dated and uploaded 18th June 2007 and archived by WB on 20th June 2007 for some unbeknown reason found it's way at some point into a 20070430115803 archive
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@syn. Its not their 'copy' its direct from archive.org
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@ Syn
I mentioned archive.is earlier.
There are other pages including a 9 May CEOP press release regarding MBM's disappearance which again contains reference to the 20070430115803 time stamp in its code BUT the question is why? How?
If the mccann.html was grabbed on the 30 April - how? The page can't have been intentionally uploaded with live links to the rest of the CEOP site - I'm sorry but that's twilight zone thinking. So how did the WBM access this page in the first place? I'm certainly not saying that this didn't happen by accident - there are too many wierd things going on here to dismiss that.
I am fairly convinced that the ceop.gov.uk 'October' home page was actually from a 23 October grab. A second page which originated on 23 october 2007 showed up with the 20070430115803 date stamp on it, linked to the 'October' home pages before the 18 June changes. So we have 2 October pages which were wrong and dated 30 April. This second page has only 2 calendar dates - 23 October and 30 April - and the 30 April date is wrong, no question.
I think CEOP were uploading on 23 October 2007. I know a grab was done on 23 October.
Also, I don't believe it's possible to have any pages with the same time stamp - check out others. Dates are the same but time stamps aren't. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Another thing to note but probably of no relevance is that ceop.gov.uk and ceop.gov.uk/index.asp are both calendar records of the homepage but with independent grab dates.
Still I have a gut feeling there is something more here than a simple computer glitch.
By the way, orginally I thought the 23 October podcast referred to on the 'October' home page might have been BBC but I think it was a CEOP one produced for teachers to access by registering with the site.
One last thing, was the WBM actually trawling in 2007 - I read somewhere that up to a certain date after inception the archive was relying on voluntary uploads for its content. Does anyone know if I have misunderstood that or know the date aat which general widescale trawling started?
I mentioned archive.is earlier.
There are other pages including a 9 May CEOP press release regarding MBM's disappearance which again contains reference to the 20070430115803 time stamp in its code BUT the question is why? How?
If the mccann.html was grabbed on the 30 April - how? The page can't have been intentionally uploaded with live links to the rest of the CEOP site - I'm sorry but that's twilight zone thinking. So how did the WBM access this page in the first place? I'm certainly not saying that this didn't happen by accident - there are too many wierd things going on here to dismiss that.
I am fairly convinced that the ceop.gov.uk 'October' home page was actually from a 23 October grab. A second page which originated on 23 october 2007 showed up with the 20070430115803 date stamp on it, linked to the 'October' home pages before the 18 June changes. So we have 2 October pages which were wrong and dated 30 April. This second page has only 2 calendar dates - 23 October and 30 April - and the 30 April date is wrong, no question.
I think CEOP were uploading on 23 October 2007. I know a grab was done on 23 October.
Also, I don't believe it's possible to have any pages with the same time stamp - check out others. Dates are the same but time stamps aren't. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Another thing to note but probably of no relevance is that ceop.gov.uk and ceop.gov.uk/index.asp are both calendar records of the homepage but with independent grab dates.
Still I have a gut feeling there is something more here than a simple computer glitch.
By the way, orginally I thought the 23 October podcast referred to on the 'October' home page might have been BBC but I think it was a CEOP one produced for teachers to access by registering with the site.
One last thing, was the WBM actually trawling in 2007 - I read somewhere that up to a certain date after inception the archive was relying on voluntary uploads for its content. Does anyone know if I have misunderstood that or know the date aat which general widescale trawling started?
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Yes in effect it is their archive of WB's archive of the press release. The source is from 30/04/07 but the link saved fromHKP wrote:@syn. Its not their 'copy' its direct from archive.org
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This is source from archive.is's archive of the WBs archive
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Note the 30 April and 20 June refs
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Re: Steve Marsden's WBM screenshot: The CEOP Home page for April 30, 2007 also refers to Missing Madeleine.
@syn. When was this captured (by you). Have a look at the history on the link you provided (can't do links or screenshot as guest)
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Hi Skyrocket1 :)Skyrocket1 wrote:@ Syn
I mentioned archive.is earlier.
There are other pages including a 9 May CEOP press release regarding MBM's disappearance which again contains reference to the 20070430115803 time stamp in its code BUT the question is why? How?
If the mccann.html was grabbed on the 30 April - how? The page can't have been intentionally uploaded with live links to the rest of the CEOP site - I'm sorry but that's twilight zone thinking. So how did the WBM access this page in the first place? I'm certainly not saying that this didn't happen by accident - there are too many wierd things going on here to dismiss that.
I am fairly convinced that the ceop.gov.uk 'October' home page was actually from a 23 October grab. A second page which originated on 23 october 2007 showed up with the 20070430115803 date stamp on it, linked to the 'October' home pages before the 18 June changes. So we have 2 October pages which were wrong and dated 30 April. This second page has only 2 calendar dates - 23 October and 30 April - and the 30 April date is wrong, no question.
I think CEOP were uploading on 23 October 2007. I know a grab was done on 23 October.
Also, I don't believe it's possible to have any pages with the same time stamp - check out others. Dates are the same but time stamps aren't. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Another thing to note but probably of no relevance is that ceop.gov.uk and ceop.gov.uk/index.asp are both calendar records of the homepage but with independent grab dates.
Still I have a gut feeling there is something more here than a simple computer glitch.
By the way, orginally I thought the 23 October podcast referred to on the 'October' home page might have been BBC but I think it was a CEOP one produced for teachers to access by registering with the site.
One last thing, was the WBM actually trawling in 2007 - I read somewhere that up to a certain date after inception the archive was relying on voluntary uploads for its content. Does anyone know if I have misunderstood that or know the date aat which general widescale trawling started?
I have to fly in a min so won't be able to respond to your post fully until later but will address just one point now if I may regarding it not being possible for pages to have the same timestamp.
It may be or may not be possible normally but somehow at least 4 CEOP pages claiming a 30042007 archive date have the same timestamp or at least they did before WB took the erroneous 30 April pages out of the WB archive whilst they try and figure out what went on.
They are/were
The 9th May press release you mentioned (I can't get into WB at the mo as my phone provider has suddenly decided it's for over 18's only for some reason >,<)
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and non Mccann related
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The two McCann related timestamps can be verified in Chris Butler's email to Lizzy
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As you can see, all 3 had the exact same date and timestamp 20070430115803
In Edit, sorry I misread and misunderstood, you are agreeing with me re the timestamps so scratch the above lol
Will catch up later and will read properly next time :)
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@Skyrocket---"I think CEOP were uploading on 23 October 2007. I know a grab was done on 23 October."
There is no evidence a grab of the homepage was done on the 23rd of October. If you look at the calendar links for 2007---the 'blue bubbles'---not only are there are no links after the 12th of October but the sequential, 'prev/next' code embedded in the grab of the 12 makes it clear there are no more grabs of the homepage until Febuary 6, 2008.
This is why I am insisting this is NOT a mistake by WBM: A page that was never grabbed, a grab does not exist, cannot be misfiled especially not into a April 30 dated file that also never existed.
But we know the April 30 file existed because it is grabbed in the sequential codes both coming and going, as Dr. Martin Roberts put it so colorfully. The 27 April grab looks forward to April 30 and the May 14 grab looks backward to April 30. See links to screenshots in the comments of Dr. Martin's piece at Only In America blog.
The simpler, more logical explanation is that the April 30 grab of the homepage caught some editing shenanigans on the part of CEOP.
There is no evidence a grab of the homepage was done on the 23rd of October. If you look at the calendar links for 2007---the 'blue bubbles'---not only are there are no links after the 12th of October but the sequential, 'prev/next' code embedded in the grab of the 12 makes it clear there are no more grabs of the homepage until Febuary 6, 2008.
This is why I am insisting this is NOT a mistake by WBM: A page that was never grabbed, a grab does not exist, cannot be misfiled especially not into a April 30 dated file that also never existed.
But we know the April 30 file existed because it is grabbed in the sequential codes both coming and going, as Dr. Martin Roberts put it so colorfully. The 27 April grab looks forward to April 30 and the May 14 grab looks backward to April 30. See links to screenshots in the comments of Dr. Martin's piece at Only In America blog.
The simpler, more logical explanation is that the April 30 grab of the homepage caught some editing shenanigans on the part of CEOP.
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@ Syn
Thanks for replying - I've misread several times myself so no worries!
Thanks for replying - I've misread several times myself so no worries!
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Re: Steve Marsden's WBM screenshot: The CEOP Home page for April 30, 2007 also refers to Missing Madeleine.
Is it possible that either:
The URL existed on 30 April 2007 and that the contents of the HTML have changed or
The original HTML was in draft, ready for publication on 30 April 2007? Would the archive pick up created material that was published later?
HTML can be updated over time. Would this affect what is displayed when a URL is put through the Wayback Machine?
The URL existed on 30 April 2007 and that the contents of the HTML have changed or
The original HTML was in draft, ready for publication on 30 April 2007? Would the archive pick up created material that was published later?
HTML can be updated over time. Would this affect what is displayed when a URL is put through the Wayback Machine?
Re: Steve Marsden's WBM screenshot: The CEOP Home page for April 30, 2007 also refers to Missing Madeleine.
@sharoni---"Is it possible that either:
The URL existed on 30 April 2007 and that the contents of the HTML have changed or
The original HTML was in draft, ready for publication on 30 April 2007? Would the archive pick up created material that was published later?"
The archive can only pick up published pages. Most pages have 'static' content--'dead' for lack of a better word, unchangeable like a printed photograph---and 'dynamic' content, content with javascript, like a script that converts text to clickable links. On WBM these links will update automatically, [the explanation for this is right in the FAQ] leading to the nearest available updated content. Basically this means WBM 'took a picture' of mccann.html just as it was on April 30, 2007, while the link to the uploadable poster led to the nearest update of the poster, I think a June date?
Anyway, there had to be a link TO mccann.html in order for it to be picked up by the archiving process.
This link was provided by the CEOP homepage captured by WBM at the same date and time as the April 30th mccann page. [this is proven by sequential coding as I explained above] The fact that there are October 23 links showing on the April 30 homepage capture [again, sequential coding going forward from April 27 and looking backward from May 14 prove this capture date ] cannot be explained by a misfiling of a capture that never occurred as there are no captures in 2007 past October 12. Again, this is proven by sequential coding. Therefore, I conclude the October link TO THE PRESS RELEASE is either 'dynamic' content---while there is no capture of the homepage on October 23, a CEOP press release for that date does exist.---or WBM caught CEOP in the act of editing the April 30th page.
My bet is on the latter.
The URL existed on 30 April 2007 and that the contents of the HTML have changed or
The original HTML was in draft, ready for publication on 30 April 2007? Would the archive pick up created material that was published later?"
The archive can only pick up published pages. Most pages have 'static' content--'dead' for lack of a better word, unchangeable like a printed photograph---and 'dynamic' content, content with javascript, like a script that converts text to clickable links. On WBM these links will update automatically, [the explanation for this is right in the FAQ] leading to the nearest available updated content. Basically this means WBM 'took a picture' of mccann.html just as it was on April 30, 2007, while the link to the uploadable poster led to the nearest update of the poster, I think a June date?
Anyway, there had to be a link TO mccann.html in order for it to be picked up by the archiving process.
This link was provided by the CEOP homepage captured by WBM at the same date and time as the April 30th mccann page. [this is proven by sequential coding as I explained above] The fact that there are October 23 links showing on the April 30 homepage capture [again, sequential coding going forward from April 27 and looking backward from May 14 prove this capture date ] cannot be explained by a misfiling of a capture that never occurred as there are no captures in 2007 past October 12. Again, this is proven by sequential coding. Therefore, I conclude the October link TO THE PRESS RELEASE is either 'dynamic' content---while there is no capture of the homepage on October 23, a CEOP press release for that date does exist.---or WBM caught CEOP in the act of editing the April 30th page.
My bet is on the latter.
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whodunnit wrote:@sharoni---"Is it possible that either:
The URL existed on 30 April 2007 and that the contents of the HTML have changed or
The original HTML was in draft, ready for publication on 30 April 2007? Would the archive pick up created material that was published later?"
The archive can only pick up published pages. Most pages have 'static' content--'dead' for lack of a better word, unchangeable like a printed photograph---and 'dynamic' content, content with javascript, like a script that converts text to clickable links. On WBM these links will update automatically, [the explanation for this is right in the FAQ] leading to the nearest available updated content. Basically this means WBM 'took a picture' of mccann.html just as it was on April 30, 2007, while the link to the uploadable poster led to the nearest update of the poster, I think a June date?
Anyway, there had to be a link TO mccann.html in order for it to be picked up by the archiving process.
This link was provided by the CEOP homepage captured by WBM at the same date and time as the April 30th mccann page. [this is proven by sequential coding as I explained above] The fact that there are October 23 links showing on the April 30 homepage capture [again, sequential coding going forward from April 27 and looking backward from May 14 prove this capture date ] cannot be explained by a misfiling of a capture that never occurred as there are no captures in 2007 past October 12. Again, this is proven by sequential coding. Therefore, I conclude the October link TO THE PRESS RELEASE is either 'dynamic' content---while there is no capture of the homepage on October 23, a CEOP press release for that date does exist.---or WBM caught CEOP in the act of editing the April 30th page.
My bet is on the latter.
That makes sense.
Thanks for clearing that up.
Re: Steve Marsden's WBM screenshot: The CEOP Home page for April 30, 2007 also refers to Missing Madeleine.
I understood that, thank you.sharonl wrote:whodunnit wrote:@sharoni---"Is it possible that either:
The URL existed on 30 April 2007 and that the contents of the HTML have changed or
The original HTML was in draft, ready for publication on 30 April 2007? Would the archive pick up created material that was published later?"
The archive can only pick up published pages. Most pages have 'static' content--'dead' for lack of a better word, unchangeable like a printed photograph---and 'dynamic' content, content with javascript, like a script that converts text to clickable links. On WBM these links will update automatically, [the explanation for this is right in the FAQ] leading to the nearest available updated content. Basically this means WBM 'took a picture' of mccann.html just as it was on April 30, 2007, while the link to the uploadable poster led to the nearest update of the poster, I think a June date?
Anyway, there had to be a link TO mccann.html in order for it to be picked up by the archiving process.
This link was provided by the CEOP homepage captured by WBM at the same date and time as the April 30th mccann page. [this is proven by sequential coding as I explained above] The fact that there are October 23 links showing on the April 30 homepage capture [again, sequential coding going forward from April 27 and looking backward from May 14 prove this capture date ] cannot be explained by a misfiling of a capture that never occurred as there are no captures in 2007 past October 12. Again, this is proven by sequential coding. Therefore, I conclude the October link TO THE PRESS RELEASE is either 'dynamic' content---while there is no capture of the homepage on October 23, a CEOP press release for that date does exist.---or WBM caught CEOP in the act of editing the April 30th page.
My bet is on the latter.
That makes sense.
Thanks for clearing that up.
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