Met Police (Operation Grange) - Bollocks or not bollocks?
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Re: Met Police (Operation Grange) - Bollocks or not bollocks?
by Verdi 27.07.17 20:52
According to the Police Oracle weekly newsletter, the Metropolitan Police are advertising for an Assistant Commissioner to be based in 'taking pride in' London - a cool basic salary of circa. 190,000k per annum (that's about 200,000 in pounds shillings and pence).
No wonder Mark Rowley doesn't want to rock the boat - his lifestyle and pension might just topple overboard. Which reminds me - Andy who?
ETA: What a pity PeterMac is otherwise engaged on more important matters - like doing the job of a 200,000 pounder, free gratis and for nothing, solving the mystery of Madeleine McCann's alleged disappearance.
No wonder Mark Rowley doesn't want to rock the boat - his lifestyle and pension might just topple overboard. Which reminds me - Andy who?
ETA: What a pity PeterMac is otherwise engaged on more important matters - like doing the job of a 200,000 pounder, free gratis and for nothing, solving the mystery of Madeleine McCann's alleged disappearance.
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Re: Met Police (Operation Grange) - Bollocks or not bollocks?
by Verdi 01.08.17 23:56
For the blinkered and hard of hearing lest they forget..
Update on the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann
The Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) has today, 28 October announced the new structure and changes to the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
The investigation into what happened to Madeleine continues but with a smaller team of officers. Officers investigating her disappearance have completed the huge task of bringing together and investigating the massive amount of information held by colleagues in Portugal, the United Kingdom investigation and the private investigators working on behalf of the McCann family.
They are now following a small number of focused lines of inquiry that have allowed them to reduce the size of the Home Office funded team.
Detectives investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in May 2007 have been working through material and following investigative inquiries since the Home Office requested a review of the case in May 2011.
Operation Grange is working to support the Portuguese investigation and this work continues.
While there remain lines of inquiry to follow, the vast majority of the work by Operation Grange has been completed.
This work included reviewing all the material relating to the case which were brought together for the first time and amounted to collating over 40,000 documents from United Kingdom and foreign law enforcement agencies, as well as various private investigation companies.
Officers worked meticulously through the information. Some of the material had to be translated into English, facts had to be cross-referred and diligently analysed to ensure an oversight of what the MPS was examining and to search for new lines of inquiry.
Once this work had been completed the review became a full investigation in July 2012.
The investigation team has taken 1,338 statements and collected 1,027 exhibits. Having reviewed all of the documents, 7,154 actions were raised and 560 lines of enquiry identified, and over thirty international request to countries across the world asking for work to be undertaken on behalf of the Met.
Officers have investigated more than 60 persons of interest. A total of 650 sex offenders have also been considered as well as reports of 8,685 potential sightings of Madeleine around the world.
The Grange team received on average two hundred emails a week, and following the media appeal in October 2013 across three countries, received over 7,000 responses.
For an investigation of this size, the extraordinary circumstances of investigating a missing child four years later in another country, the vast wealth of information and theories, it was always going to be an immense task and required a full team of 29 staff working on it.
With the significant amount of work approaching completion, as with all investigations the MPS has reviewed the staff required to progress the remaining work.
A team of four officers will continue to work solely on the Grange investigation, funded by the Home Office. The enquiry has not reached a conclusion, there are still focused lines of investigation to be pursued.
The officers will continue to be overseen by Detective Chief Inspector Nicola Wall, the current senior investigating officer, and sit within an existing major investigation team on the Homicide and Major Crime Command. This will give them access to officers within that team should they be required to support further operational activity.
Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley, from the MPS said: "The Met investigation has been painstaking and thorough and has for the first time brought together in one place what was disparate information across the world.
"This work has enabled us to better understand events in Praia da Luz the night Madeleine McCann went missing and ensure every possible measure is being taken to find out what happened to her.
"We still have very definite lines to pursue which is why we are keeping a dedicated team of officers working on the case. We have given this assurance to Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann.
"The Portuguese police remain the lead investigators and our team will continue to support their inquiry. They have extended every courtesy to Operation Grange and we maintain a close working relationship. I know they remain fully committed to investigating Madeleine's disappearance with support from the Metropolitan Police.
"The Met was asked to take on this exceptional case as one of national interest. We were happy to bring our expertise to bear only on the basis that it would not detract from the policing of London; and the Home Office have additionally funded the investigation above normal grants to the Met. That will continue at the reduced level.
"I have overseen this investigation since 2012 and am very grateful for the enormous assistance of the media and public so far which, through the appeals, have generated new information and lines of Inquiry. "
Our decision and rationale has been discussed with Mr and Mrs McCann.
Mr and Mrs McCann said: "We would like to thank all the staff from Operation Grange for the meticulous and painstaking work that they have carried out over the last four and a half years. The scale and difficulty of their task has never been in doubt.
"We are reassured that the investigation to find Madeleine has been significantly progressed and the MPS has a much clearer picture of the events in Praia da Luz leading up to Madeleine's abduction in 2007.
"Given that the review phase of the investigation is essentially completed, we fully understand the reasons why the team is being reduced.
"We would also like to thank the Home Office for continuing to support the investigation.
"Whilst we do not know what happened to Madeleine, we remain hopeful that she may still be found given the ongoing lines of enquiry. "
The remaining Operation Grange officers will be deployed to other enquiries within Specialist Crime and Operations.
http://news.met.police.uk/news/update-on-the-investigation-into-the-disappearance-of-madeleine-mccann-135459
[Note: This press release has been reproduced for research and study purposes]
Watch my lips - investigation investigation investigation.
Update on the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann
News • Oct 28, 2015 14:49 GMT
The Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) has today, 28 October announced the new structure and changes to the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
The investigation into what happened to Madeleine continues but with a smaller team of officers. Officers investigating her disappearance have completed the huge task of bringing together and investigating the massive amount of information held by colleagues in Portugal, the United Kingdom investigation and the private investigators working on behalf of the McCann family.
They are now following a small number of focused lines of inquiry that have allowed them to reduce the size of the Home Office funded team.
Detectives investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in May 2007 have been working through material and following investigative inquiries since the Home Office requested a review of the case in May 2011.
Operation Grange is working to support the Portuguese investigation and this work continues.
While there remain lines of inquiry to follow, the vast majority of the work by Operation Grange has been completed.
This work included reviewing all the material relating to the case which were brought together for the first time and amounted to collating over 40,000 documents from United Kingdom and foreign law enforcement agencies, as well as various private investigation companies.
Officers worked meticulously through the information. Some of the material had to be translated into English, facts had to be cross-referred and diligently analysed to ensure an oversight of what the MPS was examining and to search for new lines of inquiry.
Once this work had been completed the review became a full investigation in July 2012.
The investigation team has taken 1,338 statements and collected 1,027 exhibits. Having reviewed all of the documents, 7,154 actions were raised and 560 lines of enquiry identified, and over thirty international request to countries across the world asking for work to be undertaken on behalf of the Met.
Officers have investigated more than 60 persons of interest. A total of 650 sex offenders have also been considered as well as reports of 8,685 potential sightings of Madeleine around the world.
The Grange team received on average two hundred emails a week, and following the media appeal in October 2013 across three countries, received over 7,000 responses.
For an investigation of this size, the extraordinary circumstances of investigating a missing child four years later in another country, the vast wealth of information and theories, it was always going to be an immense task and required a full team of 29 staff working on it.
With the significant amount of work approaching completion, as with all investigations the MPS has reviewed the staff required to progress the remaining work.
A team of four officers will continue to work solely on the Grange investigation, funded by the Home Office. The enquiry has not reached a conclusion, there are still focused lines of investigation to be pursued.
The officers will continue to be overseen by Detective Chief Inspector Nicola Wall, the current senior investigating officer, and sit within an existing major investigation team on the Homicide and Major Crime Command. This will give them access to officers within that team should they be required to support further operational activity.
Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley, from the MPS said: "The Met investigation has been painstaking and thorough and has for the first time brought together in one place what was disparate information across the world.
"This work has enabled us to better understand events in Praia da Luz the night Madeleine McCann went missing and ensure every possible measure is being taken to find out what happened to her.
"We still have very definite lines to pursue which is why we are keeping a dedicated team of officers working on the case. We have given this assurance to Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann.
"The Portuguese police remain the lead investigators and our team will continue to support their inquiry. They have extended every courtesy to Operation Grange and we maintain a close working relationship. I know they remain fully committed to investigating Madeleine's disappearance with support from the Metropolitan Police.
"The Met was asked to take on this exceptional case as one of national interest. We were happy to bring our expertise to bear only on the basis that it would not detract from the policing of London; and the Home Office have additionally funded the investigation above normal grants to the Met. That will continue at the reduced level.
"I have overseen this investigation since 2012 and am very grateful for the enormous assistance of the media and public so far which, through the appeals, have generated new information and lines of Inquiry. "
Our decision and rationale has been discussed with Mr and Mrs McCann.
Mr and Mrs McCann said: "We would like to thank all the staff from Operation Grange for the meticulous and painstaking work that they have carried out over the last four and a half years. The scale and difficulty of their task has never been in doubt.
"We are reassured that the investigation to find Madeleine has been significantly progressed and the MPS has a much clearer picture of the events in Praia da Luz leading up to Madeleine's abduction in 2007.
"Given that the review phase of the investigation is essentially completed, we fully understand the reasons why the team is being reduced.
"We would also like to thank the Home Office for continuing to support the investigation.
"Whilst we do not know what happened to Madeleine, we remain hopeful that she may still be found given the ongoing lines of enquiry. "
The remaining Operation Grange officers will be deployed to other enquiries within Specialist Crime and Operations.
http://news.met.police.uk/news/update-on-the-investigation-into-the-disappearance-of-madeleine-mccann-135459
[Note: This press release has been reproduced for research and study purposes]
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Re: Met Police (Operation Grange) - Bollocks or not bollocks?
by Verdi 04.08.17 12:33
Here's an interesting little snippet I unearthed whilst browsing Kate Healy-McCann's autobiographical chiclit - otherwise known as Exhibit A. It's worth noting, Bob 'Bob' Small of Leicestershire Constabulary, was seconded to Praia da Luz within days of Madeleine's alleged disappearance as a contact point to act between the PJ and the McCanns...
As our main liaison with the British police, Bob was not privy to the investigation details. This was for our protection, he told us, as sharing knowledge we would otherwise not have had could potentially compromise us. In the light of the volume of information being released into the public domain by police sources via the media, this seems farcical now. It did emerge, however, that Bob had concerns of his own. He explained that the British police regarded the use of sniffer dogs as intelligence rather than evidence, and he was perplexed at the apparent fixation of the PJ on the idea that Madeleine had died in the apartment. He told Gerry he thought they’d [the PJ ?] get a shock when the forensic results came back.
The next day Gerry rang Ken Jones, head of ACPO, the Association of Chief Police Officers. He, too, was beginning to despair of the investigation and the way it was being handled. It was good to know we weren’t alone, and that we weren’t going totally mad, but why wouldn’t anyone speak out about this? Many people in top positions were saying the right things to us privately but it seemed nobody could – or would – do anything about it. If someone had stood up and said, ‘Stop! This is all wrong!’ things could have been very different.
As our main liaison with the British police, Bob was not privy to the investigation details. This was for our protection, he told us, as sharing knowledge we would otherwise not have had could potentially compromise us. In the light of the volume of information being released into the public domain by police sources via the media, this seems farcical now. It did emerge, however, that Bob had concerns of his own. He explained that the British police regarded the use of sniffer dogs as intelligence rather than evidence, and he was perplexed at the apparent fixation of the PJ on the idea that Madeleine had died in the apartment. He told Gerry he thought they’d [the PJ ?] get a shock when the forensic results came back.
The next day Gerry rang Ken Jones, head of ACPO, the Association of Chief Police Officers. He, too, was beginning to despair of the investigation and the way it was being handled. It was good to know we weren’t alone, and that we weren’t going totally mad, but why wouldn’t anyone speak out about this? Many people in top positions were saying the right things to us privately but it seemed nobody could – or would – do anything about it. If someone had stood up and said, ‘Stop! This is all wrong!’ things could have been very different.
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Re: Met Police (Operation Grange) - Bollocks or not bollocks?
by Keitei 04.08.17 13:17
Verdi wrote:Here's an interesting little snippet I unearthed whilst browsing Kate Healy-McCann's autobiographical chiclit - otherwise known as Exhibit A. It's worth noting, Bob 'Bob' Small of Leicestershire Constabulary, was seconded to Praia da Luz within days of Madeleine's alleged disappearance as a contact point to act between the PJ and the McCanns...
As our main liaison with the British police, Bob was not privy to the investigation details. This was for our protection, he told us, as sharing knowledge we would otherwise not have had could potentially compromise us. In the light of the volume of information being released into the public domain by police sources via the media, this seems farcical now. It did emerge, however, that Bob had concerns of his own. He explained that the British police regarded the use of sniffer dogs as intelligence rather than evidence, and he was perplexed at the apparent fixation of the PJ on the idea that Madeleine had died in the apartment. He told Gerry he thought they’d [the PJ ?] get a shock when the forensic results came back.
The next day Gerry rang Ken Jones, head of ACPO, the Association of Chief Police Officers. He, too, was beginning to despair of the investigation and the way it was being handled. It was good to know we weren’t alone, and that we weren’t going totally mad, but why wouldn’t anyone speak out about this? Many people in top positions were saying the right things to us privately but it seemed nobody could – or would – do anything about it. If someone had stood up and said, ‘Stop! This is all wrong!’ things could have been very different.
Oh the irony is painful. "If someone had stood up and said, ‘Stop! This is all wrong!’ things could have been very different."
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by willowthewisp 04.08.17 13:51
that's the 64,000 dollar question though isn't it,Stop! this is all wrong,"things could have been very different"?Keitei wrote:Verdi wrote:Here's an interesting little snippet I unearthed whilst browsing Kate Healy-McCann's autobiographical chiclit - otherwise known as Exhibit A. It's worth noting, Bob 'Bob' Small of Leicestershire Constabulary, was seconded to Praia da Luz within days of Madeleine's alleged disappearance as a contact point to act between the PJ and the McCanns...
As our main liaison with the British police, Bob was not privy to the investigation details. This was for our protection, he told us, as sharing knowledge we would otherwise not have had could potentially compromise us. In the light of the volume of information being released into the public domain by police sources via the media, this seems farcical now. It did emerge, however, that Bob had concerns of his own. He explained that the British police regarded the use of sniffer dogs as intelligence rather than evidence, and he was perplexed at the apparent fixation of the PJ on the idea that Madeleine had died in the apartment. He told Gerry he thought they’d [the PJ ?] get a shock when the forensic results came back.
The next day Gerry rang Ken Jones, head of ACPO, the Association of Chief Police Officers. He, too, was beginning to despair of the investigation and the way it was being handled. It was good to know we weren’t alone, and that we weren’t going totally mad, but why wouldn’t anyone speak out about this? Many people in top positions were saying the right things to us privately but it seemed nobody could – or would – do anything about it. If someone had stood up and said, ‘Stop! This is all wrong!’ things could have been very different.
Oh the irony is painful. "If someone had stood up and said, ‘Stop! This is all wrong!’ things could have been very different."
We are where we are today,because of other peoples actions,signed depositions,Duplicity,Deceitfulness oh and not to forget Six years of a so called Investigation farce Operation Grange,is it now Four Special Crime Watch programmes October 2013,Two Male e-fits but now looking for a Women dressed in Purple last seen loitering with intent around apartment block 5a Ocean Club 3 May 2007?
As highlighted in Red,"Forensic Results"so what if the Results were doctored FFS quickly disbanded after the result published(Bob Small)isn't this"Perverting the Court of Justice"?
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Re: Met Police (Operation Grange) - Bollocks or not bollocks?
by Verdi 04.08.17 15:29
I was going to add a comment at the foot of the post but the OCD in me wouldn't allow - couldn't get rid of giant red bold letters, didn't want my comments to appear as such.willowthewisp wrote:As highlighted in Red,"Forensic Results"so what if the Results were doctored FFS quickly disbanded after the result published(Bob Small)isn't this"Perverting the Court of Justice"?
As I read it, 'Bob's' aside about the forensic results (if indeed one can believe Kate McCann's version of events - she may have been only reinforcing the rubbish trained dogs storyline), implies prior knowledge. This case seems to be riddled with examples of perverting the course of justice and that includes Gerry McCann's call to the ACPO.
Can a prime suspect in a serious criminal investigation pervert the course of justice? I rather think they can - and do!
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Re: Met Police (Operation Grange) - Bollocks or not bollocks?
by sandancer 04.08.17 18:30
Perverting the course of justice
Misconduct in Public Office
It's all there for those who want to see it !
" Stop , this is all wrong "
Exactly what folk here on CMOMM and other places have been shouting for 10 years and will continue to shout until the truth is told and Madeleine has justice .
Misconduct in Public Office
It's all there for those who want to see it !
" Stop , this is all wrong "
Exactly what folk here on CMOMM and other places have been shouting for 10 years and will continue to shout until the truth is told and Madeleine has justice .
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Re: Met Police (Operation Grange) - Bollocks or not bollocks?
by polyenne 04.08.17 18:38
Amazing isn't it ? The next day, Gerry picks up the phone and calls the head of the ACPO.....simples !
All on speed dial : Sky, Gordon Brown, UK Consular General to Portugal to name but a few
All on speed dial : Sky, Gordon Brown, UK Consular General to Portugal to name but a few
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Re: Met Police (Operation Grange) - Bollocks or not bollocks?
by Guest 04.08.17 20:24
Big flashing sign... "Establishment cover-up".polyenne wrote:Amazing isn't it ? The next day, Gerry picks up the phone and calls the head of the ACPO.....simples !
FFS why?
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Re: Met Police (Operation Grange) - Bollocks or not bollocks?
by polyenne 04.08.17 20:44
This is why Madeleine's body can never/will never be found. If it isn't, cause of death cannot be established, perpetrators cannot be identified and the can of worms, as to why the whole convoluted cover-up is necessary, need not be opened.
Unless of course, someone in the know becomes loose-lipped.
But why the cover up in the first place ?
Does Madeleine's body give up a dirty secret that implicates someone very important ?
Does Madeleine's body give up proof of medical experimentation ?
Does Madeleine's body give up proof of sexual molestation and, if so, by whom ?
Poor Madeleine, the fight for the truth will not wane or waver.
Unless of course, someone in the know becomes loose-lipped.
But why the cover up in the first place ?
Does Madeleine's body give up a dirty secret that implicates someone very important ?
Does Madeleine's body give up proof of medical experimentation ?
Does Madeleine's body give up proof of sexual molestation and, if so, by whom ?
Poor Madeleine, the fight for the truth will not wane or waver.
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Re: Met Police (Operation Grange) - Bollocks or not bollocks?
by skyrocket 05.08.17 8:30
@polyenne - I think if it were just a matter of conscience; friendship; reputation, etc, that someone might eventually talk. Perhaps someone who was close to, or after the event became close to, someone who is in the know, such as an x-partner or friend. However the words of someone I don't know but who I have an immense amount of respect for, the humble Professor Phil Scraton of Hillsborough disaster campaign 'fame', give an indication of what might well be going on behind the scenes in the Madeleine case:
'I remembered a more sinister call to my ex-directory number. This was a quite different, well-spoken male voice, which calmly and accurately listed the projects I had researched, ending with the comment “apologist for football hooligans”. Without pausing he named my children, their schools and what time they left home in the morning. Before putting down the phone he told me none of us were safe'.
Chilling is the only word for it. This brave man (with many others) persisted and came through 'triumphant' (remembering that 96 lost their lives and that a whole stadium full of Liverpool supporters were labelled as hooligans and worse), but they were blocked for endless years by ALL in a position to be able to do so - government; police; inquiries; etc. The Sun newspaper spread the lies as gospel.
I'll add that the police officers (and ambulance crews) in the front line on the day did not start out or intend to deceive - their written recollections (rather than sworn statements) were collected and systematically altered by a team of higher officers and lawyers (under the direct orders of the Chief Constable) to contrive a version of events which transferred blame away from poor police control and response, to the 'ramapaging', 'inebriated' (lies) fans. Statements were typed up and front line officers' signatures forged. Who can imagine the sort of pressure or threats they were under to keep quiet.
I am 100% convinced that this is a cover up of the highest order.
'I remembered a more sinister call to my ex-directory number. This was a quite different, well-spoken male voice, which calmly and accurately listed the projects I had researched, ending with the comment “apologist for football hooligans”. Without pausing he named my children, their schools and what time they left home in the morning. Before putting down the phone he told me none of us were safe'.
Chilling is the only word for it. This brave man (with many others) persisted and came through 'triumphant' (remembering that 96 lost their lives and that a whole stadium full of Liverpool supporters were labelled as hooligans and worse), but they were blocked for endless years by ALL in a position to be able to do so - government; police; inquiries; etc. The Sun newspaper spread the lies as gospel.
I'll add that the police officers (and ambulance crews) in the front line on the day did not start out or intend to deceive - their written recollections (rather than sworn statements) were collected and systematically altered by a team of higher officers and lawyers (under the direct orders of the Chief Constable) to contrive a version of events which transferred blame away from poor police control and response, to the 'ramapaging', 'inebriated' (lies) fans. Statements were typed up and front line officers' signatures forged. Who can imagine the sort of pressure or threats they were under to keep quiet.
I am 100% convinced that this is a cover up of the highest order.
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by willowthewisp 05.08.17 13:49
Hi Skyrocket,thanks for your post on Mr Scraton's mysterious phone call,emphasising knowledge of his family,surely a phone call of this nature must have been reported to the Police with the"Threats"to his family,was it someone from MI5/6 offering such timely advice?skyrocket wrote:@polyenne - I think if it were just a matter of conscience; friendship; reputation, etc, that someone might eventually talk. Perhaps someone who was close to, or after the event became close to, someone who is in the know, such as an x-partner or friend. However the words of someone I don't know but who I have an immense amount of respect for, the humble Professor Phil Scraton of Hillsborough disaster campaign 'fame', give an indication of what might well be going on behind the scenes in the Madeleine case:
'I remembered a more sinister call to my ex-directory number. This was a quite different, well-spoken male voice, which calmly and accurately listed the projects I had researched, ending with the comment “apologist for football hooligans”. Without pausing he named my children, their schools and what time they left home in the morning. Before putting down the phone he told me none of us were safe'.
Chilling is the only word for it. This brave man (with many others) persisted and came through 'triumphant' (remembering that 96 lost their lives and that a whole stadium full of Liverpool supporters were labelled as hooligans and worse), but they were blocked for endless years by ALL in a position to be able to do so - government; police; inquiries; etc. The Sun newspaper spread the lies as gospel.
I'll add that the police officers (and ambulance crews) in the front line on the day did not start out or intend to deceive - their written recollections (rather than sworn statements) were collected and systematically altered by a team of higher officers and lawyers (under the direct orders of the Chief Constable) to contrive a version of events which transferred blame away from poor police control and response, to the 'ramapaging', 'inebriated' (lies) fans. Statements were typed up and front line officers' signatures forged. Who can imagine the sort of pressure or threats they were under to keep quiet.
I am 100% convinced that this is a cover up of the highest order.
Paul Foot was castigated for years as being an IRA sympathiser,during his investigations into the Birmingham Six and the way the Police had extracted the confessions from these innocent men!
Suffice to say,the Police then knowingly altered the Sworn statements to fit the Crime,who then went into a Court of Justice and then gave their version of events of the Pub Bombings?
There has been another Cover Up of an unsolved Murder by the UK Government of Daniel Morgan 10 March 1987,found bludgeoned to Death in a Publican parking area,with an Axe?
To this date well over £600 million pounds is thought to have been spent on collapsed Criminal Court actions and there is a very long list of associations to Employees from Rupert Murdoch's News Papers,Andy Coulson,Rebecca Brooks,the Cameron Brothers,also linking in the phone Hacking into this Equation,via Yates of the Yard,yes it is a very Murky World within the Metropolitan Police Service,just ask Area Commander Cressida Dick and Assistant Commander Mark Rowley,Operation Grange,statement of Not having interviewed under Caution Mr and Mrs McCann,Tapas crew over Madeleine's disappearance,reported as 3 May 2007?
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Re: Met Police (Operation Grange) - Bollocks or not bollocks?
by Phoebe 12.08.17 11:18
Operation Grange announced that it was going to investigate the abduction as if it had happened in the U.K. but the fact is, it hasn't done so. Don' t the police still look closely at motive, means and opportunity when seeking the most likely suspects? They believe Madeleine was abducted so let's start with opportunity. Who knew that (allegedly) A) There were no adults in 5G that night, B) that the patio doors had been left open to facilitate entry? Answer - the Tapas 9. Who had the opportunity to be seen in or around 5G without raising suspicion? Answer - the Tapas 9. Who (besides the "not suspects" parents) was, by their own admission, in or around 5G that night? Well Matthew Oldfield admits entering 5G during the "window of opportunity" between 9 and 10 p.m., Russell O Brien and Jane Tanner were also in the vicinity during this critical time. None have alibis to confirm what they were doing so all three definitely had the opportunity. Means - well, they had even better means than any outside kidnapper. They could walk in like anyone else but had the added advantage of knowing how much time they would have before the next check and, if caught in the act, had the best means of making the removal of Madeleine seem innocent. (heard her crying and decided to take her outside to calm her/bring her to her mother). Even if they left behind forensic traces these could be readily explained away. Motive? For all S.Y. knows they could have been motivated by covert spite, revenge, anger, whatever, against Madeleine or her family. The point is they were the ones with the most opportunity and means yet it appears that none of them were investigated despite accounts of their actions during the time-frame being contradictory and confused. Instead S.Y. ignored them and focused fruitlessly on bungling burglars and passing paedophiles who had much more dubious opportunity, means or motive. It seems traditional police methods don't apply to Operation Grange.
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Re: Met Police (Operation Grange) - Bollocks or not bollocks?
by Verdi 12.08.17 12:23
Lest it be forgotten..
AC Mark Rowley interview - 25 April 2017 [or how to eliminate the prime suspects in a serious criminal investigation in one easy lesson]. It's official..
Q: Six years’ on of Scotland Yard’s involvement, a team of largely 30 people, £11/12 million you’ve spent, what have you achieved?
MR: We've achieved an awful lot. I think you know that we have a track record for using cold cases on serious old cases, and we solve many cases that way. This is no different in one respect but is particularly complicated. I think people get seduced perhaps by what they see in TV dramas where the most complex cases are solved in 30 minutes or 60 minutes with adverts as well. What we started with here was something extraordinary. We started with 40,000 documents. We’ve got the original Portuguese investigation and six or eight sets of private detectives who’ve done work and we did appeals to the public, four Crimewatch appeals, hoovering as much information as possible. Sifting that, structuring it and working through it is an immense effort. It’s much more ‘hard slog’ in reality than it is inspiration. That takes time and it takes systems. That’s what we’ve been working on. And what you’ve seen in the bits which have been reported publically is those appeals, when we’ve announced suspects, when we’ve made particular announcements, slowly crunching through it and focusing our attention and making progress. And of course at one stage we had 600 people who at one stage have been of interest to the enquiry, that doesn’t mean that they are suspects, people who were suspicious at the time or have a track record which makes us concerned about them, sifting, which focused the enquiry increasingly and when you’re doing this then across a continent and with multiple languages and having to build working relationships with the Portuguese, you put that together and that takes real time.
So we’ve achieved complete understanding of it all, we’ve sifted out many of the potential suspects, people of interest, and where we are today is a much smaller team, focused on a small remaining number of critical lines of enquiry, which we think are significant. If we didn’t think they were significant we wouldn’t be carrying on.
Q: So when you talk of success and progress, it’s really a case of eliminating things? You’re not getting any nearer to finding out what happened?
MR: So our mission here is to do everything reasonable to provide an answer to Kate and Gerry McCann. I’d love to guarantee them that we would get an answer, sadly investigations can never be 100 per cent successful. But, it’s our job, and I’ve discussed it with them, we’ll do everything we can do, reasonably, to find an answer to what’s happened to Madeleine. And I know, Pedro, the senior Portuguese colleague I’ve worked with and his team, have a shared determination, to find an answer. That’s what we’re going to do.
Q: You’ve described it as a ‘unique’ case. Why is it unique?
MR: I think it’s unique in two or three respects. First of all the way its captured attention in different countries is quite unusual. You’ll get a very high-profile case in a particular country, the way it has captured interest across countries, I think is significant. The length of it. And it’s unusual to have a case like this where you’re doing a missing persons investigation, where ten years on, we still don’t have definitive evidence about exactly what’s happened. And that’s why we’re open minded, even if we have to be pessimistic about the prospects, we are open minded because we don’t have definitive evidence about what happened to Madeleine.
Q: You say you haven’t got definitive evidence, do you have any clues at all which might explain what happened to her?
MR: So, you’ll understand from your experience, the way murder investigations work, detectives will start off with various hypotheses, about what’s happened in a murder, what has happened in a missing person’s investigation, whether someone has been abducted. All those different possibilities will be worked through. This case is no different from that but the evidence is limited at the moment to
be cast iron as to which one of those hypotheses we should follow. So we have to keep an open mind. As I said we have some critical lines of enquiry, those linked to particular lines of enquiry, but I’m not going to discuss them today because they are very much live investigations.
Q: Do you have some evidence, in your six years of investigation, have you unearthed some evidence to explain what happened?
MR: We’ve got some thoughts on what we think the most likely explanations might be and we’re pursuing those. And those link into the key lines of enquiry we’re doing now. As I said, those are very much live investigations and I know that’s frustrating when you’re doing a programme looking back but it’s hard to talk about that now, it’s going to frustrate the investigation.
Q: I know it’s not your money, it has come from the Home Office, but how do you justify spending so much on one missing person?
MR: Big cases can take a lot of resource and a lot of time and we have that with more conventional cases which Scotland Yard gets involved with that run over many years. I think it’s worth noting that this cold case approach we do, every year we’re solving cases that have gone cold years ago. I think in the last year it’s 35 rape cases, and two murder cases. Some of those reaching back to the 1980s. The cold case approach does have some expense, it is time-consuming, looking back at old records, but it does help solve old cases and you give families and victims an understanding of what went on. It’s worthwhile. This case is unusual, it’s not in Scotland Yard’s remit to investigate crimes across the world normally. In this case, in 2011, the Portuguese and British prime ministers were discussing the case and agreed that Scotland Yard would help and recognising that it’s not what we’re normally funded for, we were given extra money to put a team together to work with the Portuguese and that’s what we’ve been doing ever since. We’ve tried to be careful about public money and we started with that massive sifting and we’ve narrowed the enquiry, the funding has reduced accordingly. And we will stick with it as long as the funding is available, as long as there are sensible lines of enquiry to pursue.
Q: You’ve talked about 600 people. You at one point had four suspects. Can you tell me the story about how they came into the frame?
MR: So, one of the lines of enquiry, one of the hypotheses was could this be a burglary gone wrong? Someone is doing a burglary, panicked maybe by a waking child, which leads to Madeleine going missing.
Q: Most burglars would just run out.
MR: Possibly.
Q: Difficult for the public to understand that potential theory, given that every child wakes up.
MR: In my experience, if you try to apply the rational logic of a normal person sat in their front room to what criminals do under pressure, you tend to make mistakes, so it was a sensible hypothesis, it’s still not entirely ruled out, but there was also lots of material about people acting suspiciously, a potential history of some recent thefts from holiday apartments. Working through that it was a sensible thing to pursue, and we had some descriptions to work with, and that led to us identifying amongst the 600, a group of people who were worth pursuing, have they been involved in this activity, have they had a role in Madeleine going missing? Because what the hypothesis was, then we’ve got some searches, we’ve worked with the Portuguese, they were spoken to, and we pretty much closed off that group of people. That’s one example of the journey I spoke about, you start with this massive pool of evidence, you understand it, structure it, prioritise it, you work through and you try and sift the potential suspects, and then you end up where we are today with some key lines of enquiry.
Q: As I understand it, the key to your suspicion about those four suspects was very much to do with
their use of mobile phones and one of the criticisms of the original Portuguese police investigation was that they didn’t interrogate the mobile phone data as thoroughly as they could have done. How important was it for you as that part of your investigation for you to pick up and thoroughly investigate the mobile phone data?
MR: So that phone data is always something we will look at and we wouldn’t have had it available if the Portuguese had not got hold of it at the time so we need to be careful about criticism. But we had the data available and we worked with the Portuguese and that was part of the background to do with phone data and various sightings. There was enough there to say, not to prove the case, but there was something worth looking at in more detail and that’s what we did.
Q: How old were the suspects because I think you interviewed them originally through the Portuguese beginning of July 2014?
MR: By the end of the year we were happy to have brought them out and we were moving on to other parts of the investigation.
Q: Do you have any other suspects at the moment?
MR: So, we have got some critical lines of enquiry that are definitely worth pursuing and I’m not going to go into further detail on those. Another I would say though is, these lines of enquiry we have to date, they are the product of information available at the time and information that has come from public appeals that we have done. Four Crimewatch appeals, and other media channels have been incredibly helpful, including yourselves, and thousands of pieces of information have come forward, some useful some not, but amongst that have been some nuggets that have thrown some extra light on the original material that came from the time and that is one of the things that has helped us to make progress and have some critical lines of enquiry we are pursuing today.
Q: The question of other suspects, is there anyone like those four who have been dismissed, is there anyone who has the “alguido” status?
MR: I’m not going to give that level of detail away, we have got some critical lines of enquiry and we are working with the Portuguese on that, we are both interested in. Disclosing any more information on that will not help the investigation.
Q: You said the burglary gone wrong theory is not completely dismissed. What are the other theories? You have spoken in the past, Andy Redwood spoke in the past about focussing on the idea of a stranger abduction, is that still the focus, or a focus?
MR: Whilst we’ve got some lead ideas there is still a lot of unknown on this case. We’ve got a young girl gone missing 10 years ago. Until we get to the point where we have solved it, we’re unlikely to have definitive evidence as to exactly what happened at the time. All the hypothesises that you or I could come up with, they all have to remain open and the key lines of enquiry open today focus on one or two of those areas but we have to keep them all open until we get to that critical piece of evidence that narrows it down and helps us to be more confident as to exactly what has happened on the day Maddie went missing.
Q: Over the years you have appealed for a number of what could be called suspicious-looking men, watching the apartment, watching the apartment block. Knocking on the doors touting for a bogus charity. You have issued E-fits, have you been able to identify and eliminate any of those?
MR: Some of them have been identified and eliminated but not all of them.
Q: The theory of a sex predator responsible for Maddie’s disappearance is something the Portuguese police have focussed on. How big a part of your investigation has that been, because there were a series of sex attack on sleeping, mainly British children in nearby resorts. So how important has that been to your investigation?
MR: That has been one key line of enquiry. The reality is in any urban area, you cast your net wide and you find a whole range of offences and sex offenders who live nearby and those coincidences need to be sifted out; what is a coincidence and what could be linked to the investigation we are currently dealing with and just like we do in London we have been doing in Portugal so offences which could be linked have to be looked at and either ruled in or ruled out and that’s the work we have been doing.
Q: Andy Redwood, the first senior investigating officer, said in one interview his policy was to go right back to the beginning, accept nothing, but one thing you appear to have accepted is that this was an abduction. It’s in your first remit statement, it refers to ‘the abduction’, which rather suggests right from the start you had a closed mind to the possibility of parents’ involvement, an accident or Madeleine simply walking out of the apartment.
MR: Two points to that, firstly the involvement of the parents, that was dealt with at the time by the original investigation by the Portuguese. We had a look at all the material and we are happy that was all dealt with and there is no reason whatsoever to reopen that or start rumours that was a line of investigation. The McCanns are parents of a missing girl, we are trying to get to the bottom of. In terms of Andy using the word abduction, she was not old enough to set off and start her own life. However she left that apartment, she has been abducted. It is not a 20-year-old who has gone missing and who has made a decision to start a new life, this is a young girl who is missing and at the heart of this has been an abduction.
Q: One of the biggest criticisms of the Portuguese investigation, which they acknowledge as well, is that they did not interrogate the parents from the start, if only to eliminate them. When you started your investigation, you appear to have done the same. Did you formally interview the McCann’s under caution, ever consider them as suspects?
MR: So when we started, we started five or so years into this and there is already a lot of ground been covered, we don’t cover the same ground, what we do is pull all the material we had at the start, all the Portuguese material, private detective material, with all the work that had been done, what that evidence supports, what rules these lines of enquiry out, what keeps them open and you progress forward. It would be no different if there were a cold case in London, a missing person from 1990, we would go back to square one look at all the material and if the material was convincing it ruled out that line of enquiry we would look somewhere else. So you reflect on the original material, you challenge it, don’t take it at face value. You don’t restart an investigation pretending it doesn’t exist and do all the same enquiries again that is not constructive.
Q: The first detective in charge of the case said he was going right back to the start of the case and accepting nothing. It seems very much he was suggesting that it was going to be a brand new investigation.
MR: It’s a brand new investigation, you are going in with an open mind. You are not ignoring the evidence in front of you. That would be a bizarre conclusion. You would look at that material, what does it prove, what it doesn’t. What hypothesis does it open what does it close down and you work your way through the case.
Q: Just to be clear you did not interview the McCanns as potential suspects?
MR: No
Q: Let’s move to today, recently you were given more funding £84,000 to £85,000, how is that going to be used?
MR: As you understand we started with a full-sized murder team of 30 officers, that was a standard
operating approach at the time. So we start with that team and work through the massive amount of investigation. The Home Office has been funding that and of course it is public money so they review that from time to time and as the enquiry has gone on we suggested we could run it with a smaller group of people and that is what happened. That recent level of funding reflects that it’s keeping the team going for the next six months and we will want to keep this running as long as there are sensible lines of enquiry and keep asking the Home Office to fund it as long as there are those open lines of enquiry.
Q: I know you don’t want to go into detail but are there more forensic tests, is that what is going on?
MR: I’m not going to talk about detail of the type of work going on but there are critical lines of enquiry of great interest to ourselves and our Portuguese counterparts and there are some significant investigative avenues we are pursuing that we see as very worthwhile.
Q: Are you still waiting for answers to new ‘rogatory’ letters. I understand how the system works if you want something in Portugal, you have to send ‘rogatory’ letter and get that approved over there. Are there letters in the post?
MR: That process you describe reflects the first four or five years of our work there, sifting through mass amounts of material, putting together with new evidence that comes from appeals, generates new enquiries and the legal requirements the Portuguese have is quite labour intensive in terms of dotting I’s and crossing T’s and working through that detail. Where we are now is much narrower much more focussed.
Q: Is there anyone you are still looking for?
MR: Where we are now is much narrower and much more focussed.
Q: There was a report recently that there was an international manhunt in regards to a person you were interested in talking to, maybe not even a suspect, maybe a witness?
MR: There are odd headlines and odd stories in newspapers on a regular basis and most of those are nonsense.
Q: You say in your statement, you are getting information on a daily basis, new information, what sort of information?
MR: First of all it is indicative of the level of interest in this case, not just in this country but across the world. The team are getting emails, phone calls, new information all the time and it ranges from the eccentric, through to information that on the surface looks potentially interesting and needs to be bottomed out and are constantly sifting through them.
Q: Are you any closer to solving this then you were six years ago?
MR: I know we have a significant line of enquiry that is worth pursuing, and because of that, it could provide an answer. Until we have gone through it, I won’t know if we will get there or not.
Q: What area is that enquiry?
MR: Ourselves and the Portuguese are doing a critical piece of work and we don’t want to spoil it by putting titbits out on it publically.
Q: How confident are you this will solve it for you?
MR: It is worth pursuing
Q: What does your instinct say about what happened to Maddie?
MR: If I start going in to my instinct having read the material of interest we are dealing with at the moment it would give away what we are looking in to so I’m not going to answer that. But what I would say from my experience of dealing with cold cases and these types of investigations is that this time, even sadly after 10 years of Maddie being missing there are nuggets of information and lines of enquiry that are worth pursuing and it is possible they may lead to an answer. As long as we have the resources to do it, and as long as we have those sensible lines of enquiry because if we can provide an answer to a family in this horrible situation that is what we must do.
Q: Do the significant lines of enquiry suggest to you Maddie is alive or dead?
MR: As I said earlier on we have no definitive evidence as to whether Maddie is alive or dead. We have to keep an open mind that is why we describe it as a missing person enquiry. Of course we understand why after so many years people would be pessimistic but we are keeping an open mind and treating it as a missing person enquiry.
Q: You’ve said you are realistic about what you are dealing with, what do you mean by that?
MR: We are realistic about the prospects and the assumptions people will make 10 years on when a little girl has gone missing but there is no definitive evidence and as long as that is the case we have to have an open mind and treat it as a missing person enquiry.
Q: If she is alive, she is nearly 14, do you have any idea what she might be doing, where she might be, the circumstances she might be living?
MR: That is such a hypothetical question I cannot begin to answer.
Q: There is a chance she may still be alive.
MR: We have to keep an open mind, it is a missing person enquiry, we don’t have that definitive evidence either way.
Q: How confident are you that you will solve the case?
MR: I wish I could say we will solve this. We solve more than 90 per cent of serious cases at Scotland Yard. I wish I could say I could definitely solve it but a small number of cases don’t get solved. What I have always said on this case and I’ve said to Kate and Gerry. We will do everything we can that is possible to try to find and answer. I hope to find an answer but can’t quite guarantee and as a professional police officer and dealing with the families in awful situations it always hurts you can’t guarantee success, but we will do everything we can to try to get there.
Q: How long might it keep going, your investigation?
MR: It is impossible to be exactly clear. We have a small number of ongoing lines of enquiry, they are critical and we need to deal with those and see how long it takes.
Q: You talk about lines of enquiry because last year the ex-commissioner said there was one piece of work still to be done and when that was completed that would be the end of the investigation. You are rather suggesting things have moved on since then and there is more to pursue, is that true?
MR: We have a small number of lines of enquiry and that’s what we are focussed on.
Q: But he was the boss and he was quite specific ‘one piece of work to do’, you are saying something different?
MR: We have a small number of lines of enquiry, that is what we are pursuing today.
http://news.met.police.uk/documents/transcript-of-interview-with-ac-mark-rowley-66743
So Mr Rowley, let's cut to the chase, Metropolitan policing in this particular case totally excludes this..
and this..
and more importantly this..
Can you explain that Mr Rowley? Nah - I didn't think so
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AC Mark Rowley interview - 25 April 2017 [or how to eliminate the prime suspects in a serious criminal investigation in one easy lesson]. It's official..
Q: Six years’ on of Scotland Yard’s involvement, a team of largely 30 people, £11/12 million you’ve spent, what have you achieved?
MR: We've achieved an awful lot. I think you know that we have a track record for using cold cases on serious old cases, and we solve many cases that way. This is no different in one respect but is particularly complicated. I think people get seduced perhaps by what they see in TV dramas where the most complex cases are solved in 30 minutes or 60 minutes with adverts as well. What we started with here was something extraordinary. We started with 40,000 documents. We’ve got the original Portuguese investigation and six or eight sets of private detectives who’ve done work and we did appeals to the public, four Crimewatch appeals, hoovering as much information as possible. Sifting that, structuring it and working through it is an immense effort. It’s much more ‘hard slog’ in reality than it is inspiration. That takes time and it takes systems. That’s what we’ve been working on. And what you’ve seen in the bits which have been reported publically is those appeals, when we’ve announced suspects, when we’ve made particular announcements, slowly crunching through it and focusing our attention and making progress. And of course at one stage we had 600 people who at one stage have been of interest to the enquiry, that doesn’t mean that they are suspects, people who were suspicious at the time or have a track record which makes us concerned about them, sifting, which focused the enquiry increasingly and when you’re doing this then across a continent and with multiple languages and having to build working relationships with the Portuguese, you put that together and that takes real time.
So we’ve achieved complete understanding of it all, we’ve sifted out many of the potential suspects, people of interest, and where we are today is a much smaller team, focused on a small remaining number of critical lines of enquiry, which we think are significant. If we didn’t think they were significant we wouldn’t be carrying on.
Q: So when you talk of success and progress, it’s really a case of eliminating things? You’re not getting any nearer to finding out what happened?
MR: So our mission here is to do everything reasonable to provide an answer to Kate and Gerry McCann. I’d love to guarantee them that we would get an answer, sadly investigations can never be 100 per cent successful. But, it’s our job, and I’ve discussed it with them, we’ll do everything we can do, reasonably, to find an answer to what’s happened to Madeleine. And I know, Pedro, the senior Portuguese colleague I’ve worked with and his team, have a shared determination, to find an answer. That’s what we’re going to do.
Q: You’ve described it as a ‘unique’ case. Why is it unique?
MR: I think it’s unique in two or three respects. First of all the way its captured attention in different countries is quite unusual. You’ll get a very high-profile case in a particular country, the way it has captured interest across countries, I think is significant. The length of it. And it’s unusual to have a case like this where you’re doing a missing persons investigation, where ten years on, we still don’t have definitive evidence about exactly what’s happened. And that’s why we’re open minded, even if we have to be pessimistic about the prospects, we are open minded because we don’t have definitive evidence about what happened to Madeleine.
Q: You say you haven’t got definitive evidence, do you have any clues at all which might explain what happened to her?
MR: So, you’ll understand from your experience, the way murder investigations work, detectives will start off with various hypotheses, about what’s happened in a murder, what has happened in a missing person’s investigation, whether someone has been abducted. All those different possibilities will be worked through. This case is no different from that but the evidence is limited at the moment to
be cast iron as to which one of those hypotheses we should follow. So we have to keep an open mind. As I said we have some critical lines of enquiry, those linked to particular lines of enquiry, but I’m not going to discuss them today because they are very much live investigations.
Q: Do you have some evidence, in your six years of investigation, have you unearthed some evidence to explain what happened?
MR: We’ve got some thoughts on what we think the most likely explanations might be and we’re pursuing those. And those link into the key lines of enquiry we’re doing now. As I said, those are very much live investigations and I know that’s frustrating when you’re doing a programme looking back but it’s hard to talk about that now, it’s going to frustrate the investigation.
Q: I know it’s not your money, it has come from the Home Office, but how do you justify spending so much on one missing person?
MR: Big cases can take a lot of resource and a lot of time and we have that with more conventional cases which Scotland Yard gets involved with that run over many years. I think it’s worth noting that this cold case approach we do, every year we’re solving cases that have gone cold years ago. I think in the last year it’s 35 rape cases, and two murder cases. Some of those reaching back to the 1980s. The cold case approach does have some expense, it is time-consuming, looking back at old records, but it does help solve old cases and you give families and victims an understanding of what went on. It’s worthwhile. This case is unusual, it’s not in Scotland Yard’s remit to investigate crimes across the world normally. In this case, in 2011, the Portuguese and British prime ministers were discussing the case and agreed that Scotland Yard would help and recognising that it’s not what we’re normally funded for, we were given extra money to put a team together to work with the Portuguese and that’s what we’ve been doing ever since. We’ve tried to be careful about public money and we started with that massive sifting and we’ve narrowed the enquiry, the funding has reduced accordingly. And we will stick with it as long as the funding is available, as long as there are sensible lines of enquiry to pursue.
Q: You’ve talked about 600 people. You at one point had four suspects. Can you tell me the story about how they came into the frame?
MR: So, one of the lines of enquiry, one of the hypotheses was could this be a burglary gone wrong? Someone is doing a burglary, panicked maybe by a waking child, which leads to Madeleine going missing.
Q: Most burglars would just run out.
MR: Possibly.
Q: Difficult for the public to understand that potential theory, given that every child wakes up.
MR: In my experience, if you try to apply the rational logic of a normal person sat in their front room to what criminals do under pressure, you tend to make mistakes, so it was a sensible hypothesis, it’s still not entirely ruled out, but there was also lots of material about people acting suspiciously, a potential history of some recent thefts from holiday apartments. Working through that it was a sensible thing to pursue, and we had some descriptions to work with, and that led to us identifying amongst the 600, a group of people who were worth pursuing, have they been involved in this activity, have they had a role in Madeleine going missing? Because what the hypothesis was, then we’ve got some searches, we’ve worked with the Portuguese, they were spoken to, and we pretty much closed off that group of people. That’s one example of the journey I spoke about, you start with this massive pool of evidence, you understand it, structure it, prioritise it, you work through and you try and sift the potential suspects, and then you end up where we are today with some key lines of enquiry.
Q: As I understand it, the key to your suspicion about those four suspects was very much to do with
their use of mobile phones and one of the criticisms of the original Portuguese police investigation was that they didn’t interrogate the mobile phone data as thoroughly as they could have done. How important was it for you as that part of your investigation for you to pick up and thoroughly investigate the mobile phone data?
MR: So that phone data is always something we will look at and we wouldn’t have had it available if the Portuguese had not got hold of it at the time so we need to be careful about criticism. But we had the data available and we worked with the Portuguese and that was part of the background to do with phone data and various sightings. There was enough there to say, not to prove the case, but there was something worth looking at in more detail and that’s what we did.
Q: How old were the suspects because I think you interviewed them originally through the Portuguese beginning of July 2014?
MR: By the end of the year we were happy to have brought them out and we were moving on to other parts of the investigation.
Q: Do you have any other suspects at the moment?
MR: So, we have got some critical lines of enquiry that are definitely worth pursuing and I’m not going to go into further detail on those. Another I would say though is, these lines of enquiry we have to date, they are the product of information available at the time and information that has come from public appeals that we have done. Four Crimewatch appeals, and other media channels have been incredibly helpful, including yourselves, and thousands of pieces of information have come forward, some useful some not, but amongst that have been some nuggets that have thrown some extra light on the original material that came from the time and that is one of the things that has helped us to make progress and have some critical lines of enquiry we are pursuing today.
Q: The question of other suspects, is there anyone like those four who have been dismissed, is there anyone who has the “alguido” status?
MR: I’m not going to give that level of detail away, we have got some critical lines of enquiry and we are working with the Portuguese on that, we are both interested in. Disclosing any more information on that will not help the investigation.
Q: You said the burglary gone wrong theory is not completely dismissed. What are the other theories? You have spoken in the past, Andy Redwood spoke in the past about focussing on the idea of a stranger abduction, is that still the focus, or a focus?
MR: Whilst we’ve got some lead ideas there is still a lot of unknown on this case. We’ve got a young girl gone missing 10 years ago. Until we get to the point where we have solved it, we’re unlikely to have definitive evidence as to exactly what happened at the time. All the hypothesises that you or I could come up with, they all have to remain open and the key lines of enquiry open today focus on one or two of those areas but we have to keep them all open until we get to that critical piece of evidence that narrows it down and helps us to be more confident as to exactly what has happened on the day Maddie went missing.
Q: Over the years you have appealed for a number of what could be called suspicious-looking men, watching the apartment, watching the apartment block. Knocking on the doors touting for a bogus charity. You have issued E-fits, have you been able to identify and eliminate any of those?
MR: Some of them have been identified and eliminated but not all of them.
Q: The theory of a sex predator responsible for Maddie’s disappearance is something the Portuguese police have focussed on. How big a part of your investigation has that been, because there were a series of sex attack on sleeping, mainly British children in nearby resorts. So how important has that been to your investigation?
MR: That has been one key line of enquiry. The reality is in any urban area, you cast your net wide and you find a whole range of offences and sex offenders who live nearby and those coincidences need to be sifted out; what is a coincidence and what could be linked to the investigation we are currently dealing with and just like we do in London we have been doing in Portugal so offences which could be linked have to be looked at and either ruled in or ruled out and that’s the work we have been doing.
Q: Andy Redwood, the first senior investigating officer, said in one interview his policy was to go right back to the beginning, accept nothing, but one thing you appear to have accepted is that this was an abduction. It’s in your first remit statement, it refers to ‘the abduction’, which rather suggests right from the start you had a closed mind to the possibility of parents’ involvement, an accident or Madeleine simply walking out of the apartment.
MR: Two points to that, firstly the involvement of the parents, that was dealt with at the time by the original investigation by the Portuguese. We had a look at all the material and we are happy that was all dealt with and there is no reason whatsoever to reopen that or start rumours that was a line of investigation. The McCanns are parents of a missing girl, we are trying to get to the bottom of. In terms of Andy using the word abduction, she was not old enough to set off and start her own life. However she left that apartment, she has been abducted. It is not a 20-year-old who has gone missing and who has made a decision to start a new life, this is a young girl who is missing and at the heart of this has been an abduction.
Q: One of the biggest criticisms of the Portuguese investigation, which they acknowledge as well, is that they did not interrogate the parents from the start, if only to eliminate them. When you started your investigation, you appear to have done the same. Did you formally interview the McCann’s under caution, ever consider them as suspects?
MR: So when we started, we started five or so years into this and there is already a lot of ground been covered, we don’t cover the same ground, what we do is pull all the material we had at the start, all the Portuguese material, private detective material, with all the work that had been done, what that evidence supports, what rules these lines of enquiry out, what keeps them open and you progress forward. It would be no different if there were a cold case in London, a missing person from 1990, we would go back to square one look at all the material and if the material was convincing it ruled out that line of enquiry we would look somewhere else. So you reflect on the original material, you challenge it, don’t take it at face value. You don’t restart an investigation pretending it doesn’t exist and do all the same enquiries again that is not constructive.
Q: The first detective in charge of the case said he was going right back to the start of the case and accepting nothing. It seems very much he was suggesting that it was going to be a brand new investigation.
MR: It’s a brand new investigation, you are going in with an open mind. You are not ignoring the evidence in front of you. That would be a bizarre conclusion. You would look at that material, what does it prove, what it doesn’t. What hypothesis does it open what does it close down and you work your way through the case.
Q: Just to be clear you did not interview the McCanns as potential suspects?
MR: No
Q: Let’s move to today, recently you were given more funding £84,000 to £85,000, how is that going to be used?
MR: As you understand we started with a full-sized murder team of 30 officers, that was a standard
operating approach at the time. So we start with that team and work through the massive amount of investigation. The Home Office has been funding that and of course it is public money so they review that from time to time and as the enquiry has gone on we suggested we could run it with a smaller group of people and that is what happened. That recent level of funding reflects that it’s keeping the team going for the next six months and we will want to keep this running as long as there are sensible lines of enquiry and keep asking the Home Office to fund it as long as there are those open lines of enquiry.
Q: I know you don’t want to go into detail but are there more forensic tests, is that what is going on?
MR: I’m not going to talk about detail of the type of work going on but there are critical lines of enquiry of great interest to ourselves and our Portuguese counterparts and there are some significant investigative avenues we are pursuing that we see as very worthwhile.
Q: Are you still waiting for answers to new ‘rogatory’ letters. I understand how the system works if you want something in Portugal, you have to send ‘rogatory’ letter and get that approved over there. Are there letters in the post?
MR: That process you describe reflects the first four or five years of our work there, sifting through mass amounts of material, putting together with new evidence that comes from appeals, generates new enquiries and the legal requirements the Portuguese have is quite labour intensive in terms of dotting I’s and crossing T’s and working through that detail. Where we are now is much narrower much more focussed.
Q: Is there anyone you are still looking for?
MR: Where we are now is much narrower and much more focussed.
Q: There was a report recently that there was an international manhunt in regards to a person you were interested in talking to, maybe not even a suspect, maybe a witness?
MR: There are odd headlines and odd stories in newspapers on a regular basis and most of those are nonsense.
Q: You say in your statement, you are getting information on a daily basis, new information, what sort of information?
MR: First of all it is indicative of the level of interest in this case, not just in this country but across the world. The team are getting emails, phone calls, new information all the time and it ranges from the eccentric, through to information that on the surface looks potentially interesting and needs to be bottomed out and are constantly sifting through them.
Q: Are you any closer to solving this then you were six years ago?
MR: I know we have a significant line of enquiry that is worth pursuing, and because of that, it could provide an answer. Until we have gone through it, I won’t know if we will get there or not.
Q: What area is that enquiry?
MR: Ourselves and the Portuguese are doing a critical piece of work and we don’t want to spoil it by putting titbits out on it publically.
Q: How confident are you this will solve it for you?
MR: It is worth pursuing
Q: What does your instinct say about what happened to Maddie?
MR: If I start going in to my instinct having read the material of interest we are dealing with at the moment it would give away what we are looking in to so I’m not going to answer that. But what I would say from my experience of dealing with cold cases and these types of investigations is that this time, even sadly after 10 years of Maddie being missing there are nuggets of information and lines of enquiry that are worth pursuing and it is possible they may lead to an answer. As long as we have the resources to do it, and as long as we have those sensible lines of enquiry because if we can provide an answer to a family in this horrible situation that is what we must do.
Q: Do the significant lines of enquiry suggest to you Maddie is alive or dead?
MR: As I said earlier on we have no definitive evidence as to whether Maddie is alive or dead. We have to keep an open mind that is why we describe it as a missing person enquiry. Of course we understand why after so many years people would be pessimistic but we are keeping an open mind and treating it as a missing person enquiry.
Q: You’ve said you are realistic about what you are dealing with, what do you mean by that?
MR: We are realistic about the prospects and the assumptions people will make 10 years on when a little girl has gone missing but there is no definitive evidence and as long as that is the case we have to have an open mind and treat it as a missing person enquiry.
Q: If she is alive, she is nearly 14, do you have any idea what she might be doing, where she might be, the circumstances she might be living?
MR: That is such a hypothetical question I cannot begin to answer.
Q: There is a chance she may still be alive.
MR: We have to keep an open mind, it is a missing person enquiry, we don’t have that definitive evidence either way.
Q: How confident are you that you will solve the case?
MR: I wish I could say we will solve this. We solve more than 90 per cent of serious cases at Scotland Yard. I wish I could say I could definitely solve it but a small number of cases don’t get solved. What I have always said on this case and I’ve said to Kate and Gerry. We will do everything we can that is possible to try to find and answer. I hope to find an answer but can’t quite guarantee and as a professional police officer and dealing with the families in awful situations it always hurts you can’t guarantee success, but we will do everything we can to try to get there.
Q: How long might it keep going, your investigation?
MR: It is impossible to be exactly clear. We have a small number of ongoing lines of enquiry, they are critical and we need to deal with those and see how long it takes.
Q: You talk about lines of enquiry because last year the ex-commissioner said there was one piece of work still to be done and when that was completed that would be the end of the investigation. You are rather suggesting things have moved on since then and there is more to pursue, is that true?
MR: We have a small number of lines of enquiry and that’s what we are focussed on.
Q: But he was the boss and he was quite specific ‘one piece of work to do’, you are saying something different?
MR: We have a small number of lines of enquiry, that is what we are pursuing today.
http://news.met.police.uk/documents/transcript-of-interview-with-ac-mark-rowley-66743
So Mr Rowley, let's cut to the chase, Metropolitan policing in this particular case totally excludes this..
and this..
and more importantly this..
Can you explain that Mr Rowley? Nah - I didn't think so
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by polyenne 12.08.17 12:29
A bit like Eddie & Keela, I have a very keen nose.
I don't even have to be in the same room but I can get a whiff of BS from many miles away.
The stench from Operation Grange is off the sphincter oops I mean Richter Scale.
I don't even have to be in the same room but I can get a whiff of BS from many miles away.
The stench from Operation Grange is off the sphincter oops I mean Richter Scale.
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by Verdi 12.08.17 15:50
Mmmmm - so can I.polyenne wrote:I don't even have to be in the same room but I can get a whiff of BS from many miles away.
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by Verdi 14.08.17 21:23
Just thinking about Operation Grange, the stay of execution granted in March 2017 to prolong the misery until September 2017, is not far from expiration.
According to the press at the time, the extended funding was granted to extend the lifespan of Operation Grange for six months in order to allow for operational cost pursuing a vital lead. Here I'm compelled to ask a vital question - if the Metropolitan police, the finest in the land if not the world, have a vital lead to follow, how can you put a six month price or time limit on their operations? Is it customary for the police to work within a specific budget on any one case, or is it worked within their overall annual budget allowance for policing generally.
In short, how the blooming heck can the Home Office or the Metropolitan police know that 85,000 thousand quid will fund their ongoing enquiries? Or are they only referring to salaries + overtime? Smacks to me of a token gesture to appease the grumpy tax payer.
Question is - what next for Operation Grange come September? Another stay of execution pending 'she'll be home by Christmas' or are we finally going to see an end to this farcical waste of public money.
My glass is half empty but I'm buoyed to the brim with anticipation.
According to the press at the time, the extended funding was granted to extend the lifespan of Operation Grange for six months in order to allow for operational cost pursuing a vital lead. Here I'm compelled to ask a vital question - if the Metropolitan police, the finest in the land if not the world, have a vital lead to follow, how can you put a six month price or time limit on their operations? Is it customary for the police to work within a specific budget on any one case, or is it worked within their overall annual budget allowance for policing generally.
In short, how the blooming heck can the Home Office or the Metropolitan police know that 85,000 thousand quid will fund their ongoing enquiries? Or are they only referring to salaries + overtime? Smacks to me of a token gesture to appease the grumpy tax payer.
Question is - what next for Operation Grange come September? Another stay of execution pending 'she'll be home by Christmas' or are we finally going to see an end to this farcical waste of public money.
My glass is half empty but I'm buoyed to the brim with anticipation.
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by willowthewisp 15.08.17 11:40
Hi Verdi,don't become too buoyed yet,as Assistant Commander of the Met,Mark Rowley probably still Not interviewed under caution Mr and Mrs McCann,Tapas 7/9 on Madeleine McCann's reported disappearance in Portugal,apartment 5a Ocean Club 3 May 2007,Why havent you done this Mr Rowley,are, have you become enthralled or spell bound to Never Interview these people under caution,what are you afraid of Mark Rowley,the "Truth"?
Or you are just carrying on"Operation Grange"as a part of this Tragic case of "Masonic" influence to assist a member of the"Brotherhood"?
Or you are just carrying on"Operation Grange"as a part of this Tragic case of "Masonic" influence to assist a member of the"Brotherhood"?
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by Verdi 15.08.17 12:35
I'll try not to get over excited 
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Question: Just to be clear - you did not interview the McCanns as potential suspects?
AC Mark Rowley of the Yard: No! [..and that's an emphatic no!]
Sorted !!!
Operation Grange [circa May 2013]
.Question: Just to be clear - you did not interview the McCanns as potential suspects?
AC Mark Rowley of the Yard: No! [..and that's an emphatic no!]
Sorted !!!
Operation Grange [circa May 2013]
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by sandancer 15.08.17 17:24
" Operational costs pursuing a vital lead !"
That " lead " won't have a couple of dogs attached to it will it ?
No , silly me it will only " lead " to the broom cupboard , lots of biscuits and coffee maybe a few sardines to munch on
All delivered by a mysterious " woman in purple "
That " lead " won't have a couple of dogs attached to it will it ?
No , silly me it will only " lead " to the broom cupboard , lots of biscuits and coffee maybe a few sardines to munch on
All delivered by a mysterious " woman in purple "
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by Verdi 15.08.17 21:23
You forgot the T-bags..
Operation Grange [circa May 2017]
Operation Grange [circa May 2017]
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by Verdi 07.10.17 12:24
Bernard Hogan-Howe Radio 5 Live 20th February 2014
Caller: Good morning, good morning Sir Bernard .... I wanted to ask you err on the progress of Operation Grange
Hogan-Howe: Right.... we have a lot of o operations so your gonna have to [rhubarb rhubarb rhubarb]
Caller: Operation Grange
Hogan-Howe: Which is ...?
Caller: It's the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine Mccann
Hogan-Howe: Err... right, thank you for helping. we do have a lot of operations - sorry if I didn't recognize it immediately
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Pull the other one Hogey - as if you didn't know! You might have been Sired but that doesn't give you carte-blanche to be so arrogant. You are a public servant - you do know that don't you? Or have you forgotten, like you've apparently forgotten Operation Grange?
Caller: Good morning, good morning Sir Bernard .... I wanted to ask you err on the progress of Operation Grange
Hogan-Howe: Right.... we have a lot of o operations so your gonna have to [rhubarb rhubarb rhubarb]
Caller: Operation Grange
Hogan-Howe: Which is ...?
Caller: It's the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine Mccann
Hogan-Howe: Err... right, thank you for helping. we do have a lot of operations - sorry if I didn't recognize it immediately
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Pull the other one Hogey - as if you didn't know! You might have been Sired but that doesn't give you carte-blanche to be so arrogant. You are a public servant - you do know that don't you? Or have you forgotten, like you've apparently forgotten Operation Grange?
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by willowthewisp 07.10.17 15:32
Ah Bernard,it's going to be a bit late to conduce the amount of flannel,you may think you have got away with in regard to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann,remember the funding campaign,when you was the chief of Police on Merseyside,in conjunction with the parents,Ten years ago,Balloon Campaign?Verdi wrote:Bernard Hogan-Howe Radio 5 Live 20th February 2014
Caller: Good morning, good morning Sir Bernard .... I wanted to ask you err on the progress of Operation Grange
Hogan-Howe: Right.... we have a lot of o operations so your gonna have to [rhubarb rhubarb rhubarb]
Caller: Operation Grange
Hogan-Howe: Which is ...?
Caller: It's the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine Mccann
Hogan-Howe: Err... right, thank you for helping. we do have a lot of operations - sorry if I didn't recognize it immediately
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Pull the other one Hogey - as if you didn't know! You might have been Sired but that doesn't give you carte-blanche to be so arrogant. You are a public servant - you do know that don't you? Or have you forgotten, like you've apparently forgotten Operation Grange?
Then suddenly like a coiled spring, sprung into action"Batman Style"Dossier,Brenda Leyland,from a Family member,after the Three amigos,Gerry,Jimmy,Brunty had sanctioned their party piece via Sky News Corporation,mission accomplished,target taken out,"Well her Identity isn't a secret anymore,eh Brunty"?
Then just over Twelve months ago,"There was only One line of inquiry left,to investigate"then you retire early and A/C Mark Rowley is reproduced to the Paedophile route,which your Organisation,The Metropolitan Police Service,deduced their was No Paedophile gang associated in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann 2007-2008?
Operation Grange,Sphincter tightening moment,ah the Translations,a bit like all those "Confessions"from the Criminals of yesteryear,ding,ding?
Hopefully charges of,Misconduct in Public Office awaits those loyal cohorts, Remember the film "Deliverance""squeal like a pig Boy"Squeal,Squeal piggy"?
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by Verdi 26.02.18 21:48
Beware the Ides of March the future is in thy hands - to be or not to be, that is the question. Willst thou, almighty Office of Homeliness, grant the illustrious Operation Grange bounty abundant to perform the greatest miracle of all time - justice for the lost child Madeleine McCann?
Go forth and perform thy miracle o mighty one - your sand runeth dry.
Go forth and perform thy miracle o mighty one - your sand runeth dry.
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by Verdi 10.03.18 21:32
Six easy ways to keep Operation Grange afloat for yet another six months..
Just call the number given saying you've seen one these persons of interest and .... voila, another six months stay of execution.
It's easy when you know how.
Just call the number given saying you've seen one these persons of interest and .... voila, another six months stay of execution.
It's easy when you know how.
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