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Post by jeanmonroe on Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:11 am

MB might 'hide' behind 'unknown sources' but,

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31564777

21 February 2015 Last updated at 09:37

A temporary measure is being introduced to allow judges to consider police requests for information from journalists' phone and email records.

Changes to the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act (Ripa) means police will need a judge's permission.

It comes after 19 forces made hundreds of applications to gain confidential sources in the past three years.

The prime minister agreed to the change two weeks ago, but the government is now publishing the details of it.
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The Coroner might 'equally' ask the Police, if MB 'refuses' her 'request' for the 'source', (of the dossier) via a judge, to 'access' MB's 'e-mails/phone records', because , sure as 'eggs are eggs' he would have been in 'touch with' Cankles, S&S etc., way before his 'doorstepping' of BL.

So 'hiding' his 'source' might well prove 'futile' in the long run!

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Post by j.rob on Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:43 am

@RogerRabbit wrote:
@ultimaThule wrote:You must be jesting, j.rob.   Rupert is an immensely rich and powerful kingmaker and anyone who attempts to make a meal out of him will find their own head served on a platter before they've had a chance to warm the oven.  yes .


UltimaThule,

The one thing you're underestimating is that there are no shortage of immensely rich and powerful kingmakers in the world, not merely in media but in other fields. There is simply no precedent for believing that any one individual would ever become so almighty as to be untouchable. Even the most powerful and brutal of mafia godfathers inspire no shortage of would-be rivals. When you've climbed as high as you can go in a pyramid of power, and your way up is blocked by a bigger bully, that frustration has a tendency of making the ruthless ever more determined to topple the old man at the top of the heap.

Indeed. The big think that strikes me about Rupert and his family/acolytes, which came across when the phone hacking stuff was being televised, was that they don't have enough going for them apart from from being rich and powerful.

There are plenty of people around, as RR states, who are rich and powerful but also have more than that. 

Rupert and his son came over poorly when questioned in the hacking case. They came over as being quite shallow, not that bright. Boring. Not passionate about journalism or writing or world issues or anything. They could have been salesmen selling cars. 

There was, imo, nothing that made them stand out as special in any way at all. On the contrary, the did come across a bit like used car salesmen who had been caught doing dodgy deals.

It's incredible that Rupert and his family came to wield so much power over the press. Especially in the UK which has at least some reputation as a country with a free press (okay - that is highly arguable, especially when you consider the role of the BBC which it seems to me is more and more a mouthpiece for the leading party.)

Anyway, Rupert is a bore. The McScam became an out-of-control juggernaut and exceedingly ugly to boot.

Fat ankles and the rest of the Rothley Towers mafia are small fry in the general scheme of things. Although no doubt they all have a lot of dirt they can dish around. Gerry with his medical/nuclear links. No doubt lots of dodgy stuff there, imo.

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Post by j.rob on Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:54 am

@ultimaThule wrote:And the award for 'Most Profuse Liars and Worst Actors in the History of the World' goes to....



Note their expressions. Especially Gerry. 

'Dupers' delight?'

http://changingminds.org/explanations/behaviors/lying/dupers_delight.htm

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Re: McCann tweets journalist told to reveal source

Post by RogerRabbit on Sat Feb 21, 2015 12:48 pm

@j.rob wrote:
@RogerRabbit wrote:
@ultimaThule wrote:You must be jesting, j.rob.   Rupert is an immensely rich and powerful kingmaker and anyone who attempts to make a meal out of him will find their own head served on a platter before they've had a chance to warm the oven.  yes .


UltimaThule,

The one thing you're underestimating is that there are no shortage of immensely rich and powerful kingmakers in the world, not merely in media but in other fields. There is simply no precedent for believing that any one individual would ever become so almighty as to be untouchable. Even the most powerful and brutal of mafia godfathers inspire no shortage of would-be rivals. When you've climbed as high as you can go in a pyramid of power, and your way up is blocked by a bigger bully, that frustration has a tendency of making the ruthless ever more determined to topple the old man at the top of the heap.

Indeed. The big think that strikes me about Rupert and his family/acolytes, which came across when the phone hacking stuff was being televised, was that they don't have enough going for them apart from from being rich and powerful.

There are plenty of people around, as RR states, who are rich and powerful but also have more than that. 

Rupert and his son came over poorly when questioned in the hacking case. They came over as being quite shallow, not that bright. Boring. Not passionate about journalism or writing or world issues or anything. They could have been salesmen selling cars. 

There was, imo, nothing that made them stand out as special in any way at all. On the contrary, the did come across a bit like used car salesmen who had been caught doing dodgy deals.

It's incredible that Rupert and his family came to wield so much power over the press. Especially in the UK which has at least some reputation as a country with a free press (okay - that is highly arguable, especially when you consider the role of the BBC which it seems to me is more and more a mouthpiece for the leading party.)

Anyway, Rupert is a bore. The McScam became an out-of-control juggernaut and exceedingly ugly to boot.

Fat ankles and the rest of the Rothley Towers mafia are small fry in the general scheme of things. Although no doubt they all have a lot of dirt they can dish around. Gerry with his medical/nuclear links. No doubt lots of dodgy stuff there, imo.
Well, the favourite caricature of Murdoch is the one which got twisted and adapted into the villain character in a James Bond movie - the mogul who makes the news around the world in order to be the one to broadcast it.

We tend to see Murdoch as greater than he actually is.

The nature of his power is this: his stations are watched by millions who are, in turn, fed carefully controlled opinions to adopt.

He gets to make his money, and those in his good graces get to have their agendas aided.

There is no evidence that I've seen which suggests that he has anything even resembling the kind of power wielded in the geopolitics of oil, the geopolitics of minerals, or the geopolitics of nuclear superpower which are fundamentally the prevailing factors dictating foreign policy around the world at present.

Combined with that is the fact that the traditional dominance of Newscorp ventures is diminishing at a rate of knots, Murdoch is arguably already on the defensive and trying to play catchup. The power of media corporations in general is on the decline - even in television and movie production we're now seeing the growth in power and prominence of audacious upstarts to the industry like Amazon and Netflix, who are using the power of their ubiquity and sheer subscriber numbers to fund their own transition into production rather than mere supply and it seems that these are capable of some heavy duty production if shows like Bosch, Black Sails and Vikings are anything to go by. Increasingly consumers are turning to the internet for information and opinion, which places the likes of Google and Microsoft in infinitely higher echelons of power than Newscorp. Sky News is seen generally as a caricature of a politically skewed news station, with reporting which is now barely above a Channel 5 grade show, and essentially the 'exclusive' content which set Sky apart from being a mere content delivery platform has now been eroded to sporting content, which in turn is and will be inevitably diluted further by Sky's need to capitalise on opportunity by selling content packages outside of their self-owned conduit.

What else is left of Newscorp? Movie studios can and do go bust with alarming frequency and while Fox is one of the more secure production stables, it is not immune, although it is certainly the most logical division to be spun off into an entirely independent state. Certainly it's number of billion dollar franchises has been decimated with the departure of Star Wars into Disney ownership.

In essence, Murdoch's power is inevitably tied to the relevance of the businesses he controls, and internet is changing an awful lot awfully quickly.

I can't help but get a picture of a railway magnate fighting against the tide of road and air travel. He's a giant who knows no equal, being slowly bitten to death by smaller, faster creatures, making a lot of noise, roaring and capable of inflicting great damage if he manages to stomp on you, but tiring and weakening to the flood of attacks hitting from all angles.

It doesn't matter how many friends he once had in high establishment places, the treatment he's received over Hackgate, Leveson, the ongoing criminal investigations which implicate Newscorp businesses in corruption and murder, the persistent negative exposure in the public gaze, his cold cynicism, and not only Brendagate, but potentially the colossal fallout if the Met ever get on the same page as the PJ in this case, and how Murdoch enterprises will have to spin and dodge faster than ever before to convince anyone that they were not deliberate agents of lies, but were always on the trail of whatever deceit has taken place...

Murdoch is in a very fragile position, and I doubt that he's making the kind of headlines that are affecting him so profoundly, rather just playing catch up and struggling to keep from capsizing against the power of the waves.

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Re: McCann tweets journalist told to reveal source

Post by AlexBG on Sat Feb 21, 2015 3:01 pm

@j.rob wrote:It would seem that Summers and Swan were also keen to promote the idea of nasty trolls hiding under bridges and being mean to the McCanns as one of the Amazon one star reviewers wrote this:


"I was very concerned by the use of the loaded word ‘haters’ to describe those who doubt the McCanns. Chapters 15 and 16 deal with prominent doubters (my preferred word), and the authors' bias comes through.

For example they mention that the website http://mccannfiles.com set up in 2007 by Nigel Moore has long had a donate button and still does now. Why is this negative? They admit that he, according to press reports, gives the website work his virtual full time attention. Isn’t it reasonable for him to suggest that people who use the mass of information he provides make a voluntary donation towards his running costs?"
The book has received a few 5-star reviews lately - perhaps the pros are hoping it'll rise from the ashes.

On a vaguely-related note, it's worth mentioning that Sweepyface posted an Amazon review of the above-mentioned book:
 http://www.amazon.co.uk/review/R21OAY038HPY3W/ref=cm_cr_pr_cmt?ie=UTF8&ASIN=147221160X
This is referred to in the archive of her tweets. She also refers to having had direct discussions with the authors on their facebook or twitter page.

Sweepyface also had an active Amazon wishlist, to which she had added items (garden ornaments) as recently as 21 September 2014 - she was obviously planning to live at that time:
 http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/registry/wishlist/3DP9LMVVYPUPY/ref=pdp_new

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Re: McCann tweets journalist told to reveal source

Post by AlexBG on Sat Feb 21, 2015 3:08 pm

@j.rob wrote:
I still don't understand why they targetted Brenda Leyland, though? She lived near the Mcs. I wonder if they knew (of) each other? Did she have some 'insider info' perhaps? Something about nanny Amy Tierney who I think it is said she was tweeting about shortly before her death. Amy was involved in printing out those early pics, apparently. So perhaps she is a 'key' player?
I've read through the entire archive of Brenda's tweets and haven't found anything which might stand out as obviously earth-shattering although, as you say, it's possible that something she said did hit a raw nerve with TM and we are simply unaware of it.
It's also possible that the archive itself has been edited by forces unknown - this would require access to the site which archived them (unrelated to twitter itself as far as I know).

Brenda was a woman who appears to have been living alone, with no UK-based close family to support her in any legal battles. In addition, nobody was present to bear witness either to her state of mind, or to any events which may have taken place, in the days/hours preceding her death. This is perhaps the real reason why she - of all the people allegedly on the list - was the one chosen.


All just my opinions.

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Post by j.rob on Sat Feb 21, 2015 3:28 pm

@RogerRabbit wrote:
@j.rob wrote:
@RogerRabbit wrote:
@ultimaThule wrote:You must be jesting, j.rob.   Rupert is an immensely rich and powerful kingmaker and anyone who attempts to make a meal out of him will find their own head served on a platter before they've had a chance to warm the oven.  yes .


UltimaThule,

The one thing you're underestimating is that there are no shortage of immensely rich and powerful kingmakers in the world, not merely in media but in other fields. There is simply no precedent for believing that any one individual would ever become so almighty as to be untouchable. Even the most powerful and brutal of mafia godfathers inspire no shortage of would-be rivals. When you've climbed as high as you can go in a pyramid of power, and your way up is blocked by a bigger bully, that frustration has a tendency of making the ruthless ever more determined to topple the old man at the top of the heap.

Indeed. The big think that strikes me about Rupert and his family/acolytes, which came across when the phone hacking stuff was being televised, was that they don't have enough going for them apart from from being rich and powerful.

There are plenty of people around, as RR states, who are rich and powerful but also have more than that. 

Rupert and his son came over poorly when questioned in the hacking case. They came over as being quite shallow, not that bright. Boring. Not passionate about journalism or writing or world issues or anything. They could have been salesmen selling cars. 

There was, imo, nothing that made them stand out as special in any way at all. On the contrary, the did come across a bit like used car salesmen who had been caught doing dodgy deals.

It's incredible that Rupert and his family came to wield so much power over the press. Especially in the UK which has at least some reputation as a country with a free press (okay - that is highly arguable, especially when you consider the role of the BBC which it seems to me is more and more a mouthpiece for the leading party.)

Anyway, Rupert is a bore. The McScam became an out-of-control juggernaut and exceedingly ugly to boot.

Fat ankles and the rest of the Rothley Towers mafia are small fry in the general scheme of things. Although no doubt they all have a lot of dirt they can dish around. Gerry with his medical/nuclear links. No doubt lots of dodgy stuff there, imo.
Well, the favourite caricature of Murdoch is the one which got twisted and adapted into the villain character in a James Bond movie - the mogul who makes the news around the world in order to be the one to broadcast it.

We tend to see Murdoch as greater than he actually is.

The nature of his power is this: his stations are watched by millions who are, in turn, fed carefully controlled opinions to adopt.

He gets to make his money, and those in his good graces get to have their agendas aided.

There is no evidence that I've seen which suggests that he has anything even resembling the kind of power wielded in the geopolitics of oil, the geopolitics of minerals, or the geopolitics of nuclear superpower which are fundamentally the prevailing factors dictating foreign policy around the world at present.

Combined with that is the fact that the traditional dominance of Newscorp ventures is diminishing at a rate of knots, Murdoch is arguably already on the defensive and trying to play catchup. The power of media corporations in general is on the decline - even in television and movie production we're now seeing the growth in power and prominence of audacious upstarts to the industry like Amazon and Netflix, who are using the power of their ubiquity and sheer subscriber numbers to fund their own transition into production rather than mere supply and it seems that these are capable of some heavy duty production if shows like Bosch, Black Sails and Vikings are anything to go by. Increasingly consumers are turning to the internet for information and opinion, which places the likes of Google and Microsoft in infinitely higher echelons of power than Newscorp. Sky News is seen generally as a caricature of a politically skewed news station, with reporting which is now barely above a Channel 5 grade show, and essentially the 'exclusive' content which set Sky apart from being a mere content delivery platform has now been eroded to sporting content, which in turn is and will be inevitably diluted further by Sky's need to capitalise on opportunity by selling content packages outside of their self-owned conduit.

What else is left of Newscorp? Movie studios can and do go bust with alarming frequency and while Fox is one of the more secure production stables, it is not immune, although it is certainly the most logical division to be spun off into an entirely independent state. Certainly it's number of billion dollar franchises has been decimated with the departure of Star Wars into Disney ownership.

In essence, Murdoch's power is inevitably tied to the relevance of the businesses he controls, and internet is changing an awful lot awfully quickly.

I can't help but get a picture of a railway magnate fighting against the tide of road and air travel. He's a giant who knows no equal, being slowly bitten to death by smaller, faster creatures, making a lot of noise, roaring and capable of inflicting great damage if he manages to stomp on you, but tiring and weakening to the flood of attacks hitting from all angles.

It doesn't matter how many friends he once had in high establishment places, the treatment he's received over Hackgate, Leveson, the ongoing criminal investigations which implicate Newscorp businesses in corruption and murder, the persistent negative exposure in the public gaze, his cold cynicism, and not only Brendagate, but potentially the colossal fallout if the Met ever get on the same page as the PJ in this case, and how Murdoch enterprises will have to spin and dodge faster than ever before to convince anyone that they were not deliberate agents of lies, but were always on the trail of whatever deceit has taken place...

Murdoch is in a very fragile position, and I doubt that he's making the kind of headlines that are affecting him so profoundly, rather just playing catch up and struggling to keep from capsizing against the power of the waves.

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King Canute springs to mind. 

There is, indeed, something very 'has been' about the Murdoch 'empire'. It hasn't kept abreast of trends and an increasingly questioning public and cynical public. Which is reflected in the public animosity, in general, towards the McScam affair. How the Mcs ever thought they would be able to generate public sympathy and support for such a long time when their words and actions have been so incriminating is anyone's guess. 

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but potentially the colossal fallout if the Met ever get on the same page as the PJ in this case, and how Murdoch enterprises will have to spin and dodge faster than ever before to convince anyone that they were not deliberate agents of lies, but were always on the trail of whatever deceit has taken place...


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Of course when the Mcs were made arguidos there was a lot of negative publicity about them in MSM. But in those early days TM still had money pouring in and they were able to Carter-Ruck themselves and silence everyone with libel suits and gagging clauses. But they were never going to be able to silence everyone in the whole wide world. And when they failed to have Detective Amaral's book banned outside the UK, I think that was the beginning of the end. 

If they had just shut up and put their heads down when the case was shelved, if they had not lobbied the Portuguese and British Governments for an independent review in 2010, I wonder if everyone would have lost interest and they could have disappeared into obscurity?

Perhaps their ultimate folly was their ambition that they could somehow be credible ambassadors for missing children? Their cynical attempts to insist that Madeleine's 'disappearance' was nothing at all to do with themselves or their friends - as is usually the case when children disappear in suspicious circumstances - but instead fell into the rare category of 'stranger abduction'. 

Still, I suppose foxes always want to be in charge of the hen coop.

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Re: McCann tweets journalist told to reveal source

Post by Joss on Sat Feb 21, 2015 4:09 pm

@AlexBG wrote:
@j.rob wrote:
I still don't understand why they targetted Brenda Leyland, though? She lived near the Mcs. I wonder if they knew (of) each other? Did she have some 'insider info' perhaps? Something about nanny Amy Tierney who I think it is said she was tweeting about shortly before her death. Amy was involved in printing out those early pics, apparently. So perhaps she is a 'key' player?
I've read through the entire archive of Brenda's tweets and haven't found anything which might stand out as obviously earth-shattering although, as you say, it's possible that something she said did hit a raw nerve with TM and we are simply unaware of it.
It's also possible that the archive itself has been edited by forces unknown - this would require access to the site which archived them (unrelated to twitter itself as far as I know).

Brenda was a woman who appears to have been living alone, with no UK-based close family to support her in any legal battles. In addition, nobody was present to bear witness either to her state of mind, or to any events which may have taken place, in the days/hours preceding her death. This is perhaps the real reason why she - of all the people allegedly on the list - was the one chosen.


All just my opinions.
I don't know about that, but i think Brenda was pretty close to her son Ben, and isn't he studying Law in the U.S. from what i read earlier in this case?
I think she had at least one friend in the U.K., that we see her getting into the car with after Brunt confronted her. I think it could of been more that she had a lovely home and maybe the TM were going to try go after some of her assets like they did with Goncalo Amaral & T. B. IMO.

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Post by plebgate on Sat Feb 21, 2015 4:38 pm

@RogerRabbit wrote:
@ultimaThule wrote:You must be jesting, j.rob.   Rupert is an immensely rich and powerful kingmaker and anyone who attempts to make a meal out of him will find their own head served on a platter before they've had a chance to warm the oven.  yes .


UltimaThule,

The one thing you're underestimating is that there are no shortage of immensely rich and powerful kingmakers in the world, not merely in media but in other fields. There is simply no precedent for believing that any one individual would ever become so almighty as to be untouchable. Even the most powerful and brutal of mafia godfathers inspire no shortage of would-be rivals. When you've climbed as high as you can go in a pyramid of power, and your way up is blocked by a bigger bully, that frustration has a tendency of making the ruthless ever more determined to topple the old man at the top of the heap.
Yeah Murdoch is immensely rich and powerful and has "made" politicians/political parties.   Not many rich and powerful men like that in the World.   Media mogul with a lot of clout indeed.    I do not believe his head will ever be served on a platter so to speak.

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Post by j.rob on Sat Feb 21, 2015 6:00 pm

Yeah Murdoch is immensely rich and powerful and has "made" politicians/political parties.   Not many rich and powerful men like that in the World.   Media mogul with a lot of clout indeed.    I do not believe his head will ever be served on a platter so to speak.


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I think he is looking increasingly stupid. What with the hacking, the McScam. Plus Sky is such a pile of drivel. And I still think his 'empire' is looking old and tired. 

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Post by Guest on Sat Feb 21, 2015 9:14 pm

@AlexBG wrote:
@j.rob wrote:
I still don't understand why they targetted Brenda Leyland, though? She lived near the Mcs. I wonder if they knew (of) each other? Did she have some 'insider info' perhaps? Something about nanny Amy Tierney who I think it is said she was tweeting about shortly before her death. Amy was involved in printing out those early pics, apparently. So perhaps she is a 'key' player?
I've read through the entire archive of Brenda's tweets and haven't found anything which might stand out as obviously earth-shattering although, as you say, it's possible that something she said did hit a raw nerve with TM and we are simply unaware of it.
It's also possible that the archive itself has been edited by forces unknown - this would require access to the site which archived them (unrelated to twitter itself as far as I know).

Brenda was a woman who appears to have been living alone, with no UK-based close family to support her in any legal battles. In addition, nobody was present to bear witness either to her state of mind, or to any events which may have taken place, in the days/hours preceding her death. This is perhaps the real reason why she - of all the people allegedly on the list - was the one chosen.


All just my opinions.

The only thing that set a little bell ringing for me was that she had been in New York - yet her son lives in Los Angeles, IIRC.

Could just have been a shopping trip of course.


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Post by RogerRabbit on Sun Feb 22, 2015 9:03 am

@plebgate wrote:
@RogerRabbit wrote:
@ultimaThule wrote:You must be jesting, j.rob.   Rupert is an immensely rich and powerful kingmaker and anyone who attempts to make a meal out of him will find their own head served on a platter before they've had a chance to warm the oven.  yes .


UltimaThule,

The one thing you're underestimating is that there are no shortage of immensely rich and powerful kingmakers in the world, not merely in media but in other fields. There is simply no precedent for believing that any one individual would ever become so almighty as to be untouchable. Even the most powerful and brutal of mafia godfathers inspire no shortage of would-be rivals. When you've climbed as high as you can go in a pyramid of power, and your way up is blocked by a bigger bully, that frustration has a tendency of making the ruthless ever more determined to topple the old man at the top of the heap.
Yeah Murdoch is immensely rich and powerful and has "made" politicians/political parties.   Not many rich and powerful men like that in the World.   Media mogul with a lot of clout indeed.    I do not believe his head will ever be served on a platter so to speak.
Has he 'made' politicians and political parties?

I can't think of any.

What HAS he made?

He's given people who wanted attention attention.

He's given people who wanted to skew the flow of information the ability to skew the flow of information.

He's blessed some people with very favourable coverage.

BUT

He's also done the opposite. He's burned people. He's ticked off people with power and wealth. He's switched sides numerous times, depending entirely on reading the public mood and shifting when the shift would be in vogue, rather than being late to the party. And he's clearly misreading the public mood on a colossal scale since his dishonesty, greed and insidious manipulations have been revealed.

You cannot, CANNOT, work so selectively and discriminately among the echelons of the politicos, blessing some and cursing others, without expecting a day of reckoning. And that very truth is the demonstration that his power only exists in the moment. In those halls of power, if everyone is not afraid of you, even those who are afraid of you will be eager to hide behind those who aren't, simply in order to see removed that thing which causes them fear.

Can you think of a single politician who would say proudly 'Rupert made me, and I love the man and shall stand by him forever?'

Kingmakers - as we've called him - don't do what they do out of the kindness of their heart. They require favours. They make demands. They manipulate. And the more they manipulate the more they irritate. And the worse the publicity they get for their misdeeds, the closer they get to making someone who wants to appear whiter than white look grubbier than a child in a mud pit. Men of influence are men of pride. They don't like constant reminders that they are someone's manufactured product, in someone's debt, having to ask permission to do anything. They rise up, they look for an escape, their indignance grows, and they become very aware that the former association is now a liability.

Not only that, but they won't pass their loyalty into the ownership of a corporation, nor will they pledge their allegiance to an idiot son. The power and the influence dies with Rupert, and there will be an awful lot of people eagerly awaiting that day, and plenty more who would like to see him fall completely from grace before that happens.

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Post by plebgate on Sun Feb 22, 2015 12:29 pm

If you haven't read just how many politicians Murdoch has been associated with then I cannot help you RogerR.   Google will probably help you.  
Powerful friends will never let Murdoch "have his head served on a platter"  no way (IMO of course).

He has given people more than attention reportedly.   It woz them that won the 1992 general election don't ya know!!!!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_The_Sun_Wot_Won_It

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Post by XTC on Sun Feb 22, 2015 10:50 pm

@ultimaThule wrote:'Old coot' he may be, but nevertheless he presented Cherie with Tone's head on a plate and this should serve as a example of what Mr Murdoch is capable of should anyone have the temerity to cross him, or get across one of his wives as the case may be, Joss.
Oh yes the Old fella is very powerful alright.

Don't take the public face for the the private face.

Beneath the blustering Uncle look lies a very shrewd brain.

He has built a powerful media empire in the U.S. and in the rest of the world ( China and India next ) and you don't plan and do that
without having the brains or the Machiavellian instincts.

I suspect contary to the received wisdom that he doesn't have his hands on every tiller and trusts his editors and Executives to run the local show as it were. Lovely Rebbekah was given free-ish rein to pick and choose who to support and who to expose in the News Corp media in the UK.Politically or socially.

The main thing for Murdoch is the political influence here and in the US as he will not be voting or backing leftish candidates of any stripe.

Sky News is certainly very busy lining up another Coalition Government and the fall back position is a restricted Labour Government if that
plan fails.


The thing is though as with all the great Corporations is that the shareholders tend to be Banks and if there ever was a downfall it would be the Banks who usurp him. Not the politicians.

He knows far too much about all of them and I am in no doubt that he and his acolytes have the back up evidence to prove it.

The problem for all Media Moguls is that Financiers run the world and no finance means no media empire.

They won't pull the plug unless they think their interests will be damaged. Read Peter Oborne and the Telegraph as an example.

The McCanns are a whim of Rebbekah not Murdoch.

They will come and/or go as far as he's concerned.

Brunty too if need be.

Like Coulson.

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Post by mad world on Mon Feb 23, 2015 12:11 am

Nah murdoch was sharp cookie..problem he has no one to continue his legacy...which is why at his age he still has to keep so much control. The murdoch empire won't last long after

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Post by mad world on Mon Feb 23, 2015 12:11 am

Nah murdoch was sharp cookie..problem he has no one to continue his legacy...which is why at his age he still has to keep so much control. The murdoch empire won't last long after his passing imo

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Post by Joss on Mon Feb 23, 2015 8:14 am

@mad world wrote:Nah murdoch was sharp cookie..problem he has no one to continue his legacy...which is why at his age he still has to keep so much control. The murdoch empire won't last long after his passing imo
I agree, empires come and go like most things in life, and everything has its use by date, just like us, nothing lasts forever.

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Post by RogerRabbit on Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:55 pm

@plebgate wrote:If you haven't read just how many politicians Murdoch has been associated with then I cannot help you RogerR.   Google will probably help you.  
Powerful friends will never let Murdoch "have his head served on a platter"  no way (IMO of course).

He has given people more than attention reportedly.   It woz them that won the 1992 general election don't ya know!!!!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_The_Sun_Wot_Won_It

Plebgate,

Sorry, I think you missed my point. It is totally irrelevant to list the number of politicians that Murdoch has 'blessed' for the simple reason that the nature of his business means he's ticked off just as many, if not more. You cannot, by nature, be in the good graces of every politician in every party within and without government. This is a power structure, full of backstabbing, vendettas, rivalry, bitterness and ego, not to mention corruption. Politicians don't have singular friends or singular figures of influence or enabling. They are always in the centre of a matrix of influential forces which are often conflicting. I would wager that the Lodge is infinitely more influential on politicians than Murdoch and his personal agendas. You make one king, you keep another one back. You throw in a favour, you do a disservice to someone else's interests. It is for situations like this that the phrase 'the chickens come home to roost' was made.

It would be true to say that Murdoch's powerful friends might not want to see his head served on a platter. It would be even truer to add 'Murdoch's powerful enemies would love to see him in just that state' and infinitely more realistic to say also that there are no friends in politics, only expediencies and everyone has a price. It took two things for the assassination of Caesar to be successful. First, his enemies had to be bold and come out in force. Second, his friends had to do nothing. Revolutions never stop at the main man, and when the tide is turned and push comes to shove, Rupert's nearest and dearest will look away when the knives come out, because they know they'll be next.

This is the myth of Murdoch, and you appropriately summed it up... 'It was the Sun wot did it?' Was it? Really? A tabloid rag read by a relative fraction of the population? The myth. A convenient myth. A myth that fuels the legend. But the truth? Tabloid media shamelessly rides the wave as close to the edge as it can, taking the most dangerous risks, playing the most illegal games, in order to create the appearance of being influential, astute, leading, cutting edge, tip of the sword, rubber meets the road. But that's all it is. An appearance. And if you look closely enough you can see just how much they make their decisions and create a lot of noise based on nothing so mysterious as mathematical probability, human psychology and reading the tell tales.

Did Hackgate teach nothing? Murdoch wasn't selling headlines because he was creating them. He wasn't even doing it because he had such an in-touch, embedded, involved, credible and confided team of people out there reporting back for him. He was doing it because his organisations were employing the most illegal and underhand techniques to steal information before it could processed and passed on - and published - by any other outlet.

The only actual power that Murdoch has is the power that other people give to him. If every person in this country stopped paying for Sky, watching Fox movies, and reading News Corp publications, Murdoch's empire would be over. No relationship with politicians would create any effect anywhere in the country. He'd be talking to himself. He is a man, with an empire, that can be defeated by something as simple as refusing to give him what he demands and feels entitled to. So where is his power? The rest is, as they say, bread and circus. And that's exactly what he's useful for, to the people with the real power. Providing bread and circus.

That's all the media has ever been.

And now the power of traditional media is at an end.

This is literally how much influence Murdoch has: if 'the Sun did it' over the course of a sitting cabinet, or an election campaign, 'YouTube' could undo it in 24 hours.

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Post by RogerRabbit on Mon Feb 23, 2015 2:13 pm

@XTC wrote:
@ultimaThule wrote:'Old coot' he may be, but nevertheless he presented Cherie with Tone's head on a plate and this should serve as a example of what Mr Murdoch is capable of should anyone have the temerity to cross him, or get across one of his wives as the case may be, Joss.
Oh yes the Old fella is very powerful alright.

Don't take the public face for the the private face.

Beneath the blustering Uncle look lies a very shrewd brain.

He has built a powerful media empire in the U.S. and in the rest of the world ( China and India next ) and you don't plan and do that
without having the brains or the Machiavellian instincts.

I suspect contary to the received wisdom that he doesn't have his hands on every tiller and trusts his editors and Executives to run the local show as it were. Lovely Rebbekah was given free-ish rein to pick and choose who to support and who to expose in the News Corp media in the UK.Politically or socially.

The main thing for Murdoch is the political influence here and in the US as he will not be voting or backing leftish candidates of any stripe.

Sky News is certainly very busy lining up another Coalition Government and the fall back position is a restricted Labour Government if that
plan fails.


The thing is though as with all the great Corporations is that the shareholders tend to be Banks and if there ever was a downfall it would be the Banks who usurp him. Not the politicians.

He knows far too much about all of them and I am in no doubt that he and his acolytes have the back up evidence to prove it.

The problem for all Media Moguls is that Financiers run the world and no finance means no media empire.

They won't pull the plug unless they think their interests will be damaged. Read Peter Oborne and the Telegraph as an example.

The McCanns are a whim of Rebbekah not Murdoch.

They will come and/or go as far as he's concerned.

Brunty too if need be.

Like Coulson.

Well, that's a slightly different take on Murdoch. He could be the J Edgar Hoover of the media world. The problem with that is that Hoover used his knowledge and his techniques to - as he saw it - keep the American establishment honest and to protect America's place in the world. At the same time, his own proclivities precluded his imperviousness in a dog eat dog world.

Murdoch knows a lot about powerful people. Perhaps so. But by extension powerful people know a lot about him too. The myth of the Murdoch Legend is that his ability to drop a nuclear bomb on a political party, or a figure, is strictly unilateral. Not so. This is mutually assured destruction. It's a mechanism that only works while it works, but is fragile enough to be broken enough to stop working at all. It's a game of poker with no limit involving players with infinitely deep pockets, and it will go on until someone calls. All it will take is someone bold enough to call, and then it's over. Whether it is the one righteous man who calls it, or a collective of unrighteous men remains to be seen. There's nothing more effective than fear to fuel paranoia and push a man to take an action that he'd have otherwise rationalised himself out of. People - especially people in power - don't like to have guns held to their heads and their tolerance wears down and then out very quickly.

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Post by plebgate on Mon Feb 23, 2015 4:34 pm

I agree that Murdoch's empire might not be so powerful once he no longer heads it, but as for others bringing Rupert down - I still say NO WAY JOSE.

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Post by j.rob on Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:59 am

I still think there is something 'has been' about the whole Murdoch 'empire'. The model is dated. It looks crude, unsophisticated, crass.

The world has changed so much since the whole union-bashing Wapping stuff. I don't think he really has the finger of popular culture at all. And his children, imo, lack charisma or that certain 'something.'

The general public it would seem are pretty bored of the whole Madeleine McCann case and if the comments are anything to go by in MSM there is very little sympathy for the McCann parents. The MSM version of the story is just so old and tired. 

Unless you dig behind the headlines and discover what a giant can of worms it is, the story is now just incredibly boring.

The Mcs, in fact, have done absolutely nothing, imo to help prevent child abuse. Or help find missing people. By pretending that their daughter was the victim of a stereotypical abduction by a stranger, when all the signs are that it was not, they have actually done a disservice to children.

Who continue to be abused at the hands of their parents, wider family, relatives and others who are known to the child and have gained the child's trust.

That the Mcs and their friends were ever given any kind of platform to peddle their stupid story is incredible. What was the 'end game' Rupert? A knighthood for Gerry? Micro-chipping children? Medical experiments?

What a farce.

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Post by Guest on Wed Feb 25, 2015 11:56 am

So many aspects of this case are thought-provoking.  If a journalist or newspaper would be brave enough to break ranks and become vocal it could be sensational and the big hitters in the industry would know this.  Which leaves me wondering how long the super-inaudible is in place for - until MBM is found (dead or alive), a criminal conviction, if the case is shelved?
I sincerely wish for positive developments soon and hope GA is well.
Just some thoughts.

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Post by Dr What on Wed Feb 25, 2015 12:42 pm

Does any one on this forum know the answer to the question just posted? 

How long does a super-inaudible last? Is it forever? Does it have to be reviewed or reapplied for every so often?

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Post by worriedmum on Wed Feb 25, 2015 1:02 pm

I don't know the answer to the question but it does really tickle me that we call it a 'super -inaudiblelol!

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Post by j.rob on Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:11 pm

Ladyinred wrote:So many aspects of this case are thought-provoking.  If a journalist or newspaper would be brave enough to break ranks and become vocal it could be sensational and the big hitters in the industry would know this.  Which leaves me wondering how long the super-inaudible is in place for - until MBM is found (dead or alive), a criminal conviction, if the case is shelved?
I sincerely wish for positive developments soon and hope GA is well.
Just some thoughts.

Hear, hear!

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