Re: Gerry's fake passport photo

by Lance De Boils 18.10.14 10:48

I remember this being discussed years ago. I also remember looking into passport photo rules and seeing that they had become far stricter some time after this passport was issued.

I remember concluding that nothing useful could be gleaned from K&G's passport pictures. Just imo.

by LombardySkeptik 18.10.14 11:18

Lance De Boils wrote:I remember this being discussed years ago. I also remember looking into passport photo rules and seeing that they had become far stricter some time after this passport was issued.

I remember concluding that nothing useful could be gleaned from K&G's passport pictures. Just imo.

I agree

While it is always worth scrutinising all of the McCann legend, this thesis is rather more out there than most

Remember false passports are usually to mask identity in traveling etc

Are we to imagine that the point of this 'forged passport' thesis is that Gerry McCann is not Gerry McCann....?

by Snifferdog 18.10.14 11:30

There would need to be a good reason for Gerry to assume a false ID. If we cannot find one, there would be no point in looking into it further.
If it were true, it would open a minefield, and require that we change a lot of our thoughts and perceptions about this case.

by juliet 18.10.14 20:05

All I am sure of is that there is a lot more to this case than "A tragic holiday accident....covered up because they were middle class doctors who were a bit too fond of a drink." Nothing would surprise me about the McCanns. Every photo of Madeleine is questionable so not so odd that Gerry's passport photo doesn't add up. Even the left eye looks drawn on.

by nglfi 18.10.14 20:20

But it makes no logical sense for him to do that. Why would Gerry draw up a fake passport picture with a picture of someone who looks almost exactly like him, what would be the purpose? Unless we are saying the man currently in the media is not Gerry McCann and is someone entirely different who has assumed his identity? But in that case it makes no sense for the photo itself to be altered, it would just be a clear shot of the man we currently know as Gerry McCann, with no alterations. I'm sorry but I can't see any logic behind it. I'm not saying they're not dodgy and that there's no chance there was any pre planning in this, but I can't see any reason or possibility that the man we know as Gerry McCann has assumed an identity. Think of all of his family and all the people that knew him before the event, someone would speak up.

by juliet 18.10.14 20:34

Perhaps as someone said he thought someone had facial recognition memory of him looking into his webcam? Oh no, ludicrous. But all the fake photos of Madeleine - in England and Ireland as well as PdL - are baffling too.

by missbeetle 18.10.14 20:58

There is some discussion at the beginning of the Car Hire thread about whether Gerry held more than one passport.

As to why a doctored passport might need to have been arranged - ideas off the top of my head :

- original one stolen in questionable circumstances

- to hide stamps in passport from odd or suspicious travel eg. previous travel to Portugal

- photograph altered enough to outwit facial recognition technology

- something to do with Witness Protection or Operation Mincemeat

I've had a look at the passport photographs of Gerry and Kate again :

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To me, these pictures look like the sort of portrait pictures used for employment profiles. 'Our team' sort of thing.

Possibly easier to get hold of at short notice than old passport photographs?

All just my ideas and opinions.

by j.rob 18.10.14 21:51

Good points, missbe!

There are many reasons why people might have more than one passport. Or a dodgy passport. Or even a fake passport.

Why not? Of course there are.

I have also never seen someone sideways on in a passport photo, as Kate is.

I doubt either of those photos are their passport photos, imo.

Why would they be?

Everything that has sprung from their neck of the woods is a falsehood or lie, so why would this be any different?

IMO.

by j.rob 18.10.14 22:03

Think of all of his family and all the people that knew him before the event, someone would speak up.

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Yes, isn't it remarkable how no-one speaks up about what the Mc family life was really like? Not one single person.

Apart from the Gaspers, maybe?

I don't believe the purple prose accounts given by a few (who have been paid off?) in the rogatories. They don't ring true to me.

by Guest 18.10.14 22:11

j.rob wrote:Good points, missbe!

There are many reasons why people might have more than one passport. Or a dodgy passport. Or even a fake passport.

Why not? Of course there are.

I have also never seen someone sideways on in a passport photo, as Kate is.

I doubt either of those photos are their passport photos, imo.

Why would they be?

Everything that has sprung from their neck of the woods is a falsehood or lie, so why would this be any different?

IMO.

Haven't a clue why but I keep all my expired passports. Every one looks like a prime suspect in a police ID parade, Britain's most wanted misery! I don't remember ever having the option of smiling to improve my otherwise dodgy photographic image.

by j.rob 18.10.14 22:14

Seems like the whole passport thing might be a little bit of a 'hot potato' in some quarters.

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by Nina 18.10.14 22:21

Our son has two passports quite legally as he enters and leaves with Visas to his place of work and his passport is retained. Also the pages get filled very quickly.

by juliet 18.10.14 22:26

Great points as ever missbeetle and j.rob. As for Gerry's pals, neighbours, workmates: none has uttered a squeak since this all began. His only character witness seems to be Bridget ODonnell who knew him for three and a half minutes.

by j.rob 18.10.14 22:45

juliet wrote:Great points as ever missbeetle and j.rob. As for Gerry's pals, neighbours, workmates: none has uttered a squeak since this all began. His only character witness seems to be Bridget ODonnell who knew him for three and a half minutes.

Indeed.

I doubt if either JW and BO'D have particularly fond memories of that week at OC.

But I wonder when the three and a half minutes was??

by missbeetle 02.11.14 16:16

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Here he is on his work website : our pastel polo shirt wearing Prince of Heart Problems - Dr Gerry McCann.

Neck beard and all...

by missbeetle 29.11.14 19:57

Here's another work-related mugshot and biography of Dr Gerry :

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by Guest 29.11.14 22:48

Please google: VU Medical Centre
Then: van Rossum
This will supply you with: all publications by or with van professor Rossum and his students and team from 1986 or thereabouts onwards

Who turns up at every tip of your finger? [b]Dr Gerald Mc Cann[/b]

Not

Not a single mention of him in all the years of dr van Rossums' teaching/coaching University carreer. No mention of him in a single publication. Not one.

Please correct me if Im wrong

thinking

by Guest 30.11.14 0:05

there are 5 articles on pubmed for a gp mccann as co-author named, with ac van rossum named in 3 as co-author.

looking at the subjects they all could be from gerald p mccann aka gerry mccann.

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by j.rob 30.11.14 17:50

Blimey, if you google 'Gerald P McCann' the very first page is not exactly good PR - yikes! Every single link bar one in the first two lines contains the information that Gerry McCann was placed on the Child Sex Offenders Register in 2002.

Unbelievable!

Whether true or not.

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by Guest 30.11.14 17:57

Is that why he calls himself Gerry, even for official/professional purposes? Usually an academic or clinician who publishes regularly would use his/her full name in employment profiles e.g. G.P. McCann or Gerald P. McCann.

by j.rob 30.11.14 17:59

Such a coincidence that Gerry had his wallet stolen on his second visit home!

There are just sooooo many coincidences in this case.

And the wallet contained 'irreplacable' pictures of Madeleine.

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by Guest 30.11.14 18:12

Ladyinred wrote:Is that why he calls himself Gerry, even for official/professional purposes? Usually an academic or clinician who publishes regularly would use his/her full name in employment profiles e.g. G.P. McCann or Gerald P. McCann.

Just checked his publishing name - GP McCann. He's been busy over the past few years:

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by missbeetle 30.11.14 20:43

missbeetle wrote:Here's another work-related mugshot and biography of Dr Gerry :

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Gerry seems to acquired some of his cardiology training whilst in New Zealand.

His fellow Napier City Rovers team-mate had him down as a surgeon :
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(snipped from the Sun, 28th April 2008)

I'm touched by Kate's managing to spend hours on the touchlines, though!

From either Auckland (where she first worked) or Wellington to Hawkes Bay is a pox of a journey.

Can't have been easy fitting it all in around junior doctors' rotas, either...

My opinions only.

by missbeetle 11.12.14 23:50

Apologies in advance is this is off-topic -

- I've seen Philomena McCann's nationality described as being 'Irish'...

...would this be on account of her being born there -

-and would that not make John McCann and Trish Cameron Irish, too?

Would the elder McCann siblings hold UK passports also?

Would they be eligible for them?

How would people decide which passport to hold -

- or nationalities to identify with?

by missbeetle 21.12.14 9:11

missbeetle wrote:
missbeetle wrote:Here's another work-related mugshot and biography of Dr Gerry :

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Gerry seems to acquired some of his cardiology training whilst in New Zealand.

His fellow Napier City Rovers team-mate had him down as a surgeon :
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(snipped from the Sun, 28th April 2008)

I'm touched by Kate's managing to spend hours on the touchlines, though!

From either Auckland (where she first worked) or Wellington to Hawkes Bay is a pox of a journey.

Can't have been easy fitting it all in around junior doctors' rotas, either...

My opinions only.

Bumping up this post from a couple of weeks ago for you, Aquila -

- in reply to your post on the 'Solved' thread.

Napier's definitely a city - I went to a service at the Cathedral there as a schoolgirl.

Yes, it's famous for its Art Deco heritage - the result of a terrible earthquake in the 1930s.

I regret to say that I know almost nothing of Napier Hospital -

- or how the junior doctor system in NZ worked then re placements and rotations.

Impressive that Gerry managed to captain a soccer team in his spare time, though...!

Why Napier...?

- perhaps Gerry thought it'd be in between Auckland and Wellington?

I do know know that Kate was a doctor down in Wellington for a time.

The rest is anyone's guess.

My thoughts only.