Did the Tapas 9 REALLY abandon their children ?

by **PeterMac** 06.10.14 18:06

The "official story" ( which we must now all believe, on pain of being hounded to our deaths by Sky ) is that they all went out every night and left the children, going back for regular checks.
It has to be said that even the McCanns got it all badly wrong when they said that the alleged half hourly checks were an improvement on what they had been doing the previous evenings, and that this was promoted by the clear and unequivocal complaint from Madeleine.

On the night Madeleine was reported as missing the McCanns claim their checks were around every 30 minutes. [2]
But after Madeleine had told them on the Thursday morning (she was reported missing on Thursday night) that she and her brother had been crying on the previous night – the
McCanns decided they would check their children more regularly. [3], [4], [5]
If every 30 minutes was more regular than previous nights, then the McCann children were not being checked every 30 minutes throughout that week. Hourly is more credible.

But can anyone actually believe that they did ?

9 parents, including a grandmother,
abandoning 8 children, all under 4 years old, some under 2
for 6 nights in a row
in cold, dark apartments
with unlocked, or locked doors
for hours
when some are crying
when some are vomiting
and others are lying in pools of their own diarrhoea
and the most articulate 3 year old has spoken on behalf of the group and made specific complaints about their abandonment
and these 9 parents are, mostly, medically qualified . . .and all are professionals

DOES anyone believe that this happened ?
CAN anyone believe that this happened ?

by Guest 06.10.14 18:15

See.. analysis and critical thinking... no hate.. no abuse.

That's all we have to keep doing.

Nice one Peter.

Their story makes no sense.

by HelenMeg 06.10.14 18:29

Most definitely they did not abandon or neglect their kids. However, it was a clever means of distraction - countless hours have been spent discussing neglect and of course it enabled there to be a staged abduction.
Good idea for a thread because it seems that there are still too many people out there who believe the neglect red herring. clapping

by Smokeandmirrors 06.10.14 18:35

Within hours of Madeleines disappearance we had heard that a large party had left babies alone, many of that party being Doctors. We saw the shocking lies of the shutters and the parents unbelievable body language in their first press statement.

The rest, they say, is history …………

by sami 06.10.14 18:38

PeterMac wrote:The "official story" ( which we must now all believe, on pain of being hounded to our deaths by Sky ) is that they all went out every night and left the children, going back for regular checks.

DOES anyone believe that this happened ?
CAN anyone believe that this happened ?

No I do not believe that this happened.

by tiny 06.10.14 18:38

I didn't believe the tapas lot left their children unattended either,but they pushed this out quite early so as tp help the mccanns

by Smokeandmirrors 06.10.14 18:41

Or if they did, what the hell could have been going on out in PdL worth taking that risk for? Or what or who could they have been creating an "opportunity" for?

by JohnyT 06.10.14 20:17

..the lesser of two evils........
JohnyT

by Dont Make Me Laff 06.10.14 20:28

I find it difficult to believe that any parent would leave one child under the age of 14 let alone 3 under 04 alone

I have read posters comparing The McC's to Chavs..

I happen to think that chavs have more respect for their children.

by brixham 06.10.14 20:43

I or no-one I know that I've been on holiday with would leave the apartment to go out for the evening and leave the patio doors open for fear of valuables being stolen. Even if there were no kids left in the apartment I don't believe anyone would leave a door open. Utter tosh.
No-one leaves their kids in an unlocked out of view apartment. Period.

by sammyc 06.10.14 21:59

Give it a couple of more years and the Tapas 9's children will be asking the same question to their parents. 'Mother, Father - did you REALLY abandon us on that holiday to go out drinking and eating every night?' They have put themselves in an extraordinary and unanswerable position. If they say 'yes we did' then they have the potential backlash of their grown up children or ' no we didn't' means their own children will want to know the truth of what happened during that holiday. Rock and hard place Tapas 9 - think of your own families and future life and come clean.

by **Enid O'Dowd** 06.10.14 22:11

Look at the babysitting options:

use the evening creche included in the holiday price

or

ask a nanny who minded your children in the daytime creche to babysit at the then rate of approx £8-9 ph. Strangely, Dr Kate McCann does not mention the nanny option in her book.

Instead they state they decided to get up at 30 min intervals to check their children; letting their food get cold, leaving the conversation and having to catch up on their return, and catch a busy waiter to reheat the food.

Not my idea of a fun evening.

Why would well paid professionals opt for this?

I don't find it credible.

by Searcher 06.10.14 23:22

If I had small children, sleeping in a holiday bedroom, and there was a decent terrace to the apartment - surely I might think of bringing in some take-away food, bottles, a group gathering - right on the doorstep. Why not? On the terrace?

Would I, as a reasonably intelligent and caring parent, choose instead to leave those children, to eat at a bar, where I could not see any door or window to the apartment - either locked or unlocked - and leave my children to their own devices without an adult? Would I also choose to leave them alone instead of having a baby-sitter and, on one occasion if Mrs. Fenn's statement is correct, leaving them unattended and crying for '75 minutes'.

But no, still the media are silent on even just this one basic question. It is all 'normal'.

by MissesWillYa 06.10.14 23:58

I don't believe it and never have.

I remember when I first heard about the case. We had just moved into a two-story townhouse kind of place, a short-term rental after we moved to a new city, which we chose because it allowed us to look for a house to buy in a leisurely way. We only had one child then; he was about 19 months old when MBM "disappeared." I distinctly remember bristling at the "dining in your back garden" comparisons because I'd lately been wrestling with this concept myself. It was getting warm out and I really wanted to sit outside in the tiny backyard in the evenings, but was afraid to because it seemed so far away from the baby sleeping upstairs. I remember thinking "Heck no, I'm never leaving him alone in the house now, literally anything could happen!" But I didn't feel convinced that she'd been abducted under these circumstances. It just seemed so far-fetched!

by **tigger** 07.10.14 7:46

I know that there was a leak in the press around October 07 from the PJ that they had evidence that all children were in one apartment.

This was immediately rebutted by Clarence who stated that it would be much harder to get seven children to sleep.

So that's 8 - 1 - man's just no help sometimes laughat

by **tigger** 07.10.14 8:57

This is the link to Clarence's statement:

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by j.rob 07.10.14 12:52

tigger wrote:I know that there was a leak in the press around October 07 from the PJ that they had evidence that all children were in one apartment.

This was immediately rebutted by Clarence who stated that it would be much harder to get seven children to sleep.

So that's 8 - 1 - man's just no help sometimes

When did the -1 happen though?

My guess is that something had happened by Tuesday. Hence the dodgy tennis ball photo and the accounts of activities for Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday. And the very hazy memories of the Tapas friends for those days.

But there is very little if any account of daytime activities on Sunday or Monday in Kate's book.

What was really going on on Sunday and Monday?

Kate does give an account of arrival day, Saturday. And claims that she and Madeleine went swimming in the pool. Even though it was freezing. There are no photos of this though, and no account of what Gerry or the twins were doing when she and Madeleine were swimming. If this really happened (always a huge if with the Mcs) could this possibly account for Kate's strange comment in her book about 'not being allowed to take photographs of your own children in swimming pools.'

A very strange comment, imo.

by j.rob 07.10.14 13:27

Enid O'Dowd wrote:Look at the babysitting options:

use the evening creche included in the holiday price

or

ask a nanny who minded your children in the daytime creche to babysit at the then rate of approx £8-9 ph. Strangely, Dr Kate McCann does not mention the nanny option in her book.

Instead they state they decided to get up at 30 min intervals to check their children; letting their food get cold, leaving the conversation and having to catch up on their return, and catch a busy waiter to reheat the food.

Not my idea of a fun evening.

Why would well paid professionals opt for this?

I don't find it credible.

Well, some parents are quite neglectful so I don't find it impossible to believe. And I think getting eight (or would that be seven?) children to sleep all together in one bedroom - with one adult from the group babysitting - would be quite difficult.

And don't forget, Kate herself brings up the subject of sedation, of not just Madeleine but the twins too. Claiming the 'abductor' could have done it on one or even two evenings.

If some of the group had used the MW 'baby-listening' on previous holidays then there would be a precedent for leaving children in hotel rooms when someone (a nanny) listened outside the door.

If the McCanns are narcissistic, which I believe they are, then birds of a feather flock together.

I can't imagine that the Gaspers were going to join either the McCanns or the Paynes on holiday again after this couple observed the behaviour of David Payne and Gerry McCann on a holiday in the summer of 2006. With Mrs Gasper making a police statement after Madeleine's disappearance that she thought that David Payne might watch child porn on the web. And Gerry did not, accodring to Mrs Gasper, flinch when David Payne made a lewd gesture which Mrs Gasper thought was referring to Madeleine right in front of Madeleine's father.

So, if the Gasper statement gives even an inkling of an idea of the type of people that Gerry McCann and David Payne might be, then I would imagine that making first class childcare arrangements might not be at the top of their list of priorities.

I also think that the McCanns did not like spending money on childcare, maybe not on their children in general, which can also be a narcissistic trait. Paying for babysitting does not seem to be something they like to do. (I think there are some cultural explanations around this in terms of the type of backgrounds they come from.)

So what type of people would want to go on a family holiday with Gerry McCann and - if the Gasper statement carry any weight - David Payne?

Well, we know that on that particular holiday there was also Russell O'Brien and his partner Jane Tanner, and Matt and Rachael Oldfield.

Kate explains in her book how they know them: "Although they were all originally friends of David and Fiona's, we knew them quite well too - in fact Gerry had worked in the past with both Russell and Matt - so we had no concerns about whether we'd all get along."

by Snifferdog 07.10.14 13:31

by The Infidel 07.10.14 22:06

Wasn't there a different member of the tapas group sick every night? That implied to me that the kids were in one room being looked after by whoever was 'sick'. IMO.