Re: Madeleine: The Last Hope? - Panorama UPDATED 7.30 25th April (only certain areas) and 8.30 pm Mon 30th April 2012

by **PeterMac** 22.04.12 22:15

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by Liz Eagles 22.04.12 22:43

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by tuom 22.04.12 22:55

Wow !! what is about this case that raises so many comments on the Radio Times site on a programme that has not even aired yet !!

by Guest 22.04.12 23:58

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PeterMac, in the interests of political correctness and equal opportunities, can you also post a picture to commemorate the female trolls who have graced this forum recently?

by Liz Eagles 23.04.12 0:04

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Jean, I think he did.

by aiyoyo 23.04.12 3:46

Woofer wrote:
Hello Aiyoyo - I totally agree with you. I was just saying that the last documentary Panorama did on this went out with the McCanns` approval, but of course SY were not making comment in that one. Really I was pointing out this happened last time - in fact I think Jon Corner`s film was used in parts of it - so the McCanns could have insisted they approve this one as well. Of course it would be totally inappropriate, but then with all the unexplained power they seem to have over many establishment organisations, it wouldn`t surprise me. But I would end up having no faith in anything anymore.

Well Woofer, the last Panorama documentary was initiated by team mccann right? So, without saying, naturally they would want to control their output, and BBC has not choice over it, else there wouldn't be a programme!

This one is completely different. This one is without doubt neither BBC nor TM has a choice over the Police output.
I cant see how even mighty as he seems mccanns' media controller can control what comes out from the Police. Since the mccanns didnt offer themselves to be eliminated from the process, no sane police force would update them.

I suspect this programme will be more of an announcement to the press to stay well within the boundary of responsible reporting to avoid jeopardise of future trial, while giving out minimum information, that at most will give a scan hint (with some hard deducing or guessing) to the direction of the review and nothing else.

Police are known from time to time to come on national tv to appeal to witnesses or to implore press to apply restraint in their coverage. This may be a case of hinting to the "magnificient (not) seven" to volunteer to come forward with info or be invited into the Police station, and this time "tea and salmon sandwiches" wont be laid out!

And from the Hack Inquiry we know all about "arrest" by invitation dont we!
In that situation the last thing the Police need is Press overdrive in to a frenzy that put the eventuality of a trial at risk.

Fingers crossed anyway, but I am prepared for a rise in blood pressure just in case as well.

by **tigger** 23.04.12 6:46

558 replies! So far, apparently they're still all on there and Paul Costello is going strong - must have stayed up all night?
Loved Ashwari's theory here that Clarrie must have been taken out of his coffin for damage limitation purposes. Still PC's use of English is far too good for him to be Clarrie.

by **PeterMac** 23.04.12 7:56

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by aiyoyo 23.04.12 9:52

tigger wrote:558 replies! So far, apparently they're still all on there and Paul Costello is going strong - must have stayed up all night?
Loved Ashwari's theory here that Clarrie must have been taken out of his coffin for damage limitation purposes. Still PC's use of English is far too good for him to be Clarrie.

Paul Costello's only supporter is "chinagirl". And Dr David Payne is taking the biscuit by asking people to google Gaspers' statement.

by Woofer 23.04.12 11:53

tigger wrote:558 replies! So far, apparently they're still all on there and Paul Costello is going strong - must have stayed up all night?
Loved Ashwari's theory here that Clarrie must have been taken out of his coffin for damage limitation purposes. Still PC's use of English is far too good for him to be Clarrie.

Whaaaaaaaaaat ! Still there ! - he has been going non-stop for about 18 hours - this confirms he must be a brainwashed robot. OMG how sinister. There`s another couple that always repeat the same old mantras.

by The Slave 23.04.12 12:00

During the height of the insanity on there yesterday I kept nipping in and out. I had to go downstairs a few times to stop myself from punching the screen of my p.c.
paul Castello!!!! What a card.
He was both hilarious and disturbing. A proper full on McCann fanatic with no real answer to any of the queries constantly being put to him.
He must have been exhausted. He was a real McTrooper yesterday.
Wonder if he'll get a special commendation from the sainted duo.
At one point I really began to wonder if Kate and /or Gezza were posting.
It was that intense.
Wonder what on Earth the Radio Times made of it all.
We'll never know but I wish I was a fly on the wall at their offices this morning.!!!

by **tigger** 23.04.12 14:03

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All gone! Whoosh! Clunk!

I'm just having visions of the editor after a relaxing weekend logging in this morning. wft

by The Slave 23.04.12 14:26

Me too! I thought about what the staff must have made of it all when they logged on this morning.
Hope they took screenshots and actually read all the comments.
They'd get a pretty good idea of how many McSceptics there really are .
I wonder what the atmosphere is like in Rothley Towers this morning.
Her ladyship must be hopping mad today.

by aiyoyo 23.04.12 15:32

The Slave wrote:Me too! I thought about what the staff must have made of it all when they logged on this morning.
Hope they took screenshots and actually read all the comments.
They'd get a pretty good idea of how many McSceptics there really are .
I wonder what the atmosphere is like in Rothley Towers this morning.
Her ladyship must be hopping mad today.

Oh damn damn damn...just as i thought of popping over to have a proper look.
I tried to read earlier but had to go out and took in at most two pages, now it whooshed.
How i wished someone had saved all of them. I haven't a clue how to screen cap.

I m pretty certain it is just whooshed from public view but it is still in their archive for their own purpose.

by uppatoffee 23.04.12 15:46

Aiyoyo have a look on the thread on missing Madeleine. On about p16 Pamalam has pasted them all in. Should keep you busy for a while!

by aiyoyo 23.04.12 16:28

uppatoffee wrote:Aiyoyo have a look on the thread on missing Madeleine. On about p16 Pamalam has pasted them all in. Should keep you busy for a while!

Thanks a mil. You are a star!

by aiyoyo 23.04.12 17:12

With acknowledgement and thanks to Pamalam.

Paul Costello

I have never heard such utter rubbish about the case of a missing child. The comments above, I believe, are from a small number of people who are slapping each other on the back in one of the notorious anti-McCann forums on the internet. They are rejoicing in finding another place in which to show their warped view of the parents of missing Madeleine.

What kind of people are these who have commented here with lies and sheer nastiness directed at the parents of Madeleine McCann? And yes I will back up that claim that they are posting lies with the facts to show I am correct.

They are completely ignoring the fact that the Attorney General in the archival report at the end of the Police Investigation in Portugal stated that the parents were NOT guilty of abandoning their children and that there was NO evidence of any crime committed by the parents or the other arguido in the case.

Madeleine's parents have not destroyed the tourist business of the Algarve. The very idea is preposterous. It is a ridiculous lie.

The cadaver dog was not supported in any way by forensics in the case.

The parents have not become millionaires. That is a lie. They have set up a fund which is devoted to the searching for their child and the limitation of damage to the search for their daughter by those profiting from books and booklets which put forward preposterous "theses".

The very idea that Chief Inspector Redwood is only on the programme as part of a PR exercise organised by Clarence Mitchell is ludicrous.

The idea that there should be no inconsistencies in dozens of police statements shows the author of that little gem has not a clue about the reality of complex police investigations.

The amateurish claim that "the hypothesis of an abduction ... does not rationalise the evidence that is in the original police files" completely ignores the evidence from a large number of people that there were strangers hanging around the area, that the apartments had been targeted by thieves shortly before the disappearance, and most significantly that there were WITNESSES who saw a child being carried away from the scene. All of this is in the files. The deliberate ignoring of such clear evidence from the files is typical.

The parents have launched no campaign to bring people down other than those despicable people (newspapers, ex police, stalkers etc.) who have deliberately profited from publishing theories about them and their daughter which are not supported by the evidence in the Police Files.Any normal parent would do the same in the situation. I have followed the Leveson Inquiry and have watched there as the sources of the most bizarre and more importantly wrong theories have been pointed back to leaks from Portugal. No wonder the parents are determined to clear their name and get the search for Madeleine back on track to find what really happened.

I trust that your Panorama programme next Monday will discuss with CI Redwood the current review by Scotland Yard and the Policia Judiciara in a full and frank way, showing the way in which the Review is picking up on the best and worst of past investigations and showing how they are moving forward with the hope of discovering what precisely happened to Madeleine McCann in 2007 and a real conclusion to the case.

I truly despair when I read the kind of thing I have read in some of these comments from people who spend hours daily on forums (and have done for years) applauding each other for their hateful comments about this family who suffered the trauma of the loss of their daughter. They are acting like a lynch mob, using their amateurish reading of badly translated files to pronounce that they know what happened. They don't. Only the person or persons directly involved know that And I hope your programme will make that clear.

He hadn't said one word about evidence to support the abduction theory.
All in all it was very personal, as if this Paul Costello is from mccanns HQs, and has a bone to pick with certain forum.

He was SO bothered by the "minority" that he burst his lung and a few blood vessels to defend mccanns to the hilt, selective of the data in the files. Forgetting that it was kate who refused to answer questions and that the couple fled home with tail between their legs as soon as they became "suspects".

If he'd followed LI closely as he claimed, he couldnt have missed the mccanns lied under oath when they said "arguido" means "person of interest" when kate state explicitly in her bewk that "arguido" means "suspect". Not forgetting gerry also said at LI that he believes in freedom of speech and that people are free "to purport" theories.

I wonder who are the witnesses who saw the abductor he was refering to?
Apart from JT's sighting which mccanns gave credit to, they showed absolutely no interest in knowing about Smithy sighting. Far as I know they'd never asked the police to follow up on smithy's sighting.

Oh dear, when he said "Only the person or persons directly involved know that", he has hit the nerve centre there, and while still in his roaring bull furiousness didnt realise he has tripped up.

Oh dearie me, no wonder the entire comments were whooshed lock stock and barrel.
Paul Costello must have complained because his heart threatens to collapse from seeing so many truthseekers adamant for Justice for Madeleine.

by **PeterMac** 23.04.12 19:30

candyfloss wrote:About this programme
Five years ago this week, Madeleine McCann disappeared from a family holiday apartment in the Algarve, Portugal, and has never been found. Her parents, Kate and Gerry, are adamant that their daughter was abducted by a predator and persuaded Prime Minister David Cameron to order a review of the case by the Metropolitan Police. Here, the senior UK investigator talks to Richard Bilton about how he is working collaboratively with Portuguese police and explains why he believes he has the best opportunity yet to establish the facts.
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The Sky version, if you select the programme and press the information button is
"The senior UK investigator in the Madeleine Mccanns case speak about why he believes he may be able to explain her disappearance."

Establish the facts - v - explain her disappearance

Not one mention of the "A" word.

by Woofer 23.04.12 22:48

Somewhere amongst last night`s conflab Costello said there were plenty of witnesses to the abduction, Don Reed challenged him saying there was only one who had been shown to be unreliable and also happened to be a friend of the McCanns, so could hardly be called solid evidence. Costello came back saying there were at least 5 including people who had seen suspicious people lurking outside. He later came back answering someone else saying there were 15 independent witnesses to the abduction.

His whole manner of writing is weird - if you notice he doesn`t use abbreviations like it`s or I`m or isn`t or doesn`t but always writes in full as if it`s automated speech or almost like a robot talking. He also, apart from a couple of occassions when he spouted off an obviously prepared speech, merely answers by asking more questions, thus avoiding answering questions. This is a learnt technique specifically to wind people up and win arguments. I`ve seen it before in cult organisations, particularly in Scientology (see Panorama - The Secrets of Scientology Part 2 of 4 on Youtube [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] ).

Carter Ruck are the lawyers for the Scientology Cult. Also Amazon refused to sell a book that was critical of Scientology and this put me in mind of what happened to Pat Brown.

by littlepixie 23.04.12 23:25

Mr Castello sounds very much like the tweeter Greenink who calls everybody "silly" all the time. I always thought they were very close to McCann HQ.

by david_uk 24.04.12 9:04

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by OpenMind 24.04.12 10:46

At the end of last night's panorama I found myself shouting at the TV. The trailer for the MBM programme next week finished with words something like "...last chance to find out what happened to her, OR EVEN TO FIND HER!!!!" Have just about calmed down now, but may need some valium in order to watch it. Was hoping a for a truthful, balanced argument but now thinking it's just going to be a typical McWhitewash aaaah

by **Nina** 24.04.12 10:59

OpenMind wrote:At the end of last night's panorama I found myself shouting at the TV. The trailer for the MBM programme next week finished with words something like "...last chance to find out what happened to her, OR EVEN TO FIND HER!!!!" Have just about calmed down now, but may need some valium in order to watch it. Was hoping a for a truthful, balanced argument but now thinking it's just going to be a typical McWhitewash

Hi Openmind, know how you feel. Imo this is the start of the end of the story, the epilogue. The first coat of a number of coats of whitewash. This is how it is now advertised on the forward planner...............
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...Panorama. Current affairs. The senior UK investigator in the Madeleine McCann case speaks about how he believes he may be able to explain her disappearance. Also in HD. End quote.

Should he be explaining anything at all at this stage? Yes the first coat of many imo. And official.

by espeland 24.04.12 11:10

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Madeleine: The Last Hope?

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Five
years ago this week, Madeleine McCann disappeared from a family holiday
apartment in the Algarve, Portugal. Why has the little girl, aged three
when she went missing, never been found? Madeleine's parents, Kate and
Gerry McCann, are adamant that their daughter was abducted by a
predator. Frustrated by Portuguese police and public opinion that viewed
them with suspicion, Madeleine's parents persuaded prime minister David
Cameron to order a review of the case. Is this new investigation, by a
top unit of the Metropolitan Police, the last chance of discovering what
happened? For the first time, the senior UK investigator tells Panorama
how he is working collaboratively with Portuguese police and explains
why he believes he has the best opportunity yet to help solve the
mystery of Madeleine McCann. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

I see no McCann whitewash here and am looking forward to a programme which I too see as "the start of the end of the story" but with a different ending to that expected by Nina.

The McCanns probably heard this programme was being prepared some weeks ago. If they thought the programme was a whitewash I imagine they would want to add something in, for example, a statement to mark the anniversary. Instead, they announced that no comment would be made on the anniversary.

by david_uk 24.04.12 11:11

Having re-watched the last Panorama, I am certain this is the undercoat! Prepare for whiter than white Mccanns on Mcspin setting max!.

by Guest 24.04.12 13:40

I am doing my best not to prejudge the merits of the programme but it is hard not to be pessimistic. I am thinking of the standard responses sent by the BBC to people who complained about the Jeremy Vine show which featured Nina Myscow. They weren't rude but the complaints were all summarily dismissed so I cannot imagine that anything will have changed the official view that the abduction is set in stone and cannot be negotiated.

By the way, sometimes the topics in Panorama change at short notice if something else crops up so it's not certain that the programme will be shown on Monday.

by WOODWARD 24.04.12 14:46

Not all policemen,especially those at an operational rather than supervisory level are crooks. If it is indeed true, as was claimed at the start of the SY review , that most of the officers were approaching retirement and that retirement would be postponed rather than diverting valuable resources from other investigations then it follows that all they have to lose by refusing to tow a preordained line is their pensions. Once their pensions have been secured ,there would be nothing to stop them leaking information IF they were instructed to ignore all evidence implicating the sainted ones. Mobiles set to "record" chaps. keep copies of all e-mails you have been instructed to destroy otherwise you risk being thrown under a bus just like the colleague who has been designated fall-guy for the hackgate cover-up. It would be extraordinarily naive of DCI Redmond to believe that he wouldnt be thrown to the wolves in the event of an investigation into his investigation,the policemen involved in the Daniel Morgan murder cover-up thought they were untouchable - er wrong! I look forward to a thorough, objective Panorama programme which cannot fail to address Eddie and Keela and why they should only give "unreliable" and "inconclusive" alerts around mccann related places and be perfectly reliable and conclusively accurate everywhere else..including everywhere else they were deployed in PDL.

by **PeterMac** 24.04.12 14:54

Quite.

by friedtomatoes 24.04.12 15:02

Hello all.

I am looking forward to this programme, whatever might be contained in it. No doubt it will be reported on in the papers the next day and it will be interesting to see the general public's reaction in any comments.

by Guest 24.04.12 15:06

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It will be interesting to see how many McCann sceptic comments last anywhere (other than on this forum) for longer than five minutes.....

Madeleine: The Last Hope? - Panorama UPDATED 7.30 25th April (only certain areas) and 8.30 pm Mon 30th April 2012