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9/ll conspiracy theories: How they've evolved

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Post by aquila on 11.06.13 10:18

I am one of the sheeples and until recently I've accepted 9/11 as true. I've never even thought to question its authenticity. Perhaps it's because I don't want to believe that such evil exists. I am always willing to say 'tut....conspiracy theories...tut' but there is now a conscious part of me, nagging me to see that such evil can and possibly does exist on an unimaginable scale for an ordinary person such as myself to comprehend. I still don't want to believe it - like a child sticking my fingers in my ears and singing 'I can't hear you'.
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Post by Guest on 11.06.13 10:23

That's the way I feel too - about not wanting to think that such evil exists.

Much as I would like to believe the official stories of 9/11 and 7/7, it's impossible to do so when faced with the evidence that they cannot be true.

They aren't the only well-publicised story that comes into that category of course.

I'm just watching the video link "9/11 in plane site" - very interesting.
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Post by Guest on 11.06.13 13:13

Some good information on the video about the crash at the Pentagon and the comparatively unreported one in a field in Pennsylvania. I didn't know that there was a news story (quickly whooshed) that the last plane had landed safely after reports of a bomb on board.

In both cases there was nothing found of either the planes or their passengers. I accept that sadly there wouldn't be much left of the latter but for the planes themselves to disintegrate totally is I believe totally impossible.
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Post by jd on 12.06.13 13:01

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Some good information on the video about the crash at the Pentagon and the comparatively unreported one in a field in Pennsylvania. I didn't know that there was a news story (quickly whooshed) that the last plane had landed safely after reports of a bomb on board.

In both cases there was nothing found of either the planes or their passengers. I accept that sadly there wouldn't be much left of the latter but for the planes themselves to disintegrate totally is I believe totally impossible.




This is an interesting summary of Flight 93 - The 9/11 Passenger Paradox: What happened to Flight  93

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I'd never really believed the theory of digital planes being used for the images we saw of the planes crashing into the towers. But looking into this more deeply, I must say there is a real case for it. When I think about it, there are only a few select 'live' photos of the 2nd plane hitting the tower and it does seem to be very media controlled. Plus the images are not consistent, as in some buildings have moved, or disappeared, crystal blue skies, foggy looking skies, or even Manhatten skyline disappears on Fox News "real time" footage! Clearly there is a big manipulation of the images and its only when you look at them closely and compare that you realise it


This video is a great illustration of how easy creating a plane hitting can be done with the footage that CNN broadcasted

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When a jet plane crashes in the real world they explode upon impact and break apart. They do not seamlessly glide into a steel and reinforced concrete building without a spark or bent wing tip. CNN credited the well know video footage of United Flight 175 crashing into the World Trade Center South Tower to California diamond merchant Michael Hezarkhani


Also, when comparing images of the 2nd plane hitting, you can see many many discrepancies. Here are a few samples, look at things like the buildings around (that are there or disappeared for example), the level of smoke (some covers just the top of the towers, some is half way down the tower), distance apart or close together of the towers etc. The fact there is no continuity in actuality should make people raise questions on what we are being shown

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Post by tigger on 12.06.13 14:06

Another thing I hear so little about is plane nr. 1. 

Nobody saw a plane. There are no records of people hearing a plane approach as far as I know (although suggestion can do a lot in that direction). 

I've not seen any suggestion yet - ( expect there is plenty on this) that the first 'plane' was simply a well-placed explosion. This would also allow for a plane-shaped hole to appear as and where needed.

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Post by Guest on 12.06.13 14:26

Tigger, there was no "live" coverage of plane 1 but it was caught on film by a French film crew and released the next day, I think.
 
Interestingly, the documentary which was being made about a New York fire station was shown in full some time later and fire crews were seen arriving at the tower within minutes. Bearing in mind that the point of impact of the plane was some 80 floors up, the ground floor reception area looked - literally - as if a bomb had hit it.
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Post by tigger on 12.06.13 17:06

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Tigger, there was no "live" coverage of plane 1 but it was caught on film by a French film crew and released the next day, I think.
 
Interestingly, the documentary which was being made about a New York fire station was shown in full some time later and fire crews were seen arriving at the tower within minutes. Bearing in mind that the point of impact of the plane was some 80 floors up, the ground floor reception area looked - literally - as if a bomb had hit it.





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This is the very clip from that film. The noise heard is more like that of a missile, not an aircraft as the speed is too high. But there is absolute no capture of a plane or missile hitting the building. 
Noise not like an airplane and definitely not an airplane on the basis of the big hole in the building. Against the laws of physics. Aluminium does not penetrate a steel-framed building. 

So either a missile or an explosion is my take on it. Same shape of 'entry' hole as in the South Tower.

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Post by Guest on 12.06.13 20:24

Here is a link to the entire film from the Naudet brothers.
 
http://www.firecritic.com/2009/09/19/911-naudet-film-in-its-entirety-online/
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Post by jd on 13.06.13 17:09

Tony Farrell is a former Intelligence Analyst for the South Yorkshire Police Department. He was fired in 2010 because he felt compelled by his conscience to tell the truth in his official report and state that, due to his extensive analysis of the events of 9/11 and the 7/7 London bombings, he considered that the greatest terrorist threat to the public did not come from Islamic extremists but from internal sources within the US and British establishment. He is now dedicating his life to helping to expose the evidence and he is challenging his dismissal through international court.

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7/7 ‘was a plot by the Govt’

COPS are being sued by an intelligence chief they sacked — over a dossier accusing the GOVERNMENT of being behind the 7/7 bombings

Mr Farrell, a £35,000-a-year civilian worker for South Yorkshire Police, was sacked after he refused to get his mental state checked by a doctor


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Infowars.com speaks with former South Yorkshire Police's Principal Intelligence Analyst, Tony Farrell, who was dismissed from duty because his own strategic threat assessment on UK terrorism did not match the government's narrative, particularly regarding the 7-7 Bombings in 2005....Sacked for doing his job!


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Post by jd on 13.06.13 17:16

April Gallop Tells What Happened at the Pentagon on 9/11

When April Gallop exited the Pentagon and came out into the area of the alleged plane’s impact, she saw no steel, luggage, human remains, etc. She had no jet fuel on her body and there was nothing else that would indicate that a plane had crashed there.

She spoke to everyone who had been in that area and no one else saw any evidence of a plane either. She considers the official story is fabricated and that those who are “selling” it should be brought to justice.  She considers the perpetrators of 9/11 as having brought innocent lambs to slaughter and that the patriotic act is not to line up behind the perpetrators but to bring them to justice.


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You want to play in the back yard, son?” April Gallop says to the lanky 10-year-old tailing her on the front walk of a neat frame house in a Richmond suburb. “You go around; I’ll be right there.”

Elisha Gallop wears a straw hat and flip-flops in the heat of a July afternoon. He gives his mom a smile and runs to lift a heavy padlock from a side gate. The half-finished fence, being built by volunteers, remains open at the rear; anyone could walk in. But she still craves the reassuring click of a solid padlock.

“I won’t let him outside by himself,” Gallop says in a low voice, looking down the street. A woman walks her dog across the way, not glancing over, not giving a neighborly wave. “There have been some comments.”

Gallop leans against her car, a cherry-red BMW with a license plate that reads “A OVRCMER” and a fuel door that is slightly ajar.

Now who’s been messing with this?” she murmurs, pushing it closed, scanning the yard again.

A “No Trespassing” sign is tucked into a trellis. Another is planted by the door. A third, askew between the glass and the closed blinds of a front window, warns that the property is under video surveillance. On a tidy, sunny block, it’s a house in a defensive crouch.

Gallop leans against the car and pulls papers from an envelope that a Chesterfield County deputy sheriff hand-delivered a few hours earlier. It’s another threat from the landlord.

“Why is this happening?” she asks.

The lease payments are up to date, paid during the past six years by a Pentagon Sept. 11 survivors’ fund. She thought she was renting to own, but now the property owner wants the house back. Gallop has an appointment with a lawyer the next morning. A new one. Is this the sixth or the seventh? It’s hard to remember all the lawsuits filed, the claims denied, the appeals that go ’round and ’round.

“Evidently he has formed some kind of opinion about me,” she says of the owner.

Maybe he’s like the neighbor who spit on her driveway a few months ago as Gallop hustled back behind the lowered blinds, away from the growing wariness of the neighborhood, ignoring the invitation to explain her “un-American” views and this business of Gallop v. Cheney.

“I think they Googled ‘April Gallop’ and didn’t like what they saw,” she says.

Ten years ago, there was no contrail of derision attached to her name. That was before she had fought with government agencies and private charities and school systems and she hadn’t yet sued airlines and banks and Osama bin Laden and the highest officials in the United States.

Before she had formally accused her government of making up that story about an airliner crashing into her Pentagon office.

She holds up her hands.

“All I’m doing is asking questions. When you walk out barefoot and you don’t step on any plane parts. . . .”

The hands come down, tired.

“Lord, help me make sense of this.”

Things stopped making sense on that brilliant September morning just as she pushed the button on her computer to start the day. In that moment, everything secure and understandable in the world fell on her head in a deafening avalanche of ceiling tiles and body parts.

She doesn’t know how long she was out. “Oh my God, am I in hell?” she wondered as her eyes strained to decipher the jagged heaps of wallboard and office furniture, the computers spitting sparks, the legs and arms sprouting bizarrely from the debris, some waving for help, others crazy-broken and still.

The sound was as demonic as the scene, a sustained wail of agony and panic. And then beneath that, muffled and weak, she heard . . . what? . . . a baby? “Oh my God, is there a baby in hell?” she asked.

A baby. Elisha.

On her first day back from maternity leave, her boss had asked the new single mother to come straight to the office, newborn and all. Just handle a bit of urgent paperwork and then take little Elisha Zion to the Pentagon day-care center.

He had been sleeping in his stroller next to her desk.

She pushed through the crust of chairs and cabinets and the pain that felt like hammers pounding her skull and spine. Others were upright now, shouting, shoving rubble away from the loudest screams. She tried to help. The only light was a flare of gritty sun from a hole high above the mountains of debris.

Finally she found the place where the feeble cry was the clearest. She reached into the rubble, shouldered aside rocks of concrete and felt cotton on her fingertips. She pulled out her 10-week-old son by his onesie.

“Elisha,” she calls into the back yard. His hat pops over the edge of the playground set that the VFW volunteers brought a few years ago. She calls them “my angels,” folks who still think of her simply as a hallowed Sept. 11 survivor, her son as a miracle baby.

The boy comes up. “Yes, ma’am?”

“Let’s go see if they’ve picked the squash. Lock the gates now.”

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Post by EJW on 13.06.13 21:37

Im glad this topic has been brought up, as its something I've followed for many years. From the early theories of loose change.com, almost from the sublime to the ridiculous. I have never been a believer of the hologram theory or the abduction and name changing/ witness protection of the Flight 93  passengers, who purportedly landed in Kansa and were given new identities. 




 I firmly believe that people died in the twin towers, i personally lts 3 work colleagues in the tragedy so i am in no doubt that people died.


I do not believe that his was a crime committed by an inexperienced bunch of Muslim fanatics with minimal flig training, nor do i believe that a passenger jet crashed into the pentagon. I also believe that Flight 93 was shot down by a missile. 


I do not really believe that victims were computer generated images, due to the fact that i had worked wih 3 victims.


It is very hard to get to grips with all of the information. I have visited Ground Zero  and it is devastating and quite the saddest place I have ever been.


To add, veterans today as been mentioned on here and many if their contributors do not believe April Gallp.
They also believe that 911 truth movement is also a tool of disinformation. 


JD i love the enthusiasm you have for this  and the sandy hook and Boston moving topics, particularly as you have said you are relatively knew to his area. Dont get sucked into everything you read. David Ray Griffin is very contentious but worth a read.  :-)

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Post by EJW on 13.06.13 21:38

this post is a bit all over the place, having problems posting for one reason, formatting all out!

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Sorry guys formatting is all over the place and spelling, very hard to post on here ( technically ) at the mo

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Post by Guest on 13.06.13 22:25

There can be no doubt that people died in this dreadful event - and I don't wish to denigrate them or their families in any way.

The problem is with the official story - it just can't have happened that way.
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Post by EJW on 13.06.13 22:30

Totally agree jean, it could never have happened in this way, some pilots from a Florida small plane training centre, training to fly cesna's then commandeering a 747, ridiculous. No way in the world

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Post by jd on 14.06.13 1:15

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Im glad this topic has been brought up, as its something I've followed for many years. From the early theories of loose change.com, almost from the sublime to the ridiculous. I have never been a believer of the hologram theory or the abduction and name changing/ witness protection of the Flight 93  passengers, who purportedly landed in Kansa and were given new identities. 




 I firmly believe that people died in the twin towers, i personally lts 3 work colleagues in the tragedy so i am in no doubt that people died.


I do not believe that his was a crime committed by an inexperienced bunch of Muslim fanatics with minimal flig training, nor do i believe that a passenger jet crashed into the pentagon. I also believe that Flight 93 was shot down by a missile. 


I do not really believe that victims were computer generated images, due to the fact that i had worked wih 3 victims.


It is very hard to get to grips with all of the information. I have visited Ground Zero  and it is devastating and quite the saddest place I have ever been.


To add, veterans today as been mentioned on here and many if their contributors do not believe April Gallp.
They also believe that 911 truth movement is also a tool of disinformation. 


JD i love the enthusiasm you have for this  and the sandy hook and Boston moving topics, particularly as you have said you are relatively knew to his area. Dont get sucked into everything you read. David Ray Griffin is very contentious but worth a read.  :-)



Yes people did sadly die in both 9/11 and 7/7....But in the case of 9/11 it was no where near 3000, I would put it more a few hundred. I'd say that in 7/7 most of the 52 were genuine (you can't escape 3 bombs blasting from under the carriage, official inquiry report), but the ones in the media and their stories are not genuine. This is how they sell it

The same with Sandy Hook...The ones we hear all the stories about and their fake crying, actors et al, are false and on the top surface level to sell the story...But beneath this, there are genuine ones who have really suffered which we do not hear about at all. Its all about selling their agenda to the unsuspecting public. I understand it

What I can say in all these events are 3 things

1) Nothing ever in anything I have ever come across has the facts proven overwhelmingly, that all these atrocities are for the NWO order idealogy. Its unquestioned

2) In all these atrocities, there has only been ONE single consistent factor. This is that our governments/secret services were carrying out a mock drill of the very same event at the very same time. The alleged "terrorist' has been different, from Islam to home grown, but the consistent factor has been our governments/secret services in all of them....You cannot deny this if you want to know the truth

3) There has never been any real evidence of the the official story. Its just all words but NOTHING that ever supports it. For example, the pentagon, the US government has about 60 videos they confiscated but none of them have ever been released, if it were true why was not one single one of them released to prove and also shut the doubters up?..Answer - because they don't have a plane hitting the Pentagon because it never happened. The only evidence goes against the official story (and very strongly), and people who were willing to speak up have all died in one way or another. On top, the governments stalling in Inquiries. If a crime had been committed and they were on our side of humanity, then they would be investigating...But they don't!

Why is Dunblane under 100 secrecy law? Why have they just passed Sandy Hook under secrecy law? Why did the FBI appeal to the public in Boston to identify who they said were the bombers, when they knew exactly who they were all along! I didn't see it before, but once you see it you don't need to be an Einstein to figure out what is really happening

Despite all these atrocities, which are manufactured to pass the laws they need to for the NWO, like getting rid of 2nd Amendment, being able to snoop on anything they like which they will change the rules to suit them in future, close down all sites who are communicating the real truth...We are consumed in the mind with so called terror events, reality Tv, sport etc but very quietly underneath is the real horror....The 2 most critical problems we face are, and these are really critical...

1) Chemtrails - which they are spraying in all our cities across the world every single day. When asked what they spraying, they go into total silence or they silence you. We have a right to know what the hell it is they are spraying on us every single day. What we can glean is that many people suffer from prolonged colds, chest infections, cancer rates up. Funny that during Bilderberg the weather was fantastic & chemtrails had but stopped, but now back to the rain and cold again and chemtrails spraying like crazy again. Read up on the aluminium they are spraying and the 2 other chemicals that is disastrous to life. Why are there so many dead fish, birds etc. Why do they go into silence when challenged what it is they are spraying on us? If it was for the good humanity then there would be no need to be silent and they would just tell us what it is and why

2) Monsanto - Soon to take 90% of our worlds food supply with GM crops. In the States, a law was passed so that nobody can ever challenge them on whatever they do...is this really in the interests of humanity?

A little bit of history of Monsanto


In 1967, Monsanto entered into a joint venture with IG Farben. (The) German chemical firm that was the financial core of the Hitler regime, and was the main supplier of Zyklon-B to the German government during the extermination phase of the Holocaust."
IG Farben was not dissolved until 2003.[9] See also pharmaceutical industry. Monsanto was the creator of several attractions in Disney's Tommorrowland. Often they revolved around the the virtues of chemicals and plastics. Their "House of the Future" was constructed entirely of plastic, but biodegradable it was not
Less well known is that Monsanto was heavily involved in the creation of the first nuclear bomb for the Manhattan Project during WWII via its facilities in Dayton, Ohio. The Dayton Project was headed by Charlie Thomas, Director of Monsanto's Central Research Department. He later became the company's president.[5][6] Monsanto also operated a nuclear facility for the federal government in Miamisburg, Ohio, called the Mound Project, until the 1980s
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There is much much more....They are making the Bees extinct...Bees contribute to 70% of the worlds food supply which is UN official report. Without Bees to pollinate, whats left? Not much...



One example...The Illinois Ag Dept. illegally seized privately owned bees from renowned naturalist, Terrence Ingram, without providing him with a search warrant and before the court hearing on the matter, reports Prairie Advocate News.

Behind the obvious violations of his Constitutional rights is Monsanto. Ingram was researching Roundup’s effects on bees, which he’s raised for 58 years. “They ruined 15 years of my research,” he told Prairie Advocate, by stealing most of his stock.

A certified letter from the Ag Dept.’s Apiary Inspection Supervisor, Steven D. Chard, stated:

“During a routine inspection of your honeybee colonies by … Inspectors Susan Kivikko and Eleanor Balson on October 23, 2011, the bacterial disease ‘American Foulbrood’ was detected in a number of colonies located behind your house…. Presence of the disease in some of your colonies was confirmed via test results from the USDA Bee Research Laboratory in Beltsville, Maryland that analyzed samples collected from your apiary….”

Ingram can prove his bees did not have foulbrood, and planned to do so at a hearing set in April, but the state seized his bees at the end of March. They have not returned them and no one at the Ag Dept. seems to know where his bees are.

The bees could have been destroyed, or they could have been turned over to Monsanto to ascertain why some of his bees are resistant to Roundup. Without the bees as evidence, Ingram simply cannot defend against the phony charges of foulbrood.

Worse, all his queens died after Kivikko and Balson “inspected” his property, outside of his presence and without a warrant.

Of note, Illinois beekeepers are going underground after Ingram’s experience and refuse to register their hives, in case the state tries to steal their private property on phony claims.

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Instead of preserving them knowing how vital they are, why are they doing everything to make them extinct??? This goes against humanity

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One more thing...Next week the UK government are going to announce its total support for GM crops........



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Britain is to push the European Union to relax restrictions on the licensing of genetically modified crops for human consumption amid growing scientific evidence that they are safe rotfl, and surveys showing they are supported by farmers.rotfl The Environment Secretary, Owen Paterson, is expected to use a speech next week to outline the start of a new government approach to GM to ensure Britain “is not left behind” in agricultural science.

The move comes as 61 per cent rotfl of UK farmers now say they would like to grow GM crops after a disastrous 12-month cycle of poor weather that is expected significantly to reduce harvest yields. Senior government officials said that ministers are increasingly concerned that the potential moral and ethical benefits of GM are being ignored by costly and bureaucratic licensing regulations.

With one-twelfth of global arable land under GM cultivation they have privately warned that Britain faces being left behind in an important technology that has the potential to improve crop yields, help the UK’s agricultural industry and provide benefits to human health through vitamin fortification.

Government "sources" added that GM also had applications beyond food including the potential to combat diseases such as ash dieback and in developing new medicines.rotfl

“The point about GM is not simply about food production,” they said. “There are wider potential environmental and economic benefits to the technology both in the UK and internationally. rotfl

“What we want to do is start a dialogue within Europe on GM based upon the science.”
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The shocking minutes relating to President Putin’s meeting this past week with US Secretary of State John Kerry reveal the Russian leaders “extreme outrage” over the Obama regimes continued protection of global seed and plant bio-genetic giants Syngenta and Monsanto in the face of a growing “bee apocalypse” that the Kremlin warns “will most certainly” lead to world war.

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Bees have been battling bad weather, loss of habitat and possible pesticide effects but now keepers are facing a new threat - bee-rustling. 

Cardiff beekeeper Elaine Spence found one her hives stripped of its honey bee colony in March.

She said she knows of 10 other hives being stolen in the past year by people who need expert knowledge to do it.

BBC Wales' Eye on Wales programme has found a number of hive theft cases although no officials figures are kept.

Ms Spence estimates a colony of bees could sell for more than £200.

She tells the the current affairs programme of her devastation to discover the theft of one of her colonies. 


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Post by EJW on 14.06.13 18:47

Don't worry JD you're preaching to the converted, as it were. Im with you on this :-)

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Don't worry JD you're preaching to the converted, as it were. Im with you on this :-)

Look at those lovely chemtrails in the sky they are staying upon us! I see them every time we have rare blue sky days, especially in the mornings

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Re: 9/ll conspiracy theories: How they've evolved

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Huffington Post censors anyone who questions 9/11

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Democracy and freedom of expression at its Western best! big grin

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Post by jd on 20.06.13 15:46

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:One more thing...Next week the UK government are going to announce its total support for GM crops........



UK Pushes Europe to Embrace GM Crops

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Britain is to push the European Union to relax restrictions on the licensing of genetically modified crops for human consumption amid growing scientific evidence that they are safe rotfl, and surveys showing they are supported by farmers.rotfl The Environment Secretary, Owen Paterson, is expected to use a speech next week to outline the start of a new government approach to GM to ensure Britain “is not left behind” in agricultural science.

The move comes as 61 per cent rotfl of UK farmers now say they would like to grow GM crops after a disastrous 12-month cycle of poor weather that is expected significantly to reduce harvest yields. Senior government officials said that ministers are increasingly concerned that the potential moral and ethical benefits of GM are being ignored by costly and bureaucratic licensing regulations.

With one-twelfth of global arable land under GM cultivation they have privately warned that Britain faces being left behind in an important technology that has the potential to improve crop yields, help the UK’s agricultural industry and provide benefits to human health through vitamin fortification.

Government "sources" added that GM also had applications beyond food including the potential to combat diseases such as ash dieback and in developing new medicines.rotfl

“The point about GM is not simply about food production,” they said. “There are wider potential environmental and economic benefits to the technology both in the UK and internationally. rotfl

“What we want to do is start a dialogue within Europe on GM based upon the science.”
Owen Paterson

Married to Rose Ridley, sister of [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].

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Cold Spring Lab are the main protagonists in the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
and are funded by [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] who are in turn owned by Dupont. Hi-bred specialise in high bred corn seeds. Pioneer makes and sells hybrid seed and genetically modified seed, some of which goes on to become genetically modified food.
Russia Warns Obama: Monsanto

The shocking minutes relating to President Putin’s meeting this past week with US Secretary of State John Kerry reveal the Russian leaders “extreme outrage” over the Obama regimes continued protection of global seed and plant bio-genetic giants Syngenta and Monsanto in the face of a growing “bee apocalypse” that the Kremlin warns “will most certainly” lead to world war.

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Bees have been battling bad weather, loss of habitat and possible pesticide effects but now keepers are facing a new threat - bee-rustling. 

Cardiff beekeeper Elaine Spence found one her hives stripped of its honey bee colony in March.

She said she knows of 10 other hives being stolen in the past year by people who need expert knowledge to do it.

BBC Wales' Eye on Wales programme has found a number of hive theft cases although no officials figures are kept.

Ms Spence estimates a colony of bees could sell for more than £200.

She tells the the current affairs programme of her devastation to discover the theft of one of her colonies. 


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Downing Street has refused to say whether David Cameron would eat genetically-modified food or feed it to his family, despite being asked about its safety eight times

DAVID CAMERON'S SPOKESMAN REFUSES EIGHT TIMES TO SAY GM FOOD IS SAFE

1) Asked whether the Prime Minister is relaxed about eating GM food, his official spokesman said: "As the Prime Minister was saying last week, it's time to have a good look again at the issue of GM food. In this area, all decisions, rightly, will be taken in line with the latest independent scientific advice."

2) Asked whether the Prime Minister would serve it to his family, he said: "I know why the questions are asked this way. In this area, I've been very clear all decisions around that type of issue will be based on the latest independent scientific advice."

3) Asked why Downing Street will not tell us whether the Prime Minister would he eat GM food, he said: "The wider issue is around ensuring food safety. It's absolutely right every shopper, whoever, they are, can have confidence. That is why decisions in this area are based on the very latest scientific advice, so that every every shopper can have confidence."

4) Asked whether the Prime Minister shares the confidence of Owen Paterson this is safe to eat, he said: "We have very clear processes based on science to make sure food is safe. On the issue of GM food, the Prime Minister very clearly says it is important to look again and GM offers real opportunities."

5) Asked whether it fair to say the PM hasnt made up his mind about whether he would eat GM food, he said: "The point around is this that... there are clear regulatory structures so consumers whoever they are can have confidence in what they buy. The issue is around how we can open up the discussion around the potential benefits of GM to ensure the EU is not left behind in this area. As I say, it's very clear safeguarding health is always the top priority in these types of decisions and that's why they are always based on the latest scientific advice.

6) Asked why he will not reveal the Prime Minister's view on the safety of GM food when Owen Paterson says it is fine, he said: "I'm making the point that applications for trials with regard to GM food are rightly made on a case by case basis and should continue to be made in the future in line with the latest scientific and independent advice. The Secretary of State is saying there is no credible basis for the argument that is sometimes made that GM crops are inherently unsafe. But it's right to keep reassuring people, actually, that the decisions will continue to be made on the best scientific evidence."

7) Asked why the Prime Minister won't tell us if he eats it himself, he said: "Rather than going into the PM's shopping basket I've made the point that shoppers, whoever they are, can have confidence in the food that is on sale because we have these stringent regulatory structures."

8) Asked why the Prime Minister won't be absolutely unequivocal that GM food is safe, he said: "I've said the Government's view is that there's no credible basis for an argument that GM crops are inherently unsafe. It is also right that we look at GM products on a case by case basis."

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Britain faces a wave of deadly new animal and plant diseases that threaten to wipe out crops and livestock as a direct result of global warming, the World Bank's top agricultural expert has warned
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Bill Gates donates £6.4m grant to British scientists for GM  crops in one of the largest single investments to project
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CIMMYT: Bill Gates Invests $25 Million In Controversial GM Crop Center
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Bill Gates Dodges Questions on Why He Owns 500,000 Shares of Monsanto
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Monsanto was one of the principal companies to supply Agent Orange to the U.S. government during the Vietnam War. Agent Orange is a defoliant that was used in Vietnam between 1962 and 1971 to "clear vegetation around military bases and obliterate hiding places and rice paddies used by the Viet Cong."[12] It is made from two herbicide compounds, 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T, and releases dioxin as a byproduct of the manufacturing process that becomes contained within 2,4,5-T (and in some instances in 2,4-D).[12] Dioxin is highly carcinogenic and one of the most dangerous chemicals known to man.[12]
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...Its called Agenda 21...and its coming very quickly now

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Re: 9/ll conspiracy theories: How they've evolved

Post by rainbow-fairy on 20.06.13 23:47

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:One more thing...Next week the UK government are going to announce its total support for GM crops........



UK Pushes Europe to Embrace GM Crops

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Britain is to push the European Union to relax restrictions on the licensing of genetically modified crops for human consumption amid growing scientific evidence that they are safe rotfl, and surveys showing they are supported by farmers.rotfl The Environment Secretary, Owen Paterson, is expected to use a speech next week to outline the start of a new government approach to GM to ensure Britain “is not left behind” in agricultural science.

The move comes as 61 per cent rotfl of UK farmers now say they would like to grow GM crops after a disastrous 12-month cycle of poor weather that is expected significantly to reduce harvest yields. Senior government officials said that ministers are increasingly concerned that the potential moral and ethical benefits of GM are being ignored by costly and bureaucratic licensing regulations.

With one-twelfth of global arable land under GM cultivation they have privately warned that Britain faces being left behind in an important technology that has the potential to improve crop yields, help the UK’s agricultural industry and provide benefits to human health through vitamin fortification.

Government "sources" added that GM also had applications beyond food including the potential to combat diseases such as ash dieback and in developing new medicines.rotfl

“The point about GM is not simply about food production,” they said. “There are wider potential environmental and economic benefits to the technology both in the UK and internationally. rotfl

“What we want to do is start a dialogue within Europe on GM based upon the science.”
Owen Paterson

Married to Rose Ridley, sister of [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].

Matt Ridley is a genetic scientist. Visiting professor at [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]where they study plant genetics. 
Cold Spring Lab are the main protagonists in the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
and are funded by [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] who are in turn owned by Dupont. Hi-bred specialise in high bred corn seeds. Pioneer makes and sells hybrid seed and genetically modified seed, some of which goes on to become genetically modified food.
Russia Warns Obama: Monsanto

The shocking minutes relating to President Putin’s meeting this past week with US Secretary of State John Kerry reveal the Russian leaders “extreme outrage” over the Obama regimes continued protection of global seed and plant bio-genetic giants Syngenta and Monsanto in the face of a growing “bee apocalypse” that the Kremlin warns “will most certainly” lead to world war.

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Bees have been battling bad weather, loss of habitat and possible pesticide effects but now keepers are facing a new threat - bee-rustling. 

Cardiff beekeeper Elaine Spence found one her hives stripped of its honey bee colony in March.

She said she knows of 10 other hives being stolen in the past year by people who need expert knowledge to do it.

BBC Wales' Eye on Wales programme has found a number of hive theft cases although no officials figures are kept.

Ms Spence estimates a colony of bees could sell for more than £200.

She tells the the current affairs programme of her devastation to discover the theft of one of her colonies. 


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Downing Street has refused to say whether David Cameron would eat genetically-modified food or feed it to his family, despite being asked about its safety eight times

DAVID CAMERON'S SPOKESMAN REFUSES EIGHT TIMES TO SAY GM FOOD IS SAFE

1) Asked whether the Prime Minister is relaxed about eating GM food, his official spokesman said: "As the Prime Minister was saying last week, it's time to have a good look again at the issue of GM food. In this area, all decisions, rightly, will be taken in line with the latest independent scientific advice."

2) Asked whether the Prime Minister would serve it to his family, he said: "I know why the questions are asked this way. In this area, I've been very clear all decisions around that type of issue will be based on the latest independent scientific advice."

3) Asked why Downing Street will not tell us whether the Prime Minister would he eat GM food, he said: "The wider issue is around ensuring food safety. It's absolutely right every shopper, whoever, they are, can have confidence. That is why decisions in this area are based on the very latest scientific advice, so that every every shopper can have confidence."

4) Asked whether the Prime Minister shares the confidence of Owen Paterson this is safe to eat, he said: "We have very clear processes based on science to make sure food is safe. On the issue of GM food, the Prime Minister very clearly says it is important to look again and GM offers real opportunities."

5) Asked whether it fair to say the PM hasnt made up his mind about whether he would eat GM food, he said: "The point around is this that... there are clear regulatory structures so consumers whoever they are can have confidence in what they buy. The issue is around how we can open up the discussion around the potential benefits of GM to ensure the EU is not left behind in this area. As I say, it's very clear safeguarding health is always the top priority in these types of decisions and that's why they are always based on the latest scientific advice.

6) Asked why he will not reveal the Prime Minister's view on the safety of GM food when Owen Paterson says it is fine, he said: "I'm making the point that applications for trials with regard to GM food are rightly made on a case by case basis and should continue to be made in the future in line with the latest scientific and independent advice. The Secretary of State is saying there is no credible basis for the argument that is sometimes made that GM crops are inherently unsafe. But it's right to keep reassuring people, actually, that the decisions will continue to be made on the best scientific evidence."

7) Asked why the Prime Minister won't tell us if he eats it himself, he said: "Rather than going into the PM's shopping basket I've made the point that shoppers, whoever they are, can have confidence in the food that is on sale because we have these stringent regulatory structures."

8) Asked why the Prime Minister won't be absolutely unequivocal that GM food is safe, he said: "I've said the Government's view is that there's no credible basis for an argument that GM crops are inherently unsafe. It is also right that we look at GM products on a case by case basis."

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Britain faces a wave of deadly new animal and plant diseases that threaten to wipe out crops and livestock as a direct result of global warming, the World Bank's top agricultural expert has warned
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Bill Gates donates £6.4m grant to British scientists for GM  crops in one of the largest single investments to project
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

CIMMYT: Bill Gates Invests $25 Million In Controversial GM Crop Center
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Bill Gates Dodges Questions on Why He Owns 500,000 Shares of Monsanto
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Monsanto was one of the principal companies to supply Agent Orange to the U.S. government during the Vietnam War. Agent Orange is a defoliant that was used in Vietnam between 1962 and 1971 to "clear vegetation around military bases and obliterate hiding places and rice paddies used by the Viet Cong."[12] It is made from two herbicide compounds, 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T, and releases dioxin as a byproduct of the manufacturing process that becomes contained within 2,4,5-T (and in some instances in 2,4-D).[12] Dioxin is highly carcinogenic and one of the most dangerous chemicals known to man.[12]
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...Its called Agenda 21...and its coming very quickly now
What total and utter waffle the PM's 'spokesperson' came out with. Reminds me of when Tony Bliar refused to confirm if he'd had his son given the triple MMR jab.....

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Re: 9/ll conspiracy theories: How they've evolved

Post by jd on 27.06.13 11:41

Must see video...Don't question the government with what they tell you, believe everything they ever say, and the MSM, and be quiet!!! (in the land of the free!)

"Take Your Calls Somewhere Else" (Legislators,Pundits & 9/11 Controlled Demolition Questions)

Federal legislators and pundits are asked questions about 9/11 controlled demolition evidence on C-SPAN's program "Washington Journal", concluding with host Steve Scully telling a caller to take 9/11 questions to another network.

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Post by tigger on 27.06.13 12:15

Hmm. So you can phone in, but you'll get no answers, except the official one from surprise, surprise - a woman who's on the board of Homeland Security - Nice name, well done! Feel a lot better about that pesky bomb in Boston now.

One of the answers was "I don't believe that it (was a conspiracy)'  I'm sure he speaks the truth, he doesn't need to believe it, no doubt he knows it was a conspiracy.

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Post by jd on 27.06.13 12:21

If there was nothing to hide, and was an honest government & the 'good guys' that they tell us they are....then they would all be answering the questions and be looking into the thermite and Building 7 etc. It would be open and transparent. They would release one of the 60 video footages they confiscated and show us all one that proves a plane did hit the Pentagon

This video really just proves their coverup and that it was an inside job....no question

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