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Post by BlueBag on 28.05.20 9:04

They are not going to let us leave.

There will be an extension.

All bets are off for the New World Normal.

We haven't seen the real economic effects kick in yet... wait until those on furlough find out they no longer have a job and they will be on benefits instead (and wait 6 weeks for that).
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Post by Verdi on 03.06.20 12:29

Oh dear..

Boris Johnson says 3m people in Hong Kong will get path to British citizenship


PM offered to make what he says would be one of the "biggest changes" in the history of the British visa system

By Telegraph Reporters 3 June 2020 • 1:06am

Boris Johnson is ready to open the door to nearly three million Hong Kong citizens if China imposes a new security law that critics say would rob the territory of its autonomy.

The Prime Minister, writing in The Times, has offered to make what he says would be one of the "biggest changes" in the history of the British visa system to allow 2.85 million Hong Kong citizens the chance of fully-fledged citizenship.

The move, which represents a dramatic escalation in the stand-off between the UK and China, would put Hongkongers "on the route to citizenship", said the Conservative Party leader.

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I don't think he's really thought this through - does he ever? Or is he following the advice of Wild Willy Cummings again ....

Just when talk of immigration control is underway, let's open the doors and accommodate half the population of Asia.

I demand a referendum!

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Post by Verdi on 03.06.20 12:57

We should greet Hongkongers with open arms

Britain became a better, wealthier place with the arrival of east African Asians and the same can happen again today


Roger Boyes
Tuesday June 02 2020, 5.00pm BST, The Times

he last act of British decolonisation was a lachrymose affair. The Royal Marines band played the hymn “The day thou gavest, Lord, is ended” and the heartache song Goodnight, Irene; it was raining, it was the twilight of empire. The handover of Hong Kong in 1997 to communist China still hurts our pride.

For Beijing, of course, it was a profoundly symbolic moment, the beginning of the end of what it saw as a century of humiliation at the hands of the West. In its rush to restore a new sense of nationhood, it promised some limited democracy for Hong Kong. These were promises Beijing never intended to keep.

Now Hongkongers are caught between the demands of an impatient authoritarian regime and a West that doesn’t quite have the guts to stand up for bludgeoned democrats on the other side of the world. The protest movement knows its time is up. The uprising which stuttered on through the umbrella protests of 2014 to the bloody scenes last year was a self-limiting revolution.

Most democracy activists understood that outright independence would never be allowed by Beijing. Rather, they pinned their hopes on preserving a high degree of political autonomy embodied in the regime’s “one country, two systems” doctrine, by building up their position in Hong Kong legislative council elections this September and so emphatically anchoring their special position by 2047, when China is due formally to take over the reins.

These hopes have been dashed. The Chinese government’s plan to impose new, tough security laws on Hong Kong has denied the opposition its last practical line of resistance: engaging local labour unions to pile pressure on the city’s administration and on pro-Beijing bankers. The unionists look set to be locked up, along with the activists, teachers and students who are still willing to brave the newly reinforced police units.

The leaders of the uprising face a choice: to go underground or to emigrate. In Cold War eastern Europe resistance to communism was founded on both elements, on small illegal groups of dissidents supported by exiles abroad. But surveillance has become far more sophisticated and the struggle will be a long one.

How, out of these opposition dilemmas, does Britain shape a moral position on Hong Kong? Opening a path to British citizenship surely matches our historic responsibilities to the territory, demonstrates to Beijing that we won’t just blow soap bubbles when it tramples on international law (in this case the 1984 Sino-British Joint Declaration which guaranteed some autonomy) and will protect Hongkongers in a way that we presently cannot.

The terms were set out very clearly yesterday by Dominic Raab: Britain wants a working relationship with China but that has to be based on respect for bilateral agreements. China seems to believe that the end of a century of humiliation gives it the right to humiliate others: the British government, the broader international consensus, the puppet show of the Hong Kong legislature and, most of all, ordinary Hongkongers who are being cowed into submission.

So let the Hongkongers come here. Mr Raab’s suggestions have the merit of simplicity. About 350,000 Hongkongers who were given British National (Overseas) passports can currently come to Britain on a six-month visa. This could be extended — if China implements its new national security law on Hong Kong territory — to 12 months, be renewable and allow the BNO holders to apply for work or study. The offer seems also to apply to a further 2.6 million people who have held a BNO passport in the past. That’s not only the right thing to do. It’s also a piece of enlightened self-interest.

Those in Britain who argue that the country will be overwhelmed need to look at how we took in more than 30,000 Asians when crudely populist east African regimes kicked them out. Indians were seen by the British empire as a way of making the African colonies function. They prospered, and faced the wrath of the likes of Idi Amin, who in the 1970s gave them 90 days to leave, with no more than $50 in their pockets. Credit Edward Heath with this: by welcoming Asians from Uganda, Kenya and Tanzania he helped to change the face of Britain, and not just by saving the corner shop.

The migrants gingered up a sluggish society, made fortunes in the Midlands and the big cities and enriched the country. Today, many of the country’s most profitable pharmaceutical companies are owned by the sons and daughters of those who came in the east African exodus. The parents of Rishi Sunak, the chancellor, came from Kenya in the 1960s. His father was a GP, his mother a pharmacist. The family of Priti Patel, the home secretary, ran a shop in Kampala before they headed for Britain. Mahmud Kamani, billionaire founder of fashion retailer Boohoo, came to Britain from Kenya as a child.

The Hongkongers who arrived in Britain in the 1990s, fearing the worst from the handover, have flourished here. Some have gone into London’s Chinatown, others have become chefs. For the most part they have integrated well into local business communities, and are prospering. They are not afraid to invest and take risks. Above all, they are a huge source of knowledge and expertise on the mainland Chinese market: what sells there, how Britain can snatch opportunities. That’s what we need after Brexit.

There’s every reason to believe that the new intake will turn into the modern equivalent of the 17th-century Huguenots who transformed Spitalfields and Wandsworth. No one yet knows how many will actually come to Britain. Canada and Australia have been open-armed towards Hongkongers; Taiwan is likely to take in many thousands.

We should be competing hard for the incredibly gifted tech whizz-kids of Hong Kong. That’s smart diplomacy: if the big banks follow the young brains and flee Hong Kong, then maybe Beijing will buckle. But it’s also the kind of thing that a new, open Britain should be doing: recognising responsibilities abroad and expanding the pool of talent at home.

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Post by Jill Havern on 03.06.20 22:07

Gawd, look at these bloody riots in London over something that happened in the USA.

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Post by Jill Havern on 03.06.20 22:22

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Post by CaKeLoveR on 03.06.20 22:55

The BLM thugs tell the police to kneel, and the police oblige. Words fail me.
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Post by BlueBag on 04.06.20 7:16

Britain has loads of room for 3 million Hong Kongers (whatever they are called).

Loads - the Council here are building stacks of houses here on green belt land as are most councils.

Come on in and complete the wrecking of everything.
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Post by Verdi on 05.06.20 1:04



Nature controls the population of all living organisms - including human beings.  Keeping living organisms alive against all odds only creates an over populated world.

Bill Gates is a megalomaniac.  Treat him accordingly.

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Post by Jill Havern on 09.06.20 12:56

Fury as Met police chief Lord Hogan-Howe who oversaw bungled 'Nick' inquiry into VIP paedophile ring is handed Government job advising ministers and civil servants about Brexit and coronavirus

Bernard Hogan-Howe, who was commissioner of the London force between 2011 and 2017, has been appointed to a Cabinet Office committee to give advice on Brexit and the coronavirus pandemic.

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Post by BlueBag on 09.06.20 14:43

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Fury as Met police chief Lord Hogan-Howe who oversaw bungled 'Nick' inquiry into VIP paedophile ring is handed Government job advising ministers and civil servants about Brexit and coronavirus

Bernard Hogan-Howe, who was commissioner of the London force between 2011 and 2017, has been appointed to a Cabinet Office committee to give advice on Brexit and the coronavirus pandemic.

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How is he an expert on coronavirus or Brexit?

Ridiculous.

DM is allowing comments. He's not popular.
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Post by JimbobJones on 09.06.20 15:10

Idiocracy. Get the least suitable people to do jobs they are not qualified for as rewards for services rendered. Another day another ridiculous appointment in the fantasy realm of Londonistan.
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Post by Verdi on 10.06.20 13:36

Why Dame Cressida Dick must fall

The one thing both Government and police fear more than civil unrest is an accusation of racism

Allison Pearson
9 June 2020 • 7:00pm

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The Metropolitan Police superintendent Dame Cressida Dick: watching 'frightened coppers running away from gleeful [Black Lives Matter] demonstrators was scarcely believable', says Allison Pearson

ere’s a puzzle for you. How can police caution two grandparents and tell them to leave their son’s garden because they have exceeded the permitted gathering of six people when over 15,000 protesters were allowed to pack Hyde Park in response to the brutal death of George Floyd in the United States?

How is it that grief-stricken relatives are not allowed to attend the funeral of a beloved uncle because it is against the law, but furious youngsters get a free pass as they deface the statue of Winston “is a racist” Churchill?

How does Housing Minister Robert Jenrick keep a straight face when he says reopening churches will have to wait because the “exhalation’ during the singing of hymns is a problem? And I suppose, Mr Jenrick, that scores of protesters pursuing Met officers, as they beat a frantic retreat down Whitehall, don’t present an exhalation problem with their foul, four-lettered, airborne oaths?

Donnez-moi un break!, as the old Boris was wont to exclaim. In the Orwellian lockdown we now inhabit, “Holy, Holy, Holy (Lord God Almighty)”, which congregations should have been singing at full throttle on Trinity Sunday, is banned because it allegedly presents a danger to public health. Yet, on that same Sunday, there was no limitation on gleeful, expectorated cries of “F--- the police!”

Churches, it turns out, are in the bottom category of “the most dangerous and least important services” along with beauty salons and pubs. (Funny, they would be in my top 3 most important.) Even though C of E services are so sparsely attended that social distancing is a poignant fact of Anglican life. Meanwhile, if you fancy assembling a throng to hurl bottles into Downing Street or push a bicycle into a horse – please step this way!

That, ladies and gentlemen, was the deeply troubling double-standard in law enforcement which we witnessed over the weekend. As it happens, I admire many of the young people who took to the streets to show solidarity with their black friends and neighbours. The young, not being calloused by cynicism, feel injustice keenly and, if you think racial injustice no longer exists in this country, well, that’s because you’re in the wrong (or right) colour skin.

I also think the statue of the slave trader Edward Colston should have been taken down years ago and put in a museum where it belongs. Colston transported 100,000 men, women and children from Africa to America and mislaid 20,000 on the way. No one should have to look up to that.

But none of this means it’s OK for the police to turn a blind eye to criminal damage. Superintendent Andy Bennett of Avon and Somerset Police explained that arresting protestors, as they grappled with Colston’s statue, “would have caused more disorder and disruption”. He understood “the frustration and anger many Bristolians have felt towards the statue over the years”.

It may come as a surprise to Supt Bennett, but the police are not paid to moralize or empathize, they’re supposed to enforce the law. A fear that you may provoke protesters further if you attempt to restrain them is not enlightened law enforcement, it’s a green light for anarchy.

Things were no better in London where we saw a collapse in Metropolitan policing standards. “Officers displayed extreme patience and professionalism throughout a long and difficult day,” said Commissioner Cressida Dick following scarcely believable scenes of frightened coppers running away from gleeful demonstrators.

Coppers I saw in the melee who looked more like traffic wardens than riot police. Dame Cressida seemed to neither allow her officers to defend themselves or provide enough PPE to guarantee their safety. Thirty-five suffered horrible injuries as a result, betrayed by their PC boss.

In the Commons, Priti Patel went some way to restoring public confidence when she vowed to bring violent “thugs” to justice. Still, the suspicion remained that the one thing both Government and police fear more than civil unrest is an accusation of racism. The rules on social distancing apply to everyone, or none at all.

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Post by plebgate on 10.06.20 14:37

Brexit and Coronavirus indeed.   I really am beginning to think this Government have totally lost the plot.

Doing as they like as per.   It always ends with them being kicked out.    Farage has sworn to step in if Brexit doesn't get done.    Take note BO JO.    They got Thatcher out.   Got too big and wouldn't listen.    Your very own will turn if they think they will lose their seats.

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Post by plebgate on 10.06.20 14:44

Terry May reportedly rang up her best friend from Oxford Uni and invited Dick to apply for the job.    Yet again doing as they like and laughing at the rest of us.   How many accomplished Senior Officers would have liked that job.  No point applying once they all knew Dick had been asked to apply.   GB stinks of jobs for the boys, the old boys network (and increasingly) old girls network.

Terry May ha ha ha.   What a joke.  Gave away a majority.  Still can't believe it.


Its the same in a lot of Government/Council run service.   Family and friends given priority over others.   No wonder the country is in such a mess.

TIME FOR CHANGE FOR SURE.

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Post by Verdi on 10.06.20 15:31

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote: GB stinks of jobs for the boys, the old boys network (and increasingly) old girls network.

Sadly that is so true.  Always has been and I doubt will ever change.

On a lesser scale, I recall a top dog who was a black disabled lesbian.  You can imagine who landed the key jobs in the organisation and how swiftly the organisation fell to ruin.

One particular favoured individual given a prime position was a former midwife - the job had nothing to do with midwifery or the health service but she fit the requisite criteria  winkwink . Needless to say, she wasn't up to the job.

Tis true!

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Post by CaKeLoveR on 10.06.20 16:11

I remember your account of the midwife, it made me laugh. Shouldn't have, I know, but I pictured her confusion at her new position.
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote: GB stinks of jobs for the boys, the old boys network (and increasingly) old girls network.

Sadly that is so true.  Always has been and I doubt will ever change.

On a lesser scale, I recall a top dog who was a black disabled lesbian.  You can imagine who landed the key jobs in the organisation and how swiftly the organisation fell to ruin.

One particular favoured individual given a prime position was a former midwife - the job had nothing to do with midwifery or the health service but she fit the requisite criteria  winkwink .  Needless to say, she wasn't up to the job.

Tis true!
I think racism, homophobia, ableism is a bit uglier than nepotism.
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote: GB stinks of jobs for the boys, the old boys network (and increasingly) old girls network.

Sadly that is so true.  Always has been and I doubt will ever change.

On a lesser scale, I recall a top dog who was a black disabled lesbian.  You can imagine who landed the key jobs in the organisation and how swiftly the organisation fell to ruin.

One particular favoured individual given a prime position was a former midwife - the job had nothing to do with midwifery or the health service but she fit the requisite criteria  winkwink .  Needless to say, she wasn't up to the job.

Tis true!
I think racism, homophobia, ableism is a bit uglier than nepotism.
Whilst I tend to agree what is ableism?

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Sadly that is so true.  Always has been and I doubt will ever change.

On a lesser scale, I recall a top dog who was a black disabled lesbian.  You can imagine who landed the key jobs in the organisation and how swiftly the organisation fell to ruin.

One particular favoured individual given a prime position was a former midwife - the job had nothing to do with midwifery or the health service but she fit the requisite criteria  winkwink .  Needless to say, she wasn't up to the job.

Tis true!
I think racism, homophobia, ableism is a bit uglier than nepotism.
Whilst I tend to agree what is ableism?

discrimination in favour of able-bodied people.

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Sadly that is so true.  Always has been and I doubt will ever change.

On a lesser scale, I recall a top dog who was a black disabled lesbian.  You can imagine who landed the key jobs in the organisation and how swiftly the organisation fell to ruin.

One particular favoured individual given a prime position was a former midwife - the job had nothing to do with midwifery or the health service but she fit the requisite criteria  winkwink .  Needless to say, she wasn't up to the job.

Tis true!
I think racism, homophobia, ableism is a bit uglier than nepotism.
Whilst I tend to agree what is ableism?

discrimination in favour of able-bodied people.
I am learning. Will pregnantism be next?

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Sadly that is so true.  Always has been and I doubt will ever change.

On a lesser scale, I recall a top dog who was a black disabled lesbian.  You can imagine who landed the key jobs in the organisation and how swiftly the organisation fell to ruin.

One particular favoured individual given a prime position was a former midwife - the job had nothing to do with midwifery or the health service but she fit the requisite criteria  winkwink .  Needless to say, she wasn't up to the job.

Tis true!
I think racism, homophobia, ableism is a bit uglier than nepotism.
Whilst I tend to agree what is ableism?

discrimination in favour of able-bodied people.
I am learning. Will pregnantism be next?
maybe the word comes from a flawed viewpoint .  it seemed sadly accurate in this context .   hopefully I have missed something
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I think racism, homophobia, ableism is a bit uglier than nepotism.
Whilst I tend to agree what is ableism?

discrimination in favour of able-bodied people.
I am learning. Will pregnantism be next?
maybe the word comes from a flawed viewpoint .  it seemed sadly accurate in this context .   hopefully I have missed something
You only missed my sense of humour. Does that give you funism?

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:I remember your account of the midwife, it made me laugh. Shouldn't have, I know, but I pictured her confusion at her new position.
Well, the crooked director got himself in a sticky wicket or two - maybe she helped him deliver.  big grin

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