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Post by Liz Eagles on 03.02.20 13:04

@PeterMac wrote:Another good reason to 'suspend" is to give the officer a break, away from the media and colleagues all crowding round and asking questions and giving inappropriate advice.

That way they can be debriefed and receive whatever professional support is appropriate
Precisely.

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Post by BlueBag on 03.02.20 13:44

Why was he let out if he needed a surveillance team?
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Post by Liz Eagles on 03.02.20 13:52

@BlueBag wrote:Why was he let out if he needed a surveillance team?
Because everyone is afraid to be labelled racist/islamaphobic and the mass denial by those in charge of our judicial system?

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Post by JimbobJones on 03.02.20 14:01

He was let out so they could have another incident . . . . and how come the 25 man strong surveillance team did not prevent the "incident" from happening? Because that is EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT.

Hmmm, seems a bit odd? . . . No, it seems to me like it all went just the way they wanted it to. So many of these "incidents" come with a back story of surveillance and special branch involvement. I am hearing more people getting savvy about it  recently. The PTB are losing the trust of the gullible.
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Post by PeterMac on 03.02.20 14:20

EDITED TO ADDRESS THE PREVIOUS
He was released because no one has any choice or discretion.
He cannot be arrested or stopped, because he hasn't yet done anything new yet, so all you can do it follow him closely, in the full knowledge that he will do something.
He dived into a shop, nicked the knife, stabbed 2 and was shot dead.  As quick as that.

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Because the provisions of the Criminal Justice Act 2003 apply
The prisoner MUST be released.  There is no discretion involved
It is the result of generations of Prison reformers, do-gooders, Quakers, Liberals, Probation officers, Prison education officers and many more all thinking, and some probably even believing, that people can be turned from their wickedness by outside influences, rather than by coming to a realisation within themselves that what they were doing was wrong.
The latter would be assessed by the Parole Board in those cases involving longer sentences, where the relevant time becomes two thirds of the sentence before release on parole.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/44/contents


Chapter 6 of Part 12 of the Criminal Justice Act 2003 (“the 2003 Act”) is concerned with the release of prisoners on licence. 
Section 244 of the 2003 Act places a duty upon the Secretary of State to release fixed term offenders (that is, those serving standard determinate sentences) on licence once they have served the requisite custodial period. This is known as automatic release. 
Under the provisions of the 2003 Act, all offenders serving standard determinate sentences are automatically released from custody at the half-way point of their sentence and serve the remaining half of the sentence on licence in the community. 



Automatic release from a fixed-term custodial sentence is a long-standing provision. 
It was first introduced in the Criminal Justice Act 1991 (“1991 Act”). 
The 1991 Act created a release framework, under which there was a duty to release short-term prisoners, that is, those sentenced to less than four years, at the half-way point of their custodial sentence. 
Those sentenced to less than 12 months were released unconditionally. 
Those sentenced to 12 months or more were to released on licence and subject to conditions and probation supervision in the community (and liable to recall to prison) until the three-quarter point of their sentence. 




So here the SYSTEM simply chucked him out, even though MI5 and the Police knew he was an extremely serious risk.
exactly the same reason local police are routinely notified of the release of burglars, robbers and rapists, the information is passed to the officer who got them locked up, and the people who collate the information dig out the Modus Operandi involved so they can spot it sooner when it happens again.

In the old days the MO would be published on the Divisional weekly Bulletin.
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Post by JimbobJones on 03.02.20 15:27

Great info  PeterMac.
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Post by PeterMac on 03.02.20 16:28

And of course the reason he was in prison in the first place was for possession of some documents . . .
He hadn't hurt anyone, or even threatened anyone. 
He had tried to persuade his girlfriend to murder her parents because they were Haram, [as we all are, incidentally ] but no one had actually DONE anything.
So in one sense it was a "Thought Crime", which is why so many woolly-minded Liberal-Lefties and Human Rights Lawyers stick up for people like him.
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Post by PeterMac on 03.02.20 16:49

At last on the news they are speaking to people who are openly saying that "DeRadicalisation" may simply not be possible.
Boris said it at the news conference to Beth, and they've just had a series of retired Senior police saying much the same thing.  "Even if you lock them up for 25 years, they will still come out, possibly even more dangerous then they were at the start."

It is fundamentally impossible.
It would involve telling the prisoner that
1. The Q**** is not the word of A**** as revealed to his prophet M******
2. There is no such being as the Archangel G******* to bring the message
3. It follows that everything you have been told is a tissue of lies, invented by men

Who has the authority to say this ?
No Imam or Religious scholar could, whatever his personal beliefs.
To do so, would be to stand accused of Apostasy, for which the penalty is – obviously – death
Even to suggest that the words might be interpreted in another way would lead to an accusation of Heresy, for which the penalty is – obviously – death
No one outside the Faith could do so.   They are by definition unbelievers, In-fidel, and the penalty for that is – obviously - death.

Tricky.

My father was on the Prisons Inspectorate for a time, and knew that the system wrestled with prisoners who  claimed to have "Discovered God / Christ".     They had learned the words to say, and could be very persuasive.
Remember Alex in Clockwork Orange, and you get the idea.

One or two blew it when engaged in longer conversation, coming out with such gems as
"If Jesus died for all our sins, why I am I locked up in here ?"
and my personal favourite
"If we are all made in the image of God, how can anything I do be a sin ?"

Now stick a language and a cultural, and a social class, and a religious barrier in the way, and work out why it doesn't.
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Post by Jill Havern on 03.02.20 18:46

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Post by nomendelta on 03.02.20 19:19

As an admirer of Richard D Hall I am always on the lookout for indications that any of these events are psy-ops or false flags.

This morning a chap was on GMB being interviewed as a witness to the Streatham attack. He was able to help the bleeding of one of the victims because he just happened to be carrying a blanket. Apparently he was on the way to the cinema and always takes a blanket.

On it's own this set my spidey sense tingling but then it turns out he's a stand-up comedian and was also present at the London Bridge attacks...was this just cover in case anyone saw footage of him at both events?
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Post by PeterMac on 04.02.20 16:01

Already the Usual Suspects are collecting together to say they will try to block any legislation aimed at protecting the people of the UK from Terrorists.
Chakrabarti, the woman who couldn't detect anti-semitism in theLabour Party and was rewarded with a peerage for the most blatantly biased and partisan report in history, being one of the leading ones.

It is almost as though they WANT people to be murdered.
But then she was or is the Senior person in Liberty, otherwise the National Council for Civil Liberties, which, so far as I am aware, in its whole history NEVER spoke up for a victim.  Only for the Criminals
Other lawyers for that mob include the egregious Harriet Harman, husband Dromey, and Patricia Hewitt - who is the only one to have apologised for her antics.

Let us hope that Boris has the numbers to force something through, and that the draftsmen can get the wording tight enough to dodge all the challenges.
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Post by PeterMac on 05.02.20 6:28

The Nation is waking up . . .
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/politics/trusting-idiocies-liberal-class-have-set-hate-filled-jihadists/

Something has gone seriously wrong with our sentencing laws if a terrorist who requires constant surveillance is deemed safe enough to walk our streets

Let’s start with a question. If a jihadist is safe enough to be let out of jail, how can he simultaneously be considered dangerous enough to require round-the-clock surveillance?
The simple answer is, he isn’t safe. Not remotely. 
As we saw with awful clarity on Sunday when Sudesh Amman, only ten days after his release, managed to stab two people in Streatham before some of the 20 undercover police who were keeping tabs on him shot him dead.
Make no mistake, counter-terrorism officers were expecting Amman to try and unleash murder and mayhem. Hence the high level of armed surveillance. Thanks to our crazy, Lewis Carroll criminal justice system, those poor officers had no choice but to let a sworn enemy of the British people walk the streets.
Up to a million pounds a year would have been spent watching him 24/7 when a simple cell and a locked door would have sufficed to stop Amman slashing at pedestrians with a 10-inch knife. Imagine the trauma.
Sunday’s attack comes just two months after young prison reformers, Jack Merritt and Saskia Jones, were murdered by Usman Khan, another jihadist whose original sentence of detention for public protection (DPP) was quashed by the Court of Appeal and replaced by an extended sentence, which meant Khan didn’t even have to be assessed by the Parole Board. 

You can date that mortifying (in the most literal sense) error to 2008 when the New Labour government introduced changes, which meant offenders were released automatically halfway through their sentence. At least people thought Usman Khan had been deradicalized.
No one could make that mistake with Sudesh Amman, a vile, unrepentant piece of work who told his girlfriend to behead her parents because they were “kuffar” (unbelievers) and who told prison inmates he wanted to murder an MP. Bit of a giveaway, no?
How can it be that we have arrived at a situation where our country is so enfeebled that it refuses to take all steps necessary to prevent attacks on innocent citizens by hate-filled Islamists?
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Post by PeterMac on 05.02.20 8:17

Interesting that the trade secrets, like the 20/25 man surveillance teams, are coming out now.  The 25 man team includes an office wallah.  The mobile units need 20.
Either way it is £1m per year, per suspect.
A couple of .38 rounds cost 20p.
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Post by JimbobJones on 05.02.20 8:39

@PeterMac wrote:The Nation is waking up . . .
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/politics/trusting-idiocies-liberal-class-have-set-hate-filled-jihadists/

Something has gone seriously wrong with our sentencing laws if a terrorist who requires constant surveillance is deemed safe enough to walk our streets

Let’s start with a question. If a jihadist is safe enough to be let out of jail, how can he simultaneously be considered dangerous enough to require round-the-clock surveillance?
The simple answer is, he isn’t safe. Not remotely. 


You can date that mortifying (in the most literal sense) error to 2008 when the New Labour government introduced changes, which meant offenders were released automatically halfway through their sentence.

See post 129. You have put two and two together and the answer is THIS IS WHAT the POWERS THAT BE WANT. More fear in the public, more need for oppressive policing, more State Control.
 It would be very easy to solve this scenario, but That is NOT what the PTB want.
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Post by BlueBag on 05.02.20 9:04

More hate of Islam and when Israel decide to take the Temple Mount either no one will care or will cheer.

Islam - a useful tool against itself.
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