Richard D. Hall's appeal for new information re Madeleine's Make-Up Photo and the thermometer on the wall

by **Jill Havern** on 30.11.17 3:05

Richard has put out a very significant appeal re Madeleine McCann on his latest show.

It concerns the Make-Up Photo and is therefore right at the heart of our thinking at the moment.

One of his viewers has produced evidence that the black object to the right of Madeleine is a certain kind of thermometer.

The clip is 4 minutes 20 secs long and starts at 1 minute into the video.

by **Jill Havern** on 30.11.17 5:09

https://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/OffersOfProduct/1575557_-aussenthermometer-metall-12-5002-tfa-dostmann.html

https://www.bauhaus.info/wetterstationen/tfa-dostmann-aussenthermometer-/p/20671370

by **Verdi** on 30.11.17 8:20

I remember this subject being extensively discussed on CMoMM in the past. I don't think for a moment it's an external thermometer, looks to me as though someone has been trying hard to find a thermometer that looks a bit like the thing fixed to the wall behind Madeleine's head.

The Dostmann ben thermometer used by Richard D Hall's contact is just one of scores, not the sort I would use externally..

When you look in situ, it's nothing like the illustration used in the video - there is a black version but the design is the same. For donkey's years I've had a bit of a thing about watching the weather, I've never seen an external device like this before. Even if it is a feature on someone's balcony, I seriously doubt it can be considered a regional trend.

I could be wrong but I think this is woofing up the wrong tree.

by BlueBag on 30.11.17 18:29

I actually don't think there is enough in the photo to say it's that thermometer.

Left side could be shadow.

No idea what it is.

by tara on 30.11.17 20:25

I have found a couple of these thermometers advertised on a well known on line market site. One of the thermometers is shown fixed to a red brick wall, which does look like the Madeleine photo one, and I can understand Richard D Hall's query since there appear to be gradations along its side. I certainly think there is a strong possibility that it is a thermometer, and clearly, they can be purchased widely. Maybe tenuous but surely worth closer scrutiny. Every little helps....

by **Jill Havern** on 30.11.17 20:39

Here's one:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/65-cm-Garden-Outdoor-Wall-Thermometer-Plastic-Analog-Garden-Thermometer-I/122641379694?_trkparms=aid%3D555019%26algo%3DPL.BANDIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20170221124951%26meid%3D882ac68d78964b4d896c91dac705e166%26pid%3D100643%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26&_trksid=p2045573.c100643.m3226

by **Verdi** on 30.11.17 23:08

Yes, there are scores of them and Richard D Hall's contact clearly took the trouble to research thermometers, in quest of something that might vaguely look like the thing fixed to the wall behind Madeleine's head. Without something positive to determine whether or not it is a thermometer, the subject remains in limbo..

https://www.thermometerspecialist.co.uk/outdoor-thermometers

Richard D Hall has asked if anyone has any knowledge that might confirm one way or the other. Let's hope there is someone out there who knows but I have my doubts, only because the Madeleine image is not clear enough to be sure - an eye witness is required, preferably with a camera to hand. Get'emGonçalo has suggested on another thread that, being a resident of the area, Sergey Malinka might be in a position to oblige. Good thinking!

by Doug D on 01.12.17 0:16

Verdi:

I don't think for a moment it's an external thermometer, looks to me as though someone has been trying hard to find a thermometer that looks a bit like the thing fixed to the wall behind Madeleine's head.

Bluebag:

I actually don't think there is enough in the photo to say it's that thermometer.

Tara:

Maybe tenuous but surely worth closer scrutiny.

Got to agree with Tara here.

Nobody got anywhere with the location based on light fittings, brackets etc, so this possibility has got to be worth a look and if it sparks a light somewhere so much the better. If not, what has been lost?

I don’t understand Verdi & Bluebag’s seeming opposition to this suggestion.

by JimbobJones on 01.12.17 20:48

@Doug D wrote:

I don’t understand Verdi & Bluebag’s seeming opposition to this suggestion.

Me neither, unless it is sour grapes for not discovering it themselves. Sure looks like a good match to me. In size AND purpose.

by Mrs B on 01.12.17 21:08

@ skyrocket. Not quite sure what I'm looking for with the eyes, but when zoomed in close I did notice a black indent on the neckline, left (her right) which looks a bit odd.

As for the thermometer - could it be a barometer? The two pics are of portugese barometers. Perhaps I'm going OT, sorry if I am!

by polyenne on 01.12.17 22:41

Does anyone know who, if anyone, was staying in the apartment above the Paynes ? I believe it might be 5L

by roz on 01.12.17 23:48

According to the statement from Maria JS da Silva (5A cleaner), only apartments A, B, D, G (Mrs Fenn), H and K (Moyes) were occupied that particular week.

And it looks like (to me) that it could be a thermometer on the wall in the ‘make-up’ photograph.

by BlueBag on 02.12.17 0:01

@JimbobJones wrote:
@Doug D wrote:

I don’t understand Verdi & Bluebag’s seeming opposition to this suggestion.

Me neither, unless it is sour grapes for not discovering it themselves. Sure looks like a good match to me. In size AND purpose.

You don't know me very well.

I'm saying it could be anything, it's pixelated and that the blur to the left could be anything, it looks more like shadow to me than numbers.

Maybe it's a crucifix.

Could be a million things.

"purpose"?

That's circular logic right there.

by **Verdi** on 02.12.17 0:01

So let's cut to the chase. This is a transcript of Richard D Hall's appeal, as per the video posted up thread..

Richard D Hall wrote:I'm appealing today if anyone has knowledge of where these types of thermometer may have been installed. Remember this in 2007 and the likely location is in the algarve, possibly in or near praia da luz. If you can recall seeing this kind of thermometer or that type on that coloured textured background or have photographs, please get in touch.

This could lead to a major breakthrough.

The appeal is perfectly clear.

by Phoebe on 02.12.17 0:18

The first time I ever saw the make-up photo I automatically thought it might have been taken in front of a shed, garage or rough wendy-house, with a sliding door made of chipboard and I assumed that the black object was the bottom part of the metal handle used to slide it open. The black object seems to be embedded at its bottom end. The background on Madeleine's left side is suggestive of the dark interior of some kind of structure and the positioning of the "handle" led me to believe that it might be on a door which had been slid aside to allow entry.

The above is an example of a chipboard panel.

I could be wrong but that was my automatic assumption.

by polyenne on 02.12.17 1:14

Has anyone got a closer view of the Paynes's apartment 5H as per the image here.

On the balcony to the right of the door and above the plastic chair (?) there appears to be what I construed to be one of those folding towel/clothes driers. I assume this as there are two dark lines on the wall. And is that something dark blue propped up against the right hand wall ?

by **Jill Havern** on 02.12.17 1:20

Is this any good?

by **Jill Havern** on 02.12.17 1:32

by polyenne on 02.12.17 1:34

Thank you GEG
So, a clothes drier and a dark blue chair. Back to the drawing board !!

by BlueBag on 02.12.17 2:21

Get'emGonçalo wrote:

That actually doesn't make any sense.

They can't be the same thing.

Where's the rest of the clothes dryer?

by JohnyT on 02.12.17 2:23

@BlueBag wrote:
@JimbobJones wrote:
@Doug D wrote:

I don’t understand Verdi & Bluebag’s seeming opposition to this suggestion.

Me neither, unless it is sour grapes for not discovering it themselves. Sure looks like a good match to me. In size AND purpose.
You don't know me very well.

I'm saying it could be anything, it's pixelated and that the blur to the left could be anything, it looks more like shadow to me than numbers.

Maybe it's a crucifix.

Could be a million things.

"purpose"?

That's circular logic right there.

Well I don't think it can be shadows because there is a similar 'shadow' a little farther up on the right and as we all know...the sun can't create opposite shadows (unless it's on the moon)

by **Verdi** on 02.12.17 2:30

Richard D Hall's appeal is quite specific - no room for ambiguity.

It has been to suggested to him that the fixing on the wall behind Madeleine's head might be a thermometer. He is asking for confirmation by way of evidence from the Praia da Luz locality i.e by an eye witness or photograph someone took around 2007.

by BlueBag on 02.12.17 2:30

The thing on the right should be a spur, it could be a fixing to the wall.

The blur on the left is just that. A blur. Less defined than the central piece and the right piece.

Not enough information in the picture to say it's anything for sure.

".the sun can't create opposite shadows (unless it's on the moon)"

It can't on the moon, but I know you are referring to all those people who don't understand the way cameras work who think the Apollo pictures are fake. It's so boring when you have to keep telling people about parallax... can't be a***d anymore.

Anyway...

by NickE on 02.12.17 2:54

@April28th

Is this the apartment where the Gorrods stayed?

by BlueBag on 02.12.17 2:59

Oh look... not a thermometer.

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